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Re: infinite universe theory [Re: koods]
#19266072 - 12/12/13 02:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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The Planck Length is the smallest size that makes sense in our current understanding of the universe. There may be things out there on a still smaller scale, or faster than light.
Woo?
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Re: infinite universe theory [Re: tripp23]
#19266076 - 12/12/13 02:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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highc said: So this is just an original thought and example I use to convince peopleo an infinite universe. Some friends will say infinite universe is impossible. It would have to stop somewhere eventually!
I say well that's look at it from the other side. Your picturing zooming out. Till you pass the moon, stars, galaxies, and everything else till you hit an impassible point. Let's flip that and zoom in. If you had a sophisticated microscope with the power of zooming by 10. Like 10x, 100x, 1000x, so on and so forth, at what point (given you had unlimited zoom capability) would you be unable to zoom any further?
A 1 with a million zeros following it, a billion zeros? 9 times out of 10 naturally most people cannot give a plausible answer. Leaves em stumped. Its easier to picture it this way I believe.
i've always thought.. Lets take a look at that hubble image. the time travel image or whatever. It looks to us as if those galaxies are on the edge of the universe. now lets take a look on the complete opposite side from that image. What do you see. more galaxies obviously. Now lets imagine were on one of those galaxies in the time travel image looking back at our home galaxy. It would look like our home galaxy is on the edge of the universe now. But in reality.. theirs more galaxies behind our home galaxy. This is why i've come to the conclusion that the universe is infinite.
How could it not be? If you take into account of position (relativity), your body will always be.. "in the center" of the universe so therefore, were ever you go, there will always be an "edge" to the "observable" universe. That edge will just move according to your position in the universe.
this leads credence (imo) to a much larger universe. Not an infinite one. Think of being on a ship at sea. You can only see to the horizon, but is the entire ocean contained within that horizon? Of course not, its simply what we can observe. Now the universe is the same with except in a three dimensional space, where as the ocean example is only two dimensional.
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Re: infinite universe theory [Re: Asante]
#19266079 - 12/12/13 02:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Wiccan_Seeker said: woo?
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Woo
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Woo is a term used among skeptical writers to describe pseudoscientific explanations that have certain common characteristics. ... Woo is sometimes synonymous with bullshit, though there are differences. Bullshit is generally just a lie pulled out of wherever, about whatever. Woo is understood specifically as pseudoscience, uses a science-like formula, and attempts to place itself as scientifically, or at least reasonably, supported.
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Re: infinite universe theory [Re: Asante]
#19266084 - 12/12/13 02:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Wiccan_Seeker said: The Planck Length is the smallest size that makes sense in our current understanding of the universe. There may be things out there on a still smaller scale, or faster than light.
Woo?
nothing can travel faster than light. There are loopholes. But nothing can accelerate to the speed of light (let alone faster) besides photons themselves.
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Re: infinite universe theory [Re: koods]
#19266086 - 12/12/13 02:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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A 1 with a million zeros following it, a billion zeros? 9 times out of 10 naturally most people cannot give a plausible answer. Leaves em stumped. Its easier to picture it this way I believe.
A number with a million zeros = Googol or Googolplex
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Re: infinite universe theory [Re: Asante] 1
#19266088 - 12/12/13 02:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Wiccan_Seeker said: The Planck Length is the smallest size that makes sense in our current understanding of the universe. There may be things out there on a still smaller scale, or faster than light.
Woo?
Yes. That sentence is woo.
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Re: infinite universe theory [Re: koods]
#19266091 - 12/12/13 02:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Wiccan_Seeker said: woo?
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Woo
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Woo is a term used among skeptical writers to describe pseudoscientific explanations that have certain common characteristics. ... Woo is sometimes synonymous with bullshit, though there are differences. Bullshit is generally just a lie pulled out of wherever, about whatever. Woo is understood specifically as pseudoscience, uses a science-like formula, and attempts to place itself as scientifically, or at least reasonably, supported.
Huh...
You learn more jargon every day.
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Re: infinite universe theory [Re: psyconaught]
#19266107 - 12/12/13 02:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Know what's far away? A star being born, shining all the billions of years of its life, and by sheer distance, only one photon of that star hitting our earth.
Thats far away.
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Nothing travels faster then light that we are aware of. I bet there are plenty of forces capable of traveling faster. So maybe even so quickly that they are all around us moving so quickly we don't even know something is going By us. I base this off nothing.
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Re: infinite universe theory [Re: Asante]
#19266114 - 12/12/13 02:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I remember a theory that at planck length the fabric of space could be bubbly. That there are tiny bubbles of energy that could arise into a new universe. It was something like that.
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Re: infinite universe theory [Re: highc]
#19266141 - 12/12/13 02:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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highc said: Nothing travels faster then light that we are aware of. I bet there are plenty of forces capable of traveling faster. So maybe even so quickly that they are all around us moving so quickly we don't even know something is going By us. I base this off nothing.
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Re: infinite universe theory [Re: highc]
#19266202 - 12/12/13 02:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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"Infinite" is not an attribute that is applicable to the universe. You need to specify the claim better.
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Re: infinite universe theory [Re: DieCommie]
#19266209 - 12/12/13 02:52 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't see why it's not at worst a possibility.
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Re: infinite universe theory [Re: highc]
#19266226 - 12/12/13 02:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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You will live this life over and over, and you'll never truly know that you're doomed for that.
My reasoning: Time is infinite, the universe is expanding but gravity will make it collapse again, once it collapses the big bang will happen again. Since there is no randomness, the big bang will mimic the previous big bangs perfectly, meaning everything will repeat.
Hence, you're born again as the same person.
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Re: infinite universe theory [Re: ModestMouse] 1
#19266236 - 12/12/13 02:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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ModestMouse said: You will live this life over and over, and you'll never truly know that you're doomed for that.
My reasoning: Time is infinite, the universe is expanding but gravity will make it collapse again, once it collapses the big bang will happen again. Since there is no randomness, the big bang will mimic the previous big bangs perfectly, meaning everything will repeat.
Hence, you're born again as the same person.
There is randomness*. And the universe will not collapse upon itself. It is expanding at an accelerating rate.
*The emission of alpha particles from the nuclei in radioactive elements is a completely random event. It has a statistical probability associated with it, but the exact moment it occurs is random.
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Re: infinite universe theory [Re: koods]
#19266264 - 12/12/13 03:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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But that accelerating rate is likely accelerating at a decreasing rate like the derivative of the "jerk" or impulse is a negative function. I firmly believe that radioactive decay is not random we just don't have the technology to properly map it.
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Re: infinite universe theory [Re: DieCommie]
#19266286 - 12/12/13 03:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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we live on the back of a turtle shell. i thought this was common knowledge?
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Re: infinite universe theory [Re: ModestMouse]
#19266294 - 12/12/13 03:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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ModestMouse said: But that accelerating rate is likely accelerating at a decreasing rate like the derivative of the "jerk" or impulse is a negative function. I firmly believe that radioactive decay is not random we just don't have the technology to properly map it.
A negative jerk in the universe size will not cause the universe to collapse. It would take a negative jerk AND a negative acceleration.
Your claim that radioactive decay is deterministic flys in the face of all experimental evidence and the fundamentals of quantum physics. Its not a technological limitation.
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Re: infinite universe theory [Re: highc]
#19266295 - 12/12/13 03:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: infinite universe theory [Re: Salomon]
#19266528 - 12/12/13 03:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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The universe is constantly expanding, we know this. Given that info, any point in the universe can technically be considered the center. Also, I'm sure we can all agree that all matter is technically connected, I mean the only thing separating everything is it's state of matter, it's molecular make up, and it's atomic structure. But how can we classify dark matter and anti-matter? Dark matter could make up the space in between atoms and lesser molecules but know one knows for sure yet. As for anti-matter, well that's just the polar opposite of matter, positive electrons, negative electrons and so on. Who can say what purpose it serves? Maybe to power black holes due to the amount of energy it releases when exposed to matter? Who can know for sure, we aren't that progressed in science to know for certain just yet. Regardless, some theories state that leading up to the Big Bang there was a massive clash between anti-matter and the matter that most things are made up of today. Given that, we might assume that either our version of matter reacted more effectively, there was just more of it, or this theory is complete horse shit. Some say nothing can travel faster than light but this seems like a rather arrogant claim to me. After all light is matter and Is held down by all the limitations "regular" matter is. So what else is there? We don't know yet, is that why we assume light is the fastest? Relatively speaking if something has no mass, no density, and no volume, It wouldn't be held to the same limitations as light - something with mass would it? Or maybe there is something we haven't observed yet, outside of matter/dark matter/anti-matter that very well can travel faster than light. Who can really say for sure.
Now as to if the universe is infinite or not, my guess is no. Most theoretical physicists would say the same as most of them believe nothing is perfectly infinite, except for the possible exception of time. But before we can confidently say if something is truly infinite or not, we have to be completely certain we know what exactly it means. Do we? Can we ever know for sure? After all we are just humans, animals that can't possibly precisely imagine how large even our own galaxy is. How can we go on to try to comprehend something as vast and complex as infinity. And I haven't even mentioned the possibility of more than 3 dimensions. That's where it starts to get really fucking confusing, as well as completely unfathomable for our minds to begin to comprehend. Or rather, to the sober mind to comprehend lol. Psychedelics could possibly help us in understanding the unknown. Either that or we just may become diluted and believe we've figured it out when we haven't. After all you must stay humble to truly learn the most. That's where I'll cut it off. A whole lot of questions and next to no answers... Yet. Isn't life and space just incredible?
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