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OfflineTurtletotem
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Re: I finally see an error in our judgment. [Re: Smeagol]
    #19254465 - 12/10/13 09:21 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

When people I know want to get into psychedelics, I usually take note of how they handle cannabis first. You can kinda see witch people will have problems on shrooms, and witch people will be just fine. Hard to explain, but it has worked for me.


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Re: I finally see an error in our judgment. [Re: Turtletotem]
    #19254639 - 12/10/13 10:17 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I tend to advise people not to take huge doses
Not sure who the OP is listening to but it's about the experience, not who can take the highest dose

Everyone has an opinion... Shroomery is a community made of of various types, from various backgrounds

Trip responsibly

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Re: I finally see an error in our judgment. [Re: HarryL]
    #19256318 - 12/10/13 04:49 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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HarryL said:
I tend to advise people not to take huge doses
Not sure who the OP is listening to but it's about the experience, not who can take the highest dose

Everyone has an opinion... Shroomery is a community made of of various types, from various backgrounds

Trip responsibly

Peace




I'm just basing this off my experience really. I know that I'm scared to do anything over 2.5, the reality bender is just a bit too much. Maybe if I had a guide for once instead of having to guide myself...

Also I know what psychedelic limbo is, and how much that sucks. I'd put that around like .75 to 1 grams. I hate that feeling!


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Re: I finally see an error in our judgment. [Re: DebuteMachine]
    #19256624 - 12/10/13 05:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I have some friends I'll be taking on their first shroom journey soon.  I'm only taken them a few times in my life, with only one heroic dose.  It's fun, but I think we're all keeping it to 2-3gs this go round.  I don't really seek enlightenment, I'm just in it for a good time and some laughs.


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Re: I finally see an error in our judgment. [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
    #19256807 - 12/10/13 06:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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As a matter of fact, this dumbass that I am talking about does not deserve the psychedelic experience. He has no respect for it, he abuses it and wants nothing more out of it than pretty colors. I gave him a chance and he told everyone, within a shouts reach of his loud ass, who generously provided him with those mushrooms, free of charge. He talked about a 1.5 gram trip saying "it was so intense bro! The whole room turned blue/red(it changes everytime he tells it) and then I thought the room was closing in on me and I screamed and ran out of the room!" There was someone in the room with him sleeping that night who reports no scream. He fakes experiences like this to try to compare to my actual bad trip on 5 grams. His only goal in taking psychedelics is to be cool and get high and that is just unacceptable. I genuinely believed they would help his assinign behavior, but clearly it is only something for him to brag about to his friends or everyone who asks. I mean really, just today this ass wipe came to school on "acid," I'm almost positive it's fake, ergo the quotes. Someone with any respect for the psychedelic experience would never think of doing that. I'm a grower so in a short time I will have an almost unlimited supply, and I'm heavily considering giving him a large dose, with his consent of course. The destruction of his ego, which he has built up with lies of his sexual conquests and all of his borderline mentally challenging drug experiences, would be destroyed and he just may be able to gain respect for the experience. Until then I am not fueling his abuse of a beautiful substance and risking my freedom for a 6 hour high from the 1.5 grams of shrooms he eats without any intention of gaining anything except for another story to brag about to his friends. Sorry for the long winded speech/vent sesh, this guys really been pissing me off lately and I wanted to reiterate that he DOES NOT deserve the psychedelic experience until he learns to respect the substances he is trying to simply get high off of. If he wants high, go huff freon, don't disrespect my sacred fungus. Again, sorry about that.




hey, you made it clear that you think this friend of yours dont desereve the experience. but your planning on getting your point across to him by giving him a dose he is most likely not able to handle. you just might end up succeeding and shutting him up, but at what cost. is it really worth satisfying your need to put him in his place by talking him into something thats to big for him (consent or not, you're the one who knows what he's up against, or at least you should know, if you are considering a thing like that)
i get why you are pissed off, but i think you might be right when you say he doesn't deserev it. so let him earn it, if he really wants to know, then i reckon the best way is to not give him anything anymore but make him work for it. first step of proving yourself worthy can be sticking to your own grow from start to finnish. he is a friend, if you know better than him, look out for him, don't waste him for something he doesn't understand yet.


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Re: I finally see an error in our judgment. [Re: shroomy stan]
    #19256818 - 12/10/13 06:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I pretty much will not trip with anyone who hasn't already tripped again in my life. Some people are really unstable and have gone through life learning how to hide it. I had a friend who has never been the same after we did acid. Do I really think it was the acid? No. I think it was about to happen anyway. But what about what his parents think? What if he hurt himself at the time, what would the police think? I feel with the internet those of us who are interested enough will find a way to trip, and find like minded people. But other than maybe one or two people I met in university whose minds are extremely interesting, I will not trip with someone new again. I also will never and have never sell drugs. There's no big secret, all this information is on the internet. You can nudge them in the right direction but don't make it so easy for them, like offering a drunk person cocaine. If people had this attitude in the beginning the sixties wouldn't have become a giant shit show that ended with thousands of arrests and draconian laws. And I really don't think pot will tell you anything about how someone will be affected by psychedelics. Some peoples view of reality is so so fragile. Pot enforces it, psychedelics tear it to shreds.


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Re: I finally see an error in our judgment. [Re: jellyfish]
    #19256858 - 12/10/13 06:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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hey, you made it clear that you think this friend of yours dont desereve the experience. but your planning on getting your point across to him by giving him a dose he is most likely not able to handle. you just might end up succeeding and shutting him up, but at what cost. is it really worth satisfying your need to put him in his place by talking him into something thats to big for him (consent or not, you're the one who knows what he's up against, or at least you should know, if you are considering a thing like that)
i get why you are pissed off, but i think you might be right when you say he doesn't deserev it. so let him earn it, if he really wants to know, then i reckon the best way is to not give him anything anymore but make him work for it. first step of proving yourself worthy can be sticking to your own grow from start to finnish. he is a friend, if you know better than him, look out for him, don't waste him for something he doesn't understand yet.



I suppose you're right. Most of all, I want him to gain a healthy respect of psychedelics. 3.5 grams of shrooms should do that without being traumatic. If that doesn't work then I'll just have to cut him off. I want him to look back on the experiences and say "I leaned so much about myself and my world, that was amazing." Not "BRO I WAZ TRYPIN BALLZ!" Haha.


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Re: I finally see an error in our judgment. [Re: DebuteMachine]
    #19258014 - 12/10/13 10:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Every situation is unique and ought to be treated as such.

what is your context?

what is your intention?

is there a truly right (or wrong) way to participate?

me thinks it comes down to your individual preference.

sure, personally I advocate doing your due research, and taking all sources with a grain of salt.

It bugs me when people put Terence on a pedestal, yes he made numerous contributions to psychedelic culture, does that mean his (or anyone elses) word is gold, infallible? is Terrence's experience the only possible experience? We seem so caught on the experience of others we miss our own.

It doesn't seem to be a one size fits all experience


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Re: I finally see an error in our judgment. [Re: Piecefillpath247]
    #19260084 - 12/11/13 01:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I think if you're going to introduce them to it, if none have prior experience, and all are game to try, then give them a lower dose.  I have always experienced some sort of positive feeling from even lower doses, whether it's colorful visuals, or the ability to seemingly understand the entire universe and how it came to be.  I've never found it too intense to handle, even at the worst of times.  When i trip on lower doses, the bad channels seem to change faster than the good ones, if you know what i mean.  I find smaller social settings and outdoor walks in the woods the best setting for smaller doses.

If any wish to try more afterwards, then at least they'll have some sort of idea on what to expect, so when the next trip gets more intense, it will be somewhat familiar to them, and less scary....just my .02


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