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Differentiate cambodian - Golden Teacher
    #19255516 - 12/10/13 01:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Hey guys!

I just inoculated about 12 jars, half cambodian and half GT. The bag of each syringes were labeled but I mixed them up afterward into the glovebox. Will it be easy to differentiate both strains once fruited ? Not a big deal... Won't make that mistake again!! Will post pictures in the few weeks.

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Re: Differentiate cambodian - Golden Teacher [Re: bchighway]
    #19255520 - 12/10/13 01:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

What I've heard from the pro's around here are Cubes are Cubes. They are all pretty much the same.


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Re: Differentiate cambodian - Golden Teacher [Re: Camtaro420]
    #19255524 - 12/10/13 01:52 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You wont be able to tell the difference..


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Re: Differentiate cambodian - Golden Teacher [Re: bchighway]
    #19255527 - 12/10/13 01:53 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Strain discussion goes in the strain thread.

Strains are two hyphae mating and sharing genetic information. A inoculation with a spore syringe produces 1000s of strains.

Cubes are cubes and chances are you'll never be able to tell them apart, any variation you see is genetic because you had 1000's of spore not because of the variety name. The only time you'll have an easy time telling a variety apart is if it's an albino or mutant cultivar.


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Re: Differentiate cambodian - Golden Teacher [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19255544 - 12/10/13 01:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

They mean a cube is a cube by potency, except for penis envy. Each variety, strain, land race, what have you, can exhibit different genetic traits.


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Re: Differentiate cambodian - Golden Teacher [Re: happygolucky]
    #19255567 - 12/10/13 02:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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They mean a cube is a cube by potency, except for penis envy. Each variety, strain, land race, what have you, can exhibit different genetic traits.




a cube is a cube by cube. They're all the same species and any two different prints from any two different cube varieties can get together to make a single cube organism. The spore print of any cube has 10000s of spores. Mate the right two and you can have a potent, fast, big strain.

You'll start to notice small trends if you grow out one variety enough but those are trends, and could also be related to fluctuation in variables like lighting, substrate, time of year and temperature, etc... If you go to agar and do your selections and testing carefully and variety can be potent as all hell.


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Re: Differentiate cambodian - Golden Teacher [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19255604 - 12/10/13 02:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

look hard enough and you'll convince yourself you can tell the difference whether or not there actually is a difference :shrug:


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Re: Differentiate cambodian - Golden Teacher [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19255706 - 12/10/13 02:35 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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You'll start to notice small trends if you grow out one variety enough but those are trends, and could also be related to fluctuation in variables like lighting, substrate, time of year and temperature, etc...




^^^False

I have seen many people say a cube is a cube and they all look the same except for albino or PE( a mutant )

This is simply not true.

I have grown many different varieties of cube using the same environment and the same substrate and they all have their own characteristics. Now there are many cubes that are so similar they are hard to tell apart, but many have unique features that allow you to distinguish it from another variety.





Ok now here are some amazonians I grow




And here are some malabars from india



If you cannot tell the difference here than there is something wrong with you.

These are the characteristics that these fruits display 100% of the time, given the occasional mutant. And these were from MS, same exact substrate, lighting, temp, ect . . .

I do not ever have to label them because I can tell them apart, even when dry.

And I do not eat mushrooms very often, but it has been reported that the malabars are stronger than the amazonians and almost are on par with the penis envy.

Now if 2 different varieties of cubensis can look so different, why would they not be able to produce different levels of alkaloid. IT seems perfectly plausible. And IME it happens, but that is just my opinion.

Now to all you who say a cube is a cube, how about you back up your theory with a scientific study that could be duplicated to get the same results? Until then it is all just theory, but IME no, a cube is not cube


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Re: Differentiate cambodian - Golden Teacher [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #19255713 - 12/10/13 02:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I've grown GT and B+ that look like both of those pictures from different MS grows. :shrug: Sometimes smooth ass caps sometimes wavy.


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Re: Differentiate cambodian - Golden Teacher [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19255775 - 12/10/13 02:52 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I've grown GT and B+ that look like both of those pictures from different MS grows. :shrug: Sometimes smooth ass caps sometimes wavy.





Do you have pics to back it up? Of course there are variances and as I mentioned there are many cubes that are so similar it is hard to distinguish. However that was not just a one time occurrence. I have been growing these "strains" a long time and again, these are the characteristics 100% of the time, from MS no less. And there is a lot more difference than just smooth or wavy caps. The whole entire mushroom looks different, and from reports I get they perform different as well.


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Re: Differentiate cambodian - Golden Teacher [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #19255808 - 12/10/13 03:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Would it be true to say I've ordered five (5) different ms syringe ( alacabenzi - Z-Strain - GT - Creeper - Cambodian ) and they will end up looking all the same ?

A spore vendor could easily sell syringes with pretty much any kind in them ?


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Re: Differentiate cambodian - Golden Teacher [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #19255815 - 12/10/13 03:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

More examples




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Re: Differentiate cambodian - Golden Teacher [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #19255839 - 12/10/13 03:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

my cambos look like your Amazonian which also resembled my gt, my pb grown side by side with pesh looked identical my mazzies were the only ones that didn't look like the rest...


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Re: Differentiate cambodian - Golden Teacher [Re: blueconfusion]
    #19255866 - 12/10/13 03:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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my cambos look like your Amazonian which also resembled my gt, my pb grown side by side with pesh looked identical my mazzies were the only ones that didn't look like the rest...





Ok . . . Of course cubes are going to resemble each other. They are cubes. That does not change the fact that each "strain" has its own unique characteristics. And it does not take a specifically trained eye to see these differences.

Now I would never claim to be able to tell all "strains" apart. I cannot tell the difference between my amazonians and my equadorians because they have very similar characteristics. However when there are noticale differences in strains, they are always consistent and pretty easy to tell apart. Especially the malabars as the caps can fully open and the veil will often still be in tact.


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Re: Differentiate cambodian - Golden Teacher [Re: bchighway]
    #19256547 - 12/10/13 05:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Would it be true to say I've ordered five (5) different ms syringe ( alacabenzi - Z-Strain - GT - Creeper - Cambodian ) and they will end up looking all the same ?

A spore vendor could easily sell syringes with pretty much any kind in them ?





If they are indeed different varieties than they will have different characteristics although some may be so similar it could be hard to tell them apart. I have not grown any of those varieties so I could not say for sure.

I doubt the vendor is just putting random varieties into whatever syringe, but you never know


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Re: Differentiate cambodian - Golden Teacher [Re: bchighway]
    #19256554 - 12/10/13 05:35 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Would it be true to say I've ordered five (5) different ms syringe ( alacabenzi - Z-Strain - GT - Creeper - Cambodian ) and they will end up looking all the same ?

A spore vendor could easily sell syringes with pretty much any kind in them ?



avoid spores101:wink:


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Re: Differentiate cambodian - Golden Teacher [Re: cronicr]
    #19256596 - 12/10/13 05:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Would it be true to say I've ordered five (5) different ms syringe ( alacabenzi - Z-Strain - GT - Creeper - Cambodian ) and they will end up looking all the same ?

A spore vendor could easily sell syringes with pretty much any kind in them ?



avoid spores101;)




How did you know ? :0)
Should I avoid posting results /fruits from this vendor?


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Re: Differentiate cambodian - Golden Teacher [Re: bchighway]
    #19256607 - 12/10/13 05:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

alecabenzi, dead giveaway. type spores101 into the search bar:thumbdown:


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Re: Differentiate cambodian - Golden Teacher [Re: cronicr]
    #19256618 - 12/10/13 05:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I'm with liquidglass on this one. I can definitely tell the difference between my strains. Some of them colonize grain jars faster (Z-strain is the most aggressive that I grow) and they display different characteristics such as coloring, shape, pinning pattern, potency, 1st flush vs. second flush output, etc.


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Re: Differentiate cambodian - Golden Teacher [Re: deadjesusrodeo]
    #19256629 - 12/10/13 05:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

you wouldn't be able to tell from spores101, there was an owner or co-owner of that sight that posted here saying all they did was slap the name of wutever you ordered onto a b+ or alecabenzi print and shipped it out, that was awhile ago but they still screw people to this day for sure


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Re: Differentiate cambodian - Golden Teacher [Re: cronicr]
    #19256641 - 12/10/13 05:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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alecabenzi, dead giveaway. type spores101 into the search bar:thumbdown:




I got Brazilian giveaway....


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Re: Differentiate cambodian - Golden Teacher [Re: cronicr]
    #19256656 - 12/10/13 05:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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you wouldn't be able to tell from spores101, there was an owner or co-owner of that sight that posted here saying all they did was slap the name of wutever you ordered onto a b+ or alecabenzi print and shipped it out, that was awhile ago but they still screw people to this day for sure




Would you be able to find the link? Can't find it...


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Re: Differentiate cambodian - Golden Teacher [Re: bchighway]
    #19256661 - 12/10/13 05:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

yeah i got it in my inbox, brb


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Re: Differentiate cambodian - Golden Teacher [Re: cronicr]
    #19256673 - 12/10/13 05:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: Differentiate cambodian - Golden Teacher [Re: bchighway]
    #19256675 - 12/10/13 05:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Any chance they are trying to save their business and are now actually sending what we order ?


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Re: Differentiate cambodian - Golden Teacher [Re: bchighway]
    #19256700 - 12/10/13 06:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

probly not:shrug:
they have had all sorts of issues from bunk syringes to oystercube contams

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/16958159#16958159


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    #19256775 - 12/10/13 06:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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probly not:shrug:
they have had all sorts of issues from bunk syringes to oystercube contams

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/16958159#16958159





Little chance they have improved over time!?  Anyways, no big deal... It's a hobby not the end of the W.

Thanks for the info, will post results in a few weeks.


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Re: Differentiate cambodian - Golden Teacher [Re: bchighway]
    #19256788 - 12/10/13 06:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

you sure can have some success, every problem i've seen has been with the us site but if you do get fruits and take prints i'd opt to just label them as simply cubes


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    #19256796 - 12/10/13 06:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

if it doesn't work out for ya pm me, i'll send ya a print


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    #19256859 - 12/10/13 06:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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if it doesn't work out for ya pm me, i'll send ya a print




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Re: Differentiate cambodian - Golden Teacher [Re: cronicr]
    #19256864 - 12/10/13 06:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Differentiate cambodian - Golden Teacher [Re: cronicr]
    #19256903 - 12/10/13 06:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Good lord another thread that should be in the strain thread. But since were here this is my take.

Most classic cubes will exhibit mostly classic cube traits. There may be some slight tendency's that the different varieties will exhibit over time, even from ms, but these will for the most part be so slight that they are for the most part negligible. Also the phenotype is so large that with enough ms grows over time, there is no telling what you could end up with. I have had B+ that grew small, and some that grew huge. Nippled caps and classic ones with flecking. Some were potent, some were bunk. Take that variety of results and apply it to most classic cubes across the board.

That being said, my favorite varieties are all ones that are fairly unique in one way or another. KSSS, APE, CRS, PE are all pretty distinct and will consistently display those distinct attributes even with MS almost every time (though I have had ones from ms that defied even those mutant traits). No one is going to mistake a mushroom that looks like a dick with one that looks normal but drops brown spores.


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