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What did Nelson Mandela do for the United States?
#19253946 - 12/10/13 05:06 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I understand that he played a significant role in helping the people of Africa, and ending soe of the obscene colonial policies that discriminated against blacks. Of course it wasn't really cool if you were one of the innocents--white or black--on the violent end of the ANC's terrorist acts. But I digress....
What did he do to improve and move forward the cause of the US....I list those things below:
Now, with them listed (cough) the US media is going nuts over him, Obama is down for the ceremony, blah blah blah.
The US had a much more significant person that was much more influential in US policy and foreign affairs for many years--Margaret Thatcher. sure, she was right and she was white, but why does it appear that to get any respect from the US media and president you have to be a communist, terrorist, or have a different color skin?
Obama dissed MT but he's on his knees for NM?
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Re: What did Nelson Mandela do for the United States? [Re: starfire_xes] 4
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yeah? so?
what did YOU do for the United States? Who gives a fuck about the USA--- in the context of Nelson Mandela? He was an incredible human being who left a wonderful legacy... a strong voice for equality, so strong he could spend half a lifetime in prison convicted for his beliefs and then emerge and still have the motivation and the piece of mind to lead the people of his country. He was an incredible man on Earth... so who gives a flying fuck what he gives to the US??
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Re: What did Nelson Mandela do for the United States? [Re: travelleler] 2
#19253986 - 12/10/13 05:32 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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It's a shame you missed his point.
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Re: What did Nelson Mandela do for the United States? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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His death has shown us how many racist pricks we still have here and how ignorant our population continues to be.
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Re: What did Nelson Mandela do for the United States? [Re: rougescientist]
#19254384 - 12/10/13 08:49 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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So don't be one. OP said nothing racist.
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Re: What did Nelson Mandela do for the United States? [Re: luvdemshrooms] 2
#19254409 - 12/10/13 08:57 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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What Mandela did for the US?
He said: "If there is a country that has committed unspeakable atrocities in the world, it is the United States of America. They don't care"
He simply put the US on top of the biggest tyrants of the world list
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Re: What did Nelson Mandela do for the United States? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#19254734 - 12/10/13 10:43 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said: So don't be one. OP said nothing racist.
Never said he was, but the backlash among some groups for the death of Mandela has shed light on how people really feel about race. Some celebrate him because he was a uniter and champion of rights, others hate him simply because of their prejudices against blacks, and still harbor the belief that they are inferior. This event just shed light on the state of racism in the USA. Just like when M. Thatcher died people revealed how they felt about different economic theories.
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Re: What did Nelson Mandela do for the United States? [Re: rougescientist]
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You forgot a category:
Some dislike him for his politics.
How telling you would leave that out. I think an event like this sheds light on shallow thinkers who just can't grasp that you can be opposed to what a person does/believes for reasons other than race.
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Re: What did Nelson Mandela do for the United States? [Re: rougescientist]
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He spent 27 years in prison because he would not renounce terrorism. Necklacing was invented by his group. His wife, Winnie, was a fucking monster. Pardon me if I don't join the deification of a flawed man
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Re: What did Nelson Mandela do for the United States? [Re: zappaisgod]
#19255631 - 12/10/13 02:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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hmm didn't know all that....
Margie Thatcher derserves some respect for sure.
Obama was inspired by the man--- how does it matter?
you know they say Abraham Lincoln raped black women... and Nixon was a Heroin addict. People say a ton of shit.
I think for the current president I can see how nelson mandela might be a source of inspiration.
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Re: What did Nelson Mandela do for the United States? [Re: travelleler]
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Why? The current President was born into privilege and never suffered a day in his bratty life
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Re: What did Nelson Mandela do for the United States? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#19256952 - 12/10/13 06:47 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said: It's a shame you missed his point.
It's a shame there was no point made.
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Re: What did Nelson Mandela do for the United States? [Re: zappaisgod]
#19256972 - 12/10/13 06:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Why? The current President was born into privilege and never suffered a day in his bratty life
Just like your children!
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Re: What did Nelson Mandela do for the United States? [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19257132 - 12/10/13 07:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Just like your children!
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Re: What did Nelson Mandela do for the United States? [Re: zappaisgod] 1
#19257369 - 12/10/13 07:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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So you will criticize someone for it, but you won't apologize for the same actions. That's your stereotypical hypocritical GOPer for you.
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Re: What did Nelson Mandela do for the United States? [Re: zappaisgod]
#19258724 - 12/11/13 04:35 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Why? The current President was born into privilege and never suffered a day in his bratty life
just like EVERY president I can think of since after Lincoln (who raped black people and smoked opium)... i mean... shit man...
i mean-- if you look at the problems that still exist in S.A. then yeah it's a really fucked up place
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Nelson Mandela is still officially venerated as a saint, his smiling face appearing on countless posters, while the man himself, having solved all the problems of his native country, tours the world with a group of elders, including Kofi Annan and Jimmy Carter, to solve the problems of other countries; but while Mandela tours, his own country has descended into its own kind of hell.
and this is no different than the US president sending money to aid other countries or create industry in war torn middle east while people here are losing their homes and and their asses because the economy is bankrupt.
if OP asked the question in the first place because the OP noticed flags flying at half-mast the day after Mandela's death--- well, it so happened to fucking be Pearl Harbor day and flags are always flown at half on Pearl Harbor day in honor of those in service to the country who gave their lives that day in 1941. Which has nothing to do with Mr. Mandela.
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Re: What did Nelson Mandela do for the United States? [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19258757 - 12/11/13 04:59 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said: It's a shame you missed his point.
It's a shame there was no point made.
Right.
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Re: What did Nelson Mandela do for the United States? [Re: starfire_xes]
#19259474 - 12/11/13 10:28 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't really get your point. Are you saying that the U.S. media should only focus on things that are important domestically?
Americans, by and large, are doing just fine. Sure, we piss and moan about more taxation here, and excessive spending there, but those are first world problems that we have the luxury of worrying about while much of the world lives in squalor. America didn't need Mandela to do anything for us.
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Re: What did Nelson Mandela do for the United States? [Re: EddYerb]
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First, I wasn't talking to you. You'd have known that if you knew how the reply function works.
Second, why do you care who attends the dude's funeral?
Finally, why would Obama care about his treatment in the media anymore? I don't see any indication that he gives a dead rat's ass at this point.
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Re: What did Nelson Mandela do for the United States? [Re: Mush4Brains]
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Mush4Brains said: So you will criticize someone for it, but you won't apologize for the same actions. That's your stereotypical hypocritical GOPer for you.
My children have not had the unmitigated gall to pretend that they came from hardship and try to equate themselves with somebody who spent 20+ year in prison. I'm not criticizing him for being a rich kid. I criticize him for being a phony cunt and trying to glom on to other people's suffering as if it were his own.
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Re: What did Nelson Mandela do for the United States? [Re: Enlil]
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If mandela was white and had done all of the exact same things, the media would have ignored him. The media is the racist one, not mandela's detractors. Mandela was a terrorist and his anc party committed acts as bad as the nazis did. Don't even get me started on winnie. NM was just a politician, thats all. As big a phony as obama who the media loves as well.
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Re: What did Nelson Mandela do for the United States? [Re: starfire_xes]
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Margaret Thatcher sided with some pretty sinister folk in retrospect. She supported Augusto Pinochet, Saddam Hussein, the Khmer Rouge, Muammar Qaddafi, the Shah of Iran Mohammed Reza Pahlavi, Hasni Mubarak and Indonesia's Suharto. Suharto was responsible for the deaths of millions. She also referred to Mandela as a terrorist and supported Apartheid.
Other than crushing the British unions, most of what she did was pretty terrible.
Mandela on the other hand was a pretty great guy.
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Re: What did Nelson Mandela do for the United States? [Re: travelleler]
#19262079 - 12/11/13 07:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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if OP asked the question in the first place because the OP noticed flags flying at half-mast the day after Mandela's death--- well, it so happened to fucking be Pearl Harbor day and flags are always flown at half on Pearl Harbor day in honor of those in service to the country who gave their lives that day in 1941. Which has nothing to do with Mr. Mandela.

If...if....if....well, if a bullfrog had wings its ass wouldn't drag on the ground when it walked. But your nonsense statement about Pearl harbor is so far off the mark its ridiculous. my statement had nothing to do with pearl harbor.
my statement was an observation that the president of the US can go kiss the ass of a black socialist leader who I did give credit too for his war on apartheid, but, a leader who nonetheless who was part of, and condoned the actions of a wretched, violent movement--the ANC, who committed any number of heinous crimes against humanity. But I guess that is alright since he is black and a socialist.
yet when margaret thatcher died--who was a staunch supporter of US policy, and a key ally of the uS for many years, Obama didn't even send the whitehouse shoe shine boy as a token gesture of respect. That's disgusting, vile behavior for a president of the US against an ally.
Why? because someday the US might need a strong ally and they won't find one because they remember the asshole who flipped them the bird because he was an arrogant, anti-colonial socialist who hates western powers.
Tact and diplomacy require the president to maintain a perception of strong support for allies that helped us in the past. It is also very classy for a president to show GRATITUDE for things other countries have done, whether he agrees with them or not.
Oh, but rememer what Stalin said: "gratitude is for dogs"
Progressives haven't an inkling of the shittiness of president Obama--a classless, tacky shit ass sociailist bum.
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Re: What did Nelson Mandela do for the United States? [Re: travelleler]
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zappaisgod said: Why? The current President was born into privilege and never suffered a day in his bratty life
just like EVERY president I can think of since after Lincoln (who raped black people and smoked opium)... i mean... shit man...
i mean-- if you look at the problems that still exist in S.A. then yeah it's a really fucked up place
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and this is no different than the US president sending money to aid other countries or create industry in war torn middle east while people here are losing their homes and and their asses because the economy is bankrupt.
if OP asked the question in the first place because the OP noticed flags flying at half-mast the day after Mandela's death--- well, it so happened to fucking be Pearl Harbor day and flags are always flown at half on Pearl Harbor day in honor of those in service to the country who gave their lives that day in 1941. Which has nothing to do with Mr. Mandela.

Actually the flags were half-staff from sunrise on the 6th to sunset on the 9th for Mandela. Pearl Harbor half-staff is only on the 7th, as far as I know.
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Re: What did Nelson Mandela do for the United States? [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: He spent 27 years in prison because he would not renounce terrorism. Necklacing was invented by his group. His wife, Winnie, was a fucking monster. Pardon me if I don't join the deification of a flawed man
What punishment would you suggest for those who enforce apartheid besides necklacing? Proportional to to a death sentence carried out as 27 year imprisonment (which largely involved slave labor and abuse) for conspiracy and sabotage that is.
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Re: What did Nelson Mandela do for the United States? [Re: HalfLight]
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zappaisgod said: He spent 27 years in prison because he would not renounce terrorism. Necklacing was invented by his group. His wife, Winnie, was a fucking monster. Pardon me if I don't join the deification of a flawed man
What punishment would you suggest for those who enforce apartheid besides necklacing? Proportional to to a death sentence carried out as 27 year imprisonment (which largely involved slave labor and abuse) for conspiracy and sabotage that is.
Zappa supports apartheid. He would sentance people with his same views to the queen of England. He hates blacks, gays, muslims, and any sort of minorities that exist. He hates Obama because he was born by a poor woman who left her parents to care for him, yet loves his own children to be born to a multimillionaire who pays for every expense they have ever had.
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Re: What did Nelson Mandela do for the United States? [Re: EddYerb]
#19264266 - 12/12/13 04:28 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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EddYerb said: Not at all, I'm saying that attending poster events like the funeral of an idolised leader shouldn't be an obligation of world leaders.
And also that the reason he went is probably because if he didn't the media would rip him to bits.
agree with the first reason, and not so much with the second... but then I do live under a rock
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Re: What did Nelson Mandela do for the United States? [Re: TheOtherAdamSmith]
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TheOtherAdamSmith said: Margaret Thatcher sided with some pretty sinister folk in retrospect. She supported Augusto Pinochet, Saddam Hussein, the Khmer Rouge, Muammar Qaddafi, the Shah of Iran Mohammed Reza Pahlavi, Hasni Mubarak and Indonesia's Suharto. Suharto was responsible for the deaths of millions. She also referred to Mandela as a terrorist and supported Apartheid.
Other than crushing the British unions, most of what she did was pretty terrible.
Mandela on the other hand was a pretty great guy.
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Re: What did Nelson Mandela do for the United States? [Re: Ran-D]
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I'm really trying my best to find a reason why OP would like a woman as evil as Thatcher...
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Re: What did Nelson Mandela do for the United States? [Re: starfire_xes]
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starfire_xes said: yet when margaret thatcher died--who was a staunch supporter of US policy, and a key ally of the uS for many years, Obama didn't even send the whitehouse shoe shine boy as a token gesture of respect. That's disgusting, vile behavior for a president of the US against an ally.
They burned down the White House, dude...I see no reason to condone that kind of behavior.
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Re: What did Nelson Mandela do for the United States? [Re: TheOtherAdamSmith]
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Most leaders do side with unscrupulous characters, then again how easy is a choice between two evils? For every puppet backed there's a nastier bastard kept in line by proxy. Usually. Sometimes there's just bad calls
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Most leaders do side with unscrupulous characters, then again how easy is a choice between two evils? For every puppet backed there's a nastier bastard kept in line by proxy. Usually. Sometimes there's just bad calls
Exactly.
It is astonishing to me how many posters don't yet grasp this obvious fact of existence - often in life humans must decide between two (or more) bad alternatives. There will be countless times in anyone's lifetime when the choice is not between "good" and "bad" but between "bad" and "really bad".
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>Progressives haven't an inkling of the shittiness of president Obama--a classless, tacky shit ass sociailist bum.
Amen
>What punishment would you suggest for those who enforce apartheid besides necklacing?
This is the kind of idiocy we get from liberals. There were some excesses under apartheid just as there are excesses today in usa under our moronic policies. To say murder and torture is just for those who supported the system which had been in place for many years is throwing stones while living in glass houses. Perhaps if someone disagrees with your support of some policy you will gladly take a necklace?
Mandela was a terrorist thug and it was the worst kind of sniveling for obuma to run over there and pay tribute to the thug. As has been pointed out, he snubbed thatcher's funeral because she was white. I would shit on mandela's grave but that would make him a better person to absorb some honest shit.
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Re: What did Nelson Mandela do for the United States? [Re: Stonehenge]
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What in the hell makes you guys think anybody should pay respects to Margaret Thatcher? Seriously, do you even know who she was?
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Re: What did Nelson Mandela do for the United States? [Re: HalfLight]
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zappaisgod said: He spent 27 years in prison because he would not renounce terrorism. Necklacing was invented by his group. His wife, Winnie, was a fucking monster. Pardon me if I don't join the deification of a flawed man
What punishment would you suggest for those who enforce apartheid besides necklacing? Proportional to to a death sentence carried out as 27 year imprisonment (which largely involved slave labor and abuse) for conspiracy and sabotage that is.
Apartheid supporters were generally not the ones necklaced. If you want to have a trial and give somebody the death sentence, I'm down with it. I don't think it is de facto either cruel or unusual to execute criminals. Necklacing seems to be cruel a bit. Mobs seem to be an inappropriate judiciary. Process is important.
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What punishment would you suggest for those who enforce apartheid besides necklacing? Proportional to to a death sentence carried out as 27 year imprisonment (which largely involved slave labor and abuse) for conspiracy and sabotage that is.
Zappa supports apartheid. He would sentance people with his same views to the queen of England. He hates blacks, gays, muslims, and any sort of minorities that exist. He hates Obama because he was born by a poor woman who left her parents to care for him, yet loves his own children to be born to a multimillionaire who pays for every expense they have ever had.
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No one could talk about Thatcher without calling her a bitch. She wasn't well liked by anyone except people in the US who worship Ronnie Raygun. She just wasn't that well liked in her home country or abroad. The things she stood for are contoversial and she wasn't anyone's hero. Its ridiculous to compare her to Mandala. Only Rushbo ditto dorks believe she was a hero. No one in the rest of the world give two shits about her.
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>Its ridiculous to compare her to Mandala
Agreed. She was a leader, he was a terrorist.
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Re: What did Nelson Mandela do for the United States? [Re: Stonehenge]
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Yet still nobody can provide one reason why they think she was a "leader".
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Because she reversed - at least for a time - Britain's downward spiral into financial ruin. She managed to halt the Tommy Commies - at least for a time - and gave Britain some breathing room.
Too bad her successors pissed all her gains away but hey… waddaya gonna do?
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Re: What did Nelson Mandela do for the United States? [Re: Stonehenge]
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O yea, Mandela took up arms to fight for Freedom for all races!
Such a terrorist, its like the same thing here in USA now all the white people are soooo... like apartheid now with Obama and his socialism taking away all of the good White peoples rights. They are taking our rights away to be un-insured and go to the ER and not pay our medical bills. Then everybody else's rates go up because of our rights...
So similar... Mandela was such a terrorist. Like totally fighting for equal rights is bullshit, he is just like that other terrorist marxist what was his name... O yea MLK what a terrorist socialist.
See its easy to be a GOP racist. The only problem is that your arguments don't make sense. Mandela was not perfect, but he did end apartheid. He united a country. He was the MLK and Washington of South Africa. We are not asking that you worship him like Reagan. Just pay some respect and don't act like the tool bags that you are for one day.
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Re: What did Nelson Mandela do for the United States? [Re: rougescientist]
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It seems we have mush's replacement while he is banned. Only he would think obama isn't liberal enough or that mandela fought for "equal" rights.
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Re: What did Nelson Mandela do for the United States? [Re: Stonehenge]
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Why wouldn't a president praise Nelson Mandela? He was a amazing person who went through way more than you can even wrap your head around. Dude don't disrespect people because they are recognizing a social and cultural icon.
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Re: What did Nelson Mandela do for the United States? [Re: mindgnome]
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you might want to do some actual research on your hero before you just believe what MSNBC has told you http://americanfreepress.net/?p=11873
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Re: What did Nelson Mandela do for the United States? [Re: psyconaught]
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"A communist terrorist murderer-bomber"
Oh man that's fucking great.
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Re: What did Nelson Mandela do for the United States? [Re: psyconaught]
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I read your link, but there was a whole lot about what other people did...not so much about what Mandela himself did.
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Re: What did Nelson Mandela do for the United States? [Re: Enlil]
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Take a look at some of the other headlines on that site
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And American presidents are any better? It is okay when white people are bombing innocent people because they are less than us? You probably support the military you hypocrite.
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Re: What did Nelson Mandela do for the United States? [Re: Ran-D]
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Yeah, they are considered a hate group by the SPLC, and it appears that some of the writers have ties to neo-Nazi organizations.
I'm not convinced.
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Re: What did Nelson Mandela do for the United States? [Re: Ran-D]
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Oh man that's fucking great.
he was admittedly all of those things
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And American presidents are any better? It is okay when white people are bombing innocent people because they are less than us? Go fuck yourself.
i never said that. The fuck in the white house is even worse, as was Bush.
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Re: What did Nelson Mandela do for the United States? [Re: psyconaught]
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Yeah well if you support the military you support terrorism and imperialism. This shit pisses me off because 90 percent of Americans thinks that everything that military does is just cause. It is fucking insane. Noam Chomsky is right, America terrorizes the world. I wish I didn't have to be associated with such a violent nation.
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Re: What did Nelson Mandela do for the United States? [Re: psyconaught]
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Do you have a source that supports your claim that he admitted committing murder?
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Re: What did Nelson Mandela do for the United States? [Re: mindgnome]
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mindgnome said: Yeah well if you support the military you support terrorism and imperialism. This shit pisses me off because 90 percent of Americans thinks that everything that military does is just cause. It is fucking insane. Noam Chomsky is right, America terrorizes the world. I wish I didn't have to be associated with such a violent nation.
good thing i agree with you here and don't support the military.
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Re: What did Nelson Mandela do for the United States? [Re: psyconaught]
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All of you should have to live without it just so I can laugh when you get your shit fucked up to the max.
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Re: What did Nelson Mandela do for the United States? [Re: zappaisgod]
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The fact that you support imperialism is what worries me. You are a reflection of a group of people who blindly support exactly what keeps us from growing and evolving as human beings. What is the difference between a suicide bomber and a United States jet pilot bombing a children's hospital? Nothing.
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What imperialism?
If you don't want a children's hospital bombed in a war don't put any weapons there. The cowards hide behind this shit HOPING we will attack them. Filthy scum hiding behind women and children.
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Re: What did Nelson Mandela do for the United States? [Re: zappaisgod]
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Or we could just not bomb anyone....
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Re: What did Nelson Mandela do for the United States? [Re: Enlil]
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Re: What did Nelson Mandela do for the United States? [Re: zappaisgod]
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Do drone and cruise missiles count as bombs? we could use those instead
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Re: What did Nelson Mandela do for the United States? [Re: zappaisgod]
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Also, South Africa is full of violent crime. It was recently the rape capital of the world. I know this sounds really bad and i'm no white supremisist/racist supporter of the Dutch control and African oppression, but was South Africa safer under Apartheid?
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Re: What did Nelson Mandela do for the United States? [Re: ChinChiller]
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statistically blacks were better off under Apartheid. Thats not an endorsement of Apartheid as that was one of the worst systems in existence. But i think that speaks volumes about the current government.
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Re: What did Nelson Mandela do for the United States? [Re: psyconaught]
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Power vacuums pick up all manner of dirtbags, "safer" is relative.
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Re: What did Nelson Mandela do for the United States? [Re: myc_check1212]
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i'd say by any metric that being the rape and murder capital of the world is unsafe.
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statistically blacks were better off under Apartheid. Thats not an endorsement of Apartheid as that was one of the worst systems in existence. But i think that speaks volumes about the current government.
See Rhodesia/Zimbabwe
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Re: What did Nelson Mandela do for the United States? [Re: zappaisgod]
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It is liberals dirty little secret that under whites, africa did much better but under black rule they have gone into the shitter. The zimbabwe dollar suffered so much inflation it became officially worthless. Unemployment and crime are so high that black people are moving to europe or anyplace to get away from conditions there. They went from warring tribes before europeans came over, now its warring thugs on the street. People have to live in compounds with barbed wire because of the crime.
If mandela had been white he would never have gotten the idolation he received in the media. He would have gotten well deserved criticism and been mostly forgotten.
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You think the people of Zimbabwe are free?
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The ones I've bought have been very cheap, but not free.
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Re: What did Nelson Mandela do for the United States? [Re: zappaisgod]
#19290020 - 12/17/13 06:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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No source discussions, bro
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zappaisgod
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Re: What did Nelson Mandela do for the United States? [Re: Enlil]
#19290048 - 12/17/13 06:44 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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That's just for drugs. You can certainly tell me where you get your drapes from
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WhoManBeing
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Re: What did Nelson Mandela do for the United States? [Re: zappaisgod]
#19290968 - 12/17/13 10:47 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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not too sure.
the night before his death, went to friends house for quick visit. while there, couple kids playing music in next room drew attention. a poster on kids walls of Mendela got me questioning 'who's he?' a briefing was shared. the next morning, he was on the news having died. well...
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Re: What did Nelson Mandela do for the United States? [Re: zappaisgod]
#19290990 - 12/17/13 10:53 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
zappaisgod said: You think the people of Zimbabwe are free?
Who the fuck knows if anyone is truly free.
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