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Valyr
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Re: Does cracked corn in WBS really cause the stickiness? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#19264020 - 12/12/13 01:39 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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As far as ive read it also helps with hydration of the grains to bring to a simmer.
I too use the wbs with cracked corn cause I cant find any whole kernel where I live. The stickiness I think is from the extra starch released during the soak and especially simmer from the cracked corn. Thats why I dont boil mine at all. I bring it to the point where it starts to simmer and immediately drain to a collander for steam drying. Found that it lessens the "stickiness" that way.
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Re: Does cracked corn in WBS really cause the stickiness? [Re: Valyr]
#19264030 - 12/12/13 01:40 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Valyr said: As far as ive read it also helps with hydration of the grains to bring to a simmer.
I too use the wbs with cracked corn cause I cant find any whole kernel where I live. The stickiness I think is from the extra starch released during the soak and especially simmer from the cracked corn. Thats why I dont boil mine at all. I bring it to the point where it starts to simmer and immediately drain to a collander for steam drying. Found that it lessens the "stickiness" that way.
yes just get it to a hot enough temp so it will steam dry.
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Re: Does cracked corn in WBS really cause the stickiness? [Re: Valyr]
#19264211 - 12/12/13 03:45 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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not sure if anyone agrees with me on this one but i rinse with cool water and the so called stick is gone. plus your grain cools down and you can jar it up and pressure cook faster.
i don't see the problem with doing it. you boil/simmer them in tap water so whats wrong with cooling them down and rinsing the starch off with cool tap water?
your going to pressure cook your jars anyway and kill any pathogens. when i first started i tried going the steam dry rout and the sticky starch mucked up my jars and most went bad/sour.
not sure about Rye grain though (RR's version of steam dry). haven't had a chance to use it.
everyone has there own way of preparing there substrate. your going to figure out what is best for you.
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Re: Does cracked corn in WBS really cause the stickiness? [Re: R0ughHab1tz]
#19264215 - 12/12/13 03:47 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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djbluephoenix said: not sure if anyone agrees with me on this one but i rinse with cool water and the so called stick is gone. plus your grain cools down and you can jar it up and pressure cook faster.
i don't see the problem with doing it. you boil/simmer them in tap water so whats wrong with cooling them down and rinsing the starch off with cool tap water?
your going to pressure cook your jars anyway and kill any pathogens. when i first started i tried going the steam dry rout and the sticky starch mucked up my jars and most went bad/sour.
not sure about Rye grain though (RR's version of steam dry). haven't had a chance to use it.
everyone has there own way of preparing there substrate. your going to figure out what is best for you.
i tried this and my wbs always got to soggy
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Re: Does cracked corn in WBS really cause the stickiness? [Re: twistedty]
#19264242 - 12/12/13 04:07 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I also rinse my cracked corn WBS after a soak, and I so not simmer or boil because I found that it did make mine too sticky. just 24 hour soak and drain till no drips, then lay out on screen or paper towels with fan blowing over top. one of those small room heaters that blows the heat with a fan works really well for drying grains, and drying shrooms (if u have no dehydrator). Ive since moved to no corn WBS and like it more, but it does require a simmer after the soak i found. Now I'm experimenting with a no soak/no simmer method because I got pressed for time. a little less than 2:1 ratio grain to water in jars (less water, by 20 ml about), PC 70 min then SHAKE LIKE HELL. growth looking good, but only one jar tested so far. so many grain prep teks..just gotta try one that works for you and ur brand of WBS. don't be afraid to bite into each different kind of kernel to see how hydrated it is...I do it anyway, but I'm also a bird brain
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Re: Does cracked corn in WBS really cause the stickiness? [Re: blindingleaf]
#19265161 - 12/12/13 10:30 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah I don't like rinsing after simmer. I want the outside of the seed to be dry
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Re: Does cracked corn in WBS really cause the stickiness? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#19265301 - 12/12/13 11:18 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hey, guys.. I don't mean to invade your thread, but you all seem like grain experts and no one has replied to my thread, and I have the grains soaking right now so I'm in need of an an answer, ASAP: so, I normally purchase the economy bag of wild bird feed at Walmart, but they were out of stock so I purchased ''Hartz Medium Bird Feed'' . It contains: White millet, red millet, sunflower seeds, canary grass seed, cracked corn, oat groats, red mill, ground corn, a few other things.. Will it suffice as a colonitory medium for cubensis?
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Re: Does cracked corn in WBS really cause the stickiness? [Re: Pr0m3theus]
#19265327 - 12/12/13 11:26 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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it will be fine proceed as normal, add gypsum to your soak and for the record the simmer does help with hydration but with wbs it's not a big factor, many people skip the simmer with no issues
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Re: Does cracked corn in WBS really cause the stickiness? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#19265832 - 12/12/13 01:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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rbalzer said: Yeah I don't like rinsing after simmer. I want the outside of the seed to be dry
rinsing after the boil is pointless, you bring to boil to dry it.
im not wasting my time with a hair dryer or space heater to dry it.
Edited by twistedty (12/12/13 01:30 PM)
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Re: Does cracked corn in WBS really cause the stickiness? [Re: twistedty]
#19265929 - 12/12/13 01:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Does cracked corn in WBS really cause the stickiness? [Re: silverstem]
#19266476 - 12/12/13 03:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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i simmer if there is no corn products in it. with corn, I just soak 20-24 hours, air dry while I'm sleeping...if ur not in a mad rush to use, no worries on the blow dryer/whatever else ppl use. the simmer does help to dry while it steams I agree, but IME with cracked corn, it gets sticky icky with a simmer. I like my weed sticky, not my grains, but everyones prep is different, and as long as they work.. 
grains without a soak is like a beat without a snare!
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R0ughHab1tz
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Re: Does cracked corn in WBS really cause the stickiness? [Re: twistedty]
#19267633 - 12/12/13 07:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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twistedty said:
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djbluephoenix said: not sure if anyone agrees with me on this one but i rinse with cool water and the so called stick is gone. plus your grain cools down and you can jar it up and pressure cook faster.
i don't see the problem with doing it. you boil/simmer them in tap water so whats wrong with cooling them down and rinsing the starch off with cool tap water?
your going to pressure cook your jars anyway and kill any pathogens. when i first started i tried going the steam dry rout and the sticky starch mucked up my jars and most went bad/sour.
not sure about Rye grain though (RR's version of steam dry). haven't had a chance to use it.
everyone has there own way of preparing there substrate. your going to figure out what is best for you.
i tried this and my wbs always got to soggy 
that's weird. i have never had any problems with soggy WBS after rinsing.
seems like everyone has there own way of preparation the OP will have to try a bunch of things and get back to us
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Re: Does cracked corn in WBS really cause the stickiness? [Re: R0ughHab1tz]
#19268013 - 12/12/13 08:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I had picked up a bag of wild finch food the other month. Excellent source of millet. However there is hulled sunflower chips as an ingredient. The hot water soak causes them to get like jelly. I found that swirling the water in the bucket and decanting removes almost all of it after about 4 dumps. The removed mass had a consistency of gravy.
Because everyone else has added:
I soak 18-24 hours in hot tap water. I strain for a few hours, then jar it up. So far so good.
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Re: Does cracked corn in WBS really cause the stickiness? [Re: HypnotoadCroaked]
#19276982 - 12/14/13 11:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Good news all. I tried the boiling it for not long at all and I really like how it came out. Didn't even try picking out much of the corn yet.
But yeah, not clumpy at allll. And I put the gypsum in only for the simmer since I forgot it during the soak. Maybe that helped??
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Re: Does cracked corn in WBS really cause the stickiness? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#19277135 - 12/14/13 11:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Dont listen to me When i start on my WBS. im going to rinse it, and sterilize it. No removal of anything whatsoever. maybe staw.
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Re: Does cracked corn in WBS really cause the stickiness? [Re: fractaldill]
#19277162 - 12/15/13 12:00 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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fractaldill said: Dont listen to me When i start on my WBS. im going to rinse it, and sterilize it. No removal of anything whatsoever. maybe staw.
lol, why dude? Why skip so many steps on purpose?
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Re: Does cracked corn in WBS really cause the stickiness? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#19277175 - 12/15/13 12:03 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I personally think it doesn't matter. grain is grain. as long as its sterilized it should be good. im starting the new year off with wbs. im so sick of paying 1$+ a lb. i found wbs at 20$ for 40lbs. so im going to make the most of it...
edit. im going to let it dry off of course
Edited by fractaldill (12/15/13 12:08 AM)
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Re: Does cracked corn in WBS really cause the stickiness? [Re: fractaldill]
#19277225 - 12/15/13 12:14 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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fractaldill said: I personally think it doesn't matter. grain is grain. as long as its sterilized it should be good. im starting the new year off with wbs. im so sick of paying 1$+ a lb. i found wbs at 20$ for 40lbs. so im going to make the most of it...
edit. im going to let it dry off of course
at ace hardware I found 20 pound bags for 8 bucks! I was stoked.
Sometimes theres a tiny amount of weird kitty litter like stuff. But just a tiny amount
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Re: Does cracked corn in WBS really cause the stickiness? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#19277317 - 12/15/13 12:42 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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rbalzer said:
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fractaldill said: I personally think it doesn't matter. grain is grain. as long as its sterilized it should be good. im starting the new year off with wbs. im so sick of paying 1$+ a lb. i found wbs at 20$ for 40lbs. so im going to make the most of it...
edit. im going to let it dry off of course
at ace hardware I found 20 pound bags for 8 bucks! I was stoked.
Sometimes theres a tiny amount of weird kitty litter like stuff. But just a tiny amount 
That kitty litter stuff is calcium phosphate or w/e its called
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Re: Does cracked corn in WBS really cause the stickiness? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#19277320 - 12/15/13 12:42 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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rbalzer said: Good news all. I tried the boiling it for not long at all and I really like how it came out. Didn't even try picking out much of the corn yet.
But yeah, not clumpy at allll. And I put the gypsum in only for the simmer since I forgot it during the soak. Maybe that helped??
Good to hear
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