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The GOP's claims on jobs.
#19252650 - 12/09/13 09:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Remember in 2010, when the GOP mantra was "jobs, jobs, jobs?" I'm sure most of you GOPers (or GOPers in hiding) don't quite remember since it is quite embarrassing how little the GOP has since done for job creation.
Let's take a look at the GOP's Tea Party stars:
Scott Walker In three years he has only managed to add less than half of his 250,000 jobs he promised the state of Wisconsin.
Rick Scott According to the Miami Herald, is not doing so hot, either. A three part report and analysis claims that Rick Scott is nowhere near his promise of 700,000 more jobs than economists predicted
Oh, I'd also like to give a shout-out to some of the people who thought my claim about Baby Boomers retiring is causing a significant drop in the workforce.
Those people include:
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zappaisgod said:

You're tripping balls aren't you? Retired boomers and 16-20 year olds aren't generally considered in the work force. How's your job going?
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qman said: The 3 reasons in your link are total bullshit, it's disgraceful to even post it.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/12/09/study-retirees-can-explain-the-entire-drop-in-the-labor-force-since-2012/
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Study: Retirees can explain the drop in the labor force since 2012
Posted by Brad Plumer on December 9, 2013 at 3:43 pm
The U.S. labor force has been shrinking rapidly in recent years. Back in 2007, some 66 percent of working-age Americans had a job or were actively seeking one. That shrunk to 64 percent by the end of 2011. Today, it's down to 63 percent. (AP)
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Economists often point to three explanations for the drop: More and more Americans are retiring as the Baby Boom generation ages; more workers are going on disability; and the shoddy economy is discouraging people from seeking work.
But perhaps we can get even more precise: A fairly new paper (pdf) from Shigeru Fujita of the Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia argues that a growing number of discouraged workers were indeed a big factor in shrinking the labor force between 2007 and 2011. But that's less true today. An uptick in retirements are what's driving the continuing fall in labor-force participation since the start of 2012.
How does he figure? Fujita sifted through all the Census micro-data on the reasons people gave for not participating in the labor force. A few conclusions stood out:
1) First, the participation rate dropped 3.9 percentage points between 2000 and 2013. About 65 percent of that decrease was due to people either retiring or going on disability. The rest of the drop was due to "other" reasons — whether it was people going back to school, raising kids, or getting discouraged by a weak job market...
nonparticipation reasons
2) During the first four years of the recession, the horrible U.S. economy was indeed a major reason why people were dropping out of the labor force.
Between the end of 2007 and the end of 2011, the number of people who wanted a job but weren't actively looking for one — perhaps because they were discouraged by the weak labor market — increased significantly. This explains one-quarter of the decline in the participation rate over this period, Fujita estimates.
3) Something shifted last year, however. Between the start of 2012 and the summer of 2013, Fujita found, virtually all of the drop in labor force participation has been due to an increase in retirements.
Meanwhile, the total number of workers who have been discouraged and abandoned their search for jobs appears to have stabilized. (Note: This does not mean workers have stopped dropping out — it simply suggests that the overall number isn't increasing the way it was at the start of the recession.)
cumulative reasons
Notice that retirements don't seem to have played a big role in the decline of the labor force until around 2010 — and then they started accelerating. One possible theory here is that many workers who were near retirement in 2008 spent a few extra years on the job after the financial crisis to rebuild their 401(k)s and retirement savings.
For Fujita, one takeaway here is that we may not see the U.S. labor force participation rate rebound any time soon, even as the economy improves — because retirements now appear to be the driving force here. "[I ]t is not clear whether the overall participation rate will increase any time soon, given that the underlying downward trend due to retirement is likely to continue."
(The pointer to the paper is thanks to Robin Harding, who draws out another possible implication: If quantitative easing from the Federal Reserve pushes up the stock market, that could help retirees rebuild their portfolios and retire sooner, thereby pushing down the participation rate.)
Wow, it seems like the Baby Boomers retiring might actually have something to do with these numbers, imagine that. All this, while unemployment rates are at a 5 year low.
But, once again, nothing good that happens under Obama's watch is due to Obama, but everything that goes wrong definitely is his fault
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Re: The GOP's claims on jobs. [Re: Mush4Brains] 1
#19255599 - 12/10/13 02:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Unemployment is what it is because they don't count people who have given up looking for work.
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Re: The GOP's claims on jobs. [Re: zappaisgod]
#19255619 - 12/10/13 02:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I always had a hard time understanding how a president can be responsible for the employment rate. It's the market's fault and the company hiring/firing fault. Not the president or politicians.
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Re: The GOP's claims on jobs. [Re: Patlal] 1
#19255695 - 12/10/13 02:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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General overall environment for business and coddling of not workers
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Re: The GOP's claims on jobs. [Re: Patlal]
#19255917 - 12/10/13 03:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Patlal said: I always had a hard time understanding how a president can be responsible for the employment rate. It's the market's fault and the company hiring/firing fault. Not the president or politicians.
Perhaps then, when running for office and afterward making speeches, they shouldn't claim they will create X number of new jobs.
Also, a Presidents policies can indeed affect the rate. One need merely look at their tax policies and in the case of the fuckwit in the oval office... Obamacare.
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Re: The GOP's claims on jobs. [Re: zappaisgod]
#19257949 - 12/10/13 10:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Unemployment is what it is because they don't count people who have given up looking for work.
You keep saying this, but you are apparently wrong?
Why can't you accept the facts and then work off of that?
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Re: The GOP's claims on jobs. [Re: Mush4Brains] 1
#19259537 - 12/11/13 10:45 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Employment as a percent of the working age population is at its lowest point since women joined the work force. How's your job going?
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Re: The GOP's claims on jobs. [Re: zappaisgod]
#19259547 - 12/11/13 10:49 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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what are these GOPs you speak of?
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Re: The GOP's claims on jobs. [Re: zappaisgod]
#19262016 - 12/11/13 07:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Employment as a percent of the working age population is at its lowest point since women joined the work force. How's your job going?
My job is going great.
Why don't you address an issue instead of asking stupid questions?
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Re: The GOP's claims on jobs. [Re: EddYerb] 1
#19262026 - 12/11/13 07:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Funny how the dems control the senate and presidency but somehow job creation is the job or fault of the gop. And zap is right, they fuck with the unemployment figures like mad to make the do nothing pres look good. If this is a recovery then i'd hate to see another recession. A jobless recovery, and most of those new jobs are part time. The aca will see to that.
Turn the situation around, lets say gop controlled the senate and presidency, would people be blaming the dems for the lousy economic situation? No. Give credit for the present mess to the current occupant and his loyal dumbasses.
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Re: The GOP's claims on jobs. [Re: Stonehenge]
#19262055 - 12/11/13 07:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Stonehenge said: Funny how the dems control the senate and presidency but somehow job creation is the job or fault of the gop.
Because the House doesn't have a say in anything, right?
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And zap is right, they fuck with the unemployment figures like mad to make the do nothing pres look good.
Proof?
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If this is a recovery then i'd hate to see another recession.
If the GOP has their way, we're well on our way to another DEPRESSION.
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Tell that to the lowest unemployment rate in 5 years.
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and most of those new jobs are part time
I see you watch a lot of Fox News, and love reading Breitbart and Redstate.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2013/10/27/one-of-the-great-anti-obamacare-lies-exposed-data-proves-aca-not-responsible-for-growth-in-part-time-jobs/
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Re: The GOP's claims on jobs. [Re: Mush4Brains] 1
#19265196 - 12/12/13 10:45 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Mush4Brains, you are well named. Your post is nothing but a liberal rant. You ignore the fact dems are in control and try to cast blame at the gop. Then you deny there is any blame to cast saying you believe the unemployment figures. Why then is it so hard to find a decent job? Why then is total employment at its lowest level since the depression? Because they don't count those who have given up on looking for a job, or the ones who are employed part time but need a full time job.
You obviously get your information from msnbc and other lamestream media outlets.
What are this do nothing presidents major accomplishments?
1. the aca
and thats about it. What are his major failures?
1. the aca 2. the ongoing recession 3. unemployment and underemployment 4. the nsa spying scandal 5. benghazi 6. the irs scandal 7. constant cronyism 8. drones and undeclared war 9. allowing illegal immigration
Now be sure to come back and say bush was just as bad as though that excuses this excuse for a president. The worst pres in history.
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