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Islam Is A Religion of Peace?
#19257895 - 12/10/13 09:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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So as I understand it, Islamic law in every major predomenently-Muslim country on the planet (see list below) requires that, anyone who criticizes Islam is sentenced to death. Anyone who commits blasphemy against Islam is sentenced to death. Anyone who defaces a Koran, parodies Islam, "spreads mischief" (Fasad fil-ardh), commits adultery, has homosexual relations, proselytizes, admits to being atheist or anti-theist, commits apostasy and so on is sentenced to death.
And the executions are conducted publicly to serve as deterrence.
Afghanistan Iran Malaysia Maldives Mauritania Nigeria Pakistan Qatar Saudi Arabia Somalia Sudan United Arab Emirates Yemen Pakistan
Can anyone who buys the thread title reconcile this for me?
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Re: Islam Is A Religion of Peace? [Re: Diploid] 3
#19257944 - 12/10/13 10:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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This doesn't surprise me. After all, Islam has its foundation partially rooted in violence. Muhammad was a sociopathic militant leader who forced Islam onto everyone through violence/and or threat of violence.
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Re: Islam Is A Religion of Peace? [Re: Diploid]
#19257946 - 12/10/13 10:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Check out this dude who got crucified for spying in Yemen.
I've been watching a bunch of execution videos recently.
Also check out this Saudi dude who's job is just to chop peoples heads off. I found it morbidly hilarious.
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Re: Islam Is A Religion of Peace? [Re: Space Elf] 2
#19258111 - 12/10/13 10:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Space Elf said: This doesn't surprise me. After all, Islam has its foundation partially rooted in violence. Muhammad was a sociopathic militant leader who forced Islam onto everyone through violence/and or threat of violence. 
Exactly like Moses too.
Moses asks to pass through the land of a king who refuses to give them permission. Moses proceeds to kill everyone in that kingdom. When another king tries to stop the invading Israelites, God tells Moses, "Don't be afraid, I've delivered him into your hands so you can utterly destroy him just like you did to the Amorite king and his people." So God's people obeyed God and slayed the king and his sons and all his people, "until there was none left alive." - Numbers 21:21-35
Moses orders his army to kill the five kingdoms of Midianites (the people that the Israelite men were being friendly with in the above example). These were the same people that had welcomed Moses with open arms when he originally fled from Egypt after murdering an Egyptian. They even allowed him to marry one of their women. We now see how Moses repays their kindness: his army kills all the men and captures their women and children. When Moses sees the thousands of captives, he gets angry because it was the Midianite women which caused the Israelite men to stray from God's commandments in the first place. Moses says to his soldiers, "Have you kept the women alive? They are the reason God sent that plague to kill 24,000 of us." He then commanded his army to kill all the boy children and all the women who were not virgins. The Bible doesn't tell us how they determined who was a virgin but we can imagine it was a humane and caring exam based on the past record of God's people. The Israelites then kept all the virgin girls for themselves, dividing them up along with the livestock. - Numbers 31
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Anyone remember this eight year old boy who was in the news a while back? He was caught stealing food and was punished under islamic law to have a car drive over his arm? Hey at least they used a blanket. Praise allah.


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[As for] the thief, the male and the female, amputate their hands in recompense for what they committed as a deterrent [punishment] from Allah . And Allah is Exalted in Might and Wise. - Koran 5:38
And these two teeners who were sentenced to death for being gay lovers:

And this woman who was half-burried then stoned to death for having a boyfriend:

Don't anyone tell me these are "extremists" doing these things. They are systematic muslim atrocities committed with the sanction of muslim authorities in accordance with muslim law.
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Re: Islam Is A Religion of Peace? [Re: Diploid] 1
#19258175 - 12/10/13 11:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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>>>>Don't anyone tell me these are "extremists" doing these things. They are systematic muslim atrocities committed with the sanction of muslim authorities in accordance with muslim law.
You are projecting your morals onto another group of people. There's nothing wrong with any of that, its their way. Do you think there would be so much property crime or "vice" crime if punishments were that stiff? They found a different solution than mass incarceration and it might be less bad that the American way if you think about it from a certain point of view.
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Re: Islam Is A Religion of Peace? [Re: Ellis Dee]
#19258199 - 12/10/13 11:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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its their way
Off-topic blah blah blah. 
From your inability to stick to the topic, let alone refute the assertion that islam is a religion of violence, I take it you agree that it is. Got it.
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Re: Islam Is A Religion of Peace? [Re: Diploid] 1
#19258228 - 12/10/13 11:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well of course its a religion of violence. I guess you think there's something wrong with that? My point was that there's nothing wrong with that and that judging other cultures by your own standards is the definition of ethnocentrism.
I love violence and war as much as I love a sunset, the flower in nature, or the touch of a woman's skin. Its a gift from our higher self that I appreciate as the perfection that it is. I don't want to change it, just enjoy it.
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Re: Islam Is A Religion of Peace? [Re: Ellis Dee]
#19258254 - 12/10/13 11:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well of course its a religion of violence
Well, at least you're on-topic now.
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Re: Islam Is A Religion of Peace? [Re: Ellis Dee] 2
#19258331 - 12/11/13 12:20 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ellis Dee said: Well of course its a religion of violence. I guess you think there's something wrong with that? My point was that there's nothing wrong with that and that judging other cultures by your own standards is the definition of ethnocentrism.
I love violence and war as much as I love a sunset, the flower in nature, or the touch of a woman's skin. Its a gift from our higher self that I appreciate as the perfection that it is. I don't want to change it, just enjoy it.
Quality post 
The thing about Islamic law for me is that I can't know, barbaric as it may appear, that it isn't well suited to the level of empathy that the people there have.
The legal system exists, in part, to dissuade people from taking revenge. If the locals are barbaric - and, let's face it, it looks like it - then any verdict that isn't barbaric enough might lead to rioting, blood feuds, reprisals etc.
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Re: Islam Is A Religion of Peace? [Re: viktor] 1
#19258426 - 12/11/13 12:58 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ellis Dee said: Well of course its a religion of violence. I guess you think there's something wrong with that? My point was that there's nothing wrong with that and that judging other cultures by your own standards is the definition of ethnocentrism.
I love violence and war as much as I love a sunset, the flower in nature, or the touch of a woman's skin. Its a gift from our higher self that I appreciate as the perfection that it is. I don't want to change it, just enjoy it.
Quality post 
The thing about Islamic law for me is that I can't know, barbaric as it may appear, that it isn't well suited to the level of empathy that the people there have.
The legal system exists, in part, to dissuade people from taking revenge. If the locals are barbaric - and, let's face it, it looks like it - then any verdict that isn't barbaric enough might lead to rioting, blood feuds, reprisals etc.
Indeed. And it would appear that the arm breaking was actually a merciful act. The proper punishment in that culture for theft is the amputation of the hand. His arm will be set and will heal up more or less and he'll be a fit adult with a hand instead of a one handed gimp. He'll probably grow up grateful to the man that suggested they merely break his arm istead of chop the hand off, realizing how merciful and good the suggestion was for him. Perspective is everything.
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Re: Islam Is A Religion of Peace? [Re: viktor] 4
#19258466 - 12/11/13 01:21 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Have any of you read any foundational Islamic texts? Say the Koran? I have not, therefore I cannot have an opinion on the matter. I suggest reading these entire texts, with the intent of gathering your own interpretation. Until then, are you not giving someone else's interpretation of a religion? Or possibly worse; You are making logical assessments based upon vague conceptions without sufficient tangible; evidence, reason, clarity, research, etc.....
Did you guys know that Islam ruled relativity peacefully in Spain from 709 until 1614???? That is a SHIT LOAD of non scary Islam time. In large portions of this time period it is believed that These societies were open to pluralist multiculturalism and all 3 major monotheistic religions helped to influence the culture. The success was based on economic security and food surpluses. A lot of good art and architecture came from this period, and the Islamic culture brought much of the science and math to Spain, and the rest of the world still uses it today.
Do you guys know what "Christians" did in the dark ages? That was a long bad time, but it had to with the time in history, and geopolitics, and doesn't reflect Christians in the future.
Do you know how many people atheists killed/left to die in the last century? Check into it, it ain't pretty!
Let's not start blaming religion for violence unless we confront the (geo)political landscapes that said religions exist in.
Here is a video of Hillary Clinton reminding some of her fellow politicians that the American government covertly changed the political base of Islam in Afghanistan. This is factual.
American's coercing and funding foreigners into extremism.
The islamic world today is in places a hornets nest; this is in no small part to the geopolitical position it holds in the world. Some serious empire builder's have had, and have a stick in that hornet's nest.
Anybody would be less well off emotionally, physically, and mentally if they lived in, or grew up in a hornet's nest. Think of all you'd miss out on in war torn region.
Let's not over-simply things.
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Re: Islam Is A Religion of Peace? [Re: Roger Wilco] 2
#19258484 - 12/11/13 01:30 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have learned this; there are idiocy, and of such one should never share their views in a way that tells others it to be a truth.
Remember this;
The second wizards rule: "The greatest harm can result from the best intentions".
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Re: Islam Is A Religion of Peace? [Re: Diploid]
#19258591 - 12/11/13 02:31 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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"Religion of Peace" = oxymoron by all evidence, but particularly the monotheistic religions, which have been amongst the worst disasters to ever befall the human race. I still prize Christianity as owning claims to the bloodiest and most destructive career of fanaticism on this planet, comparatively Islam is just the FOTM.
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Re: Islam Is A Religion of Peace? [Re: Ellis Dee]
#19258770 - 12/11/13 05:05 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ellis Dee said: Well of course its a religion of violence. I guess you think there's something wrong with that? My point was that there's nothing wrong with that and that judging other cultures by your own standards is the definition of ethnocentrism.
I love violence and war as much as I love a sunset, the flower in nature, or the touch of a woman's skin. Its a gift from our higher self that I appreciate as the perfection that it is. I don't want to change it, just enjoy it.
Excellent, I'm willing to let you use my tax dollars to go over there and blow them completely off the map forever. Then off yourself. Win win (for me)
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Re: Islam Is A Religion of Peace? [Re: Icelander] 1
#19258790 - 12/11/13 05:20 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ellis Dee said: Well of course its a religion of violence. I guess you think there's something wrong with that? My point was that there's nothing wrong with that and that judging other cultures by your own standards is the definition of ethnocentrism.
I love violence and war as much as I love a sunset, the flower in nature, or the touch of a woman's skin. Its a gift from our higher self that I appreciate as the perfection that it is. I don't want to change it, just enjoy it.
Excellent, I'm willing to let you use my tax dollars to go over there and blow them completely off the map forever. Then off yourself. Win win (for me)
Why are you wishing for violence and horror? What does this say about you?
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Re: Islam Is A Religion of Peace? [Re: Ellis Dee]
#19258796 - 12/11/13 05:22 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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It says I'm just like you. Now get out there as I'm, sadly too old.
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Re: Islam Is A Religion of Peace? [Re: Icelander] 1
#19258813 - 12/11/13 05:36 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Icelander said: It says I'm just like you. Now get out there as I'm, sadly too old. 
No, thats nothing like me. I enjoy all my perceptions for the perfection they are, I do not seek those experiences or act violently at all. In fact, if I were present at that boys arm breaking I might offer my own arm in his place or to beat me in his place because I may prefer that to be my perception than for the boy to have his arm broken. But I would neither defend the boy nor judge the actions taking place, because they are what they are, and that is perfection.
You should realize that...
Your entire experience and all your perceptions are a gift to you.
Many people find that they want to only experience the "good" without the "bad" and they are only getting half of what they are meant to have. For love is the law and love under will. Unless you can love violence and war as the gifts they are and appreciate them as much as any other beauty, say the beauty of a woman or the touch of her flesh, then that love is conditional not unconditional and one only has a fraction of the love they should have.
I see this a lot in my fellow humans. By constantly trying to change the world to make them happier or to make it a more loving place they find only frustration. Its a simple matter to change our own perceptions to appreciate the world as it is without trying or wanting to change it. And thats love, knowing that the world and everything in it is perfect, that there is no sin nor evil but the judgements of man making it so. I find perfection in all as I am perfect.
And that is my heresy. It promptly earned me a 0 rating from diploid for instance when I mentioned that line of thought in his thread. lol People don't like having their beliefs of themselves as being rightious challenged. If they'd realize they are rightious and perfect and that the world doen't need them to change it to improve the perfection that it is, its a blasphemous heresy.
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Re: Islam Is A Religion of Peace? [Re: Ellis Dee] 1
#19258825 - 12/11/13 05:44 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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If I remember correctly you said you "love violence". I'm going to have to call bullshit on at least one of your posts here. you pick. Now if you had said you "accept" violence that would have been different.
I hardly see myself as righteous btw. I'm full of hatreds and violent thoughts. I don't usually act on them as they don't achieve my goals.
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Re: Islam Is A Religion of Peace? [Re: Icelander]
#19258842 - 12/11/13 05:53 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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There is nothing about loving war and violence for the perfection they are that should indicate someone is themselves violent. It is a necessary step in personal evolution for perfect love. My love in unconditional and pure for the violent and for the meek, for I am pure and holy. Re-read my post until you understand my heresy.
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