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Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college
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So confused what i want to do as im a freshman in college majoring in engineering science. im really considering switching to a trade thoug like an electritian, mechanic maybe, welder or plumber...fuck it whatever. I just want a job thatll be friendly when im 50 years old and will still be pretty interested in...do i wanna be under a sink or wtf. I get interested in a lot easy, i worked tobacco for 5 years and loved it so im a more hands on worker for sure i think.
Welding sounds badass but im reading its always bad conditions. I just wanna guarantee i get a job thatll pay off when i graduate and kinda dont wanna all the debt from college. I NEED OPINIONS, fuckin badd...this shits annoying the hell outta me. At the moment im the most interested in becoming an electritian...can anyone fuckin help my ass...
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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: Jvells]
#19252821 - 12/09/13 09:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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What are you in school for now and what is your GPA?
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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: ModestMouse]
#19252835 - 12/09/13 09:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Engineering science. Im taking my freshman basic classes and i honestly fuckin hate it but thats probably just life. I probably have like a 2.5-3.0
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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: Jvells]
#19252843 - 12/09/13 09:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Go into the military and be a nuclear engineer.
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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: Jvells]
#19252846 - 12/09/13 09:52 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Go to ITT tech and get a headstart on your career.
Naw but for real there are no guarenteed good jobs. You can probably become an electrician if you commit yourself, or whatever you want to do, but its not like its gonna be easier than going to college. That shit is hard work if you want to be a success, or even be able to make a decent living.
I'd say you'd be better off with an engineering degree than some electrician certificate, unless you have someone lined up who is gonna help you on the employer end.
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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: Jvells]
#19252848 - 12/09/13 09:52 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Try harder in your studies. You can thank me later when you land your first management job.
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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: ModestMouse]
#19252857 - 12/09/13 09:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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i love welding :thumb up: become a unionized pipe welder. You can make around 150,000 a year working 8 out of 12 months. Though you'll have to travel and weld in unfavorable conditions, but thats why you make a killing!
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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: mpd]
#19252911 - 12/09/13 10:05 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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How do you figure? By the time you land a management position nobody is going to give a shit about your university grades. Even your first job very likely won't care at all.
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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: ModestMouse]
#19252916 - 12/09/13 10:05 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Just know that there is no easy way, you pretty much get what you work for. There are some things that you are better suited for, which will make working seem easier. Try to do those things...
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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: ModestMouse]
#19252926 - 12/09/13 10:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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hey man you can make some killer fucking money welding on the pipelines up in alaska. 70+ dollars an hour
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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: Jvells]
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Jvells said: Engineering science. Im taking my freshman basic classes and i honestly fuckin hate it but thats probably just life. I probably have like a 2.5-3.0
You're still just doing basics man, I'd say stick with it until you get into the core classes and then see how you feel about it. An engineering degree has the potential to do a world of good for you. Just bust your ass now so you can live it up later
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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: psyconaught]
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hey man you can make some killer fucking money welding on the pipelines up in alaska. 70+ dollars an hour
You also have to live in Alaska. You can make $70/hour with an engineering degree too and live in a major metropolitan area.
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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: dontknow]
#19252941 - 12/09/13 10:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Stay in school seriously. I have been in your situation. Maybe transfer to a community college that's what I think I'm going to do. I've worked construction still am. Not a good long term plan. Good luck man with whatever you decide.
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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: pwnasaurus]
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hey man you can make some killer fucking money welding on the pipelines up in alaska. 70+ dollars an hour
You also have to live in Alaska.
Alaska is awesome I'd love to live there.
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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: d0urd3n]
#19252952 - 12/09/13 10:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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That makes you the odd one out. Most people don't want to live in a freezing barren wasteland.
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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: pwnasaurus]
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pwnasaurus said: That makes you the odd one out. Most people don't want to live in a freezing barren wasteland.
Its nice in the summer if you enjoy the outdoors. Amazing fishing and hunting. Depends where in Alaska of course. Winters aren't fun though.
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#19253049 - 12/09/13 10:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Drug and other non-caribou commodity prices in AK sound ridiculous. Also mosquitoes and flies are bad in summer I hear.
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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: moonrockmushy]
#19253058 - 12/09/13 10:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: the mad machinest]
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Don't expect to go to community college get your certifications and be making more than a few dollars above min wage per hour starting out. There is good money in a lot of trades though and it only takes a few years to get enough experience to be making good money. Mechanics can make 100k a year.
If you are going to do a 4 year and think you have what it takes do engineering. There's a huge job demand and you can walk into a 55k/year job out of school. You're gonna most likely have to take calculus and physics 1,2, and 3 so you better be good at math.
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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: Jvells]
#19253265 - 12/09/13 11:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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why not? follow your gut. do what you want to do. personally I'm just about to start industrial electricity courses. I've been informed the union apprenticeship program is a better if longer way to earn a journeyman's license because of the practical experience. I will determine that for myself and possible do both simultaneously but I know that if I understand electricity and how humans interact with it to the best of my high ability then I will always have a high paying job regardless of my coordinates. not everyone with a Masters can feel so confident. college is supposed to be the spark of the ignition of learning and self improvement, not a mandatory path to a paycheck.
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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: luvdemboomers]
#19253279 - 12/09/13 11:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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mechanics making a 100k a year in most parts of the country is not the way things are going specially at dealerships.
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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: unam sanctum]
#19253341 - 12/09/13 11:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Not someone with any Master's can, but someone with a Master's in any engineering discipline can.
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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: pwnasaurus]
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Not someone with any Master's can, but someone with a Master's in any engineering discipline can.
probably accurate.
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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: Jvells]
#19253393 - 12/10/13 12:13 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: Jvells]
#19253457 - 12/10/13 12:38 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Engineering is extremely tough, especially if your chemical, electric, or mechanical, I've considered dropping/switching multiple times. I think in the end though I'm gonna stick with it. Jobs will always be available, an engineering degree is also super flexible, lets ya do quite a bit. I'm thinking about working at a winery in Cali
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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: pwnasaurus]
#19253590 - 12/10/13 01:16 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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maybe if you get way up north towards the arctic circle. But most of Alaska is like this



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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: the mad machinest]
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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: Jvells]
#19253885 - 12/10/13 04:24 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think a trade is a fine way to go. I'm always pretty impressed by what the tradesmen in my area make. You can definitely make a good living. You can pick up some extra cash simply by working more and vice versa. Not a bad gig.
Like you said, you DO have to think about what you'll be doing when your 50 though. Do you want to be the guy crawling up in my attic installing recessed lighting? You probably don't even want to be doing that in your 40s. You may also not have some of the perks afforded white collar positions such as pensions, health care, and 401k programs (this obviously varies by job).
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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: badchad]
#19254040 - 12/10/13 06:05 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Just finish school. Then you'll have a degree. You've already started and even if it doesn't seem like it now, you're probably going to be happy you've got a degree down the road whether or not you use it. If you still want to pursue welding or whatever afterward, then do that. Paying off school won't be that big a deal once you're making that salary. You don't want to deal with "what if" territory. I'm not saying that if you don't finish that you'll definitely regret it, or that everyone who quits college regrets it, but really, is that a risk you want to take?
College is way more interesting once you get the general ed classes out of the way too. You owe it to yourself to at least go that far. Plus, once you're at that point you'll probably at least be able to pick up an associate's in arts. Which is better than nothing. Just keep chugging away at it and you'll be done before you know it.
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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: OnePerEyeM8]
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Great responses but i need some ideas for how to make money while i keep going to college. Im currently employed at a supermarket in the meat department but im curious of other places. Ideas? They dont give raises unless you're in management and i dont see anyway to one there really
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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: rulesq]
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but electrician is a good choice though. Tons of trades subcontract electricians. My friend does very well and the company he worked for paid for his school. Now he is with a diamond mine working 2 weeks on 2 weeks off.
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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: Jvells]
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Jvells said: Great responses but i need some ideas for how to make money while i keep going to college. Im currently employed at a supermarket in the meat department but im curious of other places. Ideas? They dont give raises unless you're in management and i dont see anyway to one there really
call electricians, plumbers, whoever and see if they need a good helper.
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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: pwnasaurus]
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hey man you can make some killer fucking money welding on the pipelines up in alaska. 70+ dollars an hour
You also have to live in Alaska. You can make $70/hour with an engineering degree too and live in a major metropolitan area.
Not true at all. I'm from Alaska and most of the people work for 2 weeks then go home for 2 weeks.
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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: Enjoywho]
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So you have to half live in Alaska. Working those types of schedules makes it really difficult to maintain relationships back home. Not something I would want to do at all.
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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: Jvells]
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I have a job for you. You must tell you brother to join us in the hall. We have him a job in official customs. He may wish to see my friend. Do you think of how he will be after? I know someone in my class that discussed his new plans to become a flight attendant. I use to be one but quit & became a horseback rider. I rode a horse 300 miles far & went to a farm where I lived for two years with my friendsin the room next to me. We lived in separate rooms & kept to ourselves, but once in a while he would come out & say something to me. I think you should pursue whatever career works best for you. If you choose to go into carnival or if you become a diver or electrician, whatever works bet foryou. I want to see you get this job, I think I can already see it in my mind. You come to my house & fix my electric. You wouldn't have happened to have visited my houes recently did you? For some reason I thought you slept over a night & I didn't see you slip out, I must have missed you on my way back in. For I saw your brother when I was entering inside my room but you seemed to be missing. Where were you? I usually see you leaving with a friend of yours but this time I didn't even see you leave the room../
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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: pwnasaurus]
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it isn't for everybody but there is insanely good money in it.
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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: Enjoywho]
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if i dont wanna have to learn a lot of math a trade school is probably my best bet right? thats partly why im really not feeling this engineering science major. I think math is damn cool but im not up to learning it right now ahaha
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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: Jvells]
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Im in HVAC ndmake a pretty decent living but wish i would a went to college sometimes
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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: Jvells]
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Jvells said: if i dont wanna have to learn a lot of math a trade school is probably my best bet right? thats partly why im really not feeling this engineering science major. I think math is damn cool but im not up to learning it right now ahaha
Any university degree worth a damn will involve a lot of math. Giving up because you don't feel like learning math is pretty sad though IMO.
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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: pwnasaurus]
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Any university degree worth a damn will involve a lot of math. Giving up because you don't feel like learning math is pretty sad though IMO.
Just talking to my wife who works in wholesale parts for electricians, math is where its at. Other wise the best you can get is a supervisor. An electrical engineer, someone with a lot of math skills, You could be the GM of an electrician company and make the big bucks.
Being a mechanic... fuck that, your body will hate you at 50.
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Jvells said: if i dont wanna have to learn a lot of math a trade school is probably my best bet right? thats partly why im really not feeling this engineering science major. I think math is damn cool but im not up to learning it right now ahaha
Any university degree worth a damn will involve a lot of math. Giving up because you don't feel like learning math is pretty sad though IMO.
I believe my current motivation issues are the result of taking dabs and suboxone everyday. I stopped yesterday and hit the gym and I'm feelin better. One day at a time with this shit, I miss my old goals and how smart I used to be
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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: Jvells]
#19257371 - 12/10/13 07:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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If you're just going to waste your days as a poly-drug abuser you should quit and save the money until you grow up a bit.
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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: pwnasaurus]
#19257422 - 12/10/13 08:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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well im passing because im motivated when i take them lol...so i typically take my sub and do the homework. but i can feel it everyday sapping my motivation and its been becoming most apparent the past few weeks because i suddenly dont want to do what ive been dreaming of since i was a sophmore in highschool and fell in love with math and chem. not i hate it...it feels tedious. fuckin suboxone and laziness . its only gonna get worse unless i really stop using
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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: Jvells]
#19258277 - 12/10/13 11:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Do it man Im taking an electrician trades course right now and so far I love it, running wires ridiculously easy, so is the class itself. Pays decent enough to and dat job security son. Electricians are expected to continue to become more and more in demand for the next 8 years.
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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#19258387 - 12/11/13 12:37 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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another field i don't think has been mentioned yet is programming. Computer coders make crazy fucking money if you learn the right language and can get to where the tech jobs are. Also job security is almost guaranteed.
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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: psyconaught]
#20061193 - 05/30/14 01:58 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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Alright so within the next week or two I was planning to go sign up for a couple summer classes at my community college really close to where I live but I'm also still on edge because I'm not sure if I want to go into a trade or not. Welding or being electrician seem like good ideas and interesting jobs but I kinda want a job that isn't too serious and requires insane focus. Like being a machinist I hear there's no way in hell you can get drunk or trip the night before and come in and do an exceptional job...as you can tell I would LIKE to have a job like that but I have some more growing up to do still so I might grow out of this phase I've been in.
Basically, I'm fucking confused and needa decide what the fuck I want before I drop more money on it. I think all of these jobs sound interesting but like I said I kinda need keep in the back of my mind how compulsive my behavior is with drugs. I smoke mj everyday and trip on mushrooms or L almost every/every other weekend with some mxe mixed in here and there. I do this as a way to relax and enjoy my life 
what does everyone think? also will i ever grow out of this? I've been obsessed with tripping and bud for like 5 years now. I'm 19 now and currently my major is in engineering science because its been my dream for quite some time but I'm hearing from my friends in a good college majoring in engineering (one that I would be transferring to most likely after two years) that its no fucking cake walk. I know I have the brains but it's more like can i stay clean...i think a trade would be best for me now huh? Get my shit together then go back to college later? idfk..
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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: Jvells]
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Go to school and be an electrician. You don't need to make a choice. I'm a full-time electrician and going to school full-time for electronics engineering.
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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: Lophosaurus]
#20061240 - 05/30/14 02:10 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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I took the welding trade and it has always kept me out of the bread line no matter what the Econ is doing how old are you OP ?
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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: solomilitia]
#20061414 - 05/30/14 03:01 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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How long does it take to learn welding in a welding program? I have an arc welder but I think I need some instruction because my welds never look good, or even safe.
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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: Lophosaurus]
#20061435 - 05/30/14 03:06 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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I took welding hear http://www.jobcorps.gov/home.aspx The program was 15 months long I finished in 10 your personal apptatude for welding will deturmen how long it takes I had the option to attend 2 more years iñ collage for welding after that but I elected for OJT insted it was a great choice for and it could be good for you
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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: Jvells]
#20061625 - 05/30/14 03:42 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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Do it OP. I work at an electrical supply company and talk with contractors all the time. They get paid great , benefits ,401k etc . Have the job security and freedom cause they can go anywhere with their trade. Also most can still smoke weed. If I wasn't afraid of being electrocuted I would go work in the field as well but I Im just sticking with the sales side at the moment.
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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: laruta_21]
#20061711 - 05/30/14 03:59 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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Wow this really helped especially the guy who said hes going to college while being an electritian. I figured it was possible but never thought too much of it, im definitaly going to do it sounds interesting too..thanks dudes. And im 19 to the guy who asked
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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: Jvells]
#20061717 - 05/30/14 04:01 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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Then you are young enough for the job corp trade school witch is free of charge to you by the way
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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: Jvells]
#20062250 - 05/30/14 06:38 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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Jvells said: what does everyone think? also will i ever grow out of this? I've been obsessed with tripping and bud for like 5 years now. I'm 19 now and currently my major is in engineering science because its been my dream for quite some time but I'm hearing from my friends in a good college majoring in engineering (one that I would be transferring to most likely after two years) that its no fucking cake walk. I know I have the brains but it's more like can i stay clean...i think a trade would be best for me now huh? Get my shit together then go back to college later? idfk..
I think you should take a year off and get your head straight. You can't keep tripping and smoking weed constantly and expect to make it very far in life.
Of course engineering isn't a cake walk. It's one of the hardest degrees you can take but there's a reason for that - there's TONS of job opportunities and you will never have trouble finding work.
Doing a trade for 20-30 years is going to ruin your body. By the time you're 40 you're body is going to be broken.
Engineering grads start at around $60k and the sky's the limit. I'm a couple years out of school making a lot more than that.
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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: pwnasaurus]
#20062263 - 05/30/14 06:43 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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wake up call that was
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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: Jvells]
#20062306 - 05/30/14 06:58 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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Like being a machinist I hear there's no way in hell you can get drunk or trip the night before and come in and do an exceptional job
i drank quite often during my 5 years as a machinist, tripped feom time to time as well, would leave on lunch and fire one up
made all kinds of shit for Raytheon and other military companies. i was one of their best up an coming machinists. didnt ever have any issues with my outside work habits getting in the way of my performance
would still be working there had they not been shut down due to the owners spending habits i chose not to get back in to the industry because i learned that the life span of a machinist is much shorter than that of many other trades due to the atomizing of the coolant when it hits the high speed tools and you breathe all that shit in all day for years on end and handling lots of odd materials that are hazardous to my health. i already drink and smoke enough , why add that many more factors to my health
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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: the mad machinest]
#20109153 - 06/10/14 09:38 AM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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so i have a meeting tommoro and I'm interested in the CAD program...yr class and theyre in high demand...anyone have experience with or know anyone in this
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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: Jvells]
#20109288 - 06/10/14 10:24 AM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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I use solidworks for design for injection molding and part design. Self taught though. 6 yrs experience.
you need to be able to visualize and problem solve. A good understanding of geometry and good old hands on experience.
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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: pwnasaurus]
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Jvells said: what does everyone think? also will i ever grow out of this? I've been obsessed with tripping and bud for like 5 years now. I'm 19 now and currently my major is in engineering science because its been my dream for quite some time but I'm hearing from my friends in a good college majoring in engineering (one that I would be transferring to most likely after two years) that its no fucking cake walk. I know I have the brains but it's more like can i stay clean...i think a trade would be best for me now huh? Get my shit together then go back to college later? idfk..
I think you should take a year off and get your head straight. You can't keep tripping and smoking weed constantly and expect to make it very far in life.
Of course engineering isn't a cake walk. It's one of the hardest degrees you can take but there's a reason for that - there's TONS of job opportunities and you will never have trouble finding work.
Doing a trade for 20-30 years is going to ruin your body. By the time you're 40 you're body is going to be broken.
This is not true. I'm 57 and still doing whatever carpentry is necessary including framing. It has also kept me in decent shape without ever having to deal with gym douches. I admit I do not tote lumber all day like I used to but with my skill set I would be stupid to waste my time that way. On top of that, electrician is pretty light work for construction. Roofing will definitely fuck you up, though, as will hardwood flooring.
The trades offer the best opportunity to have your own company. That was important to me. Engineers are pretty much always going to be employees. Don't forget that engineering is a difficult course of study. Not many people can complete it.
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Jvells said: Engineering science. Im taking my freshman basic classes and i honestly fuckin hate it but thats probably just life. I probably have like a 2.5-3.0
Wait until you get your get your basics out of the way, then decide.
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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: Legend]
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This is not true. I'm 57 and still doing whatever carpentry is necessary including framing. It has also kept me in decent shape without ever having to deal with gym douches. I admit I do not tote lumber all day like I used to but with my skill set I would be stupid to waste my time that way. On top of that, electrician is pretty light work for construction. Roofing will definitely fuck you up, though, as will hardwood flooring.
I'd also like to add welders and mechanics to the list of relatively easy on the body trades. They are dirty however, but if you get a decent setup theres really no damage to the body involved.
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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: psyconaught]
#20110631 - 06/10/14 04:45 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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Looking at what my friends make, do a trade, do overhours, so much money under the table and you learn a lot of stuff that is actually useful... Construction, welding, wood, electricians, plumbers you name it.
I think it's far more useful if you can DIY in life, building a home from scratch or knowing what to do when repairs need to be done, then overpay the people (us) that do all of this 
Wouldn't go for welding unless you love it, it's great cash but it's really not good for your wrists, back and the heat can be overwhelming on hot days (or a reason to tell your boss to fuck off : ). Idk man, TIG-welding or having to do gates all day long, following plans. It can be a strain on both mind and body... Depends heavily on company and what they do.
Best part I think is if you learn all there is to learn, working a few years in a large company and/or someones private business and then just starting for your own.
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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: psyconaught]
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Wait let me get this straight.... you want to go from being an engineer.... to being an electrical technician?
I mean there's nothing wrong with that if that's what you prefer to do, but 1 clearly pays more than the other. I believe the work hours are somewhere around the same, perhaps engineers slightly more (which could be a factor, I personally wouldn't want to be an engineer because the ones that I know literally have ZERO lives outside of work, some that I know that work for Parker or Northrop Grumman are even required to work Saturdays too from 8am until 10pm.)
Engineering very difficult to pass, so if you find yourself continuously flunking or having to repeat classes, you might want to reconsider and become a technician.
What makes you think being an engineer isn't a hands-on job? Hell you could be the guy who builds the Mars Rover, just saying.
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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: Crystal G]
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Crystal G said: I believe the work hours are somewhere around the same, perhaps engineers slightly more (which could be a factor, I personally wouldn't want to be an engineer because the ones that I know literally have ZERO lives outside of work, some that I know that work for Parker or Northrop Grumman are even required to work Saturdays too from 8am until 10pm.)
You have a very skewed view of how many hours engineers work. You have posted this before and it is simply not true. I'm a software engineer for a Fortune 50 company and I work 9am-6pm most days. I occasionally have to work later or get called in for something on the weekend but that's the exception not the rule.
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Crystal G said: Wait let me get this straight.... you want to go from being an engineer.... to being an electrical technician?
I mean there's nothing wrong with that if that's what you prefer to do, but 1 clearly pays more than the other. I believe the work hours are somewhere around the same, perhaps engineers slightly more (which could be a factor, I personally wouldn't want to be an engineer because the ones that I know literally have ZERO lives outside of work, some that I know that work for Parker or Northrop Grumman are even required to work Saturdays too from 8am until 10pm.)
Engineering very difficult to pass, so if you find yourself continuously flunking or having to repeat classes, you might want to reconsider and become a technician.
What makes you think being an engineer isn't a hands-on job? Hell you could be the guy who builds the Mars Rover, just saying.
You are totally ignoring the self employment potential of a trade. As an engineer it is almost impossible. You will always be an employee. You will never be a businessman. The autonomy there is, to me, priceless.
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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: You are totally ignoring the self employment potential of a trade. As an engineer it is almost impossible. You will always be an employee. You will never be a businessman. The autonomy there is, to me, priceless.
Hmm, that is also true. I've met quite a bit of handymen who started their own business after only a few years.
On the other hand, while you are an employee in a trade, it can really suck and you can be exploited BAD. And sometimes you might have to accept that pay because there are no other opportunities at the time out there.
I had a friend who was working in construction and bragged about making only $100 a day. I thought he was being exploited, but I didn't have the heart to tell him, because to him, he thought making $100 for 10-12 hours of hard manual labor was a lot of money.
I don't know how much upward mobility there is for engineers, but I can imagine it's only reserved for people with PhD's. The only engineer I know who has a management position has his PhD from MIT.
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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: Crystal G]
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I'm actually thinking about going into an entirely different field myself. I'm thinking about going into the pharmaceutical sales industry.
Apparently since I already have a bachelor's degree all I have to do is take an exam and get certified. It'll be just like getting my financial license, I basically studied for 2 weeks and passed (what a joke!).
I am beginning to HATE the financial industry. The pay I care less about, I just have literally no fucking passion for it.
Pharmaceuticals on the other hand, I have a TRUE PASSION FOR!!!
If I were to pass my pharmaceutical accreditation test and get hired as a sales rep (which I'm sure I would since I was given numerous awards for outperforming my sales quota's in my field, I was even given a "Best in the West" award for serving more financial clients than everybody in the entire Western region). I also have over 5 years of experience in sales and marketing.
Plus the benefits are good. No more only-commission pay (it's like that everywhere you go in every single financial firm, unless you work at a bank like BofA or Chase, then you get a fixed $50K annual income and nothing more no matter how much you sell).
Pharmaceutical reps on the other hand make like $60-$80K base pay, and then commission on top of that. So best-performing sales reps make like $120K to $150K a year.
I think that's way more my personality, I've already studied a ton how drugs work thanks to sites like Bluelight and Shroomery, so this test should be easy as shit for me to pass.
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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: Crystal G]
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zappaisgod said: You are totally ignoring the self employment potential of a trade. As an engineer it is almost impossible. You will always be an employee. You will never be a businessman. The autonomy there is, to me, priceless.
Hmm, that is also true. I've met quite a bit of handymen who started their own business after only a few years.
On the other hand, while you are an employee in a trade, it can really suck and you can be exploited BAD. And sometimes you might have to accept that pay because there are no other opportunities at the time out there.
I had a friend who was working in construction and bragged about making only $100 a day. I thought he was being exploited, but I didn't have the heart to tell him, because to him, he thought making $100 for 10-12 hours of hard manual labor was a lot of money.
I don't know how much upward mobility there is for engineers, but I can imagine it's only reserved for people with PhD's. The only engineer I know who has a management position has his PhD from MIT.
Illegal alien laborers around here get $100 cash a day (8 hours) plus lunch plus transportation. Exploited? Fuck that, you get what you can get and don't bring me no whine.
Handymen? I'm a fucking expert. So are most tradespeople who own their companies.
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Illegal alien laborers around here get $100 cash a day (8 hours) plus lunch plus transportation. Exploited? Fuck that, you get what you can get and don't bring me no whine.
He wasn't an illegal alien. It probably had something to do with the fact that he wasn't licensed yet at the time though.
I remember he didn't get transportation though, he was expected to drive his truck and use his own gas and milage to go to jobs. Which REALLY sucked when he had construction jobs 3 hours away like in Palm Springs. That meant he was basically only making $40-50 a day!!!!!
His boss treated him like shit too, would scream at him constantly for being late only a few minutes. I overheard his phone call one time when his boss was screaming INSANELY at him and threatening to kill him because he thought my friend had stolen his tools. I told him, "I would switch jobs if I were you, you would get paid way more and treated better at other places," but he refused, he thought he was making lots of money.
I don't know if that kind of behavior is normal in construction or not. Is it?
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Handymen? I'm a fucking expert. So are most tradespeople who own their companies.
Sorry if you got offended, that's what I hear people around here call anybody with a trade so I just adopted this name from them. I didn't realize it was was an offensive term. I just use it as a blanket statement for anybody who works in a trade, since usually I don't know what their experience is when I meet them.
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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: Crystal G]
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Crystal G said: I don't know how much upward mobility there is for engineers, but I can imagine it's only reserved for people with PhD's. The only engineer I know who has a management position has his PhD from MIT.
You seriously have NO IDEA what you're talking about. For a regular management position any engineering degree is fine. Hell, many business degrees are fine as well. If you want to move up to the director level or above you will probably want an MBA, but even that is not strictly necessary. A PhD? Give me a break
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Crystal G said: I don't know how much upward mobility there is for engineers, but I can imagine it's only reserved for people with PhD's. The only engineer I know who has a management position has his PhD from MIT.
You seriously have NO IDEA what you're talking about. For a regular management position any engineering degree is fine. Hell, many business degrees are fine as well. If you want to move up to the director level or above you will probably want an MBA, but even that is not strictly necessary. A PhD? Give me a break 
Okay, granted, I don't know nearly as much as you. I guess I have tons of questions then.
So, why would anybody get a PhD in engineering then? What benefits does having a PhD give you if it doesn't give you a job advancement advantage over others?
An MBA, that is pretty interesting, but also that makes sense. Most corporations desire an MBA especially anything to do with management in sales and marketing.
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You seriously have NO IDEA what you're talking about. For a regular management position any engineering degree is fine. Hell, many business degrees are fine as well. If you want to move up to the director level or above you will probably want an MBA, but even that is not strictly necessary. A PhD? Give me a break 
Okay, granted, I don't know nearly as much as you. I guess I have tons of questions then.
So, why would anybody get a PhD in engineering then? What benefits does having a PhD give you if it doesn't give you a job advancement advantage over others?
An MBA, that is pretty interesting, but also that makes sense. Most corporations desire an MBA especially anything to do with management in sales and marketing.
To teach. A PhD in almost any field gives no advantage over your peers unless you want to teach at a university level. Pursuing a PhD in most fields is pretty useless if you want to work in industry. The years of work experience a Master's would have over a PhD in most cases would far outweigh any advantage of having a PhD.
If you are a pursuing a PhD it is usually because you are extremely passionate about learning and pioneering that subject not for any conceivable advantage in the job market.
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You have a very skewed view of how many hours engineers work. You have posted this before and it is simply not true. I'm a software engineer for a Fortune 50 company and I work 9am-6pm most days. I occasionally have to work later or get called in for something on the weekend but that's the exception not the rule.
Lol but computer programmers aren't really real engineers though are they?
I mean, to me it sounds lije you're comparing appkes and oranges.... kind of like saying "I work at subway as a sandwich engineer! I'm an engineer! "
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Illegal alien laborers around here get $100 cash a day (8 hours) plus lunch plus transportation. Exploited? Fuck that, you get what you can get and don't bring me no whine.
He wasn't an illegal alien. It probably had something to do with the fact that he wasn't licensed yet at the time though.
I remember he didn't get transportation though, he was expected to drive his truck and use his own gas and milage to go to jobs. Which REALLY sucked when he had construction jobs 3 hours away like in Palm Springs. That meant he was basically only making $40-50 a day!!!!!
His boss treated him like shit too, would scream at him constantly for being late only a few minutes. I overheard his phone call one time when his boss was screaming INSANELY at him and threatening to kill him because he thought my friend had stolen his tools. I told him, "I would switch jobs if I were you, you would get paid way more and treated better at other places," but he refused, he thought he was making lots of money.
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Handymen? I'm a fucking expert. So are most tradespeople who own their companies.
Sorry if you got offended, that's what I hear people around here call anybody with a trade so I just adopted this name from them. I didn't realize it was was an offensive term. I just use it as a blanket statement for anybody who works in a trade, since usually I don't know what their experience is when I meet them.
A handyman is a jack of all master of none guy. Basically a honeydew guy with some tools and a back and minor skills. Yeah, it is insulting to professionals. And your friend does sound like he was getting fucked but if he's stupid enough to take it, well, then maybe he isn't too bright. 3 hour commute? That's insane. Normal for construction? No fucking way. The people around here know what their skills are worth and they aint shy about demanding it.
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Illegal alien laborers around here get $100 cash a day (8 hours) plus lunch plus transportation. Exploited? Fuck that, you get what you can get and don't bring me no whine.
He wasn't an illegal alien. It probably had something to do with the fact that he wasn't licensed yet at the time though.
I remember he didn't get transportation though, he was expected to drive his truck and use his own gas and milage to go to jobs. Which REALLY sucked when he had construction jobs 3 hours away like in Palm Springs. That meant he was basically only making $40-50 a day!!!!!
His boss treated him like shit too, would scream at him constantly for being late only a few minutes. I overheard his phone call one time when his boss was screaming INSANELY at him and threatening to kill him because he thought my friend had stolen his tools. I told him, "I would switch jobs if I were you, you would get paid way more and treated better at other places," but he refused, he thought he was making lots of money.
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Handymen? I'm a fucking expert. So are most tradespeople who own their companies.
Sorry if you got offended, that's what I hear people around here call anybody with a trade so I just adopted this name from them. I didn't realize it was was an offensive term. I just use it as a blanket statement for anybody who works in a trade, since usually I don't know what their experience is when I meet them.
Ah reminds me of the butchers, masters of a craft
Converted to euros that's 1400€, that's a pay someone in a supermarket gets. Typically an unschooled construction worker gets around 1600, schooled ones immediately get around 150-200+ more and that's just the lowest tier you're in. When you specialize you earn boatloads more . It all comes down to how much you want to do yourself really, an untrained eye pays a lot :')
sounds like your friends is a moron and loves carrying cement
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You have a very skewed view of how many hours engineers work. You have posted this before and it is simply not true. I'm a software engineer for a Fortune 50 company and I work 9am-6pm most days. I occasionally have to work later or get called in for something on the weekend but that's the exception not the rule.
Lol but computer programmers aren't really real engineers though are they?
I mean, to me it sounds lije you're comparing appkes and oranges.... kind of like saying "I work at subway as a sandwich engineer! I'm an engineer! "

I am not a "computer programmer" I am a software engineer. I hold an undergraduate degree in electrical engineering. I design hugely complicated, massively scalable systems capable of servicing tens of thousands of requests per second while being fault-tolerant, highly tested, and extensible. My software systems span the globe and are used by millions of people every day. It is not even remotely akin to saying that a Subway worker is a "sandwich engineer".
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What term do you prefer then? I definitely don't want to come off as condescending when I call other people terms like handyman. I just call them that because I know zilch about the industry and just assumed "handyman" was a layman's term.
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And your friend does sound like he was getting fucked but if he's stupid enough to take it, well, then maybe he isn't too bright. 3 hour commute? That's insane. Normal for construction? No fucking way. The people around here know what their skills are worth and they aint shy about demanding it.
Yes he is a very stupid person with a low IQ. He has superficial values and terrible morals, which is probably why he thinks $100 is a lot of money. I would pick any job, ANY JOB, over doing 12 hours of hard manual labor for $100.
When he went on the 3-hour commute, apparently they would stay overnight for 3-7 days or so. Apparently they stayed in like motels or something for those construction jobs.
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You have a very skewed view of how many hours engineers work. You have posted this before and it is simply not true. I'm a software engineer for a Fortune 50 company and I work 9am-6pm most days. I occasionally have to work later or get called in for something on the weekend but that's the exception not the rule.
Lol but computer programmers aren't really real engineers though are they?
I mean, to me it sounds lije you're comparing appkes and oranges.... kind of like saying "I work at subway as a sandwich engineer! I'm an engineer! "
Yeah that's what I was wondering... because I thought the two "main" types of engineering were electrical and mechanical engineering.
There's other "engineers" such as chemical engineers and civil engineers, but clearly they do something very very different from the type of engineers I'm talking about.
Is "computer engineer" basically the same thing as "software programmer?" If so, I can understand why your work hours are way less than a mechanical or electrical engineer. A lot of the computer guys that I know often have lots of free time and work their own hours sometimes.
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I am not a "computer programmer" I am a software engineer. I hold an undergraduate degree in electrical engineering. I design hugely complicated, massively scalable systems capable of servicing tens of thousands of requests per second while being fault-tolerant, highly tested, and extensible. My software systems span the globe and are used by millions of people every day. It is not even remotely akin to saying that a Subway worker is a "sandwich engineer".
Oh okay, gotcha.
So on average, how many hours would you say the average electrical or mechanical engineer works? I wonder why all the ones that I know work 60-80 hours a week. Is it truly possible to work only 40 hours or less a week as an engineer?
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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: pwnasaurus]
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To teach. A PhD in almost any field gives no advantage over your peers unless you want to teach at a university level. Pursuing a PhD in most fields is pretty useless if you want to work in industry. The years of work experience a Master's would have over a PhD in most cases would far outweigh any advantage of having a PhD.
If you are a pursuing a PhD it is usually because you are extremely passionate about learning and pioneering that subject not for any conceivable advantage in the job market.
Definitely not true in the sciences. Even in industry/pharma etc., there are entire subsets of jobs that are PhD only.
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You have a very skewed view of how many hours engineers work. You have posted this before and it is simply not true. I'm a software engineer for a Fortune 50 company and I work 9am-6pm most days. I occasionally have to work later or get called in for something on the weekend but that's the exception not the rule.
Lol but computer programmers aren't really real engineers though are they?
I mean, to me it sounds lije you're comparing appkes and oranges.... kind of like saying "I work at subway as a sandwich engineer! I'm an engineer! "

I am not a "computer programmer" I am a software engineer. I hold an undergraduate degree in electrical engineering. I design hugely complicated, massively scalable systems capable of servicing tens of thousands of requests per second while being fault-tolerant, highly tested, and extensible. My software systems span the globe and are used by millions of people every day. It is not even remotely akin to saying that a Subway worker is a "sandwich engineer".
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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: Crystal G]
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I am not a "computer programmer" I am a software engineer. I hold an undergraduate degree in electrical engineering. I design hugely complicated, massively scalable systems capable of servicing tens of thousands of requests per second while being fault-tolerant, highly tested, and extensible. My software systems span the globe and are used by millions of people every day. It is not even remotely akin to saying that a Subway worker is a "sandwich engineer".
Oh okay, gotcha.
So on average, how many hours would you say the average electrical or mechanical engineer works? I wonder why all the ones that I know work 60-80 hours a week. Is it truly possible to work only 40 hours or less a week as an engineer?
It obviously varies but my experience has been that most people in a professional field work 45-60 hours per week on average. Working 60-80 on average is uncommon and is generally reserved for directors, high-powered consultants/lawyers, and some traders and financial analysts.
That being said, I certainly COULD work that many hours if I wanted to and I would probably get a bigger bonus, but I already make enough money and I value my free time to enjoy my life.
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Not even remotely true. Civil, chemical, geological, mining, aeronautic, etc. There are SO many streams of engineering that to say there are any two "main" paths is laughable.
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It can mean a great many things. A computer engineer can be a hardware engineer who designs CPUs, he can be a test engineer who works on automated testing for manufacturing electrical components, a software developer, the list goes on and on. You really cannot pigeonholing very vast and vague fields into such specific ideas. It does not work that way in the real world.
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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: pwnasaurus]
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You have a very skewed view of how many hours engineers work. You have posted this before and it is simply not true. I'm a software engineer for a Fortune 50 company and I work 9am-6pm most days. I occasionally have to work later or get called in for something on the weekend but that's the exception not the rule.
Lol but computer programmers aren't really real engineers though are they?
I mean, to me it sounds lije you're comparing appkes and oranges.... kind of like saying "I work at subway as a sandwich engineer! I'm an engineer! "

I am not a "computer programmer" I am a software engineer. I hold an undergraduate degree in electrical engineering. I design hugely complicated, massively scalable systems capable of servicing tens of thousands of requests per second while being fault-tolerant, highly tested, and extensible. My software systems span the globe and are used by millions of people every day. It is not even remotely akin to saying that a Subway worker is a "sandwich engineer".
Of course I was exaggerating with the sandwhich engineer. To me it just seems like you are patronizing real engineers by implying that programming software is conparable to designing a bridge or skyscraper.
I mean I see how you're an engineer and designer and all, but you sure aren't on the same level as a real physical engineer.
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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: Beanhead]
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I mean I see how you're an engineer and designer and all, but you sure aren't on the same level as a real physical engineer.
Um... that's what civil engineers do, and that's a totally different type of engineering from mechanical or electrical engineers... actually civil engineering is way easier than mechanical/electrical.
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I am not a "computer programmer" I am a software engineer. I hold an undergraduate degree in electrical engineering. I design hugely complicated, massively scalable systems capable of servicing tens of thousands of requests per second while being fault-tolerant, highly tested, and extensible. My software systems span the globe and are used by millions of people every day. It is not even remotely akin to saying that a Subway worker is a "sandwich engineer".
Of course I was exaggerating with the sandwhich engineer. To me it just seems like you are patronizing real engineers by implying that programming software is conparable to designing a bridge or skyscraper.
I mean I see how you're an engineer and designer and all, but you sure aren't on the same level as a real physical engineer.
Yes, I absolutely am, and you seriously have no idea what you're talking about. Engineering is such a broad field you clearly just have a very, very narrow (and incorrect) view on the subject.
I am working towards my professional engineering certification and software engineering is recognized by the Professional Engineers of Ontario as a legitimate engineering discipline.
You can't seriously tell me that you think the systems designed at Google, Amazon, and many other companies are not impressive displays of engineering just as much as any bridge or skyscraper. If you don't see that you simply do not have a clear understanding the work that goes into designing such complex systems.
To give you an idea of some of the major engineering fields: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_engineering_branches
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I know I know... sorry if I was patronising you. I have respect for software designers.. Maybe I'm just a dummy. .. its just.. comparing website design to structural engineering and acting like they are the same just seems wrong to me.
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Here's where the disconnect is. I'm not talking about "website design" with regards to making "Mom & Pop's Flower Shop" website.
I'm talking designing the systems that power the backend of Google's search, or the systems to service the tens of millions of orders a year at Amazon and to fulfill them through a massive, automated, distribution system. You have some very incorrect preconceived notions of what an engineer is and what goes into designing the software systems used by many corporations around the world.
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Almost all physical engineering done now is just boilerplate calculations and then triple them. I see so much over-design it's ridiculous. They don't care. They don't have to pay for or lift the fucking beams. They admit it.
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Here's where the disconnect is. I'm not talking about "website design" with regards to making "Mom & Pop's Flower Shop" website.
I'm talking designing the systems that power the backend of Google's search, or the systems to service the tens of millions of orders a year at Amazon and to fulfill them through a massive, automated, distribution system. You have some very incorrect preconceived notions of what an engineer is and what goes into designing the software systems used by many corporations around the world.
Yea I'm pretty sure pwn does way more than basic HTML or Java scripting.
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Jvells said: what does everyone think? also will i ever grow out of this? I've been obsessed with tripping and bud for like 5 years now. I'm 19 now and currently my major is in engineering science because its been my dream for quite some time but I'm hearing from my friends in a good college majoring in engineering (one that I would be transferring to most likely after two years) that its no fucking cake walk. I know I have the brains but it's more like can i stay clean...i think a trade would be best for me now huh? Get my shit together then go back to college later? idfk..
I think you should take a year off and get your head straight. You can't keep tripping and smoking weed constantly and expect to make it very far in life.
Of course engineering isn't a cake walk. It's one of the hardest degrees you can take but there's a reason for that - there's TONS of job opportunities and you will never have trouble finding work.
Doing a trade for 20-30 years is going to ruin your body. By the time you're 40 you're body is going to be broken.
This is not true. I'm 57 and still doing whatever carpentry is necessary including framing. It has also kept me in decent shape without ever having to deal with gym douches. I admit I do not tote lumber all day like I used to but with my skill set I would be stupid to waste my time that way. On top of that, electrician is pretty light work for construction. Roofing will definitely fuck you up, though, as will hardwood flooring.
The trades offer the best opportunity to have your own company. That was important to me. Engineers are pretty much always going to be employees. Don't forget that engineering is a difficult course of study. Not many people can complete it.
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Jvells said: So confused what i want to do as im a freshman in college majoring in engineering science. im really considering switching to a trade thoug like an electritian, mechanic maybe, welder or plumber...fuck it whatever. I just want a job thatll be friendly when im 50 years old and will still be pretty interested in...do i wanna be under a sink or wtf. I get interested in a lot easy, i worked tobacco for 5 years and loved it so im a more hands on worker for sure i think.
Welding sounds badass but im reading its always bad conditions. I just wanna guarantee i get a job thatll pay off when i graduate and kinda dont wanna all the debt from college. I NEED OPINIONS, fuckin badd...this shits annoying the hell outta me. At the moment im the most interested in becoming an electritian...can anyone fuckin help my ass...
Well you can make good money in a trade union and learn a bunch more than you can in College Plus they pretty much train you for free and you get your package on top of it. So as an apprentice your looking at the very least 25 an hour. And if you work Prevailing wage jobs like 35 an hour plus time and a half for anything over 40 and double time after 48 or 50 depending on your contract. I have a few good friends in different trades who make bank even being laid off 3 months a year.
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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: r00tuuu123]
#20112808 - 06/11/14 03:39 AM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm doing occupational health and safety. OH&S or whatever you want to call it.
There's a massive demand for it and it's a 6 figure salary if you get the right certifications and credentials to build upon. It's a broad field as well. You can go construction, environmental, health. etc.
either way, quiting college is a bad idea in my opinion. Why not finish it and have those credentials anyway?
Edited by x Ju x (06/11/14 03:50 AM)
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Magicman69
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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: x Ju x]
#20112822 - 06/11/14 03:55 AM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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HVAC is a good trade. Median income is like 50 grand a year. My uncle did HVAC on a Navy base for 20 years and retired at 45 with a fat pension. Now he gets his pension checks and owns his own AC company. Makes good money.
Heating, Ventilation, and Air Conditioning. They also teach you refrigeration.
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