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Does cracked corn in WBS really cause the stickiness?
    #19263483 - 12/11/13 11:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I've always had an issue with my WBS being a little on the sticky side. Then I read someone saying they thought it was the corn in it that was causing this?

Thoughts or experience?


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Re: Does cracked corn in WBS really cause the stickiness? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #19263514 - 12/11/13 11:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

question 2: totally unrelated, but does anyone know what psil. galindoi mycelium looks like? Like obviously its white, but is it typically wispy like pan cyan mycelium?

Because SWIM has some jars and he can't tell if its wispy mycelium or strong cobweb mold.


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Re: Does cracked corn in WBS really cause the stickiness? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #19263517 - 12/11/13 11:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

just a question... do you rinse your grains before a soak? thats why my grains were sticky my first time.


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Re: Does cracked corn in WBS really cause the stickiness? [Re: silverstem]
    #19263524 - 12/11/13 11:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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just a question... do you rinse your grains before a soak? thats why my grains were sticky my first time.



I rinse the hell outta them. Even considering doing 2 shorter simmers (changing the water in between, because the heat makes it get hella nasty brown)

One thing that helped a lot was letting it dry for a lot longer after simmering, but it still is a tad sticky. I even use gypsum


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Re: Does cracked corn in WBS really cause the stickiness? [Re: silverstem]
    #19263526 - 12/11/13 11:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Cracked corn can be sticky.  I've used it alone as spawn.  It definitely shouldn't be boiled.  And it needs a thorough rinse after soak.  but wbs is usually sticky after soak anyway.  I always wash the hell out of it

don't look too hard at the cracked corn is all I'm saying ...


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Re: Does cracked corn in WBS really cause the stickiness? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #19263527 - 12/11/13 11:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah cracked corn is a mess, try to get your wbs without.


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Re: Does cracked corn in WBS really cause the stickiness? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #19263535 - 12/11/13 11:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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question 2: totally unrelated, but does anyone know what psil. galindoi mycelium looks like? Like obviously its white, but is it typically wispy like pan cyan mycelium?

Because SWIM has some jars and he can't tell if its wispy mycelium or strong cobweb mold.




I found this

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Here ya go!





It can start extremely whispy, these plates are after
numerous transfers.




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Re: Does cracked corn in WBS really cause the stickiness? [Re: death2u]
    #19263537 - 12/11/13 11:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Cracked corn is fine.  Don't worry about it too much.  Just rinse it


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Re: Does cracked corn in WBS really cause the stickiness? [Re: silverstem]
    #19263541 - 12/11/13 11:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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question 2: totally unrelated, but does anyone know what psil. galindoi mycelium looks like? Like obviously its white, but is it typically wispy like pan cyan mycelium?

Because SWIM has some jars and he can't tell if its wispy mycelium or strong cobweb mold.




I found this

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stonesun said:
Here ya go!





It can start extremely whispy, these plates are after
numerous transfers.






wow thank you so much! this eases my mind.

I'm leaning heavily towards mycelium now. which means i FINALLY GOT GALINDOI! WOOP WOOP


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Re: Does cracked corn in WBS really cause the stickiness? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #19263561 - 12/11/13 11:38 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

i gotta get my hands on a Galindoi print.. i heard it takes longer to colonize tho.


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Re: Does cracked corn in WBS really cause the stickiness? [Re: silverstem]
    #19263596 - 12/11/13 11:44 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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i gotta get my hands on a Galindoi print.. i heard it takes longer to colonize tho.



Really? never heard that, just that you need to let it sit longer after its colonized so the sclerotia fan form.

I'll try to remember to let you know how fast my jars get done.

Also heard letting it sit an extra month or two increases potency. but who knows if thats really true.


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Re: Does cracked corn in WBS really cause the stickiness? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #19263676 - 12/11/13 11:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

you should soak your bird seed for at least 12 hours, and then bring to a boil.  as soon as it starts to boil dump it into collander and steam dry.

youre prolly overcooking your seed

they should roll around easily before the pc.  and just need a small shake after the pc


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Re: Does cracked corn in WBS really cause the stickiness? [Re: twistedty]
    #19263690 - 12/12/13 12:01 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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you should soak your bird seed for at least 12 hours, and then bring to a boil.  as soon as it starts to boil dump it into collander and steam dry.

youre prolly overcooking your seed

they should roll around easily before the pc.  and just need a small shake after the pc



yeah i do usually simmer my seed for at least 15 minutes.

I shall try a shorter cook with tomorrows batch!


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Re: Does cracked corn in WBS really cause the stickiness? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #19263713 - 12/12/13 12:06 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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you should soak your bird seed for at least 12 hours, and then bring to a boil.  as soon as it starts to boil dump it into collander and steam dry.

youre prolly overcooking your seed

they should roll around easily before the pc.  and just need a small shake after the pc



yeah i do usually simmer my seed for at least 15 minutes.

I shall try a shorter cook with tomorrows batch!




i cook on high heat until boil and then straight into the collander for few hours stirring occasionally to release steam which drys the grains.

give it a try and let me know what it looks like after it cools from the pc cycle, also soaking with gypsum doesnt hurt :wink:


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Re: Does cracked corn in WBS really cause the stickiness? [Re: twistedty]
    #19263733 - 12/12/13 12:10 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I don't do the boil with wbs.  I just rinse thoroughly, soak for 24 hrs, then air dry.  Load and PC.

the boil thing is just to help the water evaporate off the outside of the wbs right? Its not for hydration...


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Re: Does cracked corn in WBS really cause the stickiness? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #19263783 - 12/12/13 12:22 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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question 2: totally unrelated, but does anyone know what psil. galindoi mycelium looks like? Like obviously its white, but is it typically wispy like pan cyan mycelium?

Because SWIM has some jars and he can't tell if its wispy mycelium or strong cobweb mold.


I'm still waiting for mine to germinate. How long did they take to germinate?


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Re: Does cracked corn in WBS really cause the stickiness? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #19263810 - 12/12/13 12:29 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I've always had an issue with my WBS being a little on the sticky side. Then I read someone saying they thought it was the corn in it that was causing this?

Thoughts or experience?


I'm not convinced it's the corn. When I lay out the WBS to dry on a garbage bag all the sticky seeds are small ones.


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Re: Does cracked corn in WBS really cause the stickiness? [Re: TheApprentice]
    #19263819 - 12/12/13 12:31 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Does cracked corn in WBS really cause the stickiness? [Re: TheApprentice]
    #19263937 - 12/12/13 01:16 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I don't do the boil with wbs.  I just rinse thoroughly, soak for 24 hrs, then air dry.  Load and PC.

the boil thing is just to help the water evaporate off the outside of the wbs right? Its not for hydration...



It is mostly for hydration. according to RR I believe, its the best/easiest way to get the right moisture content.


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Re: Does cracked corn in WBS really cause the stickiness? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #19263986 - 12/12/13 01:31 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I don't do the boil with wbs.  I just rinse thoroughly, soak for 24 hrs, then air dry.  Load and PC.

the boil thing is just to help the water evaporate off the outside of the wbs right? Its not for hydration...



It is mostly for hydration. according to RR I believe, its the best/easiest way to get the right moisture content.




correct you hydrate the inner grain with the boil.  the soak prevents burst grains by "softening" up the grain for the boil.

you arent cooking the birdseed your just heating it up so you can get a nice dry grain via steam.

trust me my wbs turns out perfect this way, no clumping what so ever.


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Re: Does cracked corn in WBS really cause the stickiness? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #19264020 - 12/12/13 01:39 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

As far as ive read it also helps with hydration of the grains to bring to a simmer.

I too use the wbs with cracked corn cause I cant find any whole kernel where I live. The stickiness I think is from the extra starch released during the soak and especially simmer from the cracked corn. Thats why I dont boil mine at all. I bring it to the point where it starts to simmer and immediately drain to a collander for steam drying. Found that it lessens the "stickiness" that way.


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Re: Does cracked corn in WBS really cause the stickiness? [Re: Valyr]
    #19264030 - 12/12/13 01:40 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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As far as ive read it also helps with hydration of the grains to bring to a simmer.

I too use the wbs with cracked corn cause I cant find any whole kernel where I live. The stickiness I think is from the extra starch released during the soak and especially simmer from the cracked corn. Thats why I dont boil mine at all. I bring it to the point where it starts to simmer and immediately drain to a collander for steam drying. Found that it lessens the "stickiness" that way.




yes just get it to a hot enough temp so it will steam dry.


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Re: Does cracked corn in WBS really cause the stickiness? [Re: Valyr]
    #19264211 - 12/12/13 03:45 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

not sure if anyone agrees with me on this one but i rinse with cool water and the so called stick is gone. plus your grain cools down and you can jar it up and pressure cook faster.

i don't see the problem with doing it. you boil/simmer them in tap water so whats wrong with cooling them down and rinsing the starch off with cool tap water?

your going to pressure cook your jars anyway and kill any pathogens. when i first started i tried going the steam dry rout and the sticky starch mucked up my jars and most went bad/sour.

not sure about Rye grain though (RR's version of steam dry). haven't had a chance to use it.


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Re: Does cracked corn in WBS really cause the stickiness? [Re: R0ughHab1tz]
    #19264215 - 12/12/13 03:47 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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not sure if anyone agrees with me on this one but i rinse with cool water and the so called stick is gone. plus your grain cools down and you can jar it up and pressure cook faster.

i don't see the problem with doing it. you boil/simmer them in tap water so whats wrong with cooling them down and rinsing the starch off with cool tap water?

your going to pressure cook your jars anyway and kill any pathogens. when i first started i tried going the steam dry rout and the sticky starch mucked up my jars and most went bad/sour.

not sure about Rye grain though (RR's version of steam dry). haven't had a chance to use it.


everyone has there own way of preparing there substrate. your going to figure out what is best for you.




i tried this and my wbs always got to soggy :shrug:


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Re: Does cracked corn in WBS really cause the stickiness? [Re: twistedty]
    #19264242 - 12/12/13 04:07 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I also rinse my cracked corn WBS after a soak, and I so not simmer or boil because I found that it did make mine too sticky.  just 24 hour soak and drain till no drips, then lay out on screen or paper towels with fan blowing over top.  one of those small room heaters that blows the heat with a fan works  really well for drying grains, and drying shrooms (if u have no dehydrator).  Ive since moved to no corn WBS and like it more, but it does require a simmer after the soak i found.  Now I'm experimenting with a no soak/no simmer method because I got pressed for time.  a little less than 2:1 ratio grain to water in jars (less water, by 20 ml about), PC 70 min then SHAKE LIKE HELL.  growth looking good, but only one jar tested so far.
so many grain prep teks..just gotta try one that works for you and ur brand of WBS.
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Re: Does cracked corn in WBS really cause the stickiness? [Re: blindingleaf]
    #19265161 - 12/12/13 10:30 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah I don't like rinsing after simmer. I want the outside of the seed to be dry


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Re: Does cracked corn in WBS really cause the stickiness? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #19265301 - 12/12/13 11:18 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Hey, guys.. I don't mean to invade your thread, but you all seem like grain experts and no one has replied to my thread, and I have the grains soaking right now so I'm in need of an an answer, ASAP: so, I normally purchase the economy bag of wild bird feed at Walmart, but they were out of stock so I purchased ''Hartz Medium Bird Feed'' . It contains: White millet, red millet, sunflower seeds, canary grass seed, cracked corn, oat groats, red mill, ground corn, a few other things.. Will it suffice as a colonitory medium for cubensis?



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Re: Does cracked corn in WBS really cause the stickiness? [Re: Pr0m3theus]
    #19265327 - 12/12/13 11:26 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

it will be fine proceed as normal, add gypsum to your soak and for the record the simmer does help with hydration but with wbs it's not a big factor, many people skip the simmer with no issues


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Re: Does cracked corn in WBS really cause the stickiness? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #19265832 - 12/12/13 01:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Yeah I don't like rinsing after simmer. I want the outside of the seed to be dry





rinsing after the boil is pointless, you bring to boil to dry it.

im not wasting my time with a hair dryer or space heater to dry it.


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Re: Does cracked corn in WBS really cause the stickiness? [Re: twistedty]
    #19265929 - 12/12/13 01:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Does cracked corn in WBS really cause the stickiness? [Re: silverstem]
    #19266476 - 12/12/13 03:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

i simmer if there is no corn products in it.  with corn, I just soak 20-24 hours, air dry while I'm sleeping...if ur not in a mad rush to use, no worries on the blow dryer/whatever else ppl use.  the simmer does help to dry while it steams I agree, but IME with cracked corn, it gets sticky icky with a simmer.  I like my weed sticky, not my grains, but everyones prep is different, and as long as they work..  :shrug:

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Re: Does cracked corn in WBS really cause the stickiness? [Re: twistedty]
    #19267633 - 12/12/13 07:53 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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not sure if anyone agrees with me on this one but i rinse with cool water and the so called stick is gone. plus your grain cools down and you can jar it up and pressure cook faster.

i don't see the problem with doing it. you boil/simmer them in tap water so whats wrong with cooling them down and rinsing the starch off with cool tap water?

your going to pressure cook your jars anyway and kill any pathogens. when i first started i tried going the steam dry rout and the sticky starch mucked up my jars and most went bad/sour.

not sure about Rye grain though (RR's version of steam dry). haven't had a chance to use it.


everyone has there own way of preparing there substrate. your going to figure out what is best for you.




i tried this and my wbs always got to soggy :shrug:




that's weird. i have never had any problems with soggy WBS after rinsing.

seems like everyone has there own way of preparation the OP will have to try a bunch of things and get back to us :tongue:


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Re: Does cracked corn in WBS really cause the stickiness? [Re: R0ughHab1tz]
    #19268013 - 12/12/13 08:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I had picked up a bag of wild finch food the other month.  Excellent source of millet.  However there is hulled sunflower chips as an ingredient.  The hot water soak causes them to get like jelly.  I found that swirling the water in the bucket and decanting removes almost all of it after about 4 dumps.  The removed mass had a consistency of gravy.

Because everyone else has added:

I soak 18-24 hours in hot tap water.  I strain for a few hours, then jar it up.  So far so good.


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Re: Does cracked corn in WBS really cause the stickiness? [Re: HypnotoadCroaked]
    #19276982 - 12/14/13 11:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Good news all. I tried the boiling it for not long at all and I really like how it came out. Didn't even try picking out much of the corn yet.

But yeah, not clumpy at allll. And I put the gypsum in only for the simmer since I forgot it during the soak. Maybe that helped??


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Re: Does cracked corn in WBS really cause the stickiness? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #19277135 - 12/14/13 11:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Dont listen to me
When i start on my WBS. im going to rinse it, and sterilize it. No removal of anything whatsoever. maybe staw.


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Re: Does cracked corn in WBS really cause the stickiness? [Re: fractaldill]
    #19277162 - 12/15/13 12:00 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Dont listen to me
When i start on my WBS. im going to rinse it, and sterilize it. No removal of anything whatsoever. maybe staw.



lol, why dude? Why skip so many steps on purpose?


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Re: Does cracked corn in WBS really cause the stickiness? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #19277175 - 12/15/13 12:03 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I personally think it doesn't matter. grain is grain. as long as its sterilized it should be good. im starting the new year off with wbs. im so sick of paying 1$+ a lb. i found wbs at 20$ for 40lbs. so im going to make the most of it...

edit. im going to let it dry off of course


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Re: Does cracked corn in WBS really cause the stickiness? [Re: fractaldill]
    #19277225 - 12/15/13 12:14 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I personally think it doesn't matter. grain is grain. as long as its sterilized it should be good. im starting the new year off with wbs. im so sick of paying 1$+ a lb. i found wbs at 20$ for 40lbs. so im going to make the most of it...

edit. im going to let it dry off of course



at ace hardware I found 20 pound bags for 8 bucks! I was stoked.

Sometimes theres a tiny amount of weird kitty litter like stuff. But just a tiny amount :lol:


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Re: Does cracked corn in WBS really cause the stickiness? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #19277317 - 12/15/13 12:42 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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fractaldill said:
I personally think it doesn't matter. grain is grain. as long as its sterilized it should be good. im starting the new year off with wbs. im so sick of paying 1$+ a lb. i found wbs at 20$ for 40lbs. so im going to make the most of it...

edit. im going to let it dry off of course



at ace hardware I found 20 pound bags for 8 bucks! I was stoked.

Sometimes theres a tiny amount of weird kitty litter like stuff. But just a tiny amount :lol:




That kitty litter stuff is calcium phosphate or w/e its called


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Re: Does cracked corn in WBS really cause the stickiness? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #19277320 - 12/15/13 12:42 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Good news all. I tried the boiling it for not long at all and I really like how it came out. Didn't even try picking out much of the corn yet.

But yeah, not clumpy at allll. And I put the gypsum in only for the simmer since I forgot it during the soak. Maybe that helped??





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Re: Does cracked corn in WBS really cause the stickiness? [Re: twistedty]
    #19277417 - 12/15/13 01:18 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I use wbs with no corn rins the hell out of it, skim out the floaters then add 10%-20% popcorn. I find popcorn helps to break up the wbs it allso taks longer to hydrate so it will pick up any excess moisture during PCing. Then soak for no less than 24 hours, rinse one more time, add a small  amount of gypsum, simmer for 10 mins and lay out to dry. Since I started adding popcorn iv had no problems with sticky grains or wet spot.


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Re: Does cracked corn in WBS really cause the stickiness? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #19278714 - 12/15/13 10:48 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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rbalzer said:
Good news all. I tried the boiling it for not long at all and I really like how it came out. Didn't even try picking out much of the corn yet.

But yeah, not clumpy at allll. And I put the gypsum in only for the simmer since I forgot it during the soak. Maybe that helped??





Awesome and congrats man :smile:. I dont know about the gypsum myself yet so I cant comment but glad you got one more step down :smile:.


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Re: Does cracked corn in WBS really cause the stickiness? [Re: Valyr]
    #19286945 - 12/17/13 02:41 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I just realized something. I think my string of bad luck a few months ago, when everything I did contaminated. I think it may have been because my jars only had polyfil filters. And I inoculated right through them

Soon as my self healing injection ports and SFD's get here maybe my rates will improve :grin:


Now all I need is to dial in my bulk substrate better, and get some decent isolates made. I dunno if I'm repeating myself from earlier in the thread, but listing things like this helps me.


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Re: Does cracked corn in WBS really cause the stickiness? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #19287414 - 12/17/13 07:06 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

iso's r the jim jam!  have u tried using poly as filter, but making an RTV hole?  I say SFD all the way if u already ordered them, but poly works well for many ppl with an additional small hole filled with RTV silicone.


http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14186384#14186384

just mod the polyfill in instead of SFD (or use this when u get the SFD)

I wanna link u to a frank jar prep page as well, but can't find one. looking at his WBS prep page though, the jar lids look like TL's, but with the one piece plastic instead of 2 part metal ring.  hope this helps!


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