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ahhh help!
    #19265194 - 12/12/13 10:44 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

K so two questions:

firstly, if you check the first two photos, you will see a slight greenish/blue discolouration.....this occurred where i broke off two mushrooms.....i am assuming it's just the same thing as when i handle the mushrooms and they turn a little blue.....

Worst case scenario is that it's mold....but i doubt that as i had zero contact with it and was able to just pull the mushrooms out by grabbing the top of the mushroom.....what do you guys think?






This is more concerning:

This is a tub that i asked about people...people said it was normal growth but i don't think so as i don't really see any progression with it, there is seemingly a lot of aborts and no real action....i think the crystal looking stuff in the middle is contam instead of growth....what do you guys think?!?!?!

I'm freaking out a bit about this one.

they are all growing in the 'add water and wait' boxes....which come with a layer of vermiculite......

Thoughts?





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Re: ahhh help! [Re: agreedwitboardrule]
    #19265198 - 12/12/13 10:47 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

yeah its just bruising.... i dont know much about premade kits, so just follow the directions it provides and you should have success.


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Re: ahhh help! [Re: jimmyjame1]
    #19265373 - 12/12/13 11:38 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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yeah its just bruising.... i dont know much about premade kits, so just follow the directions it provides and you should have success.



no follow the directions shroomery provides, those kits give horrible dirrections, open them up and fan/mist a few times a day


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Re: ahhh help! [Re: cronicr]
    #19265561 - 12/12/13 12:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Update:

Here are some photos, two from afar two close up.

There are water droplets on the myclime and also on the vermiculite, there was some small growth before as u can see in the photo....I'm assuming its either contamination (check the grey crystal stuff - which I'm thinking could also be condensation....) or some FAE problem.....

Check it out and let me know if it's ok guys... (I was just fanning like crazy)









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Re: ahhh help! [Re: agreedwitboardrule]
    #19268461 - 12/12/13 10:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Guys? Help?


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Re: ahhh help! [Re: agreedwitboardrule]
    #19268478 - 12/12/13 10:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

looks fine. just normal condensation,


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Re: ahhh help! [Re: jimmyjame1]
    #19268498 - 12/12/13 10:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

OH NO! YOURE GROWING MUSHROOMS!!!!!!!!!!!


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Re: ahhh help! [Re: twistedty]
    #19268592 - 12/12/13 11:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

The pictures just above this post - they are from yesterday, the mushrooms haven't grown or changed in 2 or so days, and the grey stuff looks like cobweb infection :S.

The mushrooms aren't growing....they are aborts.

Do you guys think it's infection?

Do you think that level of condensation means it's got too much liquid in it?


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Re: ahhh help! [Re: agreedwitboardrule]
    #19269175 - 12/13/13 02:33 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

soo.......is it ok?


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Re: ahhh help! [Re: agreedwitboardrule]
    #19269245 - 12/13/13 03:14 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

im guessing that light whispy stuff is cobweb...i do believe that is treatable...correct me if im wrong veterans but a simple h202 solution will get rid of cobweb....im just speculating


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Re: ahhh help! [Re: Clever_You]
    #19269661 - 12/13/13 07:41 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

before you start dumping h202 on your project, let me just say that there is a strong chance that you are just seeing areal mycelium, wait for another opinion i guess before you do anything,.


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Re: ahhh help! [Re: jimmyjame1]
    #19269896 - 12/13/13 09:16 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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jimmyjame1 said:
before you start dumping h202 on your project, let me just say that there is a strong chance that you are just seeing areal mycelium, wait for another opinion i guess before you do anything,.



yea..jimmyjame1 is right.. i would definatly get more opinion on that..i forgot to mention not to take my word/opinion on it


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Re: ahhh help! [Re: Clever_You]
    #19274546 - 12/14/13 12:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

So.......

I upped the FAE, misted like a person with OCD and now we are seeing some growth.....I think it's a mixture of things...but mainly I think it was shitty FAE, with the moisture being a minor thing (as the box the mushrooms are in a bag with water at the bottom....so the humidity is pretty sick.

I was kinda confused though cause i had 3 boxes that were pinning and growing ok......yet same conditions and one wasn't.....

So I will continue the mad fanning and hopefully the gods of the shroom will bless me with continuing growth.


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Re: ahhh help! [Re: agreedwitboardrule]
    #19274566 - 12/14/13 12:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I think it was shitty FAE, with the moisture being a minor thing (as the box the mushrooms are in a bag with water at the bottom....so the humidity is pretty sick.



Not sure what you mean by "sick", but water in the bottom of a container does not provide good humidity.....you need constant evaporation for high humidity.

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So I will continue the mad fanning and hopefully the gods of the shroom will bless me with continuing growth.



You should only have to fan after misting.....other than that they should be getting constant FAE.


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Re: ahhh help! [Re: PussyFart]
    #19274802 - 12/14/13 01:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Notahacker420 said:
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agreedwitboardrule said:
I think it was shitty FAE, with the moisture being a minor thing (as the box the mushrooms are in a bag with water at the bottom....so the humidity is pretty sick.



Not sure what you mean by "sick", but water in the bottom of a container does not provide good humidity.....you need constant evaporation for high humidity.

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agreedwitboardrule said:
So I will continue the mad fanning and hopefully the gods of the shroom will bless me with continuing growth.



You should only have to fan after misting.....other than that they should be getting constant FAE.





By sick I mean 'awesome'......

I have two boxes inside each other with a layer of water in between and an aquarium heater in the middle which heats the water to between 22 and 24 degrees depending on lights ect ect.

Then the mushrooms themselves are in a plastic container sitting inside a bag that is paper clipped closed (they were the 'buy and it will grow' easy to do set up bags) with water around the plastic container.....there is always droplets of water on the sides of the bag due to the heat, PLUS i am misting now twice a day (and will see how this goes...if it gets too wet..then i will back off).

I don't have great FAE because I am keeping them inside the bags...


I have to do this for the following reasons:


1. Currently they're in a room that doesn't get much airflow but is convenient to maintaining regular temperature.

2. The only other room is one that has an air conditioner that is running pretty constantly as its winter here in China...and i dread to think the contamination that would be pushing around....

3. I'm in China - the air here is amazingly terrible....it's a real mother fucker to try and keep stuff sterile here (it's an unbelievably dirty place)....

So i'm sticking them in the bags and will just fan like a madman for the first flush or two, after that I can afford to lose them if it happens as I can restock.....


So my plan is this:


On the Chinese internets, I can buy bags that the substances the mushrooms consume (not sure if it's WBS or what exactly) and then probably vermiculite them myself or i think just use the bags.....by getting a spore syringe and adding the spores in myself.

The bags are 1.25kgs and cost about $1.5USD.

I can make a spore print/collect spores from my currently growing mushrooms and reuse those to grow more with these bags I can order off the Chinese internets.....

So my next grow I'm gonna try to be more 'legit' rather than just buying the ready to go bag....

Buying the stuff from the Chinese internet will be good cause it's cheap/should be decent to use and will give me lots of easy opportunities to grow more!


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Re: ahhh help! [Re: agreedwitboardrule]
    #19274882 - 12/14/13 02:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Never heat the fruiting chamber, heat the room.

The heat will turn the moisture into condensation....which is not good.

Temperature fluctuations are ok for fruiting, you need tons of FAE....you are depriving them.

Fruiting is not a sterile process....it is done in open air....fully colonized cakes/substrates are contam resistant.

If you can breathe the air and survive, so can they.

Fanning is NOT a replacement for FAE....you would have to fan many times per hour.

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Re: ahhh help! [Re: PussyFart]
    #19278172 - 12/15/13 08:20 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Notahacker420 said:
Never heat the fruiting chamber, heat the room.
The heat will turn the moisture into condensation....which is not good.
Temperature fluctuations are ok for fruiting, you need tons of FAE....you are depriving them.
Fruiting is not a sterile process....it is done in open air....fully colonized cakes/substrates are contam resistant.
If you can breathe the air and survive, so can they.
Fanning is NOT a replacement for FAE....you would have to fan many times per hour.
Good luck to ya.





Thanks so much for replying, really appreciate teh info!

Question:

Why is condensation a bad thing?

So....I should open all the bags?

Keeping it in a room with an large heater/AC blowing potentially dirty air around..(china is very contaminated)

I can see from the symptoms the mushrooms have that the FAE sucks.....(fuzzyness around base of mushrooms, longer stems) The mushrooms are pretty awesome in terms of cap size though....i have one mushroom that is huge, like the size of a coke bottle, i will post it.

Thanks for the help, looking forward to your advice.


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