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    #19265913 - 12/12/13 01:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

So this is just an original thought and example I use to convince peopleo an infinite universe. Some friends will say infinite universe is impossible. It would have to stop somewhere eventually!

I say well that's look at it from the other side. Your picturing zooming out. Till you pass the moon, stars, galaxies, and everything else till you hit an impassible point. Let's flip that and zoom in. If you had a sophisticated microscope with the power of zooming by 10. Like 10x, 100x, 1000x, so on and so forth, at what point (given you had unlimited zoom capability) would you be unable to zoom any further?

A 1 with a million zeros following it, a billion zeros? 9 times out of 10 naturally most people cannot give a plausible answer. Leaves em stumped. Its easier to picture it this way I believe.


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Re: infinite universe theory [Re: highc] * 4
    #19265916 - 12/12/13 01:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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So this is just an original thought



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Re: infinite universe theory [Re: highc]
    #19265921 - 12/12/13 01:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

This theory trumps anything Einstein came up with.


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Re: infinite universe theory [Re: The Phleg]
    #19265924 - 12/12/13 01:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: infinite universe theory [Re: highc]
    #19265925 - 12/12/13 01:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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So this is just an original thought and example I use to convince peopleo an infinite universe. Some friends will say infinite universe is impossible. It would have to stop somewhere eventually!

I say well that's look at it from the other side. Your picturing zooming out. Till you pass the moon, stars, galaxies, and everything else till you hit an impassible point. Let's flip that and zoom in. If you had a sophisticated microscope with the power of zooming by 10. Like 10x, 100x, 1000x, so on and so forth, at what point (given you had unlimited zoom capability) would you be unable to zoom any further?

A 1 with a million zeros following it, a billion zeros? 9 times out of 10 naturally most people cannot give a plausible answer. Leaves em stumped. Its easier to picture it this way I believe.




Your "example" you use to convince people is nothing more than relying on our pre-enforced cognitive heuristics.

Humans can't understand a point where the universe stops because we have never been able to conceptualize a limit where zooming out is impossible. But that's the whole point! We haven't seen it before, but who would expect us to have seen something only found at the most macroscopic level imaginable?


PS - The universe isn't infinite. It's a finite size and expanding every year (Einstein).


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Re: infinite universe theory [Re: The Phleg]
    #19265931 - 12/12/13 01:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Well original as far as I'm individually concerned. Sure someone has tinkered with this possibility before and probably even has a better explaination but it was an original THOUGHT for me.


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Re: infinite universe theory [Re: highc]
    #19265934 - 12/12/13 01:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)


the answer would depend on the shape of the universe. Currently the above pictures represent the most likely shapes (flat being the least likely of the three). If we have a positive curvature then eventually i suppose you would reach back to the same point you started. However in reality this is false because you cannot 'zoom in' past the speed of light. You can only see where light has currently reached


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Re: infinite universe theory [Re: KingKnowledge]
    #19265935 - 12/12/13 01:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Wot bout the multiverse.  :filosoraptor:


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    #19265937 - 12/12/13 01:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Well original as far as I'm individually concerned. Sure someone has tinkered with this possibility before and probably even has a better explaination but it was an original THOUGHT for me.





But you are everything, for everything is one and one is all.

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Re: infinite universe theory [Re: psyconaught]
    #19265944 - 12/12/13 02:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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the answer would depend on the shape of the universe. Currently the above pictures represent the most likely shapes (flat being the least likely of the three). If we have a positive curvature then eventually i suppose you would reach back to the same point you started. However in reality this is false because you cannot 'zoom in' past the speed of light. You can only see where light has currently reached





I thought curvature is thought to be both positive and negative? Isn't that what allows for black holes and such?

String theory says there are many dimensions though, much more than we could simply categorize with the words "positive, negative, and zero".


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Re: infinite universe theory [Re: KingKnowledge]
    #19265960 - 12/12/13 02:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

All black holes lead to the same singularity. The singularity is the only singularity. It is from which everything else arises from. It falls through all other dimensions and it is the source.


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Re: infinite universe theory [Re: KingKnowledge]
    #19265972 - 12/12/13 02:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

i could be wrong but i do not think there is a definite consensus of the shape of the universe. The higher dimensional shape does not have an impact on what our three dimensional shape is. Also string theory still has a lot of controversy surrounding it about whether or not it is true. The higher dimensions theories are providing an explanation for the universal constants. For instant the strong force or electromagnetism would be by products of us traversing spatial dimensions above our own.


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Re: infinite universe theory [Re: LittleDipster] * 1
    #19265976 - 12/12/13 02:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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All black holes lead to the same singularity. The singularity is the only singularity. It is from which everything else arises from. It falls through all other dimensions and it is the source.



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    #19266019 - 12/12/13 02:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I believe in a universe that is eternal, infinite and ever-changing. And since there are finite ways to put any finite thing together, I believe that, inevitably, everything in this universe is in a cycle of eternal reincarnation in every possible way.

So, you had infinite lives and will have infinite more, and they will consist of every possible life, over and over, forever.

And all these lives, all these things, all there is, it is all one, and this One, that is YOU.

You are everyone, and everything, of all time, forever.

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    #19266024 - 12/12/13 02:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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All black holes lead to the same singularity. The singularity is the only singularity. It is from which everything else arises from. It falls through all other dimensions and it is the source.



source?




LOL you're not gonna get a credible source for that...

Sounds like some http://www.innerworldsmovie.com


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Re: infinite universe theory [Re: highc]
    #19266029 - 12/12/13 02:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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So this is just an original thought and example I use to convince peopleo an infinite universe. Some friends will say infinite universe is impossible. It would have to stop somewhere eventually!

I say well that's look at it from the other side. Your picturing zooming out. Till you pass the moon, stars, galaxies, and everything else till you hit an impassible point. Let's flip that and zoom in. If you had a sophisticated microscope with the power of zooming by 10. Like 10x, 100x, 1000x, so on and so forth, at what point (given you had unlimited zoom capability) would you be unable to zoom any further?

A 1 with a million zeros following it, a billion zeros? 9 times out of 10 naturally most people cannot give a plausible answer. Leaves em stumped. Its easier to picture it this way I believe.




i've always thought..  Lets take a look at that hubble image. the time travel image or whatever.  It looks to us as if those galaxies are on the edge of the universe. now lets take a look on the complete opposite side from that image.  What do you see. more galaxies obviously.  Now lets imagine were on one of those galaxies in the time travel image looking back at our home galaxy.  It would look like our home galaxy is on the edge of the universe now.  But in reality.. theirs more galaxies behind our home galaxy.  This is why i've come to the conclusion that the universe is infinite.

How could it not be?  If you take into account of position (relativity), your body will always be.. "in the center" of the universe so therefore, were ever you go, there will always be an "edge" to the "observable" universe.  That edge will just move according to your position in the universe.


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    #19266037 - 12/12/13 02:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Wot bout the multiverse.  :filosoraptor:




This too.

If our universe is one of many in a multiverse, how far does that extend?

And are there multi-multiverses in a multi-multi-multiverse?


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    #19266040 - 12/12/13 02:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I believe in a universe that is eternal, infinite and ever-changing. And since there are finite ways to put any finite thing together, I believe that, inevitably, everything in this universe is in a cycle of eternal reincarnation in every possible way.

So, you had infinite lives and will have infinite more, and they will consist of every possible life, over and over, forever.

And all these lives, all these things, all there is, it is all one, and this One, that is YOU.

You are everyone, and everything, of all time, forever.

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Good lord, that's some serious woo.


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    #19266051 - 12/12/13 02:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: infinite universe theory [Re: highc]
    #19266052 - 12/12/13 02:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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So this is just an original thought and example I use to convince peopleo an infinite universe. Some friends will say infinite universe is impossible. It would have to stop somewhere eventually!

I say well that's look at it from the other side. Your picturing zooming out. Till you pass the moon, stars, galaxies, and everything else till you hit an impassible point. Let's flip that and zoom in. If you had a sophisticated microscope with the power of zooming by 10. Like 10x, 100x, 1000x, so on and so forth, at what point (given you had unlimited zoom capability) would you be unable to zoom any further?

A 1 with a million zeros following it, a billion zeros? 9 times out of 10 naturally most people cannot give a plausible answer. Leaves em stumped. Its easier to picture it this way I believe.




The answer is 35 zeros. Specifically, 1.616199(97)×10−35 metres. The Planck length. It is the smallest possible distance.


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Re: infinite universe theory [Re: koods]
    #19266072 - 12/12/13 02:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

The Planck Length is the smallest size that makes sense in our current understanding of the universe. There may be things out there on a still smaller scale, or faster than light.

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    #19266076 - 12/12/13 02:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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So this is just an original thought and example I use to convince peopleo an infinite universe. Some friends will say infinite universe is impossible. It would have to stop somewhere eventually!

I say well that's look at it from the other side. Your picturing zooming out. Till you pass the moon, stars, galaxies, and everything else till you hit an impassible point. Let's flip that and zoom in. If you had a sophisticated microscope with the power of zooming by 10. Like 10x, 100x, 1000x, so on and so forth, at what point (given you had unlimited zoom capability) would you be unable to zoom any further?

A 1 with a million zeros following it, a billion zeros? 9 times out of 10 naturally most people cannot give a plausible answer. Leaves em stumped. Its easier to picture it this way I believe.




i've always thought..  Lets take a look at that hubble image. the time travel image or whatever.  It looks to us as if those galaxies are on the edge of the universe. now lets take a look on the complete opposite side from that image.  What do you see. more galaxies obviously.  Now lets imagine were on one of those galaxies in the time travel image looking back at our home galaxy.  It would look like our home galaxy is on the edge of the universe now.  But in reality.. theirs more galaxies behind our home galaxy.  This is why i've come to the conclusion that the universe is infinite.

How could it not be?  If you take into account of position (relativity), your body will always be.. "in the center" of the universe so therefore, were ever you go, there will always be an "edge" to the "observable" universe.  That edge will just move according to your position in the universe.



this leads credence (imo) to a much larger universe. Not an infinite one. Think of being on a ship at sea. You can only see to the horizon, but is the entire ocean contained within that horizon? Of course not, its simply what we can observe. Now the universe is the same with except in a three dimensional space, where as the ocean example is only two dimensional.


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Re: infinite universe theory [Re: Asante]
    #19266079 - 12/12/13 02:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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woo?




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Woo is a term used among skeptical writers to describe pseudoscientific explanations that have certain common characteristics.
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Woo is sometimes synonymous with bullshit, though there are differences. Bullshit is generally just a lie pulled out of wherever, about whatever. Woo is understood specifically as pseudoscience, uses a science-like formula, and attempts to place itself as scientifically, or at least reasonably, supported.




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Re: infinite universe theory [Re: Asante]
    #19266084 - 12/12/13 02:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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The Planck Length is the smallest size that makes sense in our current understanding of the universe. There may be things out there on a still smaller scale, or faster than light.

Woo?



nothing can travel faster than light. There are loopholes. But nothing can accelerate to the speed of light (let alone faster) besides photons themselves.


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Re: infinite universe theory [Re: koods]
    #19266086 - 12/12/13 02:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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A 1 with a million zeros following it, a billion zeros? 9 times out of 10 naturally most people cannot give a plausible answer. Leaves em stumped. Its easier to picture it this way I believe.









A number with a million zeros = Googol or Googolplex


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Re: infinite universe theory [Re: Asante] * 1
    #19266088 - 12/12/13 02:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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The Planck Length is the smallest size that makes sense in our current understanding of the universe. There may be things out there on a still smaller scale, or faster than light.

Woo?




Yes. That sentence is woo.


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    #19266091 - 12/12/13 02:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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woo?




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Woo is a term used among skeptical writers to describe pseudoscientific explanations that have certain common characteristics.
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Woo is sometimes synonymous with bullshit, though there are differences. Bullshit is generally just a lie pulled out of wherever, about whatever. Woo is understood specifically as pseudoscience, uses a science-like formula, and attempts to place itself as scientifically, or at least reasonably, supported.








Huh...

You learn more jargon every day.


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Re: infinite universe theory [Re: psyconaught]
    #19266107 - 12/12/13 02:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Know what's far away? A star being born, shining all the billions of years of its life, and by sheer distance, only one photon of that star hitting our earth.

Thats far away.


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Re: infinite universe theory [Re: KingKnowledge]
    #19266113 - 12/12/13 02:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Nothing travels faster then light that we are aware of. I bet there are plenty of forces capable of traveling faster. So maybe even so quickly that they are all around us moving so quickly we don't even know something is going By us. I base this off nothing.


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    #19266114 - 12/12/13 02:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I remember a theory that at planck length the fabric of space could be bubbly.
That there are tiny bubbles of energy that could arise into a new universe.
It was something like that.


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    #19266141 - 12/12/13 02:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Nothing travels faster then light that we are aware of. I bet there are plenty of forces capable of traveling faster. So maybe even so quickly that they are all around us moving so quickly we don't even know something is going By us. I base this off nothing.






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Re: infinite universe theory [Re: highc]
    #19266202 - 12/12/13 02:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

"Infinite" is not an attribute that is applicable to the universe.  You need to specify the claim better.


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    #19266209 - 12/12/13 02:52 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I don't see why it's not at worst a possibility.


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Re: infinite universe theory [Re: highc]
    #19266226 - 12/12/13 02:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You will live this life over and over, and you'll never truly know that you're doomed for that.

My reasoning: Time is infinite, the universe is expanding but gravity will make it collapse again, once it collapses the big bang will happen again. Since there is no randomness, the big bang will mimic the previous big bangs perfectly, meaning everything will repeat.

Hence, you're born again as the same person.


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    #19266236 - 12/12/13 02:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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You will live this life over and over, and you'll never truly know that you're doomed for that.

My reasoning: Time is infinite, the universe is expanding but gravity will make it collapse again, once it collapses the big bang will happen again. Since there is no randomness, the big bang will mimic the previous big bangs perfectly, meaning everything will repeat.

Hence, you're born again as the same person.




There is randomness*. And the universe will not collapse upon itself. It is expanding at an accelerating rate.

*The emission of alpha particles from the nuclei in radioactive elements is a completely random event. It has a statistical probability associated with it, but the exact moment it occurs is random.


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Re: infinite universe theory [Re: koods]
    #19266264 - 12/12/13 03:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

But that accelerating rate is likely accelerating at a decreasing rate like the derivative of the "jerk" or impulse is a negative function. I firmly believe that radioactive decay is not random we just don't have the technology to properly map it.


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    #19266286 - 12/12/13 03:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

we live on the back of a turtle shell. i thought this was common knowledge?



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    #19266294 - 12/12/13 03:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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But that accelerating rate is likely accelerating at a decreasing rate like the derivative of the "jerk" or impulse is a negative function. I firmly believe that radioactive decay is not random we just don't have the technology to properly map it.




A negative jerk in the universe size will not cause the universe to collapse.  It would take a negative jerk AND a negative acceleration.

Your claim that radioactive decay is deterministic flys in the face of all experimental evidence and the fundamentals of quantum physics.  Its not a technological limitation.


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    #19266295 - 12/12/13 03:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: infinite universe theory [Re: Salomon]
    #19266528 - 12/12/13 03:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

The universe is constantly expanding, we know this. Given that info, any point in the universe can technically be considered the center. Also, I'm sure we can all agree that all matter is technically connected, I mean the only thing separating everything is it's state of matter, it's molecular make up, and it's atomic structure. But how can we classify dark matter and anti-matter? Dark matter could make up the space in between atoms and lesser molecules but know one knows for sure yet. As for anti-matter, well that's just the polar opposite of matter, positive electrons, negative electrons and so on. Who can say what purpose it serves? Maybe to power black holes due to the amount of energy it releases when exposed to matter? Who can know for sure, we aren't that progressed in science to know for certain just yet.
Regardless, some theories state that leading up to the Big Bang there was a massive clash between anti-matter and the matter that most things are made up of today. Given that, we might assume that either our version of matter reacted more effectively, there was just more of it, or this theory is complete horse shit. Some say nothing can travel faster than light but this seems like a rather arrogant claim to me. After all light is matter and Is held down by all the limitations "regular" matter is. So what else is there? We don't know yet, is that why we assume light is the fastest? Relatively speaking if something has no mass, no density, and no volume, It wouldn't be held to the same limitations as light - something with mass would it? Or maybe there is something we haven't observed yet, outside of matter/dark matter/anti-matter that very well can travel faster than light. Who can really say for sure.

Now as to if the universe is infinite or not, my guess is no. Most theoretical physicists would say the same as most of them believe nothing is perfectly infinite, except for the possible exception of time. But before we can confidently say if something is truly infinite or not, we have to be completely certain we know what exactly it means. Do we? Can we ever know for sure? After all we are just humans, animals that can't possibly precisely imagine how large even our own galaxy is. How can we go on to try to comprehend something as vast and complex as infinity. And I haven't even mentioned the possibility of more than 3 dimensions. That's where it starts to get really fucking confusing, as well as completely unfathomable for our minds to begin to comprehend. Or rather, to the sober mind to comprehend lol. Psychedelics could possibly help us in understanding the unknown. Either that or we just may become diluted and believe we've figured it out when we haven't. After all you must stay humble to truly learn the most.
That's where I'll cut it off. A whole lot of questions and next to no answers... Yet.
Isn't life and space just incredible?


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Re: infinite universe theory [Re: Curt-vs-thepipe] * 1
    #19266561 - 12/12/13 04:05 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Dark matter could make up the space in between atoms and lesser molecules but know one knows for sure yet. As for anti-matter, well that's just the polar opposite of matter, positive electrons, negative electrons and so on. Who can say what purpose it serves? Maybe to power black holes due to the amount of energy it releases when exposed to matter?




Dark matter is not the space in between atoms and lesser molecules. "nothing" does not have mass. Dark matter is simply a place holder term for an unknown gravitational force measured throughout the universe. But it is not the space in between atoms. If dark matter was constant I would agree with your hypothesis. But dark matter comes in clumps etc. We can actually measure the gravitational lensing of dark matter (that is the gravity from dark matter bending light photons). And anti matter does not "power" black holes. Gravity does.


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Re: infinite universe theory [Re: Curt-vs-thepipe]
    #19266574 - 12/12/13 04:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

If you're interested in physics and space I suggest you look up Michio Kaku. Read some of his publications and watch some of his youtube videos, they are truly mind broadening, very interesting, and extremely informative. He's up there with Hawking and Einstein.


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Re: infinite universe theory [Re: psyconaught]
    #19266643 - 12/12/13 04:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Dark matter could make up the space in between atoms and lesser molecules but know one knows for sure yet. As for anti-matter, well that's just the polar opposite of matter, positive electrons, negative electrons and so on. Who can say what purpose it serves? Maybe to power black holes due to the amount of energy it releases when exposed to matter?




Dark matter is not the space in between atoms and lesser molecules. "nothing" does not have mass. Dark matter is simply a place holder term for an unknown gravitational force measured throughout the universe. But it is not the space in between atoms. If dark matter was constant I would agree with your hypothesis. But dark matter comes in clumps etc. We can actually measure the gravitational lensing of dark matter (that is the gravity from dark matter bending light photons). And anti matter does not "power" black holes. Gravity does.



Thanks for the info and for correcting me. Not real sure why I said black holes could be powered by anti-matter as it really has nothing to do with them lol
Also I meant to say 'lesser particles' as in the many particles smaller than atoms, not lesser molecules. Although I assume you realize what I meant.


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Re: infinite universe theory [Re: Curt-vs-thepipe]
    #19266682 - 12/12/13 04:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

If you were to travel in a straight line through space eventually you would end up where you started.-My physics teacher


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Re: infinite universe theory [Re: Magicman69]
    #19266689 - 12/12/13 04:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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If you were to travel in a straight line through space eventually you would end up where you started.-My physics teacher




Questionable.

In 4 dimensions, yes. In 11? Maybe not.


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Re: infinite universe theory [Re: KingKnowledge]
    #19266899 - 12/12/13 05:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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If you were to travel in a straight line through space eventually you would end up where you started.-My physics teacher




Questionable.

In 4 dimensions, yes. In 11? Maybe not.



well since we live in the 3rd dimension (4th if you count time) then i'm assuming that is what he is referring to. The human experience.


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Re: infinite universe theory [Re: psyconaught]
    #19266929 - 12/12/13 05:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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If you were to travel in a straight line through space eventually you would end up where you started.-My physics teacher




Questionable.

In 4 dimensions, yes. In 11? Maybe not.



well since we live in the 3rd dimension (4th if you count time) then i'm assuming that is what he is referring to. The human experience.




But I don't think it would work like that.
If there are more than 3 dimensions (11 is string theory), or if the universe is constantly expanding but finite, you may get to an end somewhere.
Or just keep going to infinity.

Lol who knows, this is above me.


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Re: infinite universe theory [Re: KingKnowledge] * 1
    #19266945 - 12/12/13 05:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

humans will never reach 'the end' unless we somehow harness faster than light travel (wormholes etc). Because the universe is expanding at the speed of light.


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Re: infinite universe theory [Re: Curt-vs-thepipe] * 1
    #19267033 - 12/12/13 06:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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If you're interested in physics and space I suggest you look up Michio Kaku. Read some of his publications and watch some of his youtube videos, they are truly mind broadening, very interesting, and extremely informative. He's up there with Hawking and Einstein.




If you are interested in physics and space I suggest you avoid Michio Kaku.  He bullshits and is shockingly ignorant on a number of topics (his butchering of evolution comes to mind).  He is nowhere close to the greats like Einstein, Feynman, Dirac or even Hawking.  The claim that he is a great like Einstein makes those of us who actually studied physics cringe.  Hes a celebrity, not a great physicist.  For popularizes of physics, I would stick to Neil deGrasse Tyson, he is far better.


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Re: infinite universe theory [Re: DieCommie] * 1
    #19267064 - 12/12/13 06:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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If you're interested in physics and space I suggest you look up Michio Kaku. Read some of his publications and watch some of his youtube videos, they are truly mind broadening, very interesting, and extremely informative. He's up there with Hawking and Einstein.




If you are interested in physics and space I suggest you avoid Michio Kaku.  He bullshits and is shockingly ignorant on a number of topics (his butchering of evolution comes to mind).  He is nowhere close to the greats like Einstein, Feynman, Dirac or even Hawking.  The claim that he is a great like Einstein makes those of us who actually studied physics cringe.  Hes a celebrity, not a great physicist.  For popularizes of physics, I would stick to Neil deGrasse Tyson, he is far better.



for sure stick to Neil deGrasse Tyson. He is not only a brilliant physicist but a fantastic orator and educator as well.


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Re: infinite universe theory [Re: psyconaught]
    #19267110 - 12/12/13 06:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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If you're interested in physics and space I suggest you look up Michio Kaku. Read some of his publications and watch some of his youtube videos, they are truly mind broadening, very interesting, and extremely informative. He's up there with Hawking and Einstein.




If you are interested in physics and space I suggest you avoid Michio Kaku.  He bullshits and is shockingly ignorant on a number of topics (his butchering of evolution comes to mind).  He is nowhere close to the greats like Einstein, Feynman, Dirac or even Hawking.  The claim that he is a great like Einstein makes those of us who actually studied physics cringe.  Hes a celebrity, not a great physicist.  For popularizes of physics, I would stick to Neil deGrasse Tyson, he is far better.



for sure stick to Neil deGrasse Tyson. He is not only a brilliant physicist but a fantastic orator and educator as well.




Ya, those guys are OK, but if I think Sean Carroll does the best lecture.


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Re: infinite universe theory [Re: psyconaught]
    #19267123 - 12/12/13 06:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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If you're interested in physics and space I suggest you look up Michio Kaku. Read some of his publications and watch some of his youtube videos, they are truly mind broadening, very interesting, and extremely informative. He's up there with Hawking and Einstein.




If you are interested in physics and space I suggest you avoid Michio Kaku.  He bullshits and is shockingly ignorant on a number of topics (his butchering of evolution comes to mind).  He is nowhere close to the greats like Einstein, Feynman, Dirac or even Hawking.  The claim that he is a great like Einstein makes those of us who actually studied physics cringe.  Hes a celebrity, not a great physicist.  For popularizes of physics, I would stick to Neil deGrasse Tyson, he is far better.



for sure stick to Neil deGrasse Tyson. He is not only a brilliant physicist but a fantastic orator and educator as well.



Well fuck me sideways then


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    #19267137 - 12/12/13 06:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Curt-vs-thepipe said:
If you're interested in physics and space I suggest you look up Michio Kaku. Read some of his publications and watch some of his youtube videos, they are truly mind broadening, very interesting, and extremely informative. He's up there with Hawking and Einstein.




If you are interested in physics and space I suggest you avoid Michio Kaku.  He bullshits and is shockingly ignorant on a number of topics (his butchering of evolution comes to mind).  He is nowhere close to the greats like Einstein, Feynman, Dirac or even Hawking.  The claim that he is a great like Einstein makes those of us who actually studied physics cringe.  Hes a celebrity, not a great physicist.  For popularizes of physics, I would stick to Neil deGrasse Tyson, he is far better.



for sure stick to Neil deGrasse Tyson. He is not only a brilliant physicist but a fantastic orator and educator as well.




Ya, those guys are OK, but if I think Sean Carroll does the best lecture.




the difference is that Neil Tyson doesn't really lecture. He's the modern day Carl Sagan. Sure there are better professors. But as a public figure putting for the importance of the sciences and inspiring interest in the sciences there is not better than Neil deGrasse Tyson.


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Re: infinite universe theory [Re: Curt-vs-thepipe]
    #19267259 - 12/12/13 06:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Well fuck me sideways then




Heh, I understand.  I read his books when I was a novice too.  And back in the day, he actually did physics and was probably with it.  But of course he did string theory and one wouldn't expect him to be an expert on topics outside his field.  But maybe when you get in front of a camera you start to get full of yourself, you stop publishing and you get old until you arn't quite as with it as you used to be.  "Popular" physics books are usually appreciated by the physics community, but sometimes they just go over the top and you cant help but roll your eyes.  Im sure this happens in all fields.  Its aggravating when some "expert" on TV starts blabbing bullshit about something we know because we know others just eat it up.  I wouldn't be surprised if same thing has happened to you with drugs or shrooms or something else you know about.

My favorite pop-physics book is probably Q.E.D. by Feynman.  I think Hawking's classic is probably the best general pop-physics book out there for a novice.

Of course Sagan is a classic, (if not a bit preachy and long winded.  He reminds me of my dad, which is not a good thing. lol).

Here he describes what was written in perhaps the first pop-science/math book, Flatland


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