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Fapmaster Flex
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Are these jars fully colonized? (lots of pics) HELP!!
#19258031 - 12/10/13 10:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hi there, It's my first grow, I inoculated my jars exactly a month ago and there are some parts which I am not able to tell if they are colonized or not. It seems that what I see is only verm over the cakes... is it possible that the mycelium chooses not to colonize the verm in the substrate since it is not nutritious? I believe I have mixed well enough the rice flour and verm though... I don't really think they have been shaken either.
Whatever the cakes look like here (it seems like my cakes always appear super gross on pics), there is no contams or smell I can notice, and I have looked at them very carefully. I have incubated them at 75°F and the growth has been super rhyzomorphic. Is it possible that rhyzomorphs does not coat the substrate evenly like fuzzy mycelium does? I am confused because the cakes I see everywhere on pics are completely white, and mine have been almost all looking like that for at least a week and a half(thats why I flipped them 2 days ago). Also, the cakes have shrunk A LOT and and I am worried the myc will consume too much nutrients, resulting in poor fruiting. At least half of them are already pinning.
Edited by Fapmaster Flex (12/10/13 10:42 PM)
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Re: Are these jars fully colonized? (lots of pics) HELP!! [Re: Fapmaster Flex]
#19258294 - 12/11/13 12:01 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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IMHO they need more time to colonize put them in the dark and don't look at them for a week or so. when you check them often it exposes them to light and light is a pinning trigger. but indeed they need more time for sure they should look solid white.
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Re: Are these jars fully colonized? (lots of pics) HELP!! [Re: Halophorm]
#19258385 - 12/11/13 12:37 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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They're pinning. Dunk and fruit them now.
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Re: Are these jars fully colonized? (lots of pics) HELP!! [Re: 36fuckin5]
#19258388 - 12/11/13 12:38 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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They're pinning, and should be good.
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Fapmaster Flex
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Re: Are these jars fully colonized? (lots of pics) HELP!! [Re: Halophorm]
#19258479 - 12/11/13 01:28 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Halophorm said: IMHO they need more time to colonize put them in the dark and don't look at them for a week or so. when you check them often it exposes them to light and light is a pinning trigger. but indeed they need more time for sure they should look solid white.
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EarthTalker said: They're pinning, and should be good.
Thanks guys for such a quick reply! Although I am still confused because of your mixed answers... Halophorm, I thought colonization was supposed to be done in normal light?
36 and EarthTalker, you guys think I should birth them only because they pinned? Why is it bad to have in vitro pinning? Also, did you ever had cakes that were fully colonized and looked like these (i.e. do they look fully colonized to you)?
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36fuckin5
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Re: Are these jars fully colonized? (lots of pics) HELP!! [Re: Fapmaster Flex]
#19258487 - 12/11/13 01:32 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Invitro won't fruit nearly as much.
Yes, I've had it happen. It looks like your dry verm layer fell a little bit. If it smells good and you don't see mold when you open it, knock off any uncolonized part and dunk and roll as normal.
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Re: Are these jars fully colonized? (lots of pics) HELP!! [Re: 36fuckin5]
#19258517 - 12/11/13 01:46 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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36fuckin5 said: Invitro won't fruit nearly as much.
Pardon my noobiness but : I know in vitro FRUITING leads to crappy results. You meant in vitro PINNING also dimishes yields to subsequent fruiting in standard sgfc?
Also, should I take pinning as a sign of full colonization of the cake, including its inside?
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Re: Are these jars fully colonized? (lots of pics) HELP!! [Re: Fapmaster Flex]
#19258533 - 12/11/13 01:55 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Invitro pinning doesn't diminish yields.
They're telling you they want to fruit. Listen to them.
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Re: Are these jars fully colonized? (lots of pics) HELP!! [Re: 36fuckin5]
#19259402 - 12/11/13 10:04 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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ahaha ok. Shrooms probably know more about shrooms than I do
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Re: Are these jars fully colonized? (lots of pics) HELP!! [Re: Fapmaster Flex]
#19263136 - 12/11/13 10:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Anyway, being still unsure about the whole thing, I will probably birth a few of the most advanced ones and see what happens. Hopefully I get no contams and a great pinset!
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Re: Are these jars fully colonized? (lots of pics) HELP!! [Re: Fapmaster Flex]
#19263268 - 12/11/13 10:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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All the ones which are pinning are past the time they should have been birthed, so you really want to get everything with even one tiny pin on it into the dunk right now.
As for the others? If they haven't changed in a week, probably what happened is that your cake shrank and some of the dry vermiculite fell down the sides. This isn't a big deal, but it'll never look like the original cake. Birth anything that hasn't changed in over a week, and if there's anything uncolonized brush it off. If it fails the sniff test, chuck it in the trash.
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Re: Are these jars fully colonized? (lots of pics) HELP!! [Re: Psilicon]
#19263409 - 12/11/13 10:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Okay then! I will birth them right NOW! Should I dunk 'em in warm or cold water?
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Re: Are these jars fully colonized? (lots of pics) HELP!! [Re: Fapmaster Flex]
#19263426 - 12/11/13 11:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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You need it to be exactly the temperature of Gulf Coast rainwater after a late summer storm.
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Re: Are these jars fully colonized? (lots of pics) HELP!! [Re: Psilicon]
#19263510 - 12/11/13 11:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hahaha thanks! I just figured I could use cold tap water. Guess I should have used the search function
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Re: Are these jars fully colonized? (lots of pics) HELP!! [Re: 36fuckin5]
#19263637 - 12/11/13 11:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
36fuckin5 said: They're pinning. Dunk and fruit them now.
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36fuckin5 said: Invitro won't fruit nearly as much.
Yes, I've had it happen. It looks like your dry verm layer fell a little bit. If it smells good and you don't see mold when you open it, knock off any uncolonized part and dunk and roll as normal.
Yeah he's right on. I've seen myco bags pin early before they fully colonize everyone said to let em' finish. but after 36 mentioned the verm layer falling I realized that's exactly the case they're 100%. my bad.
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Re: Are these jars fully colonized? (lots of pics) HELP!! [Re: Halophorm]
#19263875 - 12/12/13 12:54 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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No prob Halophorm! Always hard to tell anything from those shitty cellphone pics. Anyway, birthed those cakes 5 minutes ago. Everything fine, except they shrunk to the point of being ridiculously small and already have some shrooms growing on them, which I tried not to disturb too much when rinsing/dunking. Not easy!
Also, one had a little spot of trich. It was growing under the dry verm layer so I did not discover it until I scraped the verm off. It must have appeared there very recently, because it was small and I remember dropping one of the cake which could have made the verm shift. I threw the cake away If only it was summer here (I live in Quebec)... I would have spawned the thing in a park or something. I am just wondering, is there something I did wrong when preparing the cakes for all that verm to have fallen on the sides? I mean, it gets really hard to tell if your jars are colonized or not if the cakes are covered with the stuff. Should I have compacted the jars more to ensure the cake would not shrink as much?
Anyway, big thanks again to all of you guys. I really appreciate the precious help on the shroomery. I hope I will have enough experience someday to help & teach to others this awesome hobby.
Edited by Fapmaster Flex (12/12/13 01:51 PM)
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