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Mikasa Ackerman
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The dreaded trich
#19258787 - 12/11/13 05:18 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hey guys i'm just a noob here but i have a few questions on my current casings. My rye colonized perfectly and i case them a couple days ago with some 50/50 verm peat mix. The mycelium shot up within the first 24 hours and i have already patched twice and exposed to fruiting conditions just today. This is when shit hits the fan, today i was doing a routine fanning when i saw contams in the corners that i believe are trich. I read up on this matter but i thought i should ask you anyway. The myc is growing fine on the majority of the casings but just with a smidge of "trich" on the edges and corners. I would appreciate a COA ASAP on what i should do. will post pics of these contams when i get off work.
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dpomalia
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If u were fully colonized u aren't likely to have trich. It starts white then turns green but depending on ur conditions your myc may be oxidizing aka blueing which can look pretty green I've had it to the point where I've almost tossed it then realized it wasn't spreading and it fruited some dark blue b+ besides the cap of course Pics would help. For now isolate until further notice
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Mikasa Ackerman
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Re: The dreaded trich [Re: dpomalia]
#19263401 - 12/11/13 10:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hey guys i'm back, rough 14 hour shift today =/. Anyway that oxidized mycelium theory might actually be it, it's not spreading and it has a blueish green hue to it. But regardless of that you asked for pis and here they are.
First offender with the most discoloration:
A close up:
Second tray
Very minimal discoloration on that one.
And my third tray:
P.S sorry for the poor quality my camera is a POS
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Edited by Mikasa Ackerman (12/15/13 05:53 AM)
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Gorlami



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I would bet you had trich in your spawn before you let it consolidate with the casing layer. If you have Trich before the first flush, your spawn jars were most likely contaminated with it beforehand. Trich simply cannot establish itself that quickly on a healthy and fully colonized grain spawn.
Your sterile procedure might need some revisiting.
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MachineElf1.618
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Mikasa Ackerman said: Hey guys i'm back, rough 14 hour shift today =/. Anyway that oxidized mycelium theory might actually be it, it's not spreading and it has a blueish green hue to it. But regardless of that you asked for pis and here they are.
First offender with the most discoloration:

A close up:

Second tray

Very minimal discoloration on that one.
And my third tray:

P.S sorry for the poor quality my camera is a POS
Can't really tell anything from those pics but what I could say is that you're fruiting the wrong way. First of all why do you have little tupperware containers? and What substrate did you use for your rye spawn?
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Kalypto
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You can cut it out and put it in your garage if you really want otherwise toss it
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Re: The dreaded trich [Re: Kalypto]
#19264662 - 12/12/13 07:57 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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There's nothing wrong with fruiting in tupperware containers. That first pic looks a little green to me btw, but it's hard to tell, they're fairly blurry.
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Kizzle
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If it's mold the green will have a powdery texture. It's too blurry to tell if that's mold or just the mycelium in that area bruising.
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MachineElf1.618
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krypto2000 said: There's nothing wrong with fruiting in tupperware containers. That first pic looks a little green to me btw, but it's hard to tell, they're fairly blurry.
No nothing wrong with it but there is a problem if he just used rye and cased that without spawning to a substrate. On top of that the tupperware looks really small. If he has perlite in a shotgun FC I don't see why he doesn't just use cakes?
Look dude if its really trich do the popular trash tek, don't bother with it just start all over.
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Mikasa Ackerman
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They are medium sized ut deep i prefer a smaller tupperware with a deeper layer of substrate. But btw i did just use rye and casing what is that bad? i thought this was normal next time should i spawn to hpoo?
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MachineElf1.618
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No its not normal you probably won't get very many healthy thats if any shrooms even grow at all. That's probably why you get contam too. If you use rye or bird seed for example, those are used as spawn that you mix with your substrate. The substrate you use is entirely up to you depending on availability or comfort level. I personally use horse shit, cubes love that shit!!!
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Mikasa Ackerman
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Now hold on now i've seen many people on here case with straight colonized rye I wont lie spawning it to hpoo would probably produce a higher yield but are straight rye casings really that inefficient?
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blindingleaf
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its more old school (straight grains cased), but efficiency wise compared to bulk substrate...I dunno, have not read into it much. don't worry tho, it has been done a lot. just use search engine, and posts like 5+ years and more will have aluminum trays with straight cased grain (I think even in TMC there are pics of straight grain with casing for cubes...and MMGG was all about it, just in jars not trays). no worries on that end (except the efficiency question)...as for the trich...I agree with other posters, ur pics r too blurry to tell. if it doesn't spread its a good sign, but not a definitive "100% not trich". my substrate will blue when dry, but never had it happen with a casing, only with bulk not cased. did u pasteurize ur casing? did u pasteurize it....for sure (not sterilized, not underdone)?
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blindingleaf
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on second look at the blurry pics, they (casing mix) seem a bit dry, with no glisten to them... are u misting them? casings, by the book, don't need 100% RH, but to make up for the lower (85% RH) the casing ITSELF has to be kept moist... is that happening for you? its a difficult thing to KNOW for sure first time, so no worries if ur not sure. its a learning experience, esp. casing.
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krypto2000
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I used to case wbs and had good results. It's not as good as spawning to bulk, but it sure beats pf-cakes, it's a good halway point imo. I'd use miracle grow moisture control to case and I'd either toss it into the microwave or even just use it strait out of the bag with no pasturization, rarely got contaminantion with either method surprisingly enough. Do not take what I did ~5 years ago as a recommendation however, I would not do that today, just posting an anecdote.
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MachineElf1.618
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I didn't say it wouldn't work its just not the best way to go. The first few times I tried casings I just cased the rye berries straight and it was a disaster I got very little shrooms and they didn't look as healthy and robust as they should. Honestly, it's a waste of spores if you're on a limited supply and a waste of time. plus if you use substrate the less grain you have to use. Just imagine how much spawn you would need to fill a tote 6" deep when you could get away with using 2 or 3 grain jars and spawning that to your substrate instead.
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