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Re: The Earth's Conscious [Re: LittleDaddy]
    #19254887 - 12/10/13 11:19 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Even more interesting is that almost 100% of life on earth uses the L- isomer of amino acids when the D- isomer is just as available and useful for the same life purpose.

I don't see why the earth would need to create consciousness. Actually, I think it would be much better off without conscious beings.




Maybe I'll get to that in my bio 212 class.

I see what you're saying and this is why I don't agree with the revelation, but I think that we may start benefiting the planet in the future. Things are taking a turn for the better - slowly but surely.





I think you are totally wrong and things are getting really bad due to the sum total human actions.




Not just wrong, but totally wrong.

That's why the US forest size is increasing, carbon emissions are decreasing, and global warming is in headlines everywhere and everyone is at least aware of it. Once we run out of the fossil fuel supplies then it'll force carbon emissions to decrease.





Carbon emissions are decreasing????  World wide?  Hardly. 

Anyway for each one of those paltry little illusions of awakening I'll give dozens of pieces of evidence of man's callous destructiveness. 

People recycle too. And then drive to the corner market to get more things to recycle. :lol:


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Re: The Earth's Conscious [Re: Icelander]
    #19255001 - 12/10/13 11:47 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Carbon emissions are decreasing????  World wide?  Hardly. 

Anyway for each one of those paltry little illusions of awakening I'll give dozens of pieces of evidence of man's callous destructiveness. 

People recycle too. And then drive to the corner market to get more things to recycle. :lol:




In 2009 carbon emissions decreased globally. I can't find any data on more recent years, so I won't be able to argue that.

Things are getting better. I didn't say things are where they're supposed to be.


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Re: The Earth's Conscious [Re: LittleDaddy]
    #19255973 - 12/10/13 03:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I can link you to a different story.
http://news.yahoo.com/global-carbon-emissions-rise-record-2013-report-001008033.html:haha:
Global carbon emissions rise to new record in 2013 - report


LONDON (Reuters) - Global carbon dioxide emissions from burning fossil fuels will rise to a record 36 billion tonnes this year, a report by 49 researchers from 10 countries said, showing the failure of governments to rein in the main greenhouse gas blamed for global warming.

The report by the Global Carbon Project, which compiles data from research institutes worldwide each year, was published in the journal Earth Systems Data Discussions on Tuesday.

Its 2013 estimate represents a 2.1 percent gain versus 2012 and a 61 percent increase since 1990, the baseline year for the U.N.'s Kyoto Protocol, the only global agreement that places binding limits on national CO2 emission levels.

Obviously things are not getting better. :lol:


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Re: The Earth's Conscious [Re: LittleDaddy]
    #19262374 - 12/11/13 07:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

In reply to the original post, this sounds a lot like the theory of the "Noosphere."  Basically it states that all consciousness, from humans, animals, even plants -- that of Earth itself -- is linked into a collective, unified consciousness that underlies or envelops the entire biosphere.  Many mystics and psychonauts have reported tuning into this network, and sensing a unity that exists at a more fundamental level than the everyday, one which comprises all the consciousness of Earth.  For example, you could be at a (good) party and observe that all of the partygoers are behaving according to a rhythm that is somehow common to everyone and is normally beneath the surface.  Everyone is him- or herself, but there is a current guiding everyone's activity, and all are in some kind of active union.  It is very difficult to describe, and hard to see.

But that is what I thought of when I read the post.


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Re: The Earth's Conscious [Re: Icelander]
    #19263257 - 12/11/13 10:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I can link you to a different story.
http://news.yahoo.com/global-carbon-emissions-rise-record-2013-report-001008033.html:haha:
Global carbon emissions rise to new record in 2013 - report


LONDON (Reuters) - Global carbon dioxide emissions from burning fossil fuels will rise to a record 36 billion tonnes this year, a report by 49 researchers from 10 countries said, showing the failure of governments to rein in the main greenhouse gas blamed for global warming.

The report by the Global Carbon Project, which compiles data from research institutes worldwide each year, was published in the journal Earth Systems Data Discussions on Tuesday.

Its 2013 estimate represents a 2.1 percent gain versus 2012 and a 61 percent increase since 1990, the baseline year for the U.N.'s Kyoto Protocol, the only global agreement that places binding limits on national CO2 emission levels.

Obviously things are not getting better. :lol:




Well, I suppose I'm wrong on the carbon emissions aspect and that you've won this argument, but let's let the future play-out and see where it goes.


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Re: The Earth's Conscious [Re: LittleDaddy]
    #19263292 - 12/11/13 10:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

If the planet truly created these complex organisms to 'protect itself', I bet she regrets it now. Fucking we humans are the single most destructive force on the planet!

Either way, while I do believe science can explain most of the biological factors of the planet, the reasons as to why will remain a mystery, but i do believe it is the powerful forces of nature!


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Re: The Earth's Conscious [Re: DirtyTomFlint]
    #19263331 - 12/11/13 10:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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DividedQuantum said:
In reply to the original post, this sounds a lot like the theory of the "Noosphere."  Basically it states that all consciousness, from humans, animals, even plants -- that of Earth itself -- is linked into a collective, unified consciousness that underlies or envelops the entire biosphere.  Many mystics and psychonauts have reported tuning into this network, and sensing a unity that exists at a more fundamental level than the everyday, one which comprises all the consciousness of Earth.  For example, you could be at a (good) party and observe that all of the partygoers are behaving according to a rhythm that is somehow common to everyone and is normally beneath the surface.  Everyone is him- or herself, but there is a current guiding everyone's activity, and all are in some kind of active union.  It is very difficult to describe, and hard to see.

But that is what I thought of when I read the post.





Hmmm. I'm curious. I'll look into that and probably post a thread eventually about some of it. Thank you very much.

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If the planet truly created these complex organisms to 'protect itself', I bet she regrets it now. Fucking we humans are the single most destructive force on the planet!

Either way, while I do believe science can explain most of the biological factors of the planet, the reasons as to why will remain a mystery, but i do believe it is the powerful forces of nature!




Well, when you think about it... are we bad to the planet? Or are we just bad to the environment that thrives on the planet like Icelander has proven?

True, I think many questions will remain unanswered until we come into full contact with our consciousness - whether that be through death or enlightenment.


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Re: The Earth's Conscious [Re: LittleDaddy]
    #19264200 - 12/12/13 03:35 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I can link you to a different story.
http://news.yahoo.com/global-carbon-emissions-rise-record-2013-report-001008033.html:haha:
Global carbon emissions rise to new record in 2013 - report


LONDON (Reuters) - Global carbon dioxide emissions from burning fossil fuels will rise to a record 36 billion tonnes this year, a report by 49 researchers from 10 countries said, showing the failure of governments to rein in the main greenhouse gas blamed for global warming.

The report by the Global Carbon Project, which compiles data from research institutes worldwide each year, was published in the journal Earth Systems Data Discussions on Tuesday.

Its 2013 estimate represents a 2.1 percent gain versus 2012 and a 61 percent increase since 1990, the baseline year for the U.N.'s Kyoto Protocol, the only global agreement that places binding limits on national CO2 emission levels.

Obviously things are not getting better. :lol:




Well, I suppose I'm wrong on the carbon emissions aspect and that you've won this argument, but let's let the future play-out and see where it goes.




I know how that's going to turn out too.  We are both going to be dead. :haha:


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Re: The Earth's Conscious [Re: Icelander]
    #19264599 - 12/12/13 07:38 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

haha. death has always been confirmed anyways.


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Re: The Earth's Conscious [Re: LittleDaddy]
    #19264738 - 12/12/13 08:18 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

thank god


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Re: The Earth's Conscious [Re: Icelander]
    #19265050 - 12/12/13 09:53 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I think its the concept of survival of the fittest, and that life on earth exists because our planet is the most balanced in our solar system, and perhaps galaxy?

You see it everywhere, from nuclear fusion in stars to cellular adaptation.

I don't think we're destroying our planet, it might seem like we are heading that direction but everyone learns from mistakes, to me it seems lke we are still in a learning process finding our ways to generate clean energy, and they've found some pretty groundbreaking methods recently (solar panels, graphene, nuclear fusion, etc)

So as long as we dont end up in a nuclear war i think we have a pretty balanced relationship with earth ahead of us :thumbup:


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Re: The Earth's Conscious [Re: Psychaesthetics]
    #19265107 - 12/12/13 10:09 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

>>So as long as we dont end up in a nuclear war i think we have a pretty balanced relationship with earth ahead of us<<

Right on the money.


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Re: The Earth's Conscious [Re: Psychaesthetics]
    #19265164 - 12/12/13 10:31 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I think its the concept of survival of the fittest, and that life on earth exists because our planet is the most balanced in our solar system, and perhaps galaxy?

You see it everywhere, from nuclear fusion in stars to cellular adaptation.

I don't think we're destroying our planet, it might seem like we are heading that direction but everyone learns from mistakes, to me it seems lke we are still in a learning process finding our ways to generate clean energy, and they've found some pretty groundbreaking methods recently (solar panels, graphene, nuclear fusion, etc)

So as long as we dont end up in a nuclear war i think we have a pretty balanced relationship with earth ahead of us :thumbup:





Based on what evidence?  Our past actions. :lol:  Nuke war is only one possibility and it's not unlikely imo that we could easily include that with others like environmental degradation.


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Re: The Earth's Conscious [Re: Icelander]
    #19265202 - 12/12/13 10:49 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

We can't see the future.

Aside from the power sources you mentioned, wave energy is a possibility in Oregon.


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Re: The Earth's Conscious [Re: Icelander]
    #19265206 - 12/12/13 10:50 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I think its the concept of survival of the fittest, and that life on earth exists because our planet is the most balanced in our solar system, and perhaps galaxy?

You see it everywhere, from nuclear fusion in stars to cellular adaptation.

I don't think we're destroying our planet, it might seem like we are heading that direction but everyone learns from mistakes, to me it seems lke we are still in a learning process finding our ways to generate clean energy, and they've found some pretty groundbreaking methods recently (solar panels, graphene, nuclear fusion, etc)

So as long as we dont end up in a nuclear war i think we have a pretty balanced relationship with earth ahead of us :thumbup:





Based on what evidence?  Our past actions. :lol:  Nuke war is only one possibility and it's not unlikely imo that we could easily include that with others like environmental degradation.




Yes, our past actions.

I can't predict the future but looking at past epochs I think we both have equal reasons for what we think about our future.

We havent only been polluting our planet, like I said we're on the search for alternative energy sources and we've already found pretty decent ones which are becoming more and more common


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Re: The Earth's Conscious [Re: LittleDaddy]
    #19265246 - 12/12/13 11:04 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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We can't see the future.

Aside from the power sources you mentioned, wave energy is a possibility in Oregon.




Interesting, I'm curious as to how effecient this method is in relation to wind energy, it seems to me that the added weight of water would account for a much bigger force than wind would


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Re: The Earth's Conscious [Re: LittleDaddy]
    #19265314 - 12/12/13 11:21 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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We can't see the future.

Aside from the power sources you mentioned, wave energy is a possibility in Oregon.




There are all sorts of "possibilities" and they've been around for awhile.  The reason they are being advanced at a snails pace is that most people don't give a rats ass unless it can come in cheaper than gasoline which it can't.  If we really wanted clean energy we'd have had it long ago. 

But hey when I was a kid I believed in the goodness of mankind myself so I totally understand your position.


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Re: The Earth's Conscious [Re: Icelander]
    #19265320 - 12/12/13 11:23 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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LittleDaddy said:
We can't see the future.

Aside from the power sources you mentioned, wave energy is a possibility in Oregon.




There are all sorts of "possibilities" and they've been around for awhile.  The reason they are being advanced at a snails pace is that most people don't give a rats ass unless it can come in cheaper than gasoline which it can't.  If we really wanted clean energy we'd have had it long ago. 

But hey when I was a kid I believed in the goodness of mankind myself so I totally understand your position.




lol, your pessimism is funny.


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Re: The Earth's Conscious [Re: LittleDaddy]
    #19265623 - 12/12/13 12:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

unlike your optimism :monkeydance:

I would rather call myself skeptical at least much of the time.


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Re: The Earth's Conscious [Re: Icelander]
    #19266063 - 12/12/13 02:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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unlike your optimism :monkeydance:

I would rather call myself skeptical at least much of the time.




Sometimes we can take skepticism too far.


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