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    #19259955 - 12/11/13 12:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Hi guys,

these jars were inoculated with GLC(left) around 2 weeks and a half ago, have never been shaken so I'm wondering if at this point is worth a shake since they are 90+ % colonized. Any benefit to shake them at this point, or should i let them finish colonization without shake?



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Re: should I shake these? PIC [Re: loki44]
    #19260264 - 12/11/13 01:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Disclaimer: I am by no means an expert :smile:

But I thought the whole idea behind shaking was to spread the mycelium around, thus speeding up the process of colonization. So I believe that shaking your jars at such an advanced point of colonization would have little to no effect. Beautiful jars though!


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Re: should I shake these? PIC [Re: ShroominShaman]
    #19260334 - 12/11/13 02:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

the reason I didn't shake them was to sort of slow them down because I have another batch that I inoculated at a later date and I wanted to catch up with my first batch(9 jars first batch and 5 second batch),they are 2 weeks apart. I don't think is happening


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Re: should I shake these? PIC [Re: loki44]
    #19260345 - 12/11/13 02:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

those things will be finished pretty dam quick, i think a shake may just slow ya down at this point


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Re: should I shake these? PIC [Re: cronicr]
    #19260384 - 12/11/13 02:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Just let them finish as-is.


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Re: should I shake these? PIC [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #19260391 - 12/11/13 02:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

id shake the one on the right fo sho :shrug:


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Re: should I shake these? PIC [Re: twistedty]
    #19260524 - 12/11/13 02:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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id shake the one on the right fo sho :shrug:



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Re: should I shake these? PIC [Re: cronicr]
    #19261121 - 12/11/13 04:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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those things will be finished pretty dam quick, i think a shake may just slow ya down at this point




welp, maybe then I'll shake them, since I'm trying to close the gap between 2 batch of jars inoculated 2 weeks apart, how long would it take to recover on average?These are my first grains so not much experience


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Re: should I shake these? PIC [Re: loki44]
    #19261337 - 12/11/13 04:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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those things will be finished pretty dam quick, i think a shake may just slow ya down at this point




welp, maybe then I'll shake them, since I'm trying to close the gap between 2 batch of jars inoculated 2 weeks apart, how long would it take to recover on average?These are my first grains so not much experience




If you shake those I bet it would take 2-3 days for them to be 100% and ready to use then you'll want to shake them again. Post a pic if you shake them after 24 and 48 hours.


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Re: should I shake these? PIC [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19261349 - 12/11/13 04:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

in the time it takes to recover they probly would have finished anyway, then your just gonna break them up again but it's a prefrence thing i guess


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Re: should I shake these? PIC [Re: TheCyndicate]
    #19261359 - 12/11/13 04:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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id shake the one on the right fo sho :shrug:



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and I would shake just to make sure they recover in 24 hours or so, to see if u might have some sort of contamination...

I had hidden contams on my jars the last couple runs...picked up that little trick on these forums.


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Re: should I shake these? PIC [Re: TheApprentice]
    #19261367 - 12/11/13 04:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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and I would shake just to make sure they recover in 24 hours or so, to see if u might have some sort of contamination...

I had hidden contams on my jars the last couple runs...picked up that little trick on these forums.



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Re: should I shake these? PIC [Re: TheApprentice]
    #19262081 - 12/11/13 07:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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id shake the one on the right fo sho :shrug:



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and I would shake just to make sure they recover in 24 hours or so, to see if u might have some sort of contamination...

I had hidden contams on my jars the last couple runs...picked up that little trick on these forums.




That makes sense. I will shake them, however I also inoculated 13 brf jars with the same GLC and they all 100% colonized already with no contams, so should be ok.

Should they be pasty white in 24-48 hours after the shaking?


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Re: should I shake these? PIC [Re: loki44]
    #19262161 - 12/11/13 07:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Yes, if not then. . .


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Re: should I shake these? PIC [Re: loki44]
    #19262172 - 12/11/13 07:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Should they be pasty white in 24-48 hours after the shaking?



pasty came about 9 months after "shaking" took place:laugh2:


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Re: should I shake these? PIC [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19262198 - 12/11/13 07:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Yes, if not then. . .




if not they still going into the monotub anyways lol


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Re: should I shake these? PIC [Re: loki44]
    #19262228 - 12/11/13 07:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I would say closer to 48 to recover fully.  I do my g2g's and shake at ~90% just to make sure there are no contaminates.


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Re: should I shake these? PIC [Re: cronicr]
    #19262262 - 12/11/13 07:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Should they be pasty white in 24-48 hours after the shaking?



pasty came about 9 months after "shaking" took place:laugh2:




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Re: should I shake these? PIC [Re: dodgem]
    #19262280 - 12/11/13 07:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Personally, I'd allow them to colonize ALL grains. I'm facing the same dilemna with spawn bags. It actually really isnt a dilemna as the bags were shaken at 30%, now I just wait.

BEFORE spawning to bulk, when at 100%, you could shake them to give the myc a day or two head start. By the time you spawn to bulk, a day or two later, the myc is looking nice and sexy.

But yeah, I'd just wait it out until 100% is colonized.


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Re: should I shake these? PIC [Re: dodgem]
    #19262286 - 12/11/13 07:44 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It would just be a waste of the myc's limited energy at this point.


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Re: should I shake these? PIC [Re: etdxx]
    #19262326 - 12/11/13 07:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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BEFORE spawning to bulk, when at 100%, you could shake them to give the myc a day or two head start. By the time you spawn to bulk, a day or two later, the myc is looking nice and sexy.

But yeah, I'd just wait it out until 100% is colonized.



:awkwardconfusion:...that makes no sense to me


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Re: should I shake these? PIC [Re: cronicr]
    #19262550 - 12/11/13 08:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

ie:
If spawning to bulk on 12/25, break up grains on 12/23. When its time to spawn, myc has already recovered.

Going back to the topic at hand, do not break up jar at 90% to colonize the last 10%. Wait until 100% then go from there.

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Re: should I shake these? PIC [Re: etdxx]
    #19262575 - 12/11/13 08:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

no i'm not happy:laugh2:
y make it recover twice:shrug:


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Re: should I shake these? PIC [Re: cronicr]
    #19262599 - 12/11/13 08:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I had read a while back about some people who thought that by letting the myc spend a day recovering before spawning it would speed up the spawn run or something, but I just wrote it off as BS when I saw it. IMO if you want your spawn run to get an extra days jump, dunk the spawn before mixing, works great.


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Re: should I shake these? PIC [Re: cronicr]
    #19262659 - 12/11/13 08:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

LOL, you obviously dont get what I'm saying... I never recommended breaking up the grain twice.

@Pastywhyte - it works wonders. Breaking up grain in advance + dunking = turbo myc, so to speak.


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Re: should I shake these? PIC [Re: etdxx]
    #19262672 - 12/11/13 08:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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LOL, you obviously dont get what I'm saying... I never recommended breaking up the grain twice.

Pastywhyte takes the cake on this one - dead on.




That may be, but I don't recommend anyone try this, you want a fast recovery time, dunk your grains :awesomenod:


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Re: should I shake these? PIC [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19262693 - 12/11/13 08:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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LOL, you obviously dont get what I'm saying... I never recommended breaking up the grain twice.

@Pastywhyte - it works wonders. Breaking up grain in advance + dunking = turbo myc, so to speak.



i completely understand what your saying, shake-wait a couple days-spawn, but it will recover in those couple days then your gonna break it all up again to spawn it, if it works for ya then great but
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That may be, but I don't recommend anyone try this, you want a fast recovery time, dunk your grains :awesomenod:



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Re: should I shake these? PIC [Re: cronicr]
    #19262725 - 12/11/13 08:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I suppose where we disagree is the notion behind whether or not you're "breaking it up again" when spawning it. I wouldn't recommend waiting until myc "reconnects" (3-4 days) - in 2 days, it simply starts growing again but there is nothing to "break up" after just a day or two... That's why I don't believe the myc is really being disturbed... just my opinion.

No biggie - I've been breaking grains 24hr before the dunk n' spawn, then boom add to sub. Not much different than what everyone else is doing. Thanks for the discussion, fellas:thumbup:!


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    #19262728 - 12/11/13 08:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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    #19262746 - 12/11/13 09:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

if you dunk your grains before spawning , aren't you wiping out some of the mycelium from the surface of the grains, how is that a positive when you are decreasing the mycelium biomass that goes into your bulk substrate :confused:


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    #19262769 - 12/11/13 09:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Oh boy, there's a huge thread started by Frank himself. The theory is the water lost during colonization is replenished during the dunk.


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    #19262828 - 12/11/13 09:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah you may lose some but what remains is supercharged by the dunk and easily outpaces grains that are not dunked.


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    #19262927 - 12/11/13 09:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Yeah you may lose some but what remains is supercharged by the dunk and easily outpaces grains that are not dunked.





are you sure this works with cubes? I checked the OP in that thread and he is using another species. I just shook the jars and I couldn't help but notice that the grains are dry as fuck, like i couldn't see any moisture anywhere...


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    #19262938 - 12/11/13 09:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Should they be pasty white in 24-48 hours after the shaking?



pasty came about 9 months after "shaking" took place:laugh2:





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    #19262951 - 12/11/13 09:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Yeah you may lose some but what remains is supercharged by the dunk and easily outpaces grains that are not dunked.





are you sure this works with cubes? I checked the OP in that thread and he is using another species. I just shook the jars and I couldn't help but notice that the grains are dry as fuck, like i couldn't see any moisture anywhere...





Bud, thats a 56 page thread - plenty of results to get your head around. No way the moderators would let a thread go 56 pages if it didn't add value to the message boards. Sounds like you're skeptical - read up the first 10 pages and you'll be convinced. Guaranteed or your money back.


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    #19263122 - 12/11/13 10:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I've lost track of how many tubs I have dunked the spawn on but I can tell you that for me at least it's standard procedure from now on.


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    #19263618 - 12/11/13 11:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I've lost track of how many tubs I have dunked the spawn on but I can tell you that for me at least it's standard procedure from now on.




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i also water my plants with it. and shake it now so it colonizes all the way then break it up again :shrug:


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