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Native American Church -- UPDATED: I'm invited to go visit them to get things figured out!!!
#19264935 - 12/12/13 09:16 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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http://www.oklevueha.org/Questions___Answers.html
I stumbled upon this organization when I found a meetup listing for a legal peyote ceremony open to the public in my state.
Native American Church... seems like there's been success around the country not being prosecuted for peyote and even marijuana(!!!) due to membership and involvement in/with this church.
I like drugs, and I am interested in spirituality, but frankly this one places SO much emphasis on the legal protection benefit that despite the neater aspects of their spirituality (I mean, how often do churches unambiguously declare everyone unequivocally equal?), this kind of smells like a ritualized excuse to get high.
What are you guys' thoughts? Anyone here a member?
It seems based on a video in a WAY old TPE thread, though, that many who aren't like us at all (know little about drugs or only have used simple highs like heroin and speed) and who aren't necessarily into their spirituality have had life-changing experiences joining their ceremonies.
UPDATE: Their leader has invited me to go down and visit to get things figured out if I feel so called. I said I was going to fast today and think about it, but it's already become pretty clear in my mind that this would be a BRILLIANT thing and is exactly the right first step now that my path is clear. Their leader has a great philosophy and perspective and it's clear he could really help me figure a lot of shit out. I doubt I'll use peyote any time soon BUT it is blatantly clear that they're the real deal and not an excuse to get high.
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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: st1llnox]
#19264966 - 12/12/13 09:29 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I support them and what they do. I'd love to sit in on a meeting some day. I have friends who have and they had good stories and things to say. I think just as with any group, there are people there who in different levels of understanding about what it's all about. I'm sure there are those who go just to "get high" or whatever. I'm sure there are also those who come from a beautiful tradition that has been handed down to them by their fathers and grandfathers who really view it as a beautiful divine experience.
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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: nicechrisman]
#19264994 - 12/12/13 09:36 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I mean don't get me wrong--I'm all for drugs, period (almost). I do think their spirituality is cool as well as their egalitarianism, but I'd feel betrayed if I got into it and then started realizing that most people are just looking for something to spook a judge with or something.
I might see if my best friend wants to go to one of the Missouri group's entheogen ceremonies sometime though; it'd be a fucking sweet way to experience peyote for the first time.
Their bundles are pretty neat too; I've kept small things of significance or that I felt represented something about me my whole life and it's neat that that's a foundation of their ritual practice.
I'd be lying if I didn't say I wasn't also interested in getting high, but frankly my interest in drugs is largely for thought/mind/spiritual effects rather than physical sensation alone.
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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: nicechrisman]
#19264999 - 12/12/13 09:38 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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They have peyote ceremonies at the school I go to. Always wanted to go to have the traditional experience.
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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: Soluminia]
#19265015 - 12/12/13 09:41 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Soluminia said: They have peyote ceremonies at the school I go to. Always wanted to go to have the traditional experience.
That's pretty freakin' awesome. What's neat is it seems that members of this church can "certify" in the different ceremonies and then put them on for people, who will also be legally protected.
Do you guys think this could be extended to shrooms? Still haven't tried em but still... They even have a procedure for getting different ceremonial things legally "bona fide" to protect you.
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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: Soluminia] 2
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OP we totally believe you are interested in this because of the spirituality aspect 

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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: Everlong]
#19265030 - 12/12/13 09:44 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'd be lying if I didn't say I wasn't also interested in getting high
It's more that I'd hate to be the only one not in on the joke (joke being that this is essentially a Sioux-flavored ACLU-type initiative )
I do drugs anyway--this would just be more homework.
And I read a lot of their pages and from what I gleaned, to protect something trivial like cannabis use you'd have to go through this rather intricate ritual every time you toked.
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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: st1llnox] 1
#19265061 - 12/12/13 09:56 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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The things people will do just to take drugs. Shame, OP! Shame! What would Jesus do? 
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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: st1llnox]
#19265073 - 12/12/13 10:00 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Lullers
Part of me is still saying this is more work to do the same drugs.
And are you then not allowed to like, say, trip balls and play video games?
If someone wanted to, maybe they don't consider the experience sacred after all but I haven't experienced classic psyches yet so I clearly have an incomplete frame of reference.
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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: st1llnox]
#19265165 - 12/12/13 10:31 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't see why you wouldn't be able to use mush in a ceremony, it says a whole range of plants and animals, but you could probably get mush accepted as a sacrament.
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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: K1ngSp4de]
#19265556 - 12/12/13 12:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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K1ngSp4de said: I don't see why you wouldn't be able to use mush in a ceremony, it says a whole range of plants and animals, but you could probably get mush accepted as a sacrament.
I haven't tried it so I don't know if it will be a sacred experience or not. Someone in TPE said it feels ancient though and if that were the case, that's about as religious as it gets with me.
I wouldn't risk mushies in MO I don't think though (as in like participating in advertised ceremonies or whatever) but again, if they're like what some of you've described them as then they might be something I'd like to do in a personally-sacramental way (although I think sacramental might be implying too much; ritual would be a better word).
I do not believe in canned religions but I could see myself incorporating some of their beliefs.
I'm not sure if there'd really be a benefit to joining, legal-wise... wait holy shit I just remembered having a ridiculously religious/spiritual practically full-blown trip smoking weed a couple weeks ago. I think I posted about it on here too...
This looks like it might be a valid way to protect against possession/receipt controlled substance issues. I can't see the legal protection helping the way I smoke most of the time, but I'd be no worse off.
I'm just curious more than anything if any of you guys are members. It was good to hear in a reply that someone's been to a ceremony
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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: st1llnox]
#19265629 - 12/12/13 12:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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There was a similar thread maybe a couple months ago where a couple of people had mentioned that they had been to a few of the ceremonies (may have been another similar church.)
IMO it's kind of bullshit for the government to get in the business of deciding which religious views are legit, but
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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: psi]
#19265655 - 12/12/13 12:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I agree. I mean I think it's great they fought for the protection that they have earned, and they deserve it, but who's to say that any of our beliefs and ceremonies are any less valid.
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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: nicechrisman]
#19265695 - 12/12/13 12:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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nicechrisman said: I agree. I mean I think it's great they fought for the protection that they have earned, and they deserve it, but who's to say that any of our beliefs and ceremonies are any less valid.
I suppose it's a little harder to screw over someone you've robbed blind, deaf, and mute of one of their most sacred things.
The Oklavueha tribe exists for the sole purpose of promoting the use and benefits of spiritual ceremony including peyote, though, according to some court papers I read about their Raging Bear Mooney fellow in Hawaii.
These guys HAVE the protection somehow though; the court papers I read were because 1lb of FedEx-ed weed got confiscated and THE TRIBE SUED THE POLICE TO GET THEIR WEED BACK
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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: st1llnox]
#19265760 - 12/12/13 01:14 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm all for it. There are def people there just to get high. But I mean evenif that the case the experiences they will have will point their believes in a particular direction. Be it a breakthrough type where you understand as far as your concerned, life as it stands and a gods role in it. Or be it a terrifying experience that shuns the undeserving one away in fear of ever returning to experience truly divine states. Even if a majority of people were misusing this as an excuse to trip, it should in no way defer you from attending and pursuing it for your own reasons.
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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: st1llnox]
#19265805 - 12/12/13 01:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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That's really interesting to me because recently Ive been developing what I'm essentially calling a religion, on spirituality and knowledge through higher levels of consciousness. It would base upon what I perceive as being good people and living healthy and free of stress. It would also advocate for our right to mentally invest in whatever we deem comfortable with our psyche. That being said I would only happily advocate entheogens, not phens and such. Not that I would shun people, just not suggest it. Imagine a "church" you could go to weekly to hear stories of the good going on with the world, and way to see the light in the world. I could have bad trip recovery groups, and communal ayahuasca sessions. There could be a real life network of kind generous people there to see us through. Have you ever been tripping out and really needed anyone, or the right person there? Or to talk to? It could be really cool I want to call it the Church of Trip, or maybe the Church of Entheogenic Enlightenment, or some shit. It could be the best thing ive ever done. I'm imagining a mashup religion based off of current popular, respectable belief structures. I hope when I have this fully developed and put out there, I might have some support from the community. I want to start it off places like here maybe, then lead in to my own anonymous site until it catches on, or maybe even the public eye. I'm almost talking about, what we could call, a hippy religion. But more sensible, logical, realistic. Down to earth. I want a real life shroomery i can go to, where all those people believe in being good people and living life to the fullest.
I really think if enough of us banded together, they would have no choice but to listen.
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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: larry.fisherman]
#19265842 - 12/12/13 01:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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i have a native american friend who's uncle does peyote ceremonies they usually dont let white ppl in on it but im on a waiting list to see if i can join in :/ its been about 6 or 7 months and i still haven't got a definite yes but ive been told that i will get to join in as long as i wait and i mean no disrespect
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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: Ultron] 1
#19265865 - 12/12/13 01:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think that's wrong to not let "white people" join. It shouldn't be about that. They should want to spread this knowledge. Maybe even like an interview or something.
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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: highc]
#19266195 - 12/12/13 02:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Wow everyone!!! Thanks so much for your helpful and interesting replies! I appreciate the encouragement, as I was honestly anticipated being made fun of.
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highc said: I'm all for it. There are def people there just to get high. But I mean evenif that the case the experiences they will have will point their believes in a particular direction. Be it a breakthrough type where you understand as far as your concerned, life as it stands and a gods role in it. Or be it a terrifying experience that shuns the undeserving one away in fear of ever returning to experience truly divine states. Even if a majority of people were misusing this as an excuse to trip, it should in no way defer you from attending and pursuing it for your own reasons.
Dude thanks so much I'm going to call the leader of one of that church within the next few days after my excitement simmers down and I have a better grip on what questions I have.
What's interesting for me is that drugs I did for recreational purposes ended up becoming spiritual.
Like in this thread, http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18449093/fpart/1/vc/1
I had a DXM trip that showed me that I was abusing tobacco and that the gods put it here to bring us together, so it's okay to use communally but by making it a company-optional, often solitary, and always-necessary part of life we lose the communal benefit and it separates us from one another.
I also had a full on weed trip a couple weeks ago in this thread that was very obviously religious in nature.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19198778
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. I got high and... I had this like... religious revelation, where I thought of my mother as a woman of faith. This was all while I was in the smoking nook undetected and unsmelled, and I suddenly saw life through her eyes (inspired by a "lord watch over me" magnet holding up a picture of her graduating from college) and realized oh wow, she thinks we're going to see grandma and grandpa again literally and that jesus died for us and God loves us and watches over us, listening to our concerns and formulating solutions in response to our prayers. Angels were real and watched over us. Miracles happen, although only quirky ""how did that get here" poooossssible miracles ever happened (like a lost picture of a relative lost in a billfold that turned up in a towel drawer).
And I realized exactly how much she really did love me and how having me really was the happiest day of her life. And how I have hurt her deeply and stressed my aging dad out maybe sending him to an early grave, and how my brother came in and I held him and we actually grew up together--is anything more special? We shared our most precious years together and best of all, he looked up to me like a hero that whole time.
One final thing is that like in 2010 before my couple-years downfall, I would always have these very tribal feelings smoking, sometimes even fantasizing about joining an indigenous tribe. These were over-the-top and far-fetched, of course, but the direction they point is clear and they inspired me to watch Quest for Fire and Avatar kinds of movies while under the influence on those instances.
I also grew up in boy scouts so I'm not sure if that's a factor. I don't feel a deep connection to the Native Americans as a people but rather to how they live and all of my pseudo-psychedelic experiences of wanting to be tribal were of integrating myself holistically rather than abandoning my own heritage entirely for the sake of another one. I'll have to see what they think of that but I think this could be cool.
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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: st1llnox]
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OMG I've officially been texting the MO President!!! 
He says he will talk to me on the phone tomorrow. Here is what I plan to ask him; for those of you--both who have and haven't posted in this thread--please let me know if any of these questions could be considered offensive:
I consider animals to have a similar soul and essence as humans and have been vegetarian for 5 years, and to spiritually practice truly in accord with what I feel the ubiquitous spirit compels me to, it probably can't be with dowry procured by the hunting of another sentient being.
Making a spirit bundle is assignment number 1, but does this mean that after that, there are more assignments that are tried and true to help one's spirituality develop?
And they're okay with concurrent Christian practice, but what if someone has a composite amalgam type of religion as their entry foundation, that has sources outside of Christianity AND outside of NAC's orthodoxy?
GOD I AM STOKED!!! I wonder if they would let me come stay with them for a few days to see if it really is right and so that I could work on their grounds and talk in depth with their leader... 
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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: st1llnox]
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I don't think you are going to be scrutinized based on your spiritual beliefs as long as you just go with the flow of the ceremony and are respectful. One of my friends who has been to many meetings is one of the most far out crazy spiritual hippies I've ever known, and he gets along fine with all of them.
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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: nicechrisman]
#19268467 - 12/12/13 10:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Dude thanks Nicechrisman!!! You're always full of good, encouraging information .
I'm more worried about general spiritual rejection than rejection from a psychedelic ceremony, since they offer them to the public, but if they're as individualistic and open-minded as they suggest, I think I might have found a good place to start exploring not only entheogens but a truly personalized religious practice (without any golden-standard/ruler of dogma!).
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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: st1llnox]
#19268474 - 12/12/13 10:44 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Just be ready for a lot of God talk. The thing is though- I think many of us psychedelic travelers have a different idea of God from what the church says.
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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: nicechrisman]
#19268495 - 12/12/13 10:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Haha so true that; all of my atheist friends are convinced I'm an atheist too smart to be a Christian, and my Christian friends all think I'm a polluted Xian of some kind based on the fact that I do have some spiritual beliefs (but sorry... the anthropomorphized form is our own projection; there's no "ultimate human" in the sky IMO but again, this is what I want to be exploring).
Again, Nicechrisman and everyone else--thanks so much for your FREAKIN AWESOME REPLIES!!! Very helpful 
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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: st1llnox]
#19268526 - 12/12/13 10:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm interested in how this goes.
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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: Piecefillpath247]
#19268531 - 12/12/13 11:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah I'm a little jealous. I'm sure I could get to a meeting if I really put a lot of effort forward to, but my life is pretty busy, and I just haven't put that energy forward. I'm pretty happy with my personal cactus experimentation, and even that I rarely find the time to do.
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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: st1llnox]
#19269103 - 12/13/13 01:59 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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st1llnox said: http://www.oklevueha.org/Questions___Answers.html
I stumbled upon this organization when I found a meetup listing for a legal peyote ceremony open to the public in my state.
Native American Church... seems like there's been success around the country not being prosecuted for peyote and even marijuana(!!!) due to membership and involvement in/with this church.
I like drugs, and I am interested in spirituality, but frankly this one places SO much emphasis on the legal protection benefit that despite the neater aspects of their spirituality (I mean, how often do churches unambiguously declare everyone unequivocally equal?), this kind of smells like a ritualized excuse to get high.
What are you guys' thoughts? Anyone here a member?
It seems based on a video in a WAY old TPE thread, though, that many who aren't like us at all (know little about drugs or only have used simple highs like heroin and speed) and who aren't necessarily into their spirituality have had life-changing experiences joining their ceremonies.
The white christian men slaughtered and destroyed their culture including their getting high as part of their spirituality. Pretty much all native spiritual traditions involve altering the conciousness and getting high. Your thinking its weird is a result of how complete your training has been.
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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: Ellis Dee]
#19269172 - 12/13/13 02:32 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Good vibes. I'm jelly. I've always wanted to try a ceremony like this. Good luck man! I hope it works out and you realize how ridiculous it was to mess around with DXM that much once you get ahold of a real psychedelic.
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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: TheGreenArrow]
#19269190 - 12/13/13 02:40 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I didn't read most of the thread but I have sat in on an NAC ceremony. I have also sat in on a Huichol ceremony.
NAC is interesting; but you can't generalize the whole church. Every nation have their own ceremonies, and every Roadman (shaman) within that nation has his own tradition. So no two ceremonies will ever really be the same.
That being said, I would much prefer attending a half moon circle over a crossfire. I'm personally not Christian so all the Jesus talk can detract from my own personal experience.
I actually met a member of the NAC today by total coincidence. I was getting a quote for my companies move to a new office, and the guy giving me the quote happened to be a member. He also did the five year pilgrimage to Wirikuta with the Huichol; which I hope to do some day. And he did the four year service in the Sun Dance; which I'm not totally sure if I want to do....
I'm going to bring him in on the local charter with the next upcoming ceremony since he has no contacts here.
If you want a word of advice for your first ceremony: Shut up and listen. Don't give in to your weakness. Remain on your knees and hold your bladder. Divert your focus to the ceremony and it will become easier. The medicine is there to help you. Don't be afraid to get well.
Another Shroomerite is actually the one who brought me into the NAC, though I'm not an official member. If he chooses to speak up, he will have much more knowledge to offer on this subject.
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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: Acaterpillar]
#19269849 - 12/13/13 09:01 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Green Arrow, one of my best DXM trips actually planted in me the desire to quit smoking and totally made me think of tobacco in literally a tribal context . I'm not necessarily going to just try to jump right into peyote or anything, but I think everyone who doesn't have me on ignore is in consensus that I need to properly trip really bad haha. I think this would be an ideal way to do it and glean the spiritual benefit.
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Your thinking its weird is a result of how complete your training has been.
Man, I didn't even realize how ethnocentric I was being... good point.
Thanks for your thorough reply as well, Caterpillar! I will definitely hold your advice in mind; is the bladder thing in order not to interrupt the ceremony?
I hope there's not too much Jesus stuff. He was clearly real (the Romans nailed tens or hundreds of thousands of people to crosses and there had to be at least one person named "Jesus" who considered himself to be sacrificing himself) but carries practically no spiritual significance to me. I'm really open-minded about others' faiths though for the most part so I'm not worried, plus we're all free to just take the essence of what people are saying..
OMG he's calling tty guys in a bit. Time to get spiritualized...
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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: st1llnox]
#19270181 - 12/13/13 10:50 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Just got off the phone with their leader. They're definitely the real deal and CERTAINLY not a "SWIM" or "It's a water-pipe, not a bong" type of legal ruse. He also said that I can come down and stay with them if I feel called to(!!!) and that they'll make sure I've got food and a place to stay, etc. as long as I need. He also said that if I wanted to relocate for real, they can get me a job and will help me find a place to rent and everything. 
It seems they're just in their infancy in my region. The leader was talking with me about some of his plans and they sound awesome, including having retreat cabins where people can step out of their lives for as long as they need to if they need to spend some time in nature or out of their daily grind, and he's got the idea of a warehouse where members can make things they don't need available to others and take anything they have a real need for or use for.
I'm going to fast today while I decide if going down there is in order, but I'm already 97% sure I'm going to take them up on the offer.
I have a lot of clothes, both rugged and designer, piled up that I don't need so I'm going to likely contribute a large amount of gently used clothing to help kick start their resource pool for those who have better use for my surplus or are in a time of need.
This is going to be big. I think I already know that I'm going down there, but I'm a hyper and excitable person so I am still going to fast and make sure I'm not being hasty.
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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: Ellis Dee]
#19270231 - 12/13/13 11:04 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ellis Dee said:
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st1llnox said: http://www.oklevueha.org/Questions___Answers.html
I stumbled upon this organization when I found a meetup listing for a legal peyote ceremony open to the public in my state.
Native American Church... seems like there's been success around the country not being prosecuted for peyote and even marijuana(!!!) due to membership and involvement in/with this church.
I like drugs, and I am interested in spirituality, but frankly this one places SO much emphasis on the legal protection benefit that despite the neater aspects of their spirituality (I mean, how often do churches unambiguously declare everyone unequivocally equal?), this kind of smells like a ritualized excuse to get high.
What are you guys' thoughts? Anyone here a member?
It seems based on a video in a WAY old TPE thread, though, that many who aren't like us at all (know little about drugs or only have used simple highs like heroin and speed) and who aren't necessarily into their spirituality have had life-changing experiences joining their ceremonies.
The white christian men slaughtered and destroyed their culture including their getting high as part of their spirituality. Pretty much all native spiritual traditions involve altering the conciousness and getting high. Your thinking its weird is a result of how complete your training has been.
Even with my mothers side being navajo over zealous christian members on the board have gone off on me and a couple other threads that it's an excuse to get high.
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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: Mescalean]
#19270274 - 12/13/13 11:14 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Even with my mothers side being navajo over zealous christian members on the board have gone off on me and a couple other threads that it's an excuse to get high.
Great grandmother was full blood and participated. Lived to be 112.
I think it's stupid as fuck anyone cares either way... most of us here get high anyway without needing an excuse 
I just didn't want to get involved and take it seriously if this particular group wasn't sincere about the spirituality side of it; using drugs is anyone's right period, regardless of whether they are doing it as part of a religious ceremony.
I'm thinking next Tuesday would be the best day to go down although I'm not sure how long I should plan on staying, or if I should even make a plan.
Since I just decided yesterday that I have to get out of my parents house at any and all costs, starting a life down there might not be a horrible approach to be honest but I'm not going to get ahead of myself here.
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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: st1llnox]
#19270456 - 12/13/13 12:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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They are sincere about the spiritual side of it. The only mixed feeling I have are like what catiplilar said, I don't believe in christianity so I feel like it would clash with my own spiritual beliefs.
Remember peyote isn't the most "fun" drug sometimes. The purge scares most off.
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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: Mescalean]
#19270477 - 12/13/13 12:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: Mescalean]
#19270555 - 12/13/13 12:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Mescalean said: They are sincere about the spiritual side of it. The only mixed feeling I have are like what catiplilar said, I don't believe in christianity so I feel like it would clash with my own spiritual beliefs.
Remember peyote isn't the most "fun" drug sometimes. The purge scares most off.
I'm betting it's gonna be a long time before I use peyote; I anticipate my first true "trip" being LSD with MusicOfZann when I visit him in a month or so if we can get all our logistics figured out.
Purging after ingesting psychoactives doesn't phase me--I am, after all, the DXM Diva 
Mesc, Jesus or God didn't come up once in my talk with their leader and they have zero dogma; no mention of pretty much anything Christian at all in their constitution or whatever on the website.
Man Found Standing, the leader I talked to, also made it clear that I will have no problems from anyone stemming from my mashup religious beliefs or my lack of belief in an anthropomorphized God.
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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: st1llnox]
#19272318 - 12/13/13 08:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ask him if they practice Crossfire or Halfmoon.
Some Charters will do both, some will only do one. And it really comes down to the Roadman running the ceremony and his own practice.
Halfmoon doesn't have the Christian influence, and is the older tradition.
Crossfire was developed sometime later in Oklahoma by predominantly Kiowa who had converted to Christianity; so it has the Christian influence.
And then sometimes they will have open circles, which is a much more casual ceremony that allows the blending of traditions on members own preferences.
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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: Acaterpillar]
#19272329 - 12/13/13 08:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Holy Shit I am so Excited right now.
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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: showme]
#19272335 - 12/13/13 08:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Damnit, it's in Missouri, is that where you are?
Ok nevermind, I just read the subject line. lol. So stoked for you. Not saying I ain't visiting, just might be a little after you.
Peace man, thanks for sharing this! Exactly what I've been searching for ever since... what... my first trip? haha
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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: showme]
#19272790 - 12/13/13 10:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'll look into that Caterpillar, thanks! 
Showme, I will likely still be around/part of it when you come if you choose to and feel called to participate.
And yes, I'm in Missouri . Funny you aren't, since your name is actually our state motto/slogan/whateverthefuck lol: the "Show Me" state.
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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: st1llnox]
#19272966 - 12/13/13 11:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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hahaha that's true I never even thought about that before. I lived in Missouri for a little while too, huh.
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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: showme]
#19273061 - 12/14/13 12:04 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Haha that's hilarious man... where at?
BTW I think my tribal name is going to be "Interpreter of Maladies" if you need to look for me.
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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: st1llnox]
#19273211 - 12/14/13 01:31 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've been to two peyote ceremonies. They were great experiences. The ceremony lasts all night, from dusk to dawn. I love the sound of the water drum. I'm a vegetarian but out of respect I ate the meat that is part of the sacred foods at the end of the ceremony.
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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: farmerb]
#19273221 - 12/14/13 01:36 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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farmerb said: I've been to two peyote ceremonies. They were great experiences. The ceremony lasts all night, from dusk to dawn. I love the sound of the water drum. I'm a vegetarian but out of respect I ate the meat that is part of the sacred foods at the end of the ceremony.
Sometimes the meat will be mixed with other things and I notice the vegetarians just going for that.
God, canned corn never tasted as good as ceremonial canned corn.
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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: Acaterpillar]
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Acaterpillar said:
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farmerb said: I've been to two peyote ceremonies. They were great experiences. The ceremony lasts all night, from dusk to dawn. I love the sound of the water drum. I'm a vegetarian but out of respect I ate the meat that is part of the sacred foods at the end of the ceremony.
Sometimes the meat will be mixed with other things and I notice the vegetarians just going for that.
God, canned corn never tasted as good as ceremonial canned corn. 
The ones I went to had venison for the meat and purple corn made into a paste.
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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: farmerb]
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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: volcomstoner]
#19275377 - 12/14/13 04:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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volcomstoner said: $10 bucks says they tell you to fuck off in the first hour
You're an asshole that's just trying to share your discontent with the world.
Find somewhere else to cry.
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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: volcomstoner]
#19276987 - 12/14/13 11:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks so much for sharing your experiences and insights everyone!
I have awesome news: I had this dream last night that really paralleled the last 5 or 6 years of my life and that ended with me in a lit cabin with blinds open, but at night so I could be seen but could see nothing of what waited outside. I was lonely and sad and scared to make a change, and then another guy named Justin ended up there. We talked about the pros and cons of staying versus going into the unknown and the dangers therein, but he made it clear he was going to risk it and asked me along.
I decided to go with him and though we knew the dark had hazards, the safety and comfort was getting worse and was definitely leading to worse things.
I talked to the chief, Man Standing Tall about this, but before I even told him the dream I asked if he knows any Justins.
His brother, who leads the dining(? IDK if I heard it right) ceremony and the ayahuasca ceremony, is named Justin and it turns out he'd already told me a lot about him under his tribal name "Healing Warrior"; I just hadn't been told his birth name.
Could be coincidence, might be, but this is getting much more profound and interesting than I thought. Just from talking to Man Standing Tall for several hours the last couple days and fasting/reflecting, I feel like I've figured out probably close to as much as I was hoping to from trying LSD/psilocybin/mescaline.
Both their leader and I are in accord that I should go down there and learn more, and now I especially want to meet Justin "Healing Warrior". If he looks similar to how he did in the dream, THEN I'm going to just be like zomg lol.
I told him how I tend to get overly excited about things so I'm waiting a couple days just to make sure this is the right decision, but unless something comes up I think I'm going to go stay with their leader and his wife for at least a few days. 
I haven't felt this good about things and my life in a long time! Thanks again for the good vibes and helpful/awesome stories everyone!
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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: st1llnox]
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I'm surprised to hear that an official of the charter is using Ayahuasca as a medicine in ceremonies.
It's not common to hold an Ayahuasca ceremony officially through the church; though it's not unheard of for members to hold Ayahuasca ceremonies on the side in their own time.
But I've personally never heard of such a thing before, and I think it would raise my suspicions.
Follow your intuition no matter what though.
It doesn't matter how ancient and meaningful a tradition may be; If it doesn't feel right for you then it probably isn't.
There is a reason for holding ceremony instead of taking peyote in casual setting. Holding space has a profound impact upon the experience; and you will get to see that benefit first hand.
However, that doesn't mean the group you will be sitting with are cohesive with your own mental circumstance. Forcing certain traditions upon yourself when they are not compatible with your own mental condition could result in some unhealthy developments.
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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: Acaterpillar]
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Acaterpillar said: I'm surprised to hear that an official of the charter is using Ayahuasca as a medicine in ceremonies.
It's not common to hold an Ayahuasca ceremony officially through the church; though it's not unheard of for members to hold Ayahuasca ceremonies on the side in their own time.
But I've personally never heard of such a thing before, and I think it would raise my suspicions.
Follow your intuition no matter what though.
It doesn't matter how ancient and meaningful a tradition may be; If it doesn't feel right for you then it probably isn't.
There is a reason for holding ceremony instead of taking peyote in casual setting. Holding space has a profound impact upon the experience; and you will get to see that benefit first hand.
However, that doesn't mean the group you will be sitting with are cohesive with your own mental circumstance. Forcing certain traditions upon yourself when they are not compatible with your own mental condition could result in some unhealthy developments.
Agreed this is a very sacred honor, I wish to have this expirience on my bucket list and fear I will not be able to
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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: Seriously_trippin]
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Seriously Tripping, if you feel you want or need healing through a Peyote ceremony, James "Flaming Eagle" Mooney was appointed to be a pipe carrier at age 47 but (and here's where we white folk cross in to all this), he was charged to never turn away anyone who seeks medicine and healing regardless of race, beliefs, creed, gender, sexuality, etc.
I don't want to get ahead of myself but I also think there's a really, really good chance I'm going to become a member and Medicine Man. I'm not sure if I will ever be or feel called to learn, master, and then lead peyote ceremonies or anything but its at least very likely you'll have an "in" if you need one soon. If this is something important enough for your bucket list, then if I find myself in a position where I can help make participating possible, I will try to help. Keep in touch and ill keep you in the loop, but again I'm far from in a position to help or guide at all right now. As Man Found Standing was telling me, I need to reach integrity and harmony with myself before I can help others (we discussed both my problems and ambitions of helping others through technology and being there for people, etc. an that prompted this very valid point).
I'm at work and need to get back to it but thanks for your advice Caterpillar and SeriouslyTrippin; ill reply to you on break Caterpillar!
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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: st1llnox]
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st1llnox said: Seriously Tripping, if you feel you want or need healing through a Peyote ceremony, James "Flaming Eagle" Mooney was appointed to be a pipe carrier at age 47 but (and here's where we white folk cross in to all this), he was charged to never turn away anyone who seeks medicine and healing regardless of race, beliefs, creed, gender, sexuality, etc.
I don't want to get ahead of myself but I also think there's a really, really good chance I'm going to become a member and Medicine Man. I'm not sure if I will ever be or feel called to learn, master, and then lead peyote ceremonies or anything but its at least very likely you'll have an "in" if you need one soon. If this is something important enough for your bucket list, then if I find myself in a position where I can help make participating possible, I will try to help. Keep in touch and ill keep you in the loop, but again I'm far from in a position to help or guide at all right now. As Man Found Standing was telling me, I need to reach integrity and harmony with myself before I can help others (we discussed both my problems and ambitions of helping others through technology and being there for people, etc. an that prompted this very valid point).
I'm at work and need to get back to it but thanks for your advice Caterpillar and SeriouslyTrippin; ill reply to you on break Caterpillar!
Thank you so much, I cant even explain how much this is important to me. I feel like it's the spiritual experience I've been craving for since an early teenager.However good things happen to people who wait and If you could arrange something at some point I'd be grateful. I just have studied the works of Aldous Huxley and Terrance Mckenna and have had a lot of spiritual trips but sometimes they seem more recreational then spiritual and I want to reach harmony with myself, that's the psychedelic dragon i have been chasin for 2 years on and off.
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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: Seriously_trippin]
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That video just really seemed appropriate for this thread. I sincerely hope this group of people ends up being sincere and nobody ends up trying to push bullshit on anyone else. Stillnox I hope this works out for you. I've watched your posts for a while and I really hope you find a way out of your parents house. Most of all I hope you find a way to support yourself out there. The bar tending gig is a great one giving you get the right crowd. Honestly though good vibes I could only imagine what taking that amazing chemical among the natives' culture must be like. It seems a noble purpose, I really hope I get to meet the right people to do this. Good luck sir!
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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: TheGreenArrow]
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Thank you so much... Deeply. I finally don't just hope things are turning around; I am actually aware I have the power to.
They seem sincere, and that's probably an understatement. The Chiefs brother that might have been represented in that dream just got back from 40 days in the Amazon.
I am also confident they're not just a drug protection group as they have many Mormons, [orthodox] Catholics, etc. that practice but do not participate in any entheogens whatsoever.
I'm saving your video to watch while I am on my first ever taste of Shrooms tonight 
And thanks so much again... That means a lot to me and I really feel clear about my path and feel I am being realistic like with bartending to move out, etc. I'll be starting a journal on here soon I think, for my sake and to share as I make my own path and especially discover more about the NAC and what role I'm to play (and that they're to play in my new life). Good vibes your way brother
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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: st1llnox]
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Green Arrow, I had no idea what that video was going to be and during my first little shrooms trip, me and a friend went to this lake behind a church flanked by forest and I fired up that song and BOOM, instantly realize it's an incredibly significant song from my past. Hearing that brought back a lot of memories and feelings and with a psychedelic profundity I'd never experienced before.
Also, before everyone +0's me in my first trip thread, I want to go on record here that I was trolling that shrooms "Are no DXM" but that was so freaking funny (or maybe it's the tail end of these cubenses) that I decided not to give any indication of trollery
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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: st1llnox]
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st1llnox said: Green Arrow, I had no idea what that video was going to be and during my first little shrooms trip, me and a friend went to this lake behind a church flanked by forest and I fired up that song and BOOM, instantly realize it's an incredibly significant song from my past. Hearing that brought back a lot of memories and feelings and with a psychedelic profundity I'd never experienced before.
Also, before everyone +0's me in my first trip thread, I want to go on record here that I was trolling that shrooms "Are no DXM" but that was so freaking funny (or maybe it's the tail end of these cubenses) that I decided not to give any indication of trollery 
Wow I'm really glad you ended up trying some cubies man. I'm glad that you had a good trip in the end. Make sure that if you didn't this time, next time get some to huff during the peaks. Dont question it, just trust me on this one, I promise you will thank me. Also if your thinking about the shamanistic aspect of things, and you really liked that video. Look into protentiating your trip next time with syrain rue seeds, harmala helps bring the visions you see into focus. Almost like a different lens for a microscope or camera. But it is true though, huh? Psilocin blows DXM outta the water.Sushi and Spiderbites.Check out my trip playlist. You may find some absolute gems on there.
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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: st1llnox]
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Well, now I've got something else to add to my bucket list.
Interesting thread!
Having read this, I'm even more excited for you now, st1ll!
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#19283855 - 12/16/13 01:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Mescaline is the trip of all trips
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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: plektheplek]
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thanks again, Woods! Maybe an arbitrarily-large dose of mescaline is just what the doctor (should have) ordered  I bet, plek, although Ayahuasca's gotta be pretty fucking intense too.
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IMO, OP needs religion just as much as he needs heroin...
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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: Patlal]
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thanks again, Woods! Maybe an arbitrarily-large dose of mescaline is just what the doctor (should have) ordered  I bet, plek, although Ayahuasca's gotta be pretty fucking intense too.
Patlal, it's more philosophical/"zen"-brand spiritual than religious per se, although there definitely is that side to it.
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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: st1llnox]
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Just had a talk with my parents and my mom has now tried convincing me that this is probably a cult and that I will end up in slave labor Do any of you see or know of any red flags regarding the NAC and potential cult status? If I were to follow my heart on this one I'd proceed without even worrying about this but eh.
I told my parents they could meet them if they drove me down but they don't want to. Naturally, Craigslist ride share is a safe alternative to get to what they fear is a cult lol, but nor should I feel that they somehow owe me a ride to middle of nowhere, MO.
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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: st1llnox]
#19284667 - 12/16/13 03:53 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Gotta make your own decisions.
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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: nicechrisman]
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You're right. I made it clear I'm doing this and that their help would be nice though will not determine if I through with this. They almost looked victimized at this though, but I'm sure they'll be glad for any positive changes they see.
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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: st1llnox]
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Cult doesn't even come up in autocomplete on google regarding them and the only NAC cult I can find is the New Apostolic Church. Spirit quest is go!
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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: st1llnox]
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Native American churches rituals have been going on for a long time, they are a group that just happens to worship psychedelic cacti and occasionally fungi. They are not really the convert type usually they wont even allow foreigners to go through the ritual
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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: Patlal]
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Patlal said: IMO, OP needs religion just as much as he needs heroin...
lol if he goes through with this, he will probably act like The Mushroom Jesus (aka Bill O'Reilly) when he was shooting up DMT
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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: Everlong]
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TMJ changed his name eh... now I see 
IIRC, it seemed like Scooby Snax brand spice was the issue if you're talking Shroomery chat circa winter 2011-2012. K2 is far from a spiritual sacrament lol.
I just need to figure out how to get to the town now... I shall find a way though
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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: st1llnox]
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st1llnox said: TMJ changed his name eh... now I see 
IIRC, it seemed like Scooby Snax brand spice was the issue if you're talking Shroomery chat circa winter 2011-2012. K2 is far from a spiritual sacrament lol.
I just need to figure out how to get to the town now... I shall find a way though 
I have a bad feeling about you mixing psychedelics with religion, is all.
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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: Everlong]
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Ah... I'm more philosophical than religious just FYI, and the spirituality aspect is much more zen than Christian or whatever but who knows. I'll see where this goes and where this takes me
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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: Everlong]
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Patlal said: IMO, OP needs religion just as much as he needs heroin...
lol if he goes through with this, he will probably act like The Mushroom Jesus (aka Bill O'Reilly) when he was shooting up DMT
Why would you think that? One Peyote ritual is a lot safer then shooting up 4-aco-Dmt and dmt extremely frequently. I remember that phase of his when I was Seriously_Spaced, I dropped off the map for a bit and I didn't know he was Bill O' Reilly that's cool, I was wondering where MushroomJesus was.
Also I would like to point out you can go through the ceremony and still hold the values and beliefs you had before. There is no sound reasoning to think otherwise.
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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: Seriously_trippin]
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Everlong said:
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Patlal said: IMO, OP needs religion just as much as he needs heroin...
lol if he goes through with this, he will probably act like The Mushroom Jesus (aka Bill O'Reilly) when he was shooting up DMT
Why would you think that? One Peyote ritual is a lot safer then shooting up 4-aco-Dmt and dmt extremely frequently. I remember that phase of his when I was Seriously_Spaced, I dropped off the map for a bit and I didn't know he was Bill O' Reilly that's cool, I was wondering where MushroomJesus was.
Also I would like to point out you can go through the ceremony and still hold the values and beliefs you had before. There is no sound reasoning to think otherwise.
I think that because based off what I've read from OP, he seems to jump off into the deep end when introduced to something.
He seems like the perfect personality who would take psychedelics in a religious setting, and then preach about his "experience with god" and all that jazz.
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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: Everlong]
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Cut him some fucking slack, enthusiasm and charisma is a far cry from utter retardation.
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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: Into The Woods]
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You must not read some of his threads, he seems to jump the shark on everything.
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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: Everlong]
#19292705 - 12/18/13 10:24 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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He might be a little over the top sometimes but that doesn't mean anything.
He's a smart guy and he knows how to take something seriously.
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Re: Native American Church -- UPDATED: I'm invited to go visit them to get things figured out!!! [Re: st1llnox]
#19292746 - 12/18/13 10:39 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I like how the tone of the thread changed from a disrespectful:
Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State
to a more respectful:
Native American Church -- UPDATED: I'm invited to go visit them to get things figured out!!!
The moment you get an invite.
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Re: Native American Church -- UPDATED: I'm invited to go visit them to get things figured out!!! [Re: Asante]
#19292823 - 12/18/13 11:04 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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A lot of people jumping to some conclusions in here.
W_S, the original title wasn't meant disrespectfully at all; I phrased it that way as I thought those qualities were striking.
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Re: Native American Church -- UPDATED: I'm invited to go visit them to get things figured out!!! [Re: st1llnox]
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Hey st1ll
I'm drunk and I'm about to go to bed but I want you to know that I didn't jump to conclusions and that they were both in your favour
And I meant every damn word 
So drunk
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Re: Native American Church -- UPDATED: I'm invited to go visit them to get things figured out!!! [Re: Into The Woods]
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And honour
Friendship
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Re: Native American Church -- UPDATED: I'm invited to go visit them to get things figured out!!! [Re: Into The Woods]
#19292856 - 12/18/13 11:13 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I love you, I do
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Re: Native American Church -- UPDATED: I'm invited to go visit them to get things figured out!!! [Re: Into The Woods]
#19292859 - 12/18/13 11:14 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Buddy. Man. Pal. No gay affiliation.
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Re: Native American Church -- UPDATED: I'm invited to go visit them to get things figured out!!! [Re: Into The Woods]
#19292867 - 12/18/13 11:15 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Not that I have anything against it
I'm gonna pass the fuck out before I stop posting willingly
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Re: Native American Church -- UPDATED: I'm invited to go visit them to get things figured out!!! [Re: Into The Woods]
#19292868 - 12/18/13 11:16 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm doing a shot at this pub in your honor woods!
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Re: Native American Church -- UPDATED: I'm invited to go visit them to get things figured out!!! [Re: st1llnox]
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Re: Native American Church -- UPDATED: I'm invited to go visit them to get things figured out!!! [Re: Into The Woods]
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Re: Native American Church -- UPDATED: I'm invited to go visit them to get things figured out!!! [Re: st1llnox]
#19292995 - 12/18/13 11:55 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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If that charter is using other substances regularly besides peyote, I would proceed with caution.
That's the last advice I'll offer in this thread.
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Re: Native American Church -- UPDATED: I'm invited to go visit them to get things figured out!!! [Re: Acaterpillar]
#19293272 - 12/18/13 01:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've heard stories from a girl who partakes in the peyote rituals with her family. She says her grandmother believes that marijuana is evil and peyote is god given. Is this a common outlook for Native American Church goers?
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Re: Native American Church -- UPDATED: I'm invited to go visit them to get things figured out!!! [Re: TheGreenArrow]
#19322704 - 12/24/13 07:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm actually headed to an NAC ceremony for Christmas right now. Happy holidays everyone.
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Re: Native American Church -- UPDATED: I'm invited to go visit them to get things figured out!!! [Re: Acaterpillar]
#19323083 - 12/24/13 08:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Oh cool! Which kind of ceremony?
Have fun and happy holidays; I appreciate your contributions you've made to this thread!
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Re: Native American Church -- UPDATED: I'm invited to go visit them to get things figured out!!! [Re: st1llnox]
#19325941 - 12/25/13 03:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Why are you imitating Ballerium's signature and avatar? It's really confusing. 
It was a crossfire circle. Very cool way to spend Christmas.
I hope the Church you're in contact with can open you to yourself in the same way this Church has for me.
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Re: Native American Church -- UPDATED: I'm invited to go visit them to get things figured out!!! [Re: Acaterpillar]
#19325969 - 12/25/13 03:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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That's so awesome--was peyote involved?
I hope this can get the callouses off my personality lol
And it's a long story lol
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Re: Native American Church -- UPDATED: I'm invited to go visit them to get things figured out!!! [Re: st1llnox]
#19326035 - 12/25/13 03:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Only you can remove those callouses, but the medicine can certainly make you aware of the callous, and the pain and suffering it brings you.
And yes, medicine was involved. It's hard to pull real understanding from letters and words, but I'm concerned that your intentions for seeking out the Church aren't the best.
You shouldn't be so concerned with the Peyote, but rather more concerned with the way in which it works as a medicine. The are other medicines you can pull equal meaning from; and for some people alternative medicines could even be more powerful. Though Peyote is considered the grandfather medicine.
But if an NAC member is telling you about a ceremony he sat in, don't ask: "WAS PEYOTE INVOLVED?!?!"
You'll only make your ignorance of the culture painfully obvious.
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Re: Native American Church -- UPDATED: I'm invited to go visit them to get things figured out!!! [Re: Acaterpillar]
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Yeah, I feel ya caterpillar. Honestly I'm not that worried about Peyote at this point although I feel it would/will benefit me. That's what got this on my radar originally but now that I've looked a lot more into it, what's making me gravitate toward it is their openness to varying views within members and their communal tendencies (FYI, you don't have to join to do their Peyote ceremonies if that clears up a little on my intentions here; TBH I think the sweat lodge is more what I need in the immediate future based on the site saying it's especially to help relations with biological parents, although how that's supposed to help I'm currently unclear on).
Honestly if you're gonna be worried about something in relation to Peyote, be worried that I'm hoping it will fix everything (I fear that I am still holding onto this notion and that I'll end up disappointed or, worse yet, feeling even worse off if the mother of all medicine can't help me). I'm going to be learning a LOT more about this stuff and how it works before I partake because I recognize this, for sure.
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Re: Native American Church -- UPDATED: I'm invited to go visit them to get things figured out!!! [Re: st1llnox]
#19326082 - 12/25/13 04:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I just feel great compassion towards the church and I don't want to be responsible for sending anyone their way because they want to get high on a drug. I have yet to sit in a sweat lodge, but I seriously look forward to it when I get the chance.
It's incredibly intense, so be prepared.
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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: Acaterpillar]
#19326091 - 12/25/13 04:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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People should be allowed to ingest whatever they want, though if they start eating peopøe they should also expect people getting angry...
spiritual use of psycadellica? Great.
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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: Icyus]
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That's not why I want in, but I respect that and I'm shielding them from some of my friends for this very reason.
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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: Icyus]
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OP is clearly am just wants to use his demonic drugs.
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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: George W. Bush]
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George W. Bush said: OP is clearly am just wants to use his demonic drugs.
You sir are not invited.
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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: Acaterpillar]
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I have utmost respect for the rockin' body our lord and savior Jesus Christ (happy birthday!) gave me and I am not gonna go get addicted to cactuses with a bunch of illegal immigrant's.
If they wanna go back where they came from, the Indians can smoke all the pay-ote and crack meth they want. Hell, the one's that stayed in India are all addicted to cigarettes now, but those don't cause cancer like pay-ote.
I will pray for you and OP that you break this unholy fetters your stuck in and can find hope in Jesus.
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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: George W. Bush]
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George W. Bush said: I have utmost respect for the rockin' body our lord and savior Jesus Christ (happy birthday!) gave me and I am not gonna go get addicted to cactuses with a bunch of illegal immigrant's.
If they wanna go back where they came from, the Indians can smoke all the pay-ote and crack meth they want. Hell, the one's that stayed in India are all addicted to cigarettes now, but those don't cause cancer like pay-ote.
I will pray for you and OP that you break this unholy fetters your stuck in and can find hope in Jesus.

That was the most entertaining thing I've read all day. Thank you for the laugh.
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