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Offlineoxana
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spawn jar buster aka "seat belt convincer"
    #19076718 - 11/02/13 07:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

hey

so my wrists are killing me. i bashed 300 quart jars against a tire yesterday. now today i feel like i have arthritis. im only 25 and i dont want to actually get arthritis :confused:

as not growing mushrooms is not an option, i have to set out to find a solution.
i thought about spawn bags, but i dont think that would work for me, at least not at this time.


im thinking this will be something i will have to build. this morning an idea struck me. a long time ago i rode on something called the seat belt convincer, heres a picture.




basically its a "car" that you sit in, thats located on a rail. and when they release a lever you go down the ramp. and at the bottom you come to a very fast and complete stop. it simulates a car crash at 3mph or something.

so what im thinking is, i could build on this very concept. i would build a "car" that i could strap a bunch of jars into. they would travel down the ramp at a fairily quick speed (as fast as i could push them down the ramp), i feel i would have to do this several times to bust them up completely. to reduce casualties they would all be in direct contact with rubber.

so what do yall think. is this a sound idea or is their alreally a comerciall soulution to this problem. i need to do something about this before im 30 years old walking around like a 70 year old grandma:crazy:


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Re: spawn jar buster aka "seat belt convincer" [Re: oxana]
    #19076797 - 11/02/13 07:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I think it would be easier to just man up and break them up yourself.


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Re: spawn jar buster aka "seat belt convincer" [Re: Smokey-hitz]
    #19077402 - 11/02/13 10:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: spawn jar buster aka "seat belt convincer" [Re: cubenpete]
    #19077532 - 11/02/13 10:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

wide mouth pint jars.


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Re: spawn jar buster aka "seat belt convincer" [Re: drake89]
    #19078685 - 11/03/13 02:26 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Since I don't use Rye grain and almost always let my jars go for too long. I use a sterilized stainless steel butter knife and an autoclavable PP measuring flask. It's a potential vector for contamination but so far so good. Break it up with the knife and pour it in the measuring flask for the right amount and voila. Wipe the knife with alcohol every now and again. I know it's not the right way to do it but so far it has worked for me. Follow my advice at your own risk.

Also you should know I grow shiitake without any other supplements in the substrate.


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Re: spawn jar buster aka "seat belt convincer" [Re: GourmetShiitake]
    #19078850 - 11/03/13 05:21 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

than look fun, the seatbelt convincer ^_^

but i think it will be quite difficult to make it well, something to shake the grain loose. or do you have a technical education?


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Re: spawn jar buster aka "seat belt convincer" [Re: forrest]
    #19079075 - 11/03/13 07:18 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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forrest said:
than look fun, the seatbelt convincer ^_^

but i think it will be quite difficult to make it well, something to shake the grain loose. or do you have a technical education?




i build things well. i calculate that im smacking the jar against the tire at around 7 miles per hour.

when i wind up to make the impact, the jar is around 1 foot from the tire. and if im completing the action in 1/10th (doubtful) of a second thats 10feet per second. so

https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&q=ten+feet+per+second+to+mph&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&channel=suggest


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Re: spawn jar buster aka "seat belt convincer" [Re: oxana]
    #19079190 - 11/03/13 07:58 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Why don't you just pick up some spawn bags? I use jars for master grain spawn, but use spawn bags for bulk. Not only are the easy to break up, but can easily hold 5 time the amount of grain as a quart jar. Not having to clean around 100 jars weekly is well worth the small cost of filter patch bag.


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Re: spawn jar buster aka "seat belt convincer" [Re: pseudotsuga]
    #19079370 - 11/03/13 09:00 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

:facepalm3:  just use 4T spawn bags or the small mycosac bags from aloha; they are small enough to be easy to do agar->grain with.  Your idea is way over kill.  If you must have 50 jars, which is unbeleiavble excessive, use a cleaned tire to bang them agaisnt. And only fill them half way.  I use 1 quart jar to produce 75lbs of mushrooms using 1 g2g transfer.  Using your 50 jars with 1 g2g transfer and you could have almost 2 tons of mushrooms?  Even without a g2g transfer 50 jars will produce at least 200lbs of mushrooms once inocluated into the bulk substrate. How much are to trying to produce?


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Re: spawn jar buster aka "seat belt convincer" [Re: Aleon]
    #19079402 - 11/03/13 09:12 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I agree, use jars as masters and filter patch bags for g2g.
I like the paint shaker idea though, even using a tire I get nervous.
After 14 years in the restaurant business I try my best to avoid gaping bloody wounds,
unless they belong to a cute server.
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Re: spawn jar buster aka "seat belt convincer" [Re: FoxFire]
    #19079612 - 11/03/13 10:18 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I hit them against the arm of my couch. Doesn't create the same sharp wrist impact as hitting it against a bike tire.


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Re: spawn jar buster aka "seat belt convincer" [Re: drake89]
    #19080525 - 11/03/13 02:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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drake89 said:
wide mouth pint jars.




i should have clarified that when you use a wide mouth pint jar, don't fill it all the way.  maybe 2/3 to 3/4 full.  Then when it's ready, bang it, top down on the table.  It should just fall out and save your wrist.  That's if you must use jars.  Near half of mine I tried recently contaminated.  I much prefer bags except for slow growing species.


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Re: spawn jar buster aka "seat belt convincer" [Re: liamtheloser]
    #19080676 - 11/03/13 02:46 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

alright you guys are slowly beginning to drive some sense into me. i just hope im able to properly teach my friend and spawn cook, how to pack these into the cooker.

i did some reading and it seems i will be able to fit (4) 5 quart spawn bags into my 23qt presto pressure cookers. thats quite a bit more, than the  6.9 quarts im fitting in there in ten quart jars.

question though. at 15psi how long of a sterillization run will i need to properly decontaminate 20qts worth of rye grain. am i looking at 4 hours?

also my friends oven is a gas range, will it be hard to keep the bags from melting?


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Re: spawn jar buster aka "seat belt convincer" [Re: oxana]
    #19081259 - 11/03/13 04:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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oxana said:
also my friends oven is a gas range, will it be hard to keep the bags from melting?




As long as you have the trivet in the bottom and don't pack them tight against the wall you should be good. I've been making spawn in bags weekly for a year now and never have had bag melt.


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question though. at 15psi how long of a sterillization run will i need to properly decontaminate 20qts worth of rye grain. am i looking at 4 hours?





Grain prep time depends on the type of grain. I just rinse my milo first til the water is clear then simmer for 30 minutes or so.


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Re: spawn jar buster aka "seat belt convincer" [Re: oxana]
    #19252252 - 12/09/13 08:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

hey thanks for bearing with me with my crazy idea, i come up with a lot of them. i ended up buying some spawn bags and now i have one final question.

i plan to load (4) five quart spawn bags into my 23 quart prestos. i see a lot of conflicting info on how long to sterilize my spawn. i think in the mushroom cultivator i read that i should sterilize for 4.5 hours. RogerRabbit says
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I do four large spawn bags with six pounds of rye berries in each bag, and PC for 90 minutes at 20 psi.  If you're using 15 psi, better go with two hours.  Be sure there's space between each bag and the rest of the bags, and also that there's spacers between the bags and the walls of the PC.  I use jar lid rings.
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do you think 2 hrs is enough, if thats so then that awesome thats 3 times the amount of spawn in the same amount of time.


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Re: spawn jar buster aka "seat belt convincer" [Re: oxana]
    #19252540 - 12/09/13 08:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

It could just be a liability thing but my 23qt came with specific instructions not to use on a gas burner. It even had a yellow piece of paper in the unit with this message on it accompanied by a picture of a pc on a gas burner with a circle and a line through it.

Just letting you know. safety first.

It may be due to warping as well, I'm not sure.


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Re: spawn jar buster aka "seat belt convincer" [Re: Neller]
    #19252576 - 12/09/13 09:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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oxana said:
do you think 2 hrs is enough, if thats so then that awesome thats 3 times the amount of spawn in the same amount of time.




Yes that is the same amount of time I PC for when I am sterilizing large grain bags.

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It could just be a liability thing but my 23qt came with specific instructions not to use on a gas burner.




That may have been referring to outdoor gas burners or a gas burner of 12,000 btu. This is not a worry for those using it on their regular stove top burner. I've used mine safely 3-4 times a week for the past two years without a warping or a problem.


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Re: spawn jar buster aka "seat belt convincer" [Re: pseudotsuga]
    #19253043 - 12/09/13 10:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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pseudotsuga said:

Quote:

Neller said:
It could just be a liability thing but my 23qt came with specific instructions not to use on a gas burner.




That may have been referring to outdoor gas burners or a gas burner of 12,000 btu. This is not a worry for those using it on their regular stove top burner. I've used mine safely 3-4 times a week for the past two years without a warping or a problem.




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Re: spawn jar buster aka "seat belt convincer" [Re: Neller]
    #19253178 - 12/09/13 11:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Neller said:
It could just be a liability thing but my 23qt came with specific instructions not to use on a gas burner. It even had a yellow piece of paper in the unit with this message on it accompanied by a picture of a pc on a gas burner with a circle and a line through it.

Just letting you know. safety first.

It may be due to warping as well, I'm not sure.




heres what it said

NOTE: Do not use this pressure canner on any outdoor heat source such as a gas burner for a turkey fryer.

these cookers arent the best quality, but theyll have to due until i can find an autoclave that will suit my needs and budget


Edited by oxana (12/09/13 11:13 PM)


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Re: spawn jar buster aka "seat belt convincer" [Re: oxana]
    #19253553 - 12/10/13 01:05 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

wow ive been wasting a lot of time with jars over the years, these bags are so much better.

do any of you guys run your prestos at 20psi? on the gauge of my pc it doesnt say caution until after 20 psi? i could just use the rocker assembly from my old 16qt pcs and add another washer or so. then according to Roger i would only need to do 90min cycles


Edited by oxana (12/10/13 01:06 AM)


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