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Icesyn
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Practical Medias -The Ultimate Substrate Guide-
#19257587 - 12/10/13 08:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sorry everyone this thread should be deleted.
Edited by Icesyn (12/11/13 09:08 PM)
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Tmethyl
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Re: Practical Medias -The Ultimate Substrate Guide- [Re: Icesyn]
#19257616 - 12/10/13 09:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Excellent work, love the layout and succinctness.
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Re: Practical Medias -The Ultimate Substrate Guide- [Re: Tmethyl]
#19257626 - 12/10/13 09:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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i thought that said something like suckyness at first
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Re: Practical Medias -The Ultimate Substrate Guide- [Re: newera]
#19257642 - 12/10/13 09:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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newera said: i thought that said something like suckyness at first
Very sesquipedalian loquacious, of me. Also, it's quite paradoxical that calling yourself sesquipedalian loquacious, is in fact being sesquipedalian. But that's how I roll.
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Re: Practical Medias -The Ultimate Substrate Guide- [Re: Tmethyl]
#19257647 - 12/10/13 09:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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your mom(all i could think to say to that one)
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Icesyn
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Re: Practical Medias -The Ultimate Substrate Guide- [Re: Tmethyl]
#19257660 - 12/10/13 09:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Tmethyl said: Also, it's quite paradoxical that calling yourself sesquipedalian Loquaciousness, is in fact being sesquipedalian. But that's how I roll. 
I bet you're a wine kind of fella. Thanks for the complement!
Let's stay on topic though. It hasn't even been ten minutes.
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Re: Practical Medias -The Ultimate Substrate Guide- [Re: Icesyn]
#19257692 - 12/10/13 09:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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wuts this about brf being less nutritous? i'm certain it's more nutritious then most grains if i'm correct(and apologies for the off topic)
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Re: Practical Medias -The Ultimate Substrate Guide- [Re: Icesyn]
#19257735 - 12/10/13 09:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Stop being pedantic tmethyl;) Damn I guess I didn't really read through what the op wrote my bad but it was a good idea to list all grain, casing and agar materials and ingredients along with what they do and how to use them in 1 thread since I've never seen one before
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Icesyn
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Re: Practical Medias -The Ultimate Substrate Guide- [Re: newera]
#19257770 - 12/10/13 09:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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newera said: wuts this about brf being less nutritous? i'm certain it's more nutritious then most grains if i'm correct(and apologies for the off topic)
Rye Nutrition, Brown Rice Nutrition
No worries you're on topic. These kind of questions are very welcome. Information is power.
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Re: Practical Medias -The Ultimate Substrate Guide- [Re: Icesyn]
#19258527 - 12/11/13 01:52 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Icesyn said: Spawn to Casing Substrate
No such thing as a Casing Substrate.
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We can do grain to grain transfers thus controlling and minimizing genetic variations with proper practice.
G2G does no such thing.
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And yes, grain to grain is considered cloning.
No it's not.
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Although not considered practical due to it's price and local availability (unless you are one of a lucky bunch)
WTF are you talking about? Just about anyone can get rye in quantity for cheap. It's the minority that can't. Others just don't want to look, so they settle for WBS.
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Considered confusing to those new to grains this media must be prepared a little differently compared to rye.
WBS is not considered confusing. The prep is exactly the same for me, and it depends on which prep you follow.
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Although this is not used like grain spawn due to the fact separating the grains while in the jar is damn near impossible and it having far less nutrition,
Separating the grain is plenty easy in a PF cake. Lots of people spawn them, and they have LOTS of nutrition. In fact, in most tests I've seen, PF cakes tend to have a higher BE than just about any other method. They're just a lot of work if you want bulk.
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Because it is less nutritious proper sterility can be achieved with an hour steam or a half hour in a pressure cooker at 15psi.
Not because it's less nutritious. And you still need an hour in the PC.
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but not cased due to lack of nutrients.
PF cakes are crumbled and cased all the time and it works fine.
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Casings lack nutrition
Not completely, but mostly.
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Ounce at field capacity it is layered on top and sometimes beneath a layer of spawn.
*Once.
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Beneficial Additives
Vermiculite
Verm is not an additive.
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Re: Practical Medias -The Ultimate Substrate Guide- [Re: 36fuckin5]
#19258800 - 12/11/13 05:25 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Verm is not an additive
I'm not sure if you're saying it is isn't nutritive, but I thought you might find this interesting.
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I've been saying verm has nutrition for fungi ever since the pf tek first came out over a decade ago. In addition, anyone who has had a plain verm casing layer taken over by trich or cobweb also agrees.
Now, the manufacturer touts verm as a natural 'fertilizer'. Why do we have to keep having this conversation?
If you're growing wood decomposing species, sawdust is what you want. For dung and straw loving species, vermiculite has what cubes for example, love. RR
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Re: Practical Medias -The Ultimate Substrate Guide- [Re: 36fuckin5]
#19258969 - 12/11/13 07:18 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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36fuckin5 said: A bunch of bullshit.
Lol you are such a jackass. I do not agree with any of that.
Edited by Icesyn (12/11/13 07:34 AM)
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Re: Practical Medias -The Ultimate Substrate Guide- [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
#19258977 - 12/11/13 07:20 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Verm is not an additive
I'm not sure if you're saying it is isn't nutritive, but I thought you might find this interesting.
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I've been saying verm has nutrition for fungi ever since the pf tek first came out over a decade ago. In addition, anyone who has had a plain verm casing layer taken over by trich or cobweb also agrees.
Now, the manufacturer touts verm as a natural 'fertilizer'. Why do we have to keep having this conversation?
If you're growing wood decomposing species, sawdust is what you want. For dung and straw loving species, vermiculite has what cubes for example, love. RR
It kinda is an addative but your right on nutrition. It does supply the myc with some beneficial nutes.
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Re: Practical Medias -The Ultimate Substrate Guide- [Re: Icesyn]
#19259698 - 12/11/13 11:34 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Icesyn said:
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36fuckin5 said: A bunch of bullshit.
Lol you are such a jackass. I do not agree with any of that.
Then you need to read a fucking book, cocksucker. You're an idiot and can't even get terminology right.
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Re: Practical Medias -The Ultimate Substrate Guide- [Re: 36fuckin5]
#19259729 - 12/11/13 11:44 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Practical Medias -The Ultimate Substrate Guide- [Re: 36fuckin5]
#19259777 - 12/11/13 11:57 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Practical Medias -The Ultimate Substrate Guide- [Re: PussyFart]
#19259784 - 12/11/13 12:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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im not even gonna start. you guys seem to have this one cornered.....
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Re: Practical Medias -The Ultimate Substrate Guide- [Re: 36fuckin5]
#19259938 - 12/11/13 12:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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bodhisatta said in red:
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36fuckin5 said:
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Icesyn said: Spawn to Casing Substrate
No such thing as a Casing Substrate. +1 36f5
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We can do grain to grain transfers thus controlling and minimizing genetic variations with proper practice.
G2G does no such thing. +1 36f5, can you explain how this occurs icesyn?
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And yes, grain to grain is considered cloning.
No it's not. +1 36f5, again care to offer an explanation icesyn?
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Although not considered practical due to it's price and local availability (unless you are one of a lucky bunch)
WTF are you talking about? Just about anyone can get rye in quantity for cheap. It's the minority that can't. Others just don't want to look, so they settle for WBS. +1 36f5, shit rye is easier to find than bird seed for me. I can find it for under a dollar a pound at 3 yuppie food stores within 5 miles.
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Considered confusing to those new to grains this media must be prepared a little differently compared to rye.
WBS is not considered confusing. The prep is exactly the same for me, and it depends on which prep you follow. +1 36f5, they're both easy, grain prep is a 4th grader skill
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Although this is not used like grain spawn due to the fact separating the grains while in the jar is damn near impossible and it having far less nutrition,
Separating the grain is plenty easy in a PF cake. Lots of people spawn them, and they have LOTS of nutrition. In fact, in most tests I've seen, PF cakes tend to have a higher BE than just about any other method. They're just a lot of work if you want bulk. +1 36f5
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Because it is less nutritious proper sterility can be achieved with an hour steam or a half hour in a pressure cooker at 15psi.
Not because it's less nutritious. And you still need an hour in the PC. +1 36f5, brf is MORE nutritious
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but not cased due to lack of nutrients.
PF cakes are crumbled and cased all the time and it works fine. +1 36f5, some people only do cased cakes
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Casings lack nutrition
Not completely, but mostly. +1 36f5, some casings have slight nutrition to myceliu,
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Ounce at field capacity it is layered on top and sometimes beneath a layer of spawn.
*Once. +1 36f5, lol
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Beneficial Additives
Vermiculite
Verm is not an additive. +1 36f5, well kind of an additive, but for the sake of terminology and common practice it's not an additive as the OP is suggesting.
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Re: Practical Medias -The Ultimate Substrate Guide- [Re: bodhisatta]
#19259963 - 12/11/13 12:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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this thread, is a classic.
its rare , an OP , would be so misinformed. oh who am i kidding, this kinda gibberish is common, after all, he learned it somewhere.
we have to ask ourselves, as a community, how this poor soul, could be so lost.

rather than attack, we might be better served, suggesting he read threads lighter on fantasy.
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Re: Practical Medias -The Ultimate Substrate Guide- [Re: anne halonium] 2
#19260018 - 12/11/13 12:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Anne - way too many commas in there, and misplaced commas too, I should add. Leave the commas alone - they didn't do anything wrong, they are innocent!
Also to OP - that tek is out there, man. Geez.
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