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infinite universe theory
    #19265913 - 12/12/13 01:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

So this is just an original thought and example I use to convince peopleo an infinite universe. Some friends will say infinite universe is impossible. It would have to stop somewhere eventually!

I say well that's look at it from the other side. Your picturing zooming out. Till you pass the moon, stars, galaxies, and everything else till you hit an impassible point. Let's flip that and zoom in. If you had a sophisticated microscope with the power of zooming by 10. Like 10x, 100x, 1000x, so on and so forth, at what point (given you had unlimited zoom capability) would you be unable to zoom any further?

A 1 with a million zeros following it, a billion zeros? 9 times out of 10 naturally most people cannot give a plausible answer. Leaves em stumped. Its easier to picture it this way I believe.


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Re: infinite universe theory [Re: highc] * 4
    #19265916 - 12/12/13 01:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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So this is just an original thought



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Re: infinite universe theory [Re: highc]
    #19265921 - 12/12/13 01:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

This theory trumps anything Einstein came up with.


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Re: infinite universe theory [Re: The Phleg]
    #19265924 - 12/12/13 01:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: infinite universe theory [Re: highc]
    #19265925 - 12/12/13 01:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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So this is just an original thought and example I use to convince peopleo an infinite universe. Some friends will say infinite universe is impossible. It would have to stop somewhere eventually!

I say well that's look at it from the other side. Your picturing zooming out. Till you pass the moon, stars, galaxies, and everything else till you hit an impassible point. Let's flip that and zoom in. If you had a sophisticated microscope with the power of zooming by 10. Like 10x, 100x, 1000x, so on and so forth, at what point (given you had unlimited zoom capability) would you be unable to zoom any further?

A 1 with a million zeros following it, a billion zeros? 9 times out of 10 naturally most people cannot give a plausible answer. Leaves em stumped. Its easier to picture it this way I believe.




Your "example" you use to convince people is nothing more than relying on our pre-enforced cognitive heuristics.

Humans can't understand a point where the universe stops because we have never been able to conceptualize a limit where zooming out is impossible. But that's the whole point! We haven't seen it before, but who would expect us to have seen something only found at the most macroscopic level imaginable?


PS - The universe isn't infinite. It's a finite size and expanding every year (Einstein).


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Re: infinite universe theory [Re: The Phleg]
    #19265931 - 12/12/13 01:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Well original as far as I'm individually concerned. Sure someone has tinkered with this possibility before and probably even has a better explaination but it was an original THOUGHT for me.


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Re: infinite universe theory [Re: highc]
    #19265934 - 12/12/13 01:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)


the answer would depend on the shape of the universe. Currently the above pictures represent the most likely shapes (flat being the least likely of the three). If we have a positive curvature then eventually i suppose you would reach back to the same point you started. However in reality this is false because you cannot 'zoom in' past the speed of light. You can only see where light has currently reached


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Re: infinite universe theory [Re: KingKnowledge]
    #19265935 - 12/12/13 01:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Wot bout the multiverse.  :filosoraptor:


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Re: infinite universe theory [Re: highc] * 2
    #19265937 - 12/12/13 01:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Well original as far as I'm individually concerned. Sure someone has tinkered with this possibility before and probably even has a better explaination but it was an original THOUGHT for me.





But you are everything, for everything is one and one is all.

No thought is original once it's been added to our collective conscience.


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Re: infinite universe theory [Re: psyconaught]
    #19265944 - 12/12/13 02:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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the answer would depend on the shape of the universe. Currently the above pictures represent the most likely shapes (flat being the least likely of the three). If we have a positive curvature then eventually i suppose you would reach back to the same point you started. However in reality this is false because you cannot 'zoom in' past the speed of light. You can only see where light has currently reached





I thought curvature is thought to be both positive and negative? Isn't that what allows for black holes and such?

String theory says there are many dimensions though, much more than we could simply categorize with the words "positive, negative, and zero".


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Re: infinite universe theory [Re: KingKnowledge]
    #19265960 - 12/12/13 02:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

All black holes lead to the same singularity. The singularity is the only singularity. It is from which everything else arises from. It falls through all other dimensions and it is the source.


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Re: infinite universe theory [Re: KingKnowledge]
    #19265972 - 12/12/13 02:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

i could be wrong but i do not think there is a definite consensus of the shape of the universe. The higher dimensional shape does not have an impact on what our three dimensional shape is. Also string theory still has a lot of controversy surrounding it about whether or not it is true. The higher dimensions theories are providing an explanation for the universal constants. For instant the strong force or electromagnetism would be by products of us traversing spatial dimensions above our own.


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Re: infinite universe theory [Re: LittleDipster] * 1
    #19265976 - 12/12/13 02:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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All black holes lead to the same singularity. The singularity is the only singularity. It is from which everything else arises from. It falls through all other dimensions and it is the source.



source?


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Re: infinite universe theory [Re: highc]
    #19266019 - 12/12/13 02:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I believe in a universe that is eternal, infinite and ever-changing. And since there are finite ways to put any finite thing together, I believe that, inevitably, everything in this universe is in a cycle of eternal reincarnation in every possible way.

So, you had infinite lives and will have infinite more, and they will consist of every possible life, over and over, forever.

And all these lives, all these things, all there is, it is all one, and this One, that is YOU.

You are everyone, and everything, of all time, forever.

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Re: infinite universe theory [Re: psyconaught] * 1
    #19266024 - 12/12/13 02:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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All black holes lead to the same singularity. The singularity is the only singularity. It is from which everything else arises from. It falls through all other dimensions and it is the source.



source?




LOL you're not gonna get a credible source for that...

Sounds like some http://www.innerworldsmovie.com


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Re: infinite universe theory [Re: highc]
    #19266029 - 12/12/13 02:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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So this is just an original thought and example I use to convince peopleo an infinite universe. Some friends will say infinite universe is impossible. It would have to stop somewhere eventually!

I say well that's look at it from the other side. Your picturing zooming out. Till you pass the moon, stars, galaxies, and everything else till you hit an impassible point. Let's flip that and zoom in. If you had a sophisticated microscope with the power of zooming by 10. Like 10x, 100x, 1000x, so on and so forth, at what point (given you had unlimited zoom capability) would you be unable to zoom any further?

A 1 with a million zeros following it, a billion zeros? 9 times out of 10 naturally most people cannot give a plausible answer. Leaves em stumped. Its easier to picture it this way I believe.




i've always thought..  Lets take a look at that hubble image. the time travel image or whatever.  It looks to us as if those galaxies are on the edge of the universe. now lets take a look on the complete opposite side from that image.  What do you see. more galaxies obviously.  Now lets imagine were on one of those galaxies in the time travel image looking back at our home galaxy.  It would look like our home galaxy is on the edge of the universe now.  But in reality.. theirs more galaxies behind our home galaxy.  This is why i've come to the conclusion that the universe is infinite.

How could it not be?  If you take into account of position (relativity), your body will always be.. "in the center" of the universe so therefore, were ever you go, there will always be an "edge" to the "observable" universe.  That edge will just move according to your position in the universe.


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Re: infinite universe theory [Re: The Phleg]
    #19266037 - 12/12/13 02:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Wot bout the multiverse.  :filosoraptor:




This too.

If our universe is one of many in a multiverse, how far does that extend?

And are there multi-multiverses in a multi-multi-multiverse?


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    #19266040 - 12/12/13 02:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I believe in a universe that is eternal, infinite and ever-changing. And since there are finite ways to put any finite thing together, I believe that, inevitably, everything in this universe is in a cycle of eternal reincarnation in every possible way.

So, you had infinite lives and will have infinite more, and they will consist of every possible life, over and over, forever.

And all these lives, all these things, all there is, it is all one, and this One, that is YOU.

You are everyone, and everything, of all time, forever.

:namaste:




Good lord, that's some serious woo.


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    #19266051 - 12/12/13 02:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

woo?


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Re: infinite universe theory [Re: highc]
    #19266052 - 12/12/13 02:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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So this is just an original thought and example I use to convince peopleo an infinite universe. Some friends will say infinite universe is impossible. It would have to stop somewhere eventually!

I say well that's look at it from the other side. Your picturing zooming out. Till you pass the moon, stars, galaxies, and everything else till you hit an impassible point. Let's flip that and zoom in. If you had a sophisticated microscope with the power of zooming by 10. Like 10x, 100x, 1000x, so on and so forth, at what point (given you had unlimited zoom capability) would you be unable to zoom any further?

A 1 with a million zeros following it, a billion zeros? 9 times out of 10 naturally most people cannot give a plausible answer. Leaves em stumped. Its easier to picture it this way I believe.




The answer is 35 zeros. Specifically, 1.616199(97)×10−35 metres. The Planck length. It is the smallest possible distance.


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