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Re: Study finds no link between teen pot use and schizophrenia risk [Re: Camwritesgonzo]
#19263152 - 12/11/13 10:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Camwritesgonzo said:

you see, the literal "shithead" (piece of shit with a head) is talking mad shit... cause he's an uber-gangstard. 
at least someone gets it!1
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Re: Study finds no link between teen pot use and schizophrenia risk [Re: akira_akuma]
#19264560 - 12/12/13 07:21 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Indica's help schizo disorders and bi-polar. You can still have manic ideas but honestly it's not going to help some people. It helps the people who are just a little bit nutty. I've smoked with a couple people who were so nuts you couldn't make sense of anything they said. Now weed usually was a fuel for them, but it was usually thc strong herb and not cbd rich. I've always thought weed helped me, but I can usually handle having thoughts which are abnormal. It helps the mood problems better than anything else. I think it usually helps my sense of being nuerotic, but there are dicks that think they can do whatever they want when using drugs. It's a fuel for sure, some of us need power!
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Re: Study finds no link between teen pot use and schizophrenia risk [Re: Morel Guy]
#19264828 - 12/12/13 08:41 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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CBD/thc-less strains help Anyway no shit weed isn't that powerful of well a drug but regardless developing minds do not need thc or any other trauma's THC does in fact have results on brain function in the way that people use and most likely the way it will be legalized
It's still up for arguement whether or not people are smoking pesticide when they smoke pot imo
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Re: Study finds no link between teen pot use and schizophrenia risk [Re: akira_akuma]
#19265468 - 12/12/13 12:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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“The results of the current study suggest that having an increased familial morbid risk for schizophrenia may be the underlying basis for schizophrenia in cannabis users and not cannabis use by itself,” the researchers found.
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Re: Study finds no link between teen pot use and schizophrenia risk [Re: Konyap]
#19265496 - 12/12/13 12:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Illyabo said: CBD/thc-less strains help Anyway no shit weed isn't that powerful of well a drug but regardless developing minds do not need thc or any other trauma's THC does in fact have results on brain function in the way that people use and most likely the way it will be legalized
It's still up for arguement whether or not people are smoking pesticide when they smoke pot imo
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Repertoire89
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Re: Study finds no link between teen pot use and schizophrenia risk [Re: Konyap]
#19266849 - 12/12/13 05:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Illyabo said:
but regardless developing minds do not need thc or any other trauma's THC does in fact have results on brain function
Sources.
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Re: Study finds no link between teen pot use and schizophrenia risk [Re: Repertoire89]
#19269274 - 12/13/13 03:34 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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. Triggers about six apoptotic pathways is CB positive tumours cells
Negative: 1. Destruction of cannabinoid receptors 2. Withrdawal encompassing nausea and anorexia (but that is the result of 1.) 3. Delusional paranoia 4. Damage to the lungs (not thc but smoking weed which most people do to intake thc) 5. Lowering testosterone (not sure how bad that is ) 6. Inhibits the immune system 7. Lowers intracellular levels of cyclic adenosine monophosphate in CB positive cells. It happens in the cerebulum (loss of coordination), the hippocampus (temporary memory loss), Globus pallidus (inhibition of incoming information processing, i.e. u start to notice more things). 8. Interferes with the energy balance system of the organism. THC activates SREBP proteins and in turn fatty acid metabolism is activated. You get higher levels of fats in your blood. 9. Its bad for the heart. Reason: connected to 8.
-lower sperm count -lowered testosterone -increased estrogen -v02max decreased -memory inhibition -loss of dreams -REM cycle severely disrupted
Marijuana lowering sperm count:
"Users of cigarettes, marijuana or alcohol showed no decrease in sperm, count, motility or percentage of oval sperm, and no difference in prevalence of antisperm antibodies compared to nonusers"
http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=5519817
Lowering testosterone and increasing estrogen:
The jury is still out on this it seems:
"Plasma testosterone, FSH, and LH levels were obtained from 25 healthy consecutive heterosexual male marijuana smoking university students. All values were within the range of normal and the means did not differ significantly from those of 13 normal controls. These data suggest that the casual marijuana smoker (at least one time weekly with an average of 5.1 joints per week) may have plasma testosterone levels which are normal for the time of day and the laboratory. "
http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content~db=all~content=a784886583
and
"In the 35 years since the active compound of marijuana, delta9-tetrahydrocannabinol, was isolated, the psychological and physiological impact of marijuana use has been actively investigated. Animal models have demonstrated that cannabinoid administration acutely alters multiple hormonal systems, including the suppression of the gonadal steroids, growth hormone, prolactin, and thyroid hormone and the activation of the hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal axis. These effects are mediated by binding to the endogenous cannabinoid receptor in or near the hypothalamus. Despite these findings in animals, the effects in humans have been inconsistent, and discrepancies are likely due in part to the development of tolerance. The long-term consequences of marijuana use in humans on endocrine systems remain unclear. "
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Re: Study finds no link between teen pot use and schizophrenia risk [Re: Konyap]
#19270034 - 12/13/13 10:03 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Illyabo said:
http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=5519817
http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content~db=all~content=a784886583
First study only had 164 participants (not enough) specifically from infertile couples (...), invalid.
The second link just led to a search engine.
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Re: Study finds no link between teen pot use and schizophrenia risk [Re: Repertoire89]
#19272017 - 12/13/13 06:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Repertoire89 said:
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http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=5519817
http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content~db=all~content=a784886583
First study only had 164 participants (not enough) specifically from infertile couples (...), invalid.
The second link just led to a search engine.
I don't want to sound like a dick bro but uh... don't you think it's at all possible that marijuana has some negative side effects, albeit minor ones? Like, don't you think that's at all in the realm of possibility? Or is marijuana just above reproach in every single regard? Because when potheads insist that it is, they sound like silly faggots. That's my marijuana gripe no .1.
Guess what? MAYBE KIDS AGES 16 AND UNDER SHOULDN'T BE GETING HIGH. Get over yourself and shut the fuck up. Don't give me or anyone that "sources" bullshit answer. Go fuck yourself.
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Re: Study finds no link between teen pot use and schizophrenia risk [Re: un-known-ome]
#19272268 - 12/13/13 08:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Repertoire89 said:
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http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=5519817
http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content~db=all~content=a784886583
First study only had 164 participants (not enough) specifically from infertile couples (...), invalid.
The second link just led to a search engine.
I don't want to sound like a dick bro but uh... don't you think it's at all possible that marijuana has some negative side effects, albeit minor ones? Like, don't you think that's at all in the realm of possibility? Or is marijuana just above reproach in every single regard? Because when potheads insist that it is, they sound like silly faggots. That's my marijuana gripe no .1.
Guess what? MAYBE KIDS AGES 16 AND UNDER SHOULDN'T BE GETING HIGH. Get over yourself and shut the fuck up. Don't give me or anyone that "sources" bullshit answer. Go fuck yourself.
Mad?
Where is your evidence to support marijuana's negative effects?
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Re: Study finds no link between teen pot use and schizophrenia risk [Re: Repertoire89]
#19272363 - 12/13/13 08:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Repertoire89 said:
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Illyabo said:
http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=5519817
http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content~db=all~content=a784886583
First study only had 164 participants (not enough) specifically from infertile couples (...), invalid.
The second link just led to a search engine.
I don't want to sound like a dick bro but uh... don't you think it's at all possible that marijuana has some negative side effects, albeit minor ones? Like, don't you think that's at all in the realm of possibility? Or is marijuana just above reproach in every single regard? Because when potheads insist that it is, they sound like silly faggots. That's my marijuana gripe no .1.
Guess what? MAYBE KIDS AGES 16 AND UNDER SHOULDN'T BE GETING HIGH. Get over yourself and shut the fuck up. Don't give me or anyone that "sources" bullshit answer. Go fuck yourself.
Mad?
Where is your evidence to support marijuana's negative effects?

Your existence would be a place to start.
But seriously, are you adopting the whole religion vs science argument, that I have to provide evidence when making a positive claim? Because I'm not. It actually works the other way around. You would have to provide evidence that lighting something on fire and smoking it doesn't have any negative effects whatsoever. Because if you really want to get into this, you will be made to look like a fool. Your intelligence or lack thereof will be insulted to the extent that you will need therapy to get over it, and you're only recourse will be to spend the rest of your life in a marijuana-induced stupor due to the inability to face the shame of your own retardation.
Edited by un-known-ome (12/13/13 08:34 PM)
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Re: Study finds no link between teen pot use and schizophrenia risk [Re: un-known-ome]
#19272381 - 12/13/13 08:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Your existence would be a place to start.
But seriously, are you adopting the whole religion vs science argument, that I have to provide evidence when making a positive claim? Because I'm not. It actually works the other way around. You would have to provide evidence that lighting something on fire and smoking it doesn't have any negative effects whatsoever. Because if you really want to get into this, you will be made to look like a fool. Your intelligence or lack thereof will be insulted to the extent that you will need therapy to get over it, and you're only recourse will be to spend the rest of your life in a marijuana-induced stupor due to the inability to face the shame of your own retardation.
You're claiming that marijuana is harmful and that I believe it has no negative side effects, back up your claims or they're worthless.
This isn't about religion.
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Re: Study finds no link between teen pot use and schizophrenia risk [Re: Konyap]
#19272391 - 12/13/13 08:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Why don't you ask Willie Nelson about negative effects from using cannabis? He'll be more than happy to tell you.
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Re: Study finds no link between teen pot use and schizophrenia risk [Re: Repertoire89]
#19272971 - 12/13/13 11:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Your existence would be a place to start.
But seriously, are you adopting the whole religion vs science argument, that I have to provide evidence when making a positive claim? Because I'm not. It actually works the other way around. You would have to provide evidence that lighting something on fire and smoking it doesn't have any negative effects whatsoever. Because if you really want to get into this, you will be made to look like a fool. Your intelligence or lack thereof will be insulted to the extent that you will need therapy to get over it, and you're only recourse will be to spend the rest of your life in a marijuana-induced stupor due to the inability to face the shame of your own retardation.
You're claiming that marijuana is harmful and that I believe it has no negative side effects, back up your claims or they're worthless.
This isn't about religion.
Why don't you go suck your own *****. Your tactical evasion of actually engaging in a conversation/argument is petty, at best. You've not been poignant at all. And you already set the precedent that you're not backing up anything, just talking out of your ass, so I'm just playing by your rules.
mod edit: No flaming
Edited by Alan Rockefeller (12/14/13 03:45 AM)
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Re: Study finds no link between teen pot use and schizophrenia risk [Re: un-known-ome]
#19273008 - 12/13/13 11:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Why don't you go suck your own prick. Your tactical evasion of actually engaging in a conversation/argument is petty, at best. You've not been poignant at all. And you already set the precedent that you're not backing up anything, just talking out of your ass, so I'm just playing by your rules.
I've consistently backed up my claims when asked, going back up to the question at hand:
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Illyabo said:
but regardless developing minds do not need thc or any other trauma's THC does in fact have results on brain function
Sources.
The original assertion was made by Illyabo, I asked for sources which he provided. I disagree with the validity of the sources provided and have yet to receive a response. Now here you come
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Re: Study finds no link between teen pot use and schizophrenia risk [Re: un-known-ome]
#19273017 - 12/13/13 11:53 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Just an fyi I'm delegating you to my ignore list  While moderately amusing up to this point, I'd rather not have other threads contaminated by this bathroom wall-style posting.
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Re: Study finds no link between teen pot use and schizophrenia risk [Re: Repertoire89]
#19273397 - 12/14/13 03:46 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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un-known-ome
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Re: Study finds no link between teen pot use and schizophrenia risk [Re: Repertoire89]
#19274029 - 12/14/13 10:22 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Repertoire89 said: Just an fyi I'm delegating you to my ignore list  While moderately amusing up to this point, I'd rather not have other threads contaminated by this bathroom wall-style posting.
It's better than being a smug SoB who condescends other posters. So someone calls you out and then they go right on the ignore list, eh? I seriously did not see that coming.
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Re: Study finds no link between teen pot use and schizophrenia risk [Re: Konyap]
#19274091 - 12/14/13 10:36 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Illyabo said: dude http://www.growery.org/3151/Cannibis-Notice
Very interesting studies, although according to the health land links at least the risk is relatively benign. I've personally had issues with marijuana as well as psychedelics in the past where they definitively worsened seperate psychotic episodes, on the other hand the effect is overall mostly positive (not that anecdotal evidence means much of anything).
It looks to me like those studies you linked demonstrate the relative safety of marijuana more than anything
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Re: Study finds no link between teen pot use and schizophrenia risk [Re: un-known-ome]
#19274123 - 12/14/13 10:42 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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By the way, I love the attitude that this community has adopted towards marijuana. Someone comes in with even the mere suggestion of an anti-marijuana claim and posters just go for the kill. Perhaps showing their true colors. Like
-"you know, marijuana might not--" -"Nope fuck you you're wrong your full of shit and I hope you die." -"jeez I only meant--" -"no seriously we will all murder you in your sleep"
I'm sorry I just never hopped aboard the "marijuana is faultless" train that so many of you seem to be aboard. It's obviously convenient for anyone who smokes to subscribe to that belief, but maybe you need be brought down a few pegs and be a little less biased, because it sounds every bit as silly as the assertion that it makes Mexicans rape white women.
Or wait wait wait: do I need sources?
Edited by un-known-ome (12/14/13 10:45 AM)
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