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DebuteMachine

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I finally see an error in our judgment.
#19251562 - 12/09/13 06:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Dear Shroomerites,
Everyone may not feel the same, but it just dawned on me how strongly I feel about this. The current state of psychedelic research.
If you were to go out with a group of friends, and you were going to be the Shaman per se, how would you introduce psychedelics to friends? I can't believe some people today are still so cautious about psyches. I know individuals currently who believe mushrooms are dangerous.
Well, they are right and they are wrong, but that's a debate for a different day. Right now it occurred to me I've always felt some sort of moral ambiguity about giving people mushrooms. It's because the research just isn't there.
Fact: The shroomery's idea of how to trip is to take a massive amount and go into a secluded area. Don't bullshit me people, this is how I learned to trip from this community. Hell, even Terence would say something to back this claim up, it's posted around here enough!*
How do we introduce psyches into the new public? The 60's are gone, but psychedelics are making a come back. Also, they have so much untapped potential.
I want to experience in the past what I did on psychedelics with my new social circle, but none of them have experience. Now this is hypothetical, but how would you introduce your new group of inexperienced friends to shrooms? Do you take the Terrence route? Do you take the Amsterdam route?** Do you go off the grid?
Thanks for reading, and please reply. This is a very important subject to, well, my life.

*Terrence says to take 5grams and go into a dark room. **One could argue Amsterdam is a city, and that's what I want to do, city trip.
This entire message is hypothetical and speaking about dreams and desires. Don't pull this Minority Report shit to any LEO's listening.
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Re: I finally see an error in our judgment. [Re: DebuteMachine]
#19251638 - 12/09/13 06:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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The first rule of thumb I have about introducing people to psychedelics is, make sure it's something that they WANT to do. Don't put any pressure on them. If they have any apprehension about it, and if they're afraid to do it, they will most likely get scared on the come-up and freak out. They have to decide for themselves if it's something they want to do. When it comes to mushrooms, newbies should probably take 3 - 3.5 grams. I feel really uncomfortable if I don't take enough to trip, but it can also be uncomfortable if you take too much. Another thing to consider is their psychological stability. If they don't seem mentally stable, don't give them psychedelics. Make sure they're capable of dealing with unpleasant states of consciousness in a calm manner. For example, if they get too carried away and freaked out by strong cannabis experiences or from alcohol, I wouldn't advise giving them a psychedelic drug.
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Re: I finally see an error in our judgment. [Re: DebuteMachine]
#19251661 - 12/09/13 06:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've seen much debate on this issue here over the years and reject the idea that there is one "shroomery approved" method of tripping. Everyone is unique.
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Re: I finally see an error in our judgment. [Re: nicechrisman]
#19251928 - 12/09/13 07:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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nicechrisman said: I've seen much debate on this issue here over the years and reject the idea that there is one "shroomery approved" method of tripping. Everyone is unique.
I'd agree. When I read OP's classification of the way shroomery members like to trip, I was taken aback.
I've never tripped like that. I enjoy it with a good friend or two. And I think a bunch of others here are the same way. It's more of a diverse community than it seems.
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larry.fisherman
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Re: I finally see an error in our judgment. [Re: KingKnowledge]
#19251973 - 12/09/13 07:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Social setting varies depending on your intent. A fun trip is heavily social. A heavy trip needs you in your own head, having people around isn't necessary or even relevant. A spiritual or shaman level trip, is you and you alone whether you like it or not. Sitter is obviously a must but does it even matter. It's hard to keep in contact from that world.
Tripping is a very personal experience once past the threshold of level 3. I prefer to trip alone after that point. Having company or just friends around gives me a need to entertain and interact. Knowing I cannot easily provide that causes unease. Therefore, I trip alone. It's not being antisocial, it's quite the opposite.
Not only that, but socially, I can't focus on the qualities of tripping I most enjoy. Social is uplifting and distracting. Alone is spiritual, and focused.
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PrimalSoup
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Re: I finally see an error in our judgment. [Re: DebuteMachine]
#19252093 - 12/09/13 07:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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DebuteMachine said: I want to experience in the past what I did on psychedelics with my new social circle, but none of them have experience. Now this is hypothetical, but how would you introduce your new group of inexperienced friends to shrooms? Do you take the Terrence route? Do you take the Amsterdam route?** Do you go off the grid?
Uhm, as in give them away? I've never said no to free drugs. 
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Edited by PrimalSoup (12/09/13 07:43 PM)
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Sgt. Pepper



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Re: I finally see an error in our judgment. [Re: larry.fisherman]
#19252110 - 12/09/13 07:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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First of all, don't give them to your dumbass friend who can't keep his mouth shut. Everyone has one, and I made that mistake. Now I'm constantly getting people coming up to me "hey, I heard you have some shrooms," Me:"who told you?" Them:"insert dumbass's name" Me: "I need to kick dumbasses ass." All kidding aside, some people plain and simply don't deserve the psychedelic experience. So be careful who you give them too. Whenever I introduce a new person to shrooms, I like to keep it around 1.5 to 2 grams and I'm always with them, whether I'm tripping or sober sitting. I had a very close friend of mine trip theoretical woman balls off of 1.5 grams and I'm very glad I was there to help her through it. She was seeing life in everything, a glass of orange juice was the orange juice jugs child and they must not be separated. She's not the type to fake it either, I could see the fear in her when I took a sip of the juice. I also dosed off for a but and woke up with her sitting on the floor looking very surprised at my cabinets. All off of 1.5 grams. It sounds comical now, and she had a great trip, but you never now how intense it can be with first timers and that shit is so real to the tripper. Just try to make sure their first time is great, it's very easy to scare someone off their first time.
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Re: I finally see an error in our judgment. [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
#19252230 - 12/09/13 08:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sgt. Pepper said: First of all, don't give them to your dumbass friend who can't keep his mouth shut. Everyone has one, and I made that mistake. Now I'm constantly getting people coming up to me "hey, I heard you have some shrooms," Me:"who told you?" Them:"insert dumbass's name" Me: "I need to kick dumbasses ass." All kidding aside, some people plain and simply don't deserve the psychedelic experience. So be careful who you give them too. Whenever I introduce a new person to shrooms, I like to keep it around 1.5 to 2 grams and I'm always with them, whether I'm tripping or sober sitting. I had a very close friend of mine trip theoretical woman balls off of 1.5 grams and I'm very glad I was there to help her through it. She was seeing life in everything, a glass of orange juice was the orange juice jugs child and they must not be separated. She's not the type to fake it either, I could see the fear in her when I took a sip of the juice. I also dosed off for a but and woke up with her sitting on the floor looking very surprised at my cabinets. All off of 1.5 grams. It sounds comical now, and she had a great trip, but you never now how intense it can be with first timers and that shit is so real to the tripper. Just try to make sure their first time is great, it's very easy to scare someone off their first time.
Everyone deserves the psychedelic experience
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Re: I finally see an error in our judgment. [Re: KingKnowledge]
#19252272 - 12/09/13 08:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Your fact isn't a fact.
I suggest medium doses out in nature. I never suggest a dark room and I always suggest medium doses unless the user is experienced. I also recommend being active and interacting with friends and especially the world in particular. I also recommend doing away with modern technology and bringing only something to play music such as a guitar but f you're not musically inclined then a music player, other than that I don't recommend tech.
Even talking about this is givin me huge nostalgia. I want to trip in the woods under the stars so bad!!! Damn it, I miss it, I miss dialated eyes and nature.
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larry.fisherman
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Re: I finally see an error in our judgment. [Re: KingKnowledge]
#19252279 - 12/09/13 08:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Everyone doesn't deserve it, sometimes you have to earn it, through the path of the warrior. Our badge of honour, the bad trip, we all must wear if you feel courage and thirst for great things in your heart. To say everyone deserves to trip is incorrect, if not perfectly valid. I think the only people who truly deserve to trip are those who need it, those who do not abuse it, and those who respect it. That being said, life is about love and what is love without sacrifice? Live and let trip, bro. I'm down with the funky shit. First time I tripped it was crazy scary but totally enjoyable. Knowing it would be that way would not deter me, and if someone would have told me I had to be babysat and cut off, I would have said to shove them up your ass, respectively. Because those are some of the best times of my life. Don't stifle bros bro.
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Re: I finally see an error in our judgment. [Re: larry.fisherman]
#19252489 - 12/09/13 08:49 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Interesting question. I remember the first time I tripped I said about 100 times "wow, why can't everyone feel this? Everyone needs to experience this.. the world would be a better place!"
I still believe that... maybe not EVERYONE, but every open-minded and stable person. I am going to ask my girlfriend to trip with me next time. I plan on asking her to take a lesser dose, explaining to her what she can expect. If she doesn't want to, I'm going to ask specifically why. If it is because she thinks it'll "fry her brain", then I'll educate her. If she just is not interested because she is afraid of the visuals or something, then oh well - wasn't meant to be.
I would say it is good to encourage people to try, and explain the benefits of it and dispell any myths. But don't "peer pressure" someone into it! They need to change their mind on their own let them see how much of a good experience you have while tripping - maybe that'll help.
-------------------- And in my darkest moment, fetal and weeping, the moon tells me a secret - my confidant. As full and bright as I am, this light is not my own and a million light reflections pass over me. Its source is bright and endless. - Tool
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larry.fisherman
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Re: I finally see an error in our judgment. [Re: TheGreenBox]
#19252525 - 12/09/13 08:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think finding someone who isn't open minded would be an exponentially greater task than sharing with someone who already has more of their shit figured out. Isn't that the point?
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Re: I finally see an error in our judgment. [Re: TheGreenBox]
#19252624 - 12/09/13 09:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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As a matter of fact, this dumbass that I am talking about does not deserve the psychedelic experience. He has no respect for it, he abuses it and wants nothing more out of it than pretty colors. I gave him a chance and he told everyone, within a shouts reach of his loud ass, who generously provided him with those mushrooms, free of charge. He talked about a 1.5 gram trip saying "it was so intense bro! The whole room turned blue/red(it changes everytime he tells it) and then I thought the room was closing in on me and I screamed and ran out of the room!" There was someone in the room with him sleeping that night who reports no scream. He fakes experiences like this to try to compare to my actual bad trip on 5 grams. His only goal in taking psychedelics is to be cool and get high and that is just unacceptable. I genuinely believed they would help his assinign behavior, but clearly it is only something for him to brag about to his friends or everyone who asks. I mean really, just today this ass wipe came to school on "acid," I'm almost positive it's fake, ergo the quotes. Someone with any respect for the psychedelic experience would never think of doing that. I'm a grower so in a short time I will have an almost unlimited supply, and I'm heavily considering giving him a large dose, with his consent of course. The destruction of his ego, which he has built up with lies of his sexual conquests and all of his borderline mentally challenging drug experiences, would be destroyed and he just may be able to gain respect for the experience. Until then I am not fueling his abuse of a beautiful substance and risking my freedom for a 6 hour high from the 1.5 grams of shrooms he eats without any intention of gaining anything except for another story to brag about to his friends. Sorry for the long winded speech/vent sesh, this guys really been pissing me off lately and I wanted to reiterate that he DOES NOT deserve the psychedelic experience until he learns to respect the substances he is trying to simply get high off of. If he wants high, go huff freon, don't disrespect my sacred fungus. Again, sorry about that.
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larry.fisherman
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Re: I finally see an error in our judgment. [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
#19252674 - 12/09/13 09:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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No I get it bro. I would probably consider the same thing.
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Re: I finally see an error in our judgment. [Re: larry.fisherman]
#19252766 - 12/09/13 09:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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XLCaps said: No I get it bro. I would probably consider the same thing.
Thank you, I don't want to fuck him up or anything, I mean he is my friend, I just want him to give psychedelics the respect that they will shove in your face if you aren't careful. Anyone know a good way of going about this? Iboga and ayahuasca are probably a little extreme, I think 5 grams of good shrooms will set him strait. It sure did that for me, I'm so terrified of that place that I get scared shitless just thinking about it. I'll be there to sober watch him, anyone think this is too cruel? He's almost certain to have a bad trip. When an ego so inflated gets burst, it's bound to cause some significant fear. But back to the op, as I have said, be careful who you introduce to psychedelics, and when the time comes to trip with your friends, give them a wonderful experience. I had a friend who I introduced by going shopping with him for trip toys before hand and firing up my lava lamp. My cousin and I each had 2.5 whereas the first timer and my girlfriend had about 1.5. I didn't fast so it wound up feeling like 1.5 also and it was one of the best nights of each of our lives. We had an amazing time and laughed until we were crying. The badger dance is probably one of the funniest things on the planet and to this day we joke about it all the time. A trip is a beautiful thing, share it with those who won't abuse it and try to help those that do abuse it.
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Re: I finally see an error in our judgment. [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
#19253211 - 12/09/13 11:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Offer it, don't push it. Allow them to decide. Remember that psychedelics really aren't for everyone.
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Re: I finally see an error in our judgment. [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
#19253225 - 12/09/13 11:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I believe it comes down to what the individual feels they want to do.
Tell your friends your experiences and they will decide for themselves whether they want to do it or not, and how hard they want to trip.
I took 4.3 grams my first time and had an amazing trip. It remains the most I have ever taken. I usually take around 2 grams because I feel that is just the amount I need to be where I want to be.
There is nothing wrong with jumping head-first into the psychedelic experience as long as you feel it is what you want. Even though I had tripped very hard on acid before my first shroom experience, I was a bit apprehensive taking shrooms for the first time.
I have never had a bad experience on psychedelics, and doubt I ever will. They aren't for everyone, so tell people all you know about the wonders of tripping but never pressure them.
Edited by Melkor (12/09/13 11:20 PM)
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Smeagol
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Re: I finally see an error in our judgment. [Re: Melkor]
#19254322 - 12/10/13 08:28 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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First thing I would do is bring it up in a discussion. It should be pretty easy to spot people who are interested.
lots of people talk about eating a lot of mushrooms but about 2 grams seems to get said more often. But it also doesnt get as much attention as when the psychedelic warriors come out talking about never eating under 5g. But not everyone wants that level of experience.
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DebuteMachine

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Re: I finally see an error in our judgment. [Re: Smeagol]
#19254349 - 12/10/13 08:35 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Smeagol said: First thing I would do is bring it up in a discussion. It should be pretty easy to spot people who are interested.
lots of people talk about eating a lot of mushrooms but about 2 grams seems to get said more often. But it also doesnt get as much attention as when the psychedelic warriors come out talking about never eating under 5g. But not everyone wants that level of experience.
Whoa hold up, you are saying 2gs is a standard dose, but you like to bring that bad boy to level 5 grams?
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Smeagol
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Re: I finally see an error in our judgment. [Re: DebuteMachine]
#19254379 - 12/10/13 08:48 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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No Im talking about people who use large doses and have never eaten under 5g like I said. Their doses and experience can derail an entire thread. Not everyone wants to be lost in the psychadelic ocean battling for their sanity and dealing with cosmic revelations. Some just want a good time, a little visuals and a deeper than normal reflection on things. For me these stories are like a bug light drawing me in.
There was a poll that is quoted pretty regularly that came up with 2g. I think that is a great starting dose. of cubes anyways.
-------------------- The road to hell is paved with good intentions, but it is not paved with clarity.” -Terence "If you're not peaking what the fuck are you doing?" Dude on facebook
Edited by Smeagol (12/10/13 11:46 AM)
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