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US Military pride, arrogance and condescending attitudes towards civilians
    #19261285 - 12/11/13 04:47 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I'm probably going to catch A LOT of flack for this, but here goes nothin...

Anyone else get kinda irked when, for example, you go on Facebook and on your newsfeed is a kid from highschool who joined the military, and he's posted some shitty meme about how much harder it is to be in the military and how easy us civilians have it?

Idk man, I'm biased because I myself had military ambitions back in the day but was turned off to the idea before leaving highschool. I just don't agree with the shit our country gets involved with. It all seems so sketchy, like there are underlying agendas to every operation. I don't want to throw my life away to such a cause, and I don't want to kill any Iraqis, I got no problem with those people.

But this is also sort of why it irks me to see so much militaristic pride. Are they not paying attention? Are they that caught up in a romanticism of being in the army? I understand the sacrifices made, but for what exactly? Sometimes I can't tell if people are truly fighting for their country or their egos.

Now I have two cousins in the marines and neither are like this, but I know two other guys with a bad case of "I'm in the military salute me as I walk by cause I've been through so much." Like fuck man, the marines and the army will take almost anyone! I can sign up and do exactly what you did right now if I chose! But if I went to Iraq I'd be going against a huge part of myself that thinks this war is a waste.

Also lemme just say I'm not totally insensitive. I apologize if you've lost anyone dear to you in combat, I know they're not all like this.


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Re: US Military pride, arrogance and condescending attitudes towards civilians [Re: jimboob] * 2
    #19261294 - 12/11/13 04:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I understand the sacrifices made, but for what exactly?




so that nobody comes and kills you, which they would.  very quickly.


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Re: US Military pride, arrogance and condescending attitudes towards civilians [Re: NWlight] * 1
    #19261308 - 12/11/13 04:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I have plenty of friends and family in the military and none of them are arrogant


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Re: US Military pride, arrogance and condescending attitudes towards civilians [Re: NWlight]
    #19261315 - 12/11/13 04:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I understand the sacrifices made, but for what exactly?




so that nobody comes and kills you, which they would.  very quickly.



Bull shit, no one we're currently fighting is/was going to come over here and do shit.


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Re: US Military pride, arrogance and condescending attitudes towards civilians [Re: TrentBoyett]
    #19261326 - 12/11/13 04:53 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Ive thought about enlisting, get paid to work out and shoot guns isn't bad


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Re: US Military pride, arrogance and condescending attitudes towards civilians [Re: Mescalean]
    #19261329 - 12/11/13 04:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

(Lol sorry quoted wrong dude)

Who exactly is going to come to my house and kill me?


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Re: US Military pride, arrogance and condescending attitudes towards civilians [Re: jimboob]
    #19261343 - 12/11/13 04:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Mostly it's the hard workouts. Very few military personal see combat these days. While I think it could be an interesting experience, I doubt it's all it's cut out to be.


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Re: US Military pride, arrogance and condescending attitudes towards civilians [Re: TrentBoyett]
    #19261350 - 12/11/13 04:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Mescalean said:
I have plenty of friends and family in the military and none of them are arrogant



this

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mjmihalov said:
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NWlight said:
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I understand the sacrifices made, but for what exactly?




so that nobody comes and kills you, which they would.  very quickly.



Bull shit, no one we're currently fighting is/was going to come over here and do shit.



so you say nobody we're currently fighting.  what about people we already fought?  should we only have a military when there is an imminent threat to our freedom?

also yes, if we had zero military other countries would invade the fuck out of us, (see history as reference)


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Re: US Military pride, arrogance and condescending attitudes towards civilians [Re: jimboob]
    #19261373 - 12/11/13 05:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

The military is just a big fucking welfare scam. They don't contribute a fucking thing to society.


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    #19261383 - 12/11/13 05:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

every society since the beginning of time had warriors.

we have the most badass ones, that's all

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Re: US Military pride, arrogance and condescending attitudes towards civilians [Re: NWlight]
    #19261391 - 12/11/13 05:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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NWlight said:
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mjmihalov said:
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NWlight said:
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I understand the sacrifices made, but for what exactly?




so that nobody comes and kills you, which they would.  very quickly.



Bull shit, no one we're currently fighting is/was going to come over here and do shit.



so you say nobody we're currently fighting.  what about people we already fought?  should we only have a military when there is an imminent threat to our freedom?

also yes, if we had zero military other countries would invade the fuck out of us, (see history as reference)



Maybe peoble back in the day, great britian, soviet union, Germany, etc...

No, I'm saying we should only use it when it is a necessity.


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Re: US Military pride, arrogance and condescending attitudes towards civilians [Re: NWlight]
    #19261395 - 12/11/13 05:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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NWlight said:
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Mescalean said:
I have plenty of friends and family in the military and none of them are arrogant



this

Quote:

mjmihalov said:
Quote:

NWlight said:
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I understand the sacrifices made, but for what exactly?




so that nobody comes and kills you, which they would.  very quickly.



Bull shit, no one we're currently fighting is/was going to come over here and do shit.



so you say nobody we're currently fighting.  what about people we already fought?  should we only have a military when there is an imminent threat to our freedom?

also yes, if we had zero military other countries would invade the fuck out of us, (see history as reference)




Right, but if that was all there was to it I'd be in the marines too, but this is not the case today. We are the invaders now.

I smell an ugly thread, might just close this


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Re: US Military pride, arrogance and condescending attitudes towards civilians [Re: NWlight]
    #19261402 - 12/11/13 05:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It's called fascism its harsh to my mell brah-1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized government headed by a leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition 2 : a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control <early instances of army fascism and brutality

This is a little something I wrote up when I got mad one day-This is what i think about this illegal war that was started by the war criminal George W. Bush. Article 1, section 8, clause 11 of the united states constitution states congress shall have power to declare war.

In 1973 congress passed the war powers resolution act which requires the president to obtain either a declaration of war or a resolution authorizing use of force from congress within sixty days of initializing hostilities with full disclosure of facts.

Yes, bush got the senate to pass the IWR in October 16, 2002 an entire 356 days after the first boots hit the ground. The problem with this is the lee, spratt, byrd, levin, durbin amendments to the IWR states that we are to aid the UN in finding weapons of mass destruction, long range missiles and manufacturing such weapons and that no other authorization is given regarding Iraq.

After finding no such weapons we remained in Iraq. I have no problems with the troops we all have family, friends and loved one which we are deeply grateful for their services they are just doing as their leaders told them to do. Due to the anger the American people and military had after the 911 attacks led to some horrendous behavior by some of our troops.

The Mahudiyah killing are the murder of an Iraqi father, mother, and two daughter the eldest 14 which was gang raped by five united states army soldiers in the 502nd infantry regiment, this is just one of many. Staff SGT Robert Bales murder of 16 civilians including 9 children which later stated he thought he was doing the "right thing". The CRS report to congress states an estimated 86,661-94,558 civilian casualties due to military action as of August 22, 2008.

Now lets go back to September 10th one day before the attacks. Donald Rumsfeld came out and reported to the american people that our government had lost 2,300,000,000,000 dollars.

The day after we had the Twin Towers hit by two commercial airliners that soon fell in what appeared to be a controlled demolition. Now this is the kicker, World Trade Center 7 which was not hit by a plane and which held many of the United States financial documents also fell in a controlled demolition.

Now lets look back a little further at Osama Bin Laden. Osama Bin Laden was a CIA asset in the 80s he was armed by the CIA and funded by the Saudis to wage jihad against the Russian occupation of Afghanistan which was used as some sort of proxy war with America and Russia.

What about Osama Bin Ladens brother Salem bin Laden, Osamas older brother was an investor in Arbusto Energy the Texas oil company started by non-other than  George W. Bush. Salem later died in a plane crash in Texas. Now it makes sense why the planes were used on the World Trade Centers, it was how George W. Bush covers his tracks.

After we go to war and destroy a nation who gets a no-bid contract to rebuild this nation? None other than the Vice President of the United States of America, Dick Cheney. Halliburton got the contract and made millions for Dick Cheney and George W. Bush made millions off this war as well.

This is a corrupt set of people that continue to attempt to have their families set into places of political power. Liz Cheney is going to run for senate in 2014 and I'm sure it will be an attempt to keep money flowing to her family just as the Bush family has done.

I understand that they are just doing what is right but it's not. Too much death due to Americas actions in the war. We have too much corruption in our government everything even down to our income tax is an illegal. The war on drugs is corrupt, the war itself, privatized prisons, race wars, class warfare. This is all a ploy to keep the American people divided. The worst fear of a prison warden is the inmate population rising up in one voice and that's what our government fears.

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Re: US Military pride, arrogance and condescending attitudes towards civilians [Re: TrentBoyett] * 1
    #19261403 - 12/11/13 05:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

what does that have to do with not understanding the purpose of sacrifices made by the military?


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I smell an ugly thread, might just close this



you made a thread criticizing a huge group of people and surprised when you get some crossfire?

people aren't even being rude lol


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Re: US Military pride, arrogance and condescending attitudes towards civilians [Re: NWlight]
    #19261423 - 12/11/13 05:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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what does that have to do with not understanding the purpose of sacrifices made by the military?



Nearly every war we've entered in modern times, including WWII, we entered under false pretenses, that's all I'm saying.


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Re: US Military pride, arrogance and condescending attitudes towards civilians [Re: NWlight]
    #19261437 - 12/11/13 05:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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every society since the beginning of time had warriors.

we have the most badass ones, that's all

buncha haters



Yeah duh, and ideally those warriors were noble and modest and knew exactly what they were fighting for. I'm not saying we shouldn't have a military dude...actually read my post

I'm talkin maybe we should have some serious modesty training so we don't see so many marines pissing on dead bodies and making naked POW pyramids


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Re: US Military pride, arrogance and condescending attitudes towards civilians [Re: jimboob]
    #19261454 - 12/11/13 05:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Heh that last post came out wrong, by "so many" I meant those two instances I saw in the news


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Re: US Military pride, arrogance and condescending attitudes towards civilians [Re: jimboob]
    #19261462 - 12/11/13 05:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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NWlight said:
every society since the beginning of time had warriors.

we have the most badass ones, that's all

buncha haters



Yeah duh, and ideally those warriors were noble and modest and knew exactly what they were fighting for. I'm not saying we shouldn't have a military dude...actually read my post

I'm talkin maybe we should have some serious modesty training so we don't see so many marines pissing on dead bodies and making naked POW pyramids



if you were in a situation where you were killing a group of people with a rifle you'd get pretty callous too... I'm surprised this kind of stuff doesn't happen more often actually.  you have to completely demonize them in your mind to rationalize it and live with yourself.  There's a lot of psychological preparation for war.


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Re: US Military pride, arrogance and condescending attitudes towards civilians [Re: NWlight]
    #19261475 - 12/11/13 05:14 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

like what are they so proud of?

being the govt's pawns in their grand scheme of selfish acts?

for being brainwashed and trained not to think for yourself?

i would move to canada before i "fight" for my country


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Re: US Military pride, arrogance and condescending attitudes towards civilians [Re: jimboob]
    #19261483 - 12/11/13 05:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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jimboob said:
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NWlight said:
every society since the beginning of time had warriors.

we have the most badass ones, that's all

buncha haters



Yeah duh, and ideally those warriors were noble and modest and knew exactly what they were fighting for. I'm not saying we shouldn't have a military dude...actually read my post

I'm talkin maybe we should have some serious modesty training so we don't see so many marines pissing on dead bodies and making naked POW pyramids





:ilold:



:nyan:



serious modesty training,  LOL!


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    #19261486 - 12/11/13 05:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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like what are they so proud of?

being the govt's pawns in their grand scheme of selfish acts?

for being brainwashed and trained not to think for yourself?

i would move to canada before i "fight" for my country




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    #19261494 - 12/11/13 05:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

The soldier does not have evil intent. The leader. Most of our military do it because they believe in giving back to a country that gave to them.

Not bad people at all in my book. And soldiers do wake up. Gonna find a vid real quick


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    #19261502 - 12/11/13 05:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

like i do appreciate that people risk their lives for us, obviously

i respect the people who do it tho, but not the people who run it

i just think being in the military is being part of the problem


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Re: US Military pride, arrogance and condescending attitudes towards civilians [Re: TrentBoyett]
    #19261508 - 12/11/13 05:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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what does that have to do with not understanding the purpose of sacrifices made by the military?



Nearly every war we've entered in modern times, including WWII, we entered under false pretenses, that's all I'm saying.



:pokerawe:

touche.  But i don't think it has any bearing on the personality of military personnel


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Re: US Military pride, arrogance and condescending attitudes towards civilians [Re: NWlight]
    #19261539 - 12/11/13 05:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Most member of the US military I've came across were either arrogant, racist, sexist, beat their wives/children, or a combination of a few of them things.


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Re: US Military pride, arrogance and condescending attitudes towards civilians [Re: NWlight]
    #19261547 - 12/11/13 05:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Ted Bundy had a great personality when he wasn't killing people.


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You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

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I disendorse you.[/quote]


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Re: US Military pride, arrogance and condescending attitudes towards civilians [Re: TrentBoyett]
    #19261550 - 12/11/13 05:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Most member of the US military I've came across were either arrogant, racist, sexist, beat their wives/children, or a combination of a few of them things.





yeah bc their fucked in the head on a very serious level

marines are always the sickest fucks


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