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Re: WTF! No VEIL?! PICS [Re: Tmethyl]
    #19261407 - 12/11/13 05:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Upon closer inspection I would conclude this as being from over misting, the stipes were fully developing and had a ways to go, the caps were very immature when opening up to sporulate(a last resort, triggered by being too wet)

I'm basing this completely off experience. This is my own grow which was over misted and resulted in the same way as yours has. (later flushes were very well)





I agree with you here but wouldnt you say that it might also be in part to having 2 much FAE as well? If they got 2 much FAE they wouldn't have ever had time to really hold much water resulting in longer thin stipes and small immature caps.

Just a passing thought though, correct me if Im wrong!

I'd put my trays like that in a mono if I were u. I'm doing them the exact same way and 2 trays fits a 66qt tub just perfectly :smile: Holds easily 98+% RH and no fanning our anything is really necessary. Set and wait... after making sure the FAE is at an appropriate level of course!


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Re: WTF! No VEIL?! PICS [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19261451 - 12/11/13 05:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

here are all 4 trays ATM:

       

       
I guess that i just got carried away with the misting and fanning once i saw ALL THOSE PINS.
Lesson learned...kinda. (how much is too much?)

After i get all the little mushrooms i can see off the cake, should let the entire cakes soak in running water to hydrate them?


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Re: WTF! No VEIL?! PICS [Re: Mosey3012]
    #19261480 - 12/11/13 05:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I'd put my trays like that in a mono if I were u. I'm doing them the exact same way and 2 trays fits a 66qt tub just perfectly :smile: Holds easily 98+% RH and no fanning our anything is really necessary. Set and wait... after making sure the FAE is at an appropriate level of course!




how many and how big are your polly fill holes in a 66qt tub? you think i could hydrate these cakes after this harvest and throw them in a mono tub for the next flushes?


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Re: WTF! No VEIL?! PICS [Re: Vis0nairee]
    #19261487 - 12/11/13 05:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

when you mist you should wait for the moisture to evaporate before misting again, dunk it for a couple hours fully submerged


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Re: WTF! No VEIL?! PICS [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19261498 - 12/11/13 05:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

so should i use a knife and cut them off as they mature. (there are so many small pins that havent matured)


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Re: WTF! No VEIL?! PICS [Re: Vis0nairee]
    #19261518 - 12/11/13 05:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

yep, i snip the caps off mine till the rest are ready


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Re: WTF! No VEIL?! PICS [Re: cronicr]
    #19261555 - 12/11/13 05:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I dont have any extra casing substrate. so i wont be able to patch any holes. will this a major problem?


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Re: WTF! No VEIL?! PICS [Re: Tmethyl]
    #19261561 - 12/11/13 05:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Upon closer inspection I would conclude this as being from over misting, the stipes were fully developing and had a ways to go, the caps were very immature when opening up to sporulate(a last resort, triggered by being too wet)

I'm basing this completely off experience. This is my own grow which was over misted and resulted in the same way as yours has. (later flushes were very well)






Good to see you back in cultivation, Tmethyl.  You were missed.

Just to get you back in the swing of things, I think I'll disagree with you immediately.  While your picture is clearly of overmisted fruits, OP's are lacking a veil completely and the ones in your picture (and ones I've over-misted as well) still have one that just ruptures prematurely.  My money's on genetics, and I think OP should wait until he sees spores.


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Re: WTF! No VEIL?! PICS [Re: Psilicon]
    #19261593 - 12/11/13 05:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Good to see you back in cultivation, Tmethyl.  You were missed.

Just to get you back in the swing of things, I think I'll disagree with you immediately.  While your picture is clearly of overmisted fruits, OP's are lacking a veil completely and the ones in your picture (and ones I've over-misted as well) still have one that just ruptures prematurely.  My money's on genetics, and I think OP should wait until he sees spores.





The thing is, a lot of the mushrooms appeared to emerge from the casing layer without a viel. As seen in this pic from 2 days ago:


So idk if i should harvest these little guys or wait...


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Re: WTF! No VEIL?! PICS [Re: Vis0nairee]
    #19261601 - 12/11/13 05:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

If i was OVER MISTING so much than why wouldnt ANY of the pins be rotten?


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Re: WTF! No VEIL?! PICS [Re: Vis0nairee]
    #19261643 - 12/11/13 05:44 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

It's actually kind of tough to make your fruits rot.


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Re: WTF! No VEIL?! PICS [Re: Psilicon]
    #19261880 - 12/11/13 06:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

almost look like a PE's in a way...very nice first grow


Edited by Clever_You (12/11/13 08:28 PM)


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Re: WTF! No VEIL?! PICS [Re: Clever_You]
    #19261894 - 12/11/13 06:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I had a recent casing that had 200+ shrooms on the first flush.. about 30 of em turned out like this and did not get any bigger...


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Re: WTF! No VEIL?! PICS [Re: SamhainJ]
    #19261975 - 12/11/13 06:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

nice first grow bro!  :ruggedwink:


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Re: WTF! No VEIL?! PICS [Re: cronicr]
    #19262479 - 12/11/13 08:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Okay guys,
Heres the plan:

Harvest EVERYTHING tomorrow
Hydrate with distilled water and a little h202 in trays. Refrigerate over night.
Remove any small pins that may be left. (had an awesome pinset:rolleyes:)
Remove casing "cake" from tray and place each in their own mini mono tub w/ a couple polyfil holes.

Too bad this first flush didnt work out too well :um: ... but i have my fingers crossed for their 2nd and 3rd flushes.
Hopefully the monotub will eliminate the over misting issues.


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Re: WTF! No VEIL?! PICS [Re: Vis0nairee]
    #19262494 - 12/11/13 08:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

use tap not distilled and no h202 or fridge, and only remove the pins if there aborts, that might be your second flush and dunk times will very depending on your sub mix, there really would be no need to remove them from the trays either, just toss the trays inside


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Re: WTF! No VEIL?! PICS [Re: cronicr]
    #19262517 - 12/11/13 08:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: WTF! No VEIL?! PICS [Re: cronicr]
    #19262593 - 12/11/13 08:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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use tap not distilled and no h202 or fridge, and only remove the pins if there aborts, that might be your second flush and dunk times will very depending on your sub mix, there really would be no need to remove them from the trays either, just toss the trays inside





Thanks a lot Cronicr, advice taken :takingnotes:

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trays in a mono:thumbup:




AWESOME! :smile:


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Re: WTF! No VEIL?! PICS [Re: Vis0nairee]
    #19262602 - 12/11/13 08:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

:cool:


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Re: WTF! No VEIL?! PICS [Re: cronicr]
    #19262652 - 12/11/13 08:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I would say leave them alone for a bit.  I've had one mushroom pop out of a cake with no veil, open like the ones pictured, and continue growing to a normal size.


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