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Dirtygoat
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Multi spore Q?
#19258156 - 12/10/13 11:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Honestly.. I didn't check the search for this question.. But that is because I had no idea what to type to get the answers I was looking for..
I am on my first grow, and aside from imperfect conditions ( low temp [60s], not enough light [cloudy past few days], and proper FAE [sometimes I'm not home up to 12h even though they are in SGFC] ) I read that small fruits may be from genetics because of MS.
So my question is: are MS genetics always random? Like if I spore print a tiny shroom, can it's babies come out bigger and stronger than it? Or would the spores from a tiny shroom continue to make tiny shrooms?
I am asking because I used up the spores I've bought and am wondering if I still have potential for better results if I make my own spore print, or should I buy another syringe? All I need is one good shroom and I will try to clone it (agar or LC) but will I be able to get one if I keep going through random MS?
As always, thanks for any and all comments
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Yes, if you print a baby mushroom anything can happen. It could give small and big fruits on the same substrate. Because each spore has different genetics. Cloning a large mushroom will give you large mushrooms though.
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Dirtygoat said: I am on my first grow, and aside from imperfect conditions ( low temp [60s], not enough light [cloudy past few days], and proper FAE [sometimes I'm not home up to 12h even though they are in SGFC] ) I read that small fruits may be from genetics because of MS.
Low temps will cause slow growth and IMO contribute to your smaller fruits, Light is thought to be important for cap development. I have no idea what your not being home to mist and fan has to do with FAE, that's a source of water and evaporation not FAE.
Fruit size is usually dependent on genetics and available water, but conditions will play a part.
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Dirtygoat said: So my question is: are MS genetics always random? Like if I spore print a tiny shroom, can it's babies come out bigger and stronger than it? Or would the spores from a tiny shroom continue to make tiny shrooms?
Yes its a crapshoot every time. Depends on the other factors I mentioned above. If they are not contributing, then you could see anything.
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Dirtygoat said: I am asking because I used up the spores I've bought and am wondering if I still have potential for better results if I make my own spore print,
Depends what you do with it 
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Dirtygoat said: or should I buy another syringe?
If you want to
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Dirtygoat said: All I need is one good shroom and I will try to clone it (agar or LC)
Don't do LC, agar is best
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FTFY
Each two spores creates new genetics.
mushrooms are sexual creature. each spore contains only half the DNA to create a full strain of mushroom, therefore they must join genetics with a compatible partner.
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Awesome thanks guys! And I do the best I can to keep them in good conditions, it's been much better lately as I found a nice lamp that helps keep the temp up.
Your posts brought up some more questions too:
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Dirtygoat said: I am on my first grow, and aside from imperfect conditions ( low temp [60s], not enough light [cloudy past few days], and proper FAE [sometimes I'm not home up to 12h even though they are in SGFC] ) I read that small fruits may be from genetics because of MS.
Low temps will cause slow growth and IMO contribute to your smaller fruits, Light is thought to be important for cap development. I have no idea what your not being home to mist and fan has to do with FAE, that's a source of water and evaporation not FAE.
Fruit size is usually dependent on genetics and available water, but conditions will play a part.
I have a SGFC so I know available water it not a huge problem, that's a reason I though it could be genetics. I also water at least 3 times a day. I am only a week into fruiting, but my biggest fruit is about an inch and a half and the veil just broke.
But my Q's are: how much should I mist my fruits? About how long would it take for that water to evaporate so I have to mist again? Can I mist too much if I let the water evaporate before misting again? And is it bad for water to be standing in the tin foil the cakes sit on?
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jimmyjame1 said: FTFY
Each two spores creates new genetics.
mushrooms are sexual creature. each spore contains only half the DNA to create a full strain of mushroom, therefore they must join genetics with a compatible partner.
This just got me wondering, can I put two different strain spores in one syringe? What would happen, could it create a new strain? Or should I try not to mix strain spores?
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It won't make new strain if you mix them.
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Re: Multi spore Q? [Re: highc]
#19259289 - 12/11/13 09:26 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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They are already mixed......the name some vendor gave some group of spores means little.
Unless we are talking about an albino variety or PE, chances are you would not be able to tell them apart.
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So both strains would continue to grow, just saring a cake? I wouldn't be messing up their growth by sharing spores right? I'm asking cuz I already can't tell the difference haha, and idk if one of my tiny caps will be enough spores so I might take two from two cakes.
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Re: Multi spore Q? [Re: highc]
#19260893 - 12/11/13 03:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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highc said: It won't make new strain if you mix them.
a new strain is created every time two spore compatible spores connect in a clamp connection. so by strain your talking about endless possibilities and every time you start with MS your working with many new strains that have never been germinated before. so unless your working with an isolated clone, your make a new strain every time you grow.
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that's pretty cool. i mean they are all psilocybin cubensis, but their slight difference makes them their own type of cubes.
this got me wondering, if i cloned an ugly shroom, like the stem is just all over the place, will it's clones come out all weird too? or is the weirdness just because of the conditions it grew in as it was maturing?
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only one way to find out
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Re: Multi spore Q? [Re: cronicr]
#19261093 - 12/11/13 04:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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This could depend on many factors....
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Notahacker420 said: This could depend on many factors....
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