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which filmmakers get high? * 1
    #19255908 - 12/10/13 03:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

How much has psychedelics influenced entertainment?
The more I watch movies and look up writer/director interviews on youtube, the more I start to think that most successful filmmakers eat psychedelics on the reg.

Filmmakers who partake, no question about it: charlie kaufman, wachowski siblings, lars von trier, tim burton, peter jackson, terry gilliam, david lynch, stanley kubrik, spike jonze.

Filmmakers who probably partake(took) every now and then: james cameron, christopher nolan, robert zebeckis, george lucas, darren aronofsky, walt disney.
who else?

american culture and opinion is hugely shaped by entertainment. and entertainment has been hugely shaped by psychedelics. through movies, the world has been learning the lessons of various plants/chemicals without really knowing it.


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Re: which filmmakers get high? [Re: mt cleverest]
    #19255947 - 12/10/13 03:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Just watch their movies qnd you will know... it is usually the writers you should keep an eye upon though...


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Re: which filmmakers get high? [Re: mt cleverest]
    #19255953 - 12/10/13 03:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Quentin Tarantino is pretty open about his drug use.


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Re: which filmmakers get high? [Re: durbanguy]
    #19255962 - 12/10/13 03:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

tommy chong seems like a classic example of a dumb stoner when you watch cheech and chong but what most people dont know is that he actually directed those movies as well as acting in them.


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Re: which filmmakers get high? [Re: durbanguy]
    #19255967 - 12/10/13 03:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Everybody does drugs but it's socially wrong.

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Re: which filmmakers get high? [Re: mt cleverest]
    #19256004 - 12/10/13 03:45 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

i would bet money that Richard Linklater has partook in psychedelics!


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Re: which filmmakers get high? [Re: DrugsRGood]
    #19256017 - 12/10/13 03:47 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You sure about David Lynch? I think he's into TM and TM only. Maybe I'm wrong.

James Cameron's imagination is so limited, I'd hardly want him as a poster boy for dr00gz. Same w/ George Lucas.

Trippiest movies of all time are by Andy Warhol, Paul Sharits, Michael Snow.


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Re: which filmmakers get high? [Re: awakendone]
    #19256063 - 12/10/13 03:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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awakendone said:
i would bet money that Richard Linklater has partook in psychedelics!




oh definitely. after waking life, Im sure of it.

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durbanguy said:
Quentin Tarantino is pretty open about his drug use.




I knew tarantino did drugs but I wasnt sure if he did psychedelics. His movies dont seem that psychedelic to me. theyre just super cool flicks, ya know?

Duncan Jones is another. The son of David Bowie. he directed moon, source code, and is about to direct the new starcraft movie.


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Re: which filmmakers get high? [Re: Me_Roy]
    #19256234 - 12/10/13 04:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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You sure about David Lynch? I think he's into TM and TM only. Maybe I'm wrong.

James Cameron's imagination is so limited, I'd hardly want him as a poster boy for dr00gz. Same w/ George Lucas.

Trippiest movies of all time are by Andy Warhol, Paul Sharits, Michael Snow.




no I wasnt sure about david lynch. I assumed. youre right though, he probably only does TM.  but what about his early days? there's no way the guy has NEVER touched a psychedelic. I would guess that his early drug use is what led him to TM in the first place, like it did with a bunch of other people his age. TM done right is probably pretty close to the psychedelic experience anyways.

I said James Cameron because he said he came up with the idea for avatar while dreaming lol. I feel like george lucas used to trip in the 70s when he was reading joseph campbell and  breaking new ground with star wars and thx 1131, but now it looks like hes stopped using.
I dont know about those other guys.


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Re: which filmmakers get high? [Re: mt cleverest]
    #19256411 - 12/10/13 05:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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mt cleverest said:


I knew tarantino did drugs but I wasnt sure if he did psychedelics. His movies dont seem that psychedelic to me. theyre just super cool flicks, ya know?





I know what you mean. I wouldn't be surprised if Tarantino was into psychedelics but I'm not sure either.

Oliver Stone is another film maker that comes to mind. He directed Natural Born Killers and has told reporters he's into mushrooms, ecstasy, and LSD.


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Re: which filmmakers get high? [Re: durbanguy]
    #19256534 - 12/10/13 05:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

What's your evidence for Peter Jackson? For Kubrick?


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Re: which filmmakers get high? [Re: durbanguy]
    #19256543 - 12/10/13 05:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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durbanguy said:
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mt cleverest said:


I knew tarantino did drugs but I wasnt sure if he did psychedelics. His movies dont seem that psychedelic to me. theyre just super cool flicks, ya know?





I know what you mean. I wouldn't be surprised if Tarantino was into psychedelics but I'm not sure either.

Oliver Stone is another film maker that comes to mind. He directed Natural Born Killers and has told reporters he's into mushrooms, ecstasy, and LSD.




Oliver Stone seems the most likely out of the entire list. His brand of paranoia is like a less interesting version of Thomas Pynchon's.


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Re: which filmmakers get high? [Re: Me_Roy] * 1
    #19256562 - 12/10/13 05:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I guess that all my posts in this thread are driving at one point: it's easy to assume that interesting/imaginative things must have been inspired by the drugs we know and love. However, I think this is far less often the case then we would assume. Take Philip K. Dick for example. His books are truly psychedelic in many ways, but I've seen no evidence that he was trying to depict or was otherwise reacting to psychedelic experience.

For every former head who produces interesting art/media 100 put on pinstripes in the morning to go work in banks.


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Re: which filmmakers get high? [Re: mt cleverest]
    #19256577 - 12/10/13 05:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

the french guy who did that movie Renegade is definitely no stranger to ayahuasca!


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Re: which filmmakers get high? [Re: mt cleverest]
    #19260283 - 12/11/13 01:52 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I'm a bit interested in this too but it's annoying to read assumptions presented as fact.

"Filmmakers who partake, no question about it: David Lynch"

I'd be pretty dubious on that. As Me_Roy said, Lynch's thing is TM - which he's been doing for decades - and I'm pretty sure he does not advocate psychedelic use. I've heard him comment on it before and IIRC he basically said meditation is better (not sure if that was based on experience or not). He does seem to smoke a fair bit tobacco though (from a doco I saw), he may well have partook earlier in life.

I'd wonder about Kubrik too.

I also don't like to hear psychedelics put on a pedestal. They're incredible and mind-blowing and all the rest of it, but many (most?) people do incredible things without them. The kind of mystical/psychedelic experiences you get from drugs are not limited as effects from metabolites, as you know. I personally think it's better to assume the origins as the artist's own genius, or the grace of God, or wonder of the universe etc. but I agree that psychedelics have been quite influential in the art/entertainment world.

Regarding PKD, I believe he was a user. Not the best source but here's a quote from WikiPedia:

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Drug use (including religious, recreational, and abuse) was also a theme in many of Dick's works, such as A Scanner Darkly and The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch. Dick was a drug user for much of his life. According to a 1975 interview in Rolling Stone, Dick wrote all of his books published before 1970 while on amphetamines. "A Scanner Darkly (1977) was the first complete novel I had written without speed", said Dick in the interview. He also experimented briefly with psychedelics, but wrote The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch, which Rolling Stone dubs "the classic LSD novel of all time", before he had ever tried them. Despite his heavy amphetamine use, however, Dick later said that doctors had told him that the amphetamines never actually affected him, that his liver had processed them before they reached his brain.




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Re: which filmmakers get high? [Re: KGB Is Go]
    #19260942 - 12/11/13 03:44 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Drug use (including religious, recreational, and abuse) was also a theme in many of Dick's works, such as A Scanner Darkly and The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch. Dick was a drug user for much of his life. According to a 1975 interview in Rolling Stone, Dick wrote all of his books published before 1970 while on amphetamines. "A Scanner Darkly (1977) was the first complete novel I had written without speed", said Dick in the interview. He also experimented briefly with psychedelics, but wrote The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch, which Rolling Stone dubs "the classic LSD novel of all time", before he had ever tried them. Despite his heavy amphetamine use, however, Dick later said that doctors had told him that the amphetamines never actually affected him, that his liver had processed them before they reached his brain.







Dick absolutely did amphetamines. It's how he'd write entire novels in a day or two.

I still haven't heard anyone confirm that he ever did anything more psychedelic, though that sort of thing would be tough not to come across in Berkeley back when he was there. Just the same, I'm doubtful that it was as formative as people (such as the editors of Rolling Stone) would assume.


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Re: which filmmakers get high? [Re: Me_Roy]
    #19261110 - 12/11/13 04:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

tim burton likes to make his drug use known in his movies, but they all suck ass so he's setting a shitty example


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Re: which filmmakers get high? [Re: Me_Roy]
    #19263314 - 12/11/13 10:38 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Dick absolutely did amphetamines. It's how he'd write entire novels in a day or two.

I still haven't heard anyone confirm that he ever did anything more psychedelic, though that sort of thing would be tough not to come across in Berkeley back when he was there. Just the same, I'm doubtful that it was as formative as people (such as the editors of Rolling Stone) would assume.



Ah, I should have read what you said more closely. I really have no idea about the psychdelics; don't think I've seen or read any biographical stuff on PKD with it mentioned, although I'd be surprised if he didn't. The sections I've read of his 'visions' etc. did not have any mention of psychedelics. Perhaps they were 'spontaneous' or induced due to sleep deprivation (I presume he was a bit of an insomniac at times).


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Re: which filmmakers get high? [Re: KGB Is Go]
    #19318287 - 12/23/13 08:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I'm skeptical on David Lynch too. He always describes himself as being very conservative, despite the tripped out visions he films.

    I'm thinking Martin Scorcese is a yes. Particularly the crazy days when he shared a house with Robbie Robertson of The Band. Even other partiers talked about that place as being too wild. Got to think it went beyond booze. Also Scorcese always worked with De Niro, and De Niro was coke buddies with John Belushi.


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    #19326985 - 12/25/13 09:38 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Roger Corman tried LSD to make 1967's the trip per IMDB

"Roger Corman also took LSD before starting the film, figuring he couldn't make a film about LSD without trying it himself. He had a good experience, and had to ask others what a "bad trip" was like in order to incorporate it into the film."


Kubrick never tried LSD which shocked me, he made 2001 and clockwork orange and never tried LSD?? From playboy:

One of the things that's turned me against LSD is that all the people I know who use it have a peculiar inability to distinguish between things that are really interesting and stimulating and things that appear to be so in the state of universal bliss that the drug induces on a "good" trip. They seem to completely lose their critical faculties and disengage themselves from some of the most stimulating areas of life. Perhaps when everything is beautiful, nothing is beautiful.


Philip K Dick DID try LSD, though he didn't care for it and was a speed freak at heart. Of note he tried after writing 3 stigmata of Plamer Eldritch his most acid like book.
No one veer thanks Lucy at the Oscars, thats because they are scared of the drug war. Just like Steve Jobs said he tried it long after he was rich enough to not have to care. Carl Sagan we found out about after he died. Lots of people in hollywood dropped

Alejandro Jodorowsky of Holy Mountain and El Topo fame did alot of LSD. And during Holy Mountain:
Jodorowsky was also instructed by Ichazo to take LSD for the purpose of spiritual exploration. He also administered psilocybin mushrooms to his actors during the shooting of the death-rebirth scene.
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