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anne halonium
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Re: whats wrong with my peyotes? pics [Re: KBG1977]
#19257758 - 12/10/13 09:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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if anyone is waiting for an apology cuz i grow mine from seed.......
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redrocket
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Re: whats wrong with my peyotes? pics [Re: anne halonium]
#19258672 - 12/11/13 03:54 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ok i moved all my San Pedro and Peyote cacti away from the heating source to a colder room. Should i put them in front of a window with much light or a darker spot? The San Pedros were above the heating for over a week and i gave them a little bit of water so they wouldn't dry out. Hope that was not a bad move. I cant believe the cactus store said it would be ok to put them above a heater with water every 2 weeks. You would think they know what they are talking about.
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SuperD
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Re: whats wrong with my peyotes? pics [Re: redrocket]
#19258928 - 12/11/13 06:56 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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As long as they remain in a cool spot they'll stay dormant, and light levels won't matter. If they aren't actively growing then they aren't needing any light. Many people store their dormant cacti in their garage over the winter. Keep them away from any heat sources until Spring and then you can give them all a tiny drink to wake them up from dormancy. A few weeks after that they can take a heavier watering. I'm unsure what the 2 weeks of heat and water will do to your pedros but they should turn out fine.
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intelligentlife
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Re: whats wrong with my peyotes? pics [Re: SuperD]
#19259205 - 12/11/13 09:01 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Redrocket.
I have now an example with pictures about what happen to skin of peyote when cactus is near heat source and surrounding air is cool (windowsill)
So in order to you want a heat to your cactus, you need light and humidity. No matter of species or organism all plants needs humidity, one example is human skin when it's very cold air, it starts to crack, more close to this is peyote.
Okey then, to the pics. They are taken from same plant, same day but another side. Bruises are caused with little pressure from finger when cactus got heat from below and surrounding air was cool. So excess drying even for peyote cause it's skin to go bad.
This is one side of peyote, same cactus but that side has never been touch by finger:

And there is result when you add even small pressure to skin when bottom heat dry the air so much skin just cracks open:

These damages has been done to skin months ago. Not recently. This specimen was part of one my experiment when I grow over summer peyote with extra heat, it was okey but when it's start to get frosts, surround air is cool and there is minimal air humidity, then extra heat is bad and skin suffer and are very prone to punctures.
I can relate peyote skin as sensitive as human skin, in too dry they are not well and cracking because in dry even peyote skin is not elastic anymore, as you can see from pictures. Too less humidity doesn't allow peyote skin to be elastic and it's not good. Now cactus is fine and skin is elastic.
So. If you keep your peyote cactus near heat, for example heat radiator gives heat from bottom and basically dry up the air. I don't say in dormancy peyote needs 90% humidity or so but very very low humidity causes the skin cracking when you touch the cactus.
Now this cactus is healed and I keep it away from heat source, now I can touch it with add some pressure and skin do not crack. Literally when it was near heat source and I test it how firm it is, there was a "crack" sound and I find out the skin breaks.
If you have humidity high enough as well as light levels, your peyote is healthy. In habitat every night humidity will rise.. It's normal outdoors, no matter how dry desert is, when sun goes down, air cools and everything other around is warm, there comes humidity with cool air. But in other way, if temperatures drops to around -30C or -40C then it's so cold even humidity will freeze and basically it drop down the humidity so much human skin suffer from that.
Anyway, combination of bottom heat and cool surrounding air is not good for cactus, you can someway compare it's skin to human skin when it's too dry, some people skin cracks from that. Similar phenomena happens with cacti.
I have basically experienced this over the years cause every winter there is very cold and when houses are heated humidity indoors are very low. It's never good for plants and there are always problems with spider mites around houseplants if they are not sprayed every night or even every week. I spray very less water to my cacti almost every evening when lights are off, very small amount, not so much whole skin is covered with water, only some sprinkle around to "imitate" the condensation what happens in habitat.
When hot day turns to cold night, plant skin are warm and humidity or air turns to moisture to skin of cactus trough condensation. Anyway, I need to imitate this myself but it's very risky with peyote, I keep root off from water only some very fine spray to surface of them. Also this prevents a spider mites. I don't do this to peyote anyway over winter every evening, just randomly cause they dormant at room temperatures around +20C and sometimes where they are temps can drop to +18C or so..
Back to pictures, the injury is simply caused with pressing the skin with fingers by testing how firm cactus is. Now I can test it easily when it's not near heat, crack scarring will be left there but one lesson learned again. It's not so bad anyway and was part of my experiment with extra heating for adult cacti but I go too far and don't realize to shut down the heat when surrounding air is not anymore humid.
At summer time I can tell bottom heating works very good for peyote, root growth is fast and they tolerate good more water but it's not anyway good solution and I need to learn more when it's humid enough to use excess heat during day time to boost growth of peyote and mimic the environment they grow. Basically my experiment went wrong but not too much, I just realize in habitat they doesn't have heat from below and same time skin is cool and dry.
Probably boost the adult peyote cactus growth with day time heat in my climate is only possible from June to August and not anymore. That time there is enough humidity.
So keep your plant in place where they have ambient light or artificial light some and cool temperatures below +20C. You need to get your cactus to hibernation and temperature controls the growth. If balance of light and temperature is not good for example your san pedro in poor light grows very ugly, pale green and slim trying to "reach light" ...I think all plant connect light and heat together cause same source, sun, gives both for all plants. If this balance is wrong and you have excess heat and not enough light, they try to "find light" and grow etiolated. Especially trichocereus, lophophora probably don't grow so fast when they don't have even water they don't have time to etiolate bad. Maybe some offshoot pups can etiolate(and will etiolate) but it's normal and when offshoot try reach the light. After the have grown slim and pale enough and find the light, they starts to turn normal color of lophophora.
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