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Shroomsandstuff
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Some Salvia Quesitons
#19263778 - 12/12/13 12:21 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Seeing as salvia has a "Reverse tolerance" (each time you get stronger and stronger effects), 1. does that wear down if you don't ingest it for a while? or are you pretty much permanently limited by that because eventually it would be too strong?
and 2. can you jsut chew up one large fresh leaf and thenin a couple hours do it again and do that several times until you start getting effects? Seems like the best way to ease into it AND conserve leaves.
Diff question.. On chewed salvia, what is music with headphones like?
also, in regards to mixing salvia and marijuana,does the weed help you calm down if its a bad trip or make it worse, and 2, does using salvia cause you to trip in the future when you smoke pot?
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Apeman
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you know what? grow some fucking balls,turn off the computer, and go find this shit out for yourself.
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Shroomsandstuff
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Re: Some Salvia Quesitons [Re: Apeman] 1
#19264052 - 12/12/13 01:53 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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YOU know what? Grow some balls and stop trying to act like a tough guy online and make room for those who are actually helpful. Not as stupid as you to just eat a bunch of some mindfucking plant and SEE for myself when I can just ask.
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Amanita86
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Get'm ape!!!, UTFSE OP! 
Im just fucking around. Op ever experience salvia? Ill try to remember all your q's and answer
Reverse tolerance, I dont know, when it works it blows your head out the fuckng door of reality. When that is understood, tolerance really doesnt matter. Quids, Ive never had luck with "oral" sally, only smoked.
Headphones/tv/cars passing by outside/people being noisy...all fucks you up. Its not like cid and music. Outer whatnot seems to get incorporated into the experience. Being in the show you were just watching. Actually being in it. It can cause problems. Low light, low/no noise.
Weed, depends on you. Back in the day I was high all the time. Now I never smoke so if I did I would probably get some panic anxiety, which in salvia world can cause a problem. Its your call.
I think that was it... fyi DO NOT have any alcohol in you. Ive had some violently chaotic experiences this way. Sally seems to not like alcohol on your breath when you go visit her. Be safe. This is not a normal plant or experience. I wouldnt even call it getting "high". Respect this one like a loaded gun.
Good luck and haaaave fuuuun evil laugh.
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Amanita86
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Re: Some Salvia Quesitons [Re: Amanita86]
#19264195 - 12/12/13 03:32 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Oh yea the last one...ive never had a flashback as one would call it but id be doing some random thing and get a de ja vuu like feeling of 'thats kind of salviaish, or see a picture and get that same twing of recollection, nothing overwhelming tho. If i so much as smell the burnt plant im sure my heart rate jumps and my adrenal gland dumps.. salvia makes me nervous nowdays. If I were to eat say 2 gs of cubes or something, get over the initial anxiety to where Im "in" the trip, Id probably blast off a few times for old times sake, 'cept its not around anymore so.. If you decide to give it a go, smoke with eyes open, and try closed. It results, in my experience, in two drasticly different results. Pretty interesting. Good luck with her and tell her I said hi.
(PS.. ive noticed you use the word eat, and ask a question in relation to gel cap ingestion. It doesnt work that way. Through your lungs and through your gums etc like redman is the only two ways afaik. I dont know if maoi effects this, or if id want it to last that long if it did. A blast feels like an eternity, long enough for me)
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Edited by Amanita86 (12/12/13 04:03 AM)
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Re: Some Salvia Quesitons [Re: Amanita86]
#19264314 - 12/12/13 05:00 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I never considered the reverse tolerance a "limiting" factor. When I was smoking salvia fairly often I got sensitive enough to it to where I could launch fully into salvia space by smoking regular leaf out of a regular pipe. No extracts and no crazy bong hits. If anything it was a liberating factor. I don't know about the reverse tolerance persisting even when you havent smoked in a while.
The effects from quidding are really mild. Great for sitting in meditation, or wandering the woods in the dark. Quidding has never been an intense experience for me, it takes more leaves to experience any effects, and the leaves taste none too pleasant. Smoking would honestly conserve more leaf.
Amanita86 is spot on about low light, low/no noise. IME external stimuli either prevented me from getting deep enough in salvia space, or it made for an uncomfortable experience. Or both.
The salvia experience is so intesne, and it is over so quickly that mixing it with pot would be pointless IMO. Smoke pot after the experience to calm down if you feel the need.
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Leaf chewing is unpleasant generally, even fresh ones taste like horrible salad bitters.
One leaf, hmm, rarely does one leaf work, it has enough active ingredient but moving all that (paraffin wax like) salvinorin-A into your blood and brain quickly enough (all within 90 seconds) is unlikely.
Usually you need 12 to 25 leaves (they wrote 12 pair of leaves in the early literature) chewed vigorously (& better to swallow than spit). So you can see it is not happening with one leaf casually chewed.
The reverse tolerance is mostly a matter of familiarity with effects, and memory triggers. not actually a chemical reverse tolerance.
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redgreenvines said: Leaf chewing is unpleasant generally, even fresh ones taste like horrible salad bitters.
One leaf, hmm, rarely does one leaf work, it has enough active ingredient but moving all that (paraffin wax like) salvinorin-A into your blood and brain quickly enough (all within 90 seconds) is unlikely.
Usually you need 12 to 25 leaves (they wrote 12 pair of leaves in the early literature) chewed vigorously (& better to swallow than spit). So you can see it is not happening with one leaf casually chewed.
The reverse tolerance is mostly a matter of familiarity with effects, and memory triggers. not actually a chemical reverse tolerance.
Said it all for me about fresh leaves
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Re: Some Salvia Quesitons [Re: Acidreamer]
#19265834 - 12/12/13 01:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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First of all, reverse tolerance is a theory. Much like the tolerance of MDMA. Some people have it, some people don't.
The best way for a first time user to experience the magic of Salvia is to get exactly 5X EXTRACT OR LESS, weigh out a really small dose like 0.05-0.2g, and torch it with a jet lighter in a bong.
Salvia is like the lottery of hallucinogenic dissociatives. You literally cannot tell whether you're going to be smeared across infinity or catapulted into the abyss of a black hole.
And, get a sitter.
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Lysergic_Milkman
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Apeman said: you know what? grow some fucking balls,turn off the computer, and go find this shit out for yourself.
YOU know what? Show some goddamn restraint and let the veterans handle the new members, savvy? I wouldn't be so harsh if you weren't so dense. Never in all my years have I heard such asseninery!
Welcome to the Shroomery, Shroomsandsuch. I presume that you quickly jumped in here to ask this question and jump back out. I hope your question has been answered thoroughly enough, and that you will decide to stick around for a few years.
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FrozenHappiness
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redgreenvines said: The reverse tolerance is mostly a matter of familiarity with effects, and memory triggers. not actually a chemical reverse tolerance.
^This is an intersting idea that I never considered. That idea has merit-- not everybody I know exihibits signs of a reverse tolerance.
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DatIslandLife said: The best way for a first time user to experience the magic of Salvia is to get exactly 5X EXTRACT OR LESS, weigh out a really small dose like 0.05-0.2g, and torch it with a jet lighter in a bong.
^This.
5X extract is plenty enough to get where you want to go with little risk of taking things too far. I've tried a wide range of extracts, including the higher ones like 20X, 30X, 40X etc. Unless you are EXTREMELY carefull with the dose you are going to end up having a terrifyingly intense experience that you can't even remember when you come down. What is the point of having an experience that you can't remember?
Also I agree with having a sitter, if you can find a good sitter. A lot of people I know either wanna fuck with the people they are sitting for, or laugh at them loud and obnoxiously, or talk to them and ask them a bunch of questions ie: "HOW IS IT?" "HOW DO YOU FEEL?" "ARE YOU OK?" etc. etc. Having a bunch of distractions around like that really detracts from the depth of the trip and adds to the confusion.
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Amanita86
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Yea reverse tolerance or not... ive been like "shoot for the stars", and nothing happened, while other times ill just sip it and get destroyed... chronic, this is not. This is a spirit..
And like was said, have an experienced sitter that knows not to mess with you, get funny, etc... its really not like that...
I went through pounds of straight leaf by way of gravity bong before i tried extracts. I believe the majority of bad reports is people with ego hitting 90x like it was weed.,, ill say straight leaf is beautiful, extracts can be violent.. but once you get your feet under you, the extracts are gold. You have to learn... first graders arent taught theoretical physics, theyre taught to spell "because".. its all relative... "crawl before you walk...etc" good luck:D
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