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inaleik
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buying picked cyans?
#19258355 - 12/11/13 12:29 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hello all. So I have never taken mushrooms before, but I have found a connect and am very interested in trying them. The guy I am going to buy from is selling pailocybe cyanescens that he picked himself. I read about the species and how it is often misidentified, which has gotten me a bit concerned. I asked if he was an experienced picker and he said yes, but how am I to know these are indeed cyans and not galerinas when they are in their dried form? Will there be any way to test them? I read about methods when they are fresh, but i'm buying dry. So, is it safe to purchase these? Thank sall!
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Alan Rockefeller
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Re: buying picked cyans? [Re: inaleik]
#19258375 - 12/11/13 12:34 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Chemical testing is difficult for a beginner.
It would be best to post clear pics of the mushrooms taken in good lighting here.
The most important thing that you want to pay attention to is gill color. Deadly Galerina has rusty orange spores, and therefore rusty orange gills at maturity. Psilocybe has dark purple brown spores and therefore dark purple brown gills at maturity.
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inaleik
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http://imgur.com/ZLko7XV http://imgur.com/SeWgfJB http://imgur.com/ANSxfKI
Here are pictures he took when he found them. Even if they look like it though, it still scares me how deadly the amatoxin poisoning can be and you might not even know you have it until it's too late. I would probably be more comfortable doing one of the definitive chemical tests, if there are any that can distinguish.
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Re: buying picked cyans? [Re: inaleik]
#19259705 - 12/11/13 11:35 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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inaleik said: http://imgur.com/ZLko7XV http://imgur.com/SeWgfJB http://imgur.com/ANSxfKI
Here are pictures he took when he found them. Even if they look like it though, it still scares me how deadly the amatoxin poisoning can be and you might not even know you have it until it's too late. I would probably be more comfortable doing one of the definitive chemical tests, if there are any that can distinguish.
Chemical tests are pretty hard to achieve proper results without the proper equipment. I suggest posting pictures of the mushrooms here so we can see what your dealing with, the pictures posted are Psilocybe cyanescens, not that it maters.. material pics!
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Edited by Joust (12/11/13 12:14 PM)
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Re: buying picked cyans? [Re: inaleik]
#19259715 - 12/11/13 11:39 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Those look legit... BUT, the dried specimens will look much different. It's always better to be safe than sorry.
Do you have access to a microscope? That would bea lot easier than a chemical test.
If you don't have complete confidence in the picker, it may be worth taking the time to research the cultivation section. If you grow your own, you'll know exactly what you have.
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MarcusFreeman said: Those look legit... BUT, the dried specimens will look much different. It's always better to be safe than sorry.
Do you have access to a microscope? That would bea lot easier than a chemical test.
If you don't have complete confidence in the picker, it may be worth taking the time to research the cultivation section. If you grow your own, you'll know exactly what you have.
and you'll be ready to party hardy! (for new years 2015!!)
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I understand your concern,but like Alan said if you post pics of the dried specimens it would give us a better idea.How long has your friend been picking shrooms? When I get back from the coast some of my buddy's are a little skeptical and nervous too. But I have been studying shrooms(actives)for over 10yrs so I know my shit.And they know that. They trust me and my skills,but they also know that when im in doubt I toss it out.I know my psilocybes of the PNW so getting a mixed collection of actives and non actives or poisonous species has never happened to me. I also pick my own to reassure this. I told a friend once what to look for where to look for and how to look for(azzies) on the coast. She was in Astoria for two days running through the dune grasses. When she got back home and showed me all the mushrooms she found about 30 specimens almost all were different species and not one active. Learn as much as you can and get em yourself.
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MarcusFreeman said: Those look legit... BUT, the dried specimens will look much different. It's always better to be safe than sorry.
Do you have access to a microscope? That would bea lot easier than a chemical test.
If you don't have complete confidence in the picker, it may be worth taking the time to research the cultivation section. If you grow your own, you'll know exactly what you have.
and you'll be ready to party hardy! (for new years 2015!!)

Shoot, it doesn't take that long!!! Maybe a month or two at tops. Once you start, it's pretty much a continuous process. Get your first grow with a multi spore syringe, clone to agar, use the agar to start the next batch of spawn, rinse and repeat.
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inaleik
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No, I don't have a microscope to examine them. I trust that he knows what he is doing, but I guess there is always room for error, and I would probably be more comfortable buying from someone who grew them. I don't want to have a bad trip because I think I have been poisoned. I would grow but live with parents, so that probably wouldn't work out. Deciding whether I should buy them or just wait it out. How sure can you be just by looking at the dried versions without any special equipment?
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Joust
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Re: buying picked cyans? [Re: inaleik]
#19260027 - 12/11/13 12:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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inaleik said: No, I don't have a microscope to examine them. I trust that he knows what he is doing, but I guess there is always room for error, and I would probably be more comfortable buying from someone who grew them. I don't want to have a bad trip because I think I have been poisoned. I would grow but live with parents, so that probably wouldn't work out. Deciding whether I should buy them or just wait it out. How sure can you be just by looking at the dried versions without any special equipment?
post up and well be able to tell you. make sure the pics arent blurry tho
-------------------- ~~~~~~***Psilocybin Mushrooms***~~~~~~ _________A Practical Guide To Psilocybin Mushrooms_________ "Think about the species, not your scale". -NeoSporen "Mr. Joust, I see you don't actually partake in the psilocin, but it looks like it may partake in you!" -Gojira
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Re: buying picked cyans? [Re: Joust]
#19260153 - 12/11/13 01:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Joust said:
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inaleik said: No, I don't have a microscope to examine them. I trust that he knows what he is doing, but I guess there is always room for error, and I would probably be more comfortable buying from someone who grew them. I don't want to have a bad trip because I think I have been poisoned. I would grow but live with parents, so that probably wouldn't work out. Deciding whether I should buy them or just wait it out. How sure can you be just by looking at the dried versions without any special equipment?
post up and well be able to tell you. make sure the pics arent blurry tho
+ good pics of the gills too.
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Re: buying picked cyans? [Re: inaleik]
#19260463 - 12/11/13 02:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think OP is safe to try them out personally
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Re: buying picked cyans? [Re: Ran-D]
#19260684 - 12/11/13 02:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ran-D said: I think OP is safe to try them out personally 
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Ran-D said: I think OP is safe to try them out personally 

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RuralAnomaly
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MarcusFreeman said:
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RuralAnomaly said:
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MarcusFreeman said: Those look legit... BUT, the dried specimens will look much different. It's always better to be safe than sorry.
Do you have access to a microscope? That would bea lot easier than a chemical test.
If you don't have complete confidence in the picker, it may be worth taking the time to research the cultivation section. If you grow your own, you'll know exactly what you have.
and you'll be ready to party hardy! (for new years 2015!!)

Shoot, it doesn't take that long!!! Maybe a month or two at tops. Once you start, it's pretty much a continuous process. Get your first grow with a multi spore syringe, clone to agar, use the agar to start the next batch of spawn, rinse and repeat.
i can't argue with a thing you said -my only point was new years 2014 is just 3wks away. I was thinking in terms of preparing for that, thats all!
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inaleik
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Okay, guys. I bought the cyans and I took some pictures of the best ones (the ones I will take for my first trip, if they check out okay). I uploaded 18 images into an album, so if you could click through all them really quickly, that would be awesome. I hope the pics are clear enough. My phone cam isn't the best, so if it's necessary, I can retake them later with a better camera.
http://imgur.com/a/0acFc#0
Thanks again! Hopefully they all look okay!
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Re: buying picked cyans? [Re: inaleik]
#19279361 - 12/15/13 01:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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inaleik said: Okay, guys. I bought the cyans and I took some pictures of the best ones (the ones I will take for my first trip, if they check out okay). I uploaded 18 images into an album, so if you could click through all them really quickly, that would be awesome. I hope the pics are clear enough. My phone cam isn't the best, so if it's necessary, I can retake them later with a better camera.
http://imgur.com/a/0acFc#0
Thanks again! Hopefully they all look okay!
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Bluing stems, black gills, tan cap: Those look like dried Cyans!
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Alan Rockefeller
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Re: buying picked cyans? [Re: inaleik]
#19280078 - 12/15/13 04:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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inaleik said: Thanks again! Hopefully they all look okay!
Yes, they look great!
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Joust
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-------------------- ~~~~~~***Psilocybin Mushrooms***~~~~~~ _________A Practical Guide To Psilocybin Mushrooms_________ "Think about the species, not your scale". -NeoSporen "Mr. Joust, I see you don't actually partake in the psilocin, but it looks like it may partake in you!" -Gojira
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