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viktor
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Re: Islam Is A Religion of Peace? [Re: Roger Wilco] 1
#19258856 - 12/11/13 06:04 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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The issue had very little to do with Islam in my opinion. I don't care much what religion/race/nationality someone is, but I can still believe that breaking someone's arm with a car like this is less barbaric than what a mob of the nearest people, whatever their religion, may have wanted.
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Icelander
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Re: Islam Is A Religion of Peace? [Re: Ellis Dee]
#19258871 - 12/11/13 06:20 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ellis Dee said: There is nothing about loving war and violence for the perfection they are that should indicate someone is themselves violent. It is a necessary step in personal evolution for perfect love. My love in unconditional and pure for the violent and for the meek, for I am pure and holy. Re-read my post until you understand my heresy.
Well if I thought for a moment that this post wasn't a huge pile of self-inflated I might go back and try and make sense of your nonsense but since I'm not buying right at the moment I think I'll move on.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Islam Is A Religion of Peace? [Re: viktor]
#19258873 - 12/11/13 06:21 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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viktor said: The issue had very little to do with Islam in my opinion. I don't care much what religion/race/nationality someone is, but I can still believe that breaking someone's arm with a car like this is less barbaric than what a mob of the nearest people, whatever their religion, may have wanted.
What?
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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White Beard

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Re: Islam Is A Religion of Peace? [Re: Roger Wilco] 1
#19259482 - 12/11/13 10:30 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Roger Wilco said: Have any of you read any foundational Islamic texts? Say the Koran?
I'm reading it right now and what it says is that you shouldn't kill, unless it's in self-defense of yourself or of the faith. I suspect why this leads to so many Jihadists is because it seems kind of an open interpretation of what constitutes an aggression against Islam.
From my understanding of Islamic history, this command was originally issued because the Meccans sent an army to destroy the Muslims, so they had to fight or be destroyed. Up until that point the Islamic message was non-violent. Today, it seems like anything constitutes as a threat against Islam. Drawing a funny cartoon of Muhammad is seen as aggression worthy of fighting back and killing over. Seems taken away from the original context.
Edited by White Beard (12/11/13 10:38 AM)
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Re: Islam Is A Religion of Peace? [Re: Icelander]
#19260058 - 12/11/13 12:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Icelander said:
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viktor said: The issue had very little to do with Islam in my opinion. I don't care much what religion/race/nationality someone is, but I can still believe that breaking someone's arm with a car like this is less barbaric than what a mob of the nearest people, whatever their religion, may have wanted.
What?
I have the same reaction to his posts, sadly.
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Re: Islam Is A Religion of Peace? [Re: CosmicJoke] 1
#19260981 - 12/11/13 03:52 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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CosmicJoke said: "Religion of Peace" = oxymoron by all evidence, but particularly the monotheistic religions, which have been amongst the worst disasters to ever befall the human race. I still prize Christianity as owning claims to the bloodiest and most destructive career of fanaticism on this planet, comparatively Islam is just the FOTM.
Maybe, but they are mostly silenced for now or barely religious. Muslims still take their religion very seriously and are a strong and dangerous force on this planet. You probably don't live with many of them in America. I see quite a few over here and they are very backward even in Europe and even compared to Christians IMO.
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Re: Islam Is A Religion of Peace? [Re: Grapefruit]
#19261607 - 12/11/13 05:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Grapefruit said:
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CosmicJoke said: "Religion of Peace" = oxymoron by all evidence, but particularly the monotheistic religions, which have been amongst the worst disasters to ever befall the human race. I still prize Christianity as owning claims to the bloodiest and most destructive career of fanaticism on this planet, comparatively Islam is just the FOTM.
Maybe, but they are mostly silenced for now or barely religious. Muslims still take their religion very seriously and are a strong and dangerous force on this planet. You probably don't live with many of them in America. I see quite a few over here and they are very backward even in Europe and even compared to Christians IMO.
Dangerous to who? I'm sure a lot of people consider Christian nations to be quite dangerous.
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Re: Islam Is A Religion of Peace? [Re: CosmicJoke]
#19261741 - 12/11/13 06:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Those religions are related. And for good reason.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Islam Is A Religion of Peace? [Re: Icelander]
#19261832 - 12/11/13 06:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm in agreement. But when it comes to the masquerade of a Religion of Love based on arrogance, megalomania, a deep rooted sense of moral superiority to those who don't belong, and having been in more wars and having fought them with greater ferocity, I just want to make sure the Christians aren't left out either.
-------------------- Everything is better than it was the last time. I'm good. If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care. It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence. I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too. If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.
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Re: Islam Is A Religion of Peace? [Re: CosmicJoke] 2
#19261873 - 12/11/13 06:35 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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CosmicJoke said: ...I just want to make sure the Christians aren't left out either. 
They are not. Every time Islam is criticized somebody feels the need to bring up Christianity as though its relevant or some kind of excuse. Its not. Its a lame diversionary tactic.
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Re: Islam Is A Religion of Peace? [Re: DieCommie]
#19261974 - 12/11/13 06:52 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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DieCommie said:
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CosmicJoke said: ...I just want to make sure the Christians aren't left out either. 
They are not. Every time Islam is criticized somebody feels the need to bring up Christianity as though its relevant or some kind of excuse. Its not. Its a lame diversionary tactic.
I'm actually not sure that's the case, I find the parallels between monotheistic religions revealing regarding violent muslims. To me, it's just something to talk about while we wait for somebody to come to the defense of the Islam as a "religion of peace", which was what the OP was looking for... We might be waiting for that a long ass time, particularly with the segregation of the spirituality forum (I can think of one dude who occasionally makes 'copy & paste' type Islamic threads there, and for better or worse, he might have posted in this thread back when we had P&S). IMO we need somebody to defend Islam for this thread to stay on topic, otherwise it's all diversion, because nobody can do it.
-------------------- Everything is better than it was the last time. I'm good. If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care. It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence. I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too. If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.
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Re: Islam Is A Religion of Peace? [Re: Ellis Dee] 2
#19262747 - 12/11/13 09:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I was in India living with Muslims. Some of the coolest people I've ever met. The notion that they prey multiple times a day seems to make them much more in touch with their morality than us westerners. I think it's safe to say the religion is no more barbaric than Christianity. As mentioned before, Moses was a pretty sinister warmonger in the Old Testament. The people using it are just in generally war-torn areas with lots of bad history. Thus, there will be bad people. The whole Irish conflict shows any religion can be used to justify atrocities.
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DieCommie

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TheOtherAdamSmith said: The whole Irish conflict shows any religion can be used to justify atrocities.
I dont think that is in debate at all. We all know that atrocities can be justified many ways. The point is that even though any religion CAN be used to justify, some religions actually ARE used to justify atrocities. Personal, anecdotal experiences do not trump statistics.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/05/01/64-percent-of-muslims-in-egypt-and-pakistan-support-the-death-penalty-for-leaving-islam/
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