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People Who Don't Drink Alcohol Are More Likely To Die Young
#19258163 - 12/10/13 11:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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http://www.businessinsider.com/abstaining-from-alcohol-significantly-shortens-life-2013-12
Sort of a deceiving article, as the possible explanation stated for this is that, "alcohol can be a great social lubricant, and strong social networks are essential for maintaining mental and physical health." According to that, its not the alcohol itself that makes you live longer but the effect is has on your networking which benefits you in the long run. I don't know, figured I'd be worth posting. I rarely ever drink alcohol, maybe once a month if that
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Re: People Who Don't Drink Alcohol Are More Likely To Die Young [Re: OliverJames] 3
#19258200 - 12/10/13 11:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Drinking never helped me make friends.
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Re: People Who Don't Drink Alcohol Are More Likely To Die Young [Re: ReginaldPMcpoop]
#19258220 - 12/10/13 11:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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ReginaldPMcpoop said: Drinking never helped me make friends.
Maybe they just don't like you.
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Re: People Who Don't Drink Alcohol Are More Likely To Die Young [Re: ReginaldPMcpoop]
#19258234 - 12/10/13 11:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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ReginaldPMcpoop said: Drinking never helped me make friends.
You either
a) threw up on the hosts girlfriend
b) sat in the corner and chain smoked cigarettes
c) never left the house
d) all the above
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Re: People Who Don't Drink Alcohol Are More Likely To Die Young [Re: Uzziel] 1
#19258240 - 12/10/13 11:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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People Who Don't Drink Alcohol Are More Likely To Die Young
Excellent. I knew eventually that my 7 year daily drinking run would pay off eventually.
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Re: People Who Don't Drink Alcohol Are More Likely To Die Young [Re: Niffla]
#19258353 - 12/11/13 12:28 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have a feeling this article gives a lot of people that idea. I'm actually starting to think I should drink a bit, I'm never gonna be a big drinker but I've wanted to get into wine tasting for a while
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Re: People Who Don't Drink Alcohol Are More Likely To Die Young [Re: Niffla]
#19258478 - 12/11/13 01:28 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Niffla said:
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People Who Don't Drink Alcohol Are More Likely To Die Young
Excellent. I knew eventually that my 7 year daily drinking run would pay off eventually.
That's the spirit!
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Re: People Who Don't Drink Alcohol Are More Likely To Die Young [Re: RockyRaccoon] 1
#19258488 - 12/11/13 01:32 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Again with the statistics..
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Re: People Who Don't Drink Alcohol Are More Likely To Die Young [Re: Icyus] 2
#19258500 - 12/11/13 01:38 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'd argue that the number of people who die of liver cancer and or failure due to alcohol abuse would outweigh any extra longevity that social drinkers may benefit from.
Edited by Magicman69 (12/11/13 01:38 AM)
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Re: People Who Don't Drink Alcohol Are More Likely To Die Young [Re: Icyus]
#19258512 - 12/11/13 01:44 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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How do they define heavy? If we are comparing the portion of the population that doesn't drink, those people are all outliers. People who refuse to ever touch alcohol are not really normal people. It is the personality type that makes them non drinkers - not the other way around.
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Re: People Who Don't Drink Alcohol Are More Likely To Die Young [Re: koods]
#19258829 - 12/11/13 05:45 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Drinking a beer a day is healthier though
most peoples diets conform to one set of standards that drinking would aid
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Re: People Who Don't Drink Alcohol Are More Likely To Die Young [Re: RockyRaccoon]
#19258841 - 12/11/13 05:52 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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RockyRaccoon said:
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Niffla said:
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People Who Don't Drink Alcohol Are More Likely To Die Young
Excellent. I knew eventually that my 7 year daily drinking run would pay off eventually.
That's the spirit!
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Re: People Who Don't Drink Alcohol Are More Likely To Die Young [Re: Niffla]
#19258843 - 12/11/13 05:55 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Lmao at your drug list. I hate those things. Too each their own though. But that is funny stuff. +5
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Re: People Who Don't Drink Alcohol Are More Likely To Die Young [Re: highc]
#19258867 - 12/11/13 06:12 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Gonna knock out ipecac tonight, can't wait
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Re: People Who Don't Drink Alcohol Are More Likely To Die Young [Re: OliverJames] 1
#19258895 - 12/11/13 06:36 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Its one of those bogus studies heavy users produce to feel better about themselves.
Many people who dont drink, do so because their poor health doesnt let them.
Generally the people who dont give a fuck are the healthy ones and the meticulous ones are the people who got numerous signals from their body that they cant do this, not too much of that, etc.
If I drink a few glasses my heart starts skipping beats and hurting. This greatly upsets me, having had a heart attack and being on a bunch of cardiac drugs, so I practically never drink multiple glasses. The average guy who drinks five isnt healthier because he drinks five but because he doesnt have the underlying heart conditrion that causes my temperance.
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Re: People Who Don't Drink Alcohol Are More Likely To Die Young [Re: Asante]
#19258909 - 12/11/13 06:45 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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When I think of people "dying young," I thing of people dying in their teens and 20's from car accidents and similar stuff. The article says the study was on people 55-65 over a 20 year span, so it sounds like the people I'd think of as "dying young" were not covered in the study at all.
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Re: People Who Don't Drink Alcohol Are More Likely To Die Young [Re: psi]
#19258921 - 12/11/13 06:53 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Drinking a beer isn't exactly drinking heck if you drank a beer with every meal that would be three
however a lot of people are in hospitals right now because of diabetes and I could easily see that being more of a problem and smoking
the ages these people are at are more likely the time when the abuse they did on their body comes into effect and I wouldn't say that's limited to just alcohol
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psi said: When I think of people "dying young," I thing of people dying in their teens and 20's from car accidents and similar stuff. The article says the study was on people 55-65 over a 20 year span, so it sounds like the people I'd think of as "dying young" were not covered in the study at all.
that's not what they were studying.
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Re: People Who Don't Drink Alcohol Are More Likely To Die Young [Re: Uzziel]
#19258937 - 12/11/13 06:58 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Uzziel said:
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ReginaldPMcpoop said: Drinking never helped me make friends.
You either
a) threw up on the hosts girlfriend
b) sat in the corner and chain smoked cigarettes
c) never left the house
d) all the above
Maybe he recognizes alcohol doesn't do anything for you. You're being defensive so that tells me you like it as a crutch.
It's ok we can cry together.
Alcohol isn't a social lubricant. That's politically correct shit. Alcohol releases your inhabitions by making you selfish.
I've recently discovered, after a long break from booze, that the odd drink is best. I feel about booze the same way some people see weed, you need breaks to appreciate it's qualities. Having these beers the other night it kind of reminded me of rue and here's why.
Syrian rue doesn't tolerate, but it does. The hallucinagenic properties tolerate, but not the maoi effect. Booze is like that. If you don't take regular breaks of psychedelic comparison, the magic isn't there, only the shit end of the stick. Somehow, people seem to like this.
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Re: People Who Don't Drink Alcohol Are More Likely To Die Young [Re: Konyap]
#19258950 - 12/11/13 07:08 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Illyabo said:
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psi said: When I think of people "dying young," I thing of people dying in their teens and 20's from car accidents and similar stuff. The article says the study was on people 55-65 over a 20 year span, so it sounds like the people I'd think of as "dying young" were not covered in the study at all.
that's not what they were studying.
If you read the article, it does not appear that they were excluding accidental deaths:
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Despite the increased risks for cirrhosis and several types of cancer, not to mention dependency, accidents, and poor judgment associated with heavy drinking, those who imbibe are less likely to die than people who stay dry.
They were, however, excluding actual young people.
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Re: People Who Don't Drink Alcohol Are More Likely To Die Young [Re: psi]
#19258962 - 12/11/13 07:15 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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a lot of accidents could be attributed to speeding and seatbelts
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Re: People Who Don't Drink Alcohol Are More Likely To Die Young [Re: Konyap]
#19258971 - 12/11/13 07:19 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Also a lot of drunks walk away from car accidents
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Re: People Who Don't Drink Alcohol Are More Likely To Die Young [Re: Konyap]
#19258980 - 12/11/13 07:21 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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highc said: Lmao at your drug list. I hate those things. Too each their own though. But that is funny stuff. +5
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the only homemade porn I ever made, my boyfriend is wearing one of those things. It looks like an access panel.
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Illyabo said: Also a lot of drunks walk away from car accidents
Well, their car is probably broken, soooo yeah. lol
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Re: People Who Don't Drink Alcohol Are More Likely To Die Young [Re: Konyap]
#19258981 - 12/11/13 07:22 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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My point was that "dying young" is not really what the study was studying at all, so the headline "A New Study Suggests That People Who Don't Drink Alcohol Are More Likely To Die Young" is not backed up by the study at all. People who actually died young never made it to the 55 year cutoff.
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Re: People Who Don't Drink Alcohol Are More Likely To Die Young [Re: psi]
#19259034 - 12/11/13 07:50 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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you just said it yourself the study was over a 20 year span
so anyway
we could we say that people that get past that age are more likely to live longer lives
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Re: People Who Don't Drink Alcohol Are More Likely To Die Young [Re: Uzziel]
#19259129 - 12/11/13 08:35 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Uzziel said:
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ReginaldPMcpoop said: Drinking never helped me make friends.
You either
a) threw up on the hosts girlfriend
b) sat in the corner and chain smoked cigarettes
c) never left the house
d) all the above
so he threw up on his own girlfriend?
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Re: People Who Don't Drink Alcohol Are More Likely To Die Young [Re: hidenseek1]
#19259161 - 12/11/13 08:45 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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When we were teens my drunk brother once vomitted all over his first girlfriend
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Re: People Who Don't Drink Alcohol Are More Likely To Die Young [Re: Konyap]
#19259207 - 12/11/13 09:01 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Illyabo said: you just said it yourself the study was over a 20 year span
so anyway
we could we say that people that get past that age are more likely to live longer lives
Yeah they were 55-65 when it started, so by the end they were 75-85 or dead. The title of the study is "Late-Life Alcohol Consumption and 20-Year Mortality."
But yes, it does appear to show that at least beyond that age you're likely to live longer if you're a moderate drinker. You can only read the first page without paying but it sounds like they tried to control for things like prior drinking problems and health problems as well as other social and demographic factors.
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Re: People Who Don't Drink Alcohol Are More Likely To Die Young [Re: psi]
#19259290 - 12/11/13 09:27 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm gonna get drunk tonight in honor of this. Granted, I was gonna get drunk anyways
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Re: People Who Don't Drink Alcohol Are More Likely To Die Young [Re: koods]
#19259298 - 12/11/13 09:30 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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koods said: How do they define heavy? If we are comparing the portion of the population that doesn't drink, those people are all outliers. People who refuse to ever touch alcohol are not really normal people. It is the personality type that makes them non drinkers - not the other way around.
Or a drinking addiction that they finally conquered.
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