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What's the point of Pride?
    #19254547 - 12/10/13 09:46 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

The other month some kids poured some water from the top floor as I was entering my dorm. I saw one of the fuckers peak his head out, so I went to the top floor and waited in the bathroom until they reappeared. I went into a room with 4 guys dumping water. I started yelling at them and none of them said a thing, so I started shouting about how pussy each of them were and left. Now, they won't even make eye contact with me lol.

There is some significance to this event because this is the first time I stood-up for myself against something that's "bigger than me", which has been a huge turning point in my life because I have spent my entire conscious life (no joke) trying to cultivate this skill. This event has brought an abundance of confidence. However, I notice some pride. The point of this article when I first wrote it was completely different, and I was going to use that story as a visual representation, but then I realized I was doing it to boast the strength I felt by doing what I did and feel by them not looking at me. I also like to show it off by talking to my friends about it. I do this is with a lot of things. Talking probably enhances the pride.

My question is, how do I rid this hubris? I'd define pride as excessive confidence (maybe even conceit) and I'm a believer that pride is destructive, but I'd like some intellectual responses.

Don't tell me I should have fought them. I'm 5'4" and 137 lbs. (pride again), so I wouldn't say I'm a guy you'd necessarily want to fuck with (unless your significantly taller, which is likely lol), and there were four of them. Furthermore, I don't agree with fighting, but the thought of kicking someone's ass is sometimes pleasant.


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Re: What's the point of Pride? [Re: LittleDaddy]
    #19254606 - 12/10/13 10:07 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

this is not pride, in truth it is nothing, because not objective only subjective sense and mean, what is not objective is nothing objectively and maybe free subjectively so not something to talk about

pride in truth, is when you are true and you are truly defending yourself, whether as being nothing right so free subject, or wether you are positive objective source being, so you cant be treated as shit, YOU CANT because it is true ... or whether you wont accept or CANT accept inferiors rights to be consciously over free.. here it is about infinite truth pride ...

like what infinite is the superior order always, and infinite is exclusively superiority fact .. what can invent how to be up would go infinitely up ... inferiority is impossible infinitely .. nor positive and negative concepts

what you are meaning is fake sense of objective superiority conscious ... so you don't mean yourself superiority but you are like a sense to get advantage from that possible way of being stronger, how others could fear you more so logically you could be positively more free living ...

it is all the speculations without thinking them really because you see it out of the end fact you've been .. that consciously you are like hesitating because you know that it is not true but you don't know how not being true is wrong while you have a sense of that choice ..

you know how those guys that you called pussy could react differently .. you know how what you did could not work out the same in all situations .. you know that if you want to be constantly strong you need something else more sure to rely on and threat with..

so it is not true

but any word is a concept of a true objective positive constant free  value fact

it is not pride thing

pride is like what is always out of generosity left .. in French it is called being digne or dignity, yea it is in English too

pride is the positive asset you have out of being nothing but you still present .. only generous people know that well


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Re: What's the point of Pride? [Re: absols]
    #19254644 - 12/10/13 10:20 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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this is not pride, in truth it is nothing, because not objective only subjective sense and mean, what is not objective is nothing objectively and maybe free subjectively so not something to talk about

pride in truth, is when you are true and you are truly defending yourself, whether as being nothing right so free subject, or wether you are positive objective source being, so you cant be treated as shit, YOU CANT because it is true ... or whether you wont accept or CANT accept inferiors rights to be consciously over free.. here it is about infinite truth pride ...

like what infinite is the superior order always, and infinite is exclusively superiority fact .. what can invent how to be up would go infinitely up ... inferiority is impossible infinitely .. nor positive and negative concepts

what you are meaning is fake sense of objective superiority conscious ... so you don't mean yourself superiority but you are like a sense to get advantage from that possible way of being stronger, how others could fear you more so logically you could be positively more free living ...

it is all the speculations without thinking them really because you see it out of the end fact you've been .. that consciously you are like hesitating because you know that it is not true but you don't know how not being true is wrong while you have a sense of that choice ..

you know how those guys that you called pussy could react differently .. you know how what you did could not work out the same in all situations .. you know that if you want to be constantly strong you need something else more sure to rely on and threat with..

so it is not true

but any word is a concept of a true objective positive constant free  value fact

it is not pride thing

pride is like what is always out of generosity left .. in French it is called being digne or dignity, yea it is in English too

pride is the positive asset you have out of being nothing but you still present .. only generous people know that well




haha. I've had somewhat of a difficult time interpreting what you've stated. But do you essentially mean that pride is defending oneself even through ignorance?

...wow, that is really enlightening. Pride is confidence in something even after it's been shown wrong. wow. even if that isn't what you were saying, thank you.


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Re: What's the point of Pride? [Re: LittleDaddy] * 1
    #19254665 - 12/10/13 10:26 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Okay, I actually read your post all the way through lol. I'm not looking for how this plays out in the big picture, I'm looking at how it is at its level. thanks again for the revelation, though. I guess I should be specific and say pride as a feeling is confidence through ignorance, but I still want to know why I feel the need to express this achievement or why we feel the need to express achievement at all..

It's not because I want to prove to my friends i'm better than them, but maybe to prove I"m confident? Maybe to prove I fit the criteria for a well-off individual? But by doing so I disprove it because why does one need to prove it? I don't want to shove my accomplishments in others' faces.


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Re: What's the point of Pride? [Re: LittleDaddy]
    #19254867 - 12/10/13 11:13 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Okay, I actually read your post all the way through lol. I'm not looking for how this plays out in the big picture, I'm looking at how it is at its level. thanks again for the revelation, though. I guess I should be specific and say pride as a feeling is confidence through ignorance, but I still want to know why I feel the need to express this achievement or why we feel the need to express achievement at all..

It's not because I want to prove to my friends i'm better than them, but maybe to prove I"m confident? Maybe to prove I fit the criteria for a well-off individual? But by doing so I disprove it because why does one need to prove it? I don't want to shove my accomplishments in others' faces.




on one hand you mean to enjoy being superior to others and on another you know that you cant be superior if you need others to recognize it

you are contradicting yourself because you are not true

that is how you deformed my post to serve your means while you have you

I clearly said that your means are not about pride truth

how your sense of being proud is wrong, and you are confirming it now

being happy about oneself achievement is not in acting above others at all

like I said only genereous people know what is of being positively free

how the value of it is infinite, it is never to bargain about

that is why I my ways of being right is clear to me and I give it in forums clearly, it is about leaving superiority to objective realms, which is the true superior value, objective superiority is to infinite truth, and not to freedom value .. freedom value is to positive constant being

which is a kind of proving objective superiority as a matter of fact

what matter is to do or to be source of what you care about really, because what matter is positive constancy ... it is the source or the reason of infinite superiority,..

the absence of negative is positive constant end reason which become the reason of free relative superior ways

only when everything is fine out, that positive value could give to else rights something constant

you mean to defend some lies and ways of justifying horrifying crimes forever

what makes things existing ?? the object what makes it being ?? the force I guess to you ... for how long ? is it forever that your god can make things still ?? is negative to god increasing or god is increasing ??

what makes things existing in terms of being constant, is not only freedom superior values but also the conscious responsibility to respect existing value rights, so to support it in terms of constancy

you will never do that, but a lot of people do, less consciously because evil is making everyone in needs of being first .. but a lot of people mean that even more then me

in existence realms, we have superiority and positive facts

superiority is to infinity freedom rights

positive is to individual freedom rights

rights are what exist truly, positive freedom superiority

at your level of means, you can understand what that picture guarantee existence truth and value out of it

when positive is individual freedom right, so what happen only subjectively as positive thing, making the subject be more present free ability, detaching the present with needs of anything .. so acting more in terms of objective value needs ..
then no other can see that positive to be jaleous about and willing for him as right too, when the positive right is the active alone freedom ..

then positive wont let others be fake, like now when positive is about things possessions, everyone will think his incomes and would stop being free, so true would be absent

also, when superiority is objective realms always reference

then infinite value will always be present objective source, so all would be always right existing then truth value will be a possible freedom out

but also when objective is superior reference, then anyone who claim being superior is inferior one, who wont be positively free through himself being out
then the order of superiority is saved right in existence realms, always up 

so individuals positive free values could become more in numbers of being true too

not like now, where it looks how right people are very rare and all abused

anyway, sorry for stepping in here.. :bye:


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Re: What's the point of Pride? [Re: absols]
    #19255016 - 12/10/13 11:51 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

thanks for the opinion.

Anyone else want to chime in?


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Re: What's the point of Pride? [Re: LittleDaddy]
    #19255282 - 12/10/13 12:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Pride and shame are two sides of the same coin. Pride prompts shame prompts pride, etc. If it's new ground you're on it can take some time to find your balance.

That's not to say pride doesn't have a positive connotation, just don't keep it all to yourself. That could also indicate a lack of balance.

How to rid yourself of excessive hubris? Once you see that it's a lack of balance you'll pull it in a bit. As long as it doesn't result in shame you've found the right spot.


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Re: What's the point of Pride? [Re: Rahz]
    #19255316 - 12/10/13 12:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Very well said. Thank you for the contribution


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Re: What's the point of Pride? [Re: LittleDaddy]
    #19255992 - 12/10/13 03:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I think it's just an ego-defense.
No point.


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Re: What's the point of Pride? [Re: cez]
    #19256183 - 12/10/13 04:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

"I feel good. This good feeling I will label pride. Pride is bad therefore this good feeling is bad. Therefore I should not feel good but bad. How do I stop feeling bad?" That's what I see it boil down to.


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Re: What's the point of Pride? [Re: Deckard_Cain]
    #19256476 - 12/10/13 05:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I talked with my psychiatrist and she liked the way Rahz put it.

Western culture seems to polarize things. Deckard_Cain, well put as well.


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Re: What's the point of Pride? [Re: LittleDaddy]
    #19264310 - 12/12/13 04:59 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I think that pride is a confusion:
all the little personas within colluding to protect the "self" -
a defensive military coup!

It is symbolic for safety but can be distorted into hubris


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Re: What's the point of Pride? [Re: LittleDaddy]
    #19264447 - 12/12/13 06:11 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I talked with my psychiatrist and she liked the way Rahz put it.

Western culture seems to polarize things. Deckard_Cain, well put as well.




Shame on her. 

Really though OP, pride goeth before a fall.  Had you come storming in some dudes room shouting, you might have taken a fall.  Be glad you were smaller than any of them and just made a fool of yourself that they really couldn't take as a serious threat.


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Re: What's the point of Pride? [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #19264594 - 12/12/13 07:36 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I talked with my psychiatrist and she liked the way Rahz put it.

Western culture seems to polarize things. Deckard_Cain, well put as well.




Shame on her. 

Really though OP, pride goeth before a fall.  Had you come storming in some dudes room shouting, you might have taken a fall.  Be glad you were smaller than any of them and just made a fool of yourself that they really couldn't take as a serious threat.




I think I agree with her. Pride is separate from hubris.

lol. I don't think I made a fool of myself, especially if they won't even look at me anymore and it got them to stop doing what they were doing.


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Re: What's the point of Pride? [Re: LittleDaddy]
    #19264636 - 12/12/13 07:50 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You are a persona non grata with them now. 

We used to do things far worse than a little water.  Nobody cried except one guy had to move back home.


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Re: What's the point of Pride? [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #19264642 - 12/12/13 07:52 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Lol, I don't need to be welcome with them. Fucking with random people is what I did in middle and high school, not college - I chose to grow-up instead.

What'd you do besides the water? lol


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Re: What's the point of Pride? [Re: LittleDaddy]
    #19264690 - 12/12/13 08:07 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

In any case, you should rally behind your champion - even if it is yourself.
but it gets boring - especially if there is no threat.

in the boring time it is like egotism, pride, hubris, there are so many flavors of decadent personality


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Re: What's the point of Pride? [Re: LittleDaddy]
    #19264709 - 12/12/13 08:11 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Lol, I don't need to be welcome with them. Fucking with random people is what I did in middle and high school, not college - I chose to grow-up instead.

What'd you do besides the water? lol




Bag of shaving cream under a door jumped on.  Years worth of Washington Post crumpled into balls and fill up a room.  Pennying someone into their room.  Fun stuff.


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Re: What's the point of Pride? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #19264995 - 12/12/13 09:37 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Lol, I don't need to be welcome with them. Fucking with random people is what I did in middle and high school, not college - I chose to grow-up instead.

What'd you do besides the water? lol




Bag of shaving cream under a door jumped on.  Years worth of Washington Post crumpled into balls and fill up a room.  Pennying someone into their room.  Fun stuff.




Pretty clever lol :crazy2:

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In any case, you should rally behind your champion - even if it is yourself.
but it gets boring - especially if there is no threat.

in the boring time it is like egotism, pride, hubris, there are so many flavors of decadent personality




Could you expand on the last part?


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Re: What's the point of Pride? [Re: LittleDaddy]
    #19265703 - 12/12/13 12:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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In any case, you should rally behind your champion - even if it is yourself.
but it gets boring - especially if there is no threat.

in the boring time it is like egotism, pride, hubris, there are so many flavors of decadent personality




Could you expand on the last part?




what looks like pride can be just sticking up for yourself, natural territorial defense.

but when you are not being challenged, well you can practice a bit, and that make sense, but beyond a bit of practice - strutting your perimeter (boundaries) is just foolish and boring.

the practice can be valuable, how else to get good at something, but don't over do it.

(I hope that is clearer)


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Re: What's the point of Pride? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #19266055 - 12/12/13 02:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It makes more sense. I'm thinking that you're saying that we use pride to describe two things - sticking up for yourself with confidence and sticking up for yourself with conceit?

I don't even know if I said that right, but I get the gist of what you are saying.


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Re: What's the point of Pride? [Re: LittleDaddy]
    #19266398 - 12/12/13 03:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

like staging or even grandstanding


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Re: What's the point of Pride? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #19266954 - 12/12/13 05:44 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Perfect, thank you.


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Re: What's the point of Pride? [Re: LittleDaddy]
    #19266986 - 12/12/13 05:52 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

There's nothing wrong with pride unless its in excess, its a natural emotion, a social mechanism which keeps us competitive within the herd.


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Re: What's the point of Pride? [Re: LittleDaddy]
    #19267175 - 12/12/13 06:35 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

there is nothing wrong with pride and hubris well done good sir  :hatsoff::thumbup:


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    #19267723 - 12/12/13 08:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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there is nothing wrong with pride and hubris well done good sir  :hatsoff::thumbup:




Your post is empty, no contents. Come back when you can formulate an argument son.


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    #19267995 - 12/12/13 08:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

i'll come where i like... r u my internet daddy?? :inlove:


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    #19270716 - 12/13/13 01:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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