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have you ever wondered why the south is racist? 1
#19251216 - 12/09/13 05:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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http://www.censusscope.org/us/map_nhblack.html
let me try to put this like a Koan.
a rich man noticed a young street urchin killing a cat. He yelled at the boy "why must you be so cruel to the cat?". the boy replied "because they are everywhere".
the people who like to tout how "unracist" they are, are generally the people who do not live in an area where black people pervade everyday life.
it is easy to be a Jain behind a mosquito net....
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#19251247 - 12/09/13 05:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: SneezingPenis] 2
#19251262 - 12/09/13 05:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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SneezingPenis said: a rich man noticed a young street urchin killing a cat. He yelled at the boy "why must you be so cruel to the cat?". the boy replied "because they are everywhere".
So correct me if I'm wrong.
You're saying that cruel racism towards black people is ok in the south "because they are everywhere"?
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Sleepwalker]
#19251285 - 12/09/13 05:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't think cruel racism is any more prevalent than serial killings.
I think the threshold for labeling someone a racist is extremely low. crossing the street or locking your car when a black person is nearby is not racism.
the actual definition of racism is in regards to actively subjugating someone based on the color of their skin. With respect to that definition, i would say that the south is no more racist than anywhere else in the US.
but this modern day definition of "not liking" black people as equalling racism, then yes, the south is racist as fuck.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#19251291 - 12/09/13 05:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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oh, and yes, it is ok.... by the latter definition, not the former.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#19251295 - 12/09/13 05:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Doesn't seem like a very accurate koan.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Sleepwalker]
#19251299 - 12/09/13 05:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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South had slavery, people were pissed when it was abolished, so i imagine that hate was past down threw generation because they were raised to feel that way, and the fact that the black population is so high in that area doesn't help.
Thats my thought on it.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#19251305 - 12/09/13 05:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I want to make a tv show where you find the most adamantly "unracist" person and have them take a few graveyard shifts at a 7-11 in detroit and see when and how often they put their hand on the shotgun under the cash register...
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: SneezingPenis] 3
#19251324 - 12/09/13 05:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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SneezingPenis said: I want to make a tv show where you find the most adamantly "unracist" person and have them take a few graveyard shifts at a 7-11 in detroit and see when and how often they put their hand on the shotgun under the cash register...
Perhaps it is not the color/race of the person that causes them to rob a 7-11, but their socioeconomic status and/or cultural mores. Perhaps in certain regions, color/race and socioeconomic status + cultural mores are more correlated than in other regions?
Perhaps you are simplifying the situation far too much to justify your racism?
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: 2bakednate]
#19251341 - 12/09/13 05:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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2bakednate said: South had slavery, people were pissed when it was abolished, so i imagine that hate was past down threw generation because they were raised to feel that way, and the fact that the black population is so high in that area doesn't help.
Thats my thought on it.
I have lived a long time in the south... all over the south, and I don't think events that happened 150 years ago really affect or sway peoples opinions.
so would you consider the stereotypical hatred of mexicans by Texans to be remnants of the secession? or is it possible that the relative density of mexican populations in Texas are more to blame for that?
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: deCypher]
#19251363 - 12/09/13 05:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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SneezingPenis said: I want to make a tv show where you find the most adamantly "unracist" person and have them take a few graveyard shifts at a 7-11 in detroit and see when and how often they put their hand on the shotgun under the cash register...
Perhaps it is not the color/race of the person that causes them to rob a 7-11, but their socioeconomic status and/or cultural mores. Perhaps in certain regions, color/race and socioeconomic status + cultural mores are more correlated than in other regions?
Perhaps you are simplifying the situation far too much to justify your racism?
yes! i like where you are going with this.
so if someone doesn't feel safe around a person who is black, who just so happens to fit the stereotype of a felon, are they being racist, or merely cautious?
what I am saying is- how can you tell if a person is racist when there are so many other factors that are "forgivable" to react to?
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#19251381 - 12/09/13 05:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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oh, and i don't need to justify my racism. I am perfectly ok with my views on black people.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#19252307 - 12/09/13 08:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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deCypher said: Perhaps it is not the color/race of the person that causes them to rob a 7-11, but their socioeconomic status and/or cultural mores. Perhaps in certain regions, color/race and socioeconomic status + cultural mores are more correlated than in other regions?
Perhaps you are simplifying the situation far too much to justify your racism?
yes! i like where you are going with this.
so if someone doesn't feel safe around a person who is black, who just so happens to fit the stereotype of a felon, are they being racist, or merely cautious?
Depends on the reasoning behind their feeling of not being safe. If they feel this emotion because the person in question fits the stereotype of the felon, then no, this wouldn't imply that they're racist. If, on the other hand, they feel this emotion solely because the person in question is black, then yes, that would be a racist supposition, unless also backed with reasoning that tries to infer that given the correlation between being black and being a felon, that person is probably also a felon.
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SneezingPenis said: what I am saying is- how can you tell if a person is racist when there are so many other factors that are "forgivable" to react to?
Honestly, I don't much care about when to apply the label of 'racist' or the concept of racism to someone as ultimately it can boil down to quite subjective standards of judgment of a particular person. But I do think that fearing someone specifically and directly because they are black is irrational and stupid, unless backed with my previously mentioned reasoning correlating race to socioeconomic conditions and likelihood of committing illegal actions.
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SneezingPenis said: oh, and i don't need to justify my racism. I am perfectly ok with my views on black people.
Ok.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: deCypher]
#19253247 - 12/09/13 11:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I live in the south, and black people are not pervading anything. There's an equal amount of white shitbags. I don't believe in racism because I hate indiscriminately.
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#19253299 - 12/09/13 11:45 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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SneezingPenis said: I want to make a tv show where you find the most adamantly "unracist" person and have them take a few graveyard shifts at a 7-11 in detroit and see when and how often they put their hand on the shotgun under the cash register...
Perhaps you should have attended Cornell University with my Black wife, where she schooled with other Black Ivy League students, who are today's 'movers and shakers,' attorneys, physicians, CEOs, and all manner of professionals. You want to look at the gutter-level of a financially ruined American city and project that onto what, ALL brown-skinned Americans of a certain socio-economic and educational level? Your mind is in the gutter, identified with the Muladhara chakra - survival, fear, physical violence - the lowest mammalian, limbic system stuff. And which physical organ is the Muladhara chakra associated with? Answer: the asshole. Your physical head may not be in there, but your mind seems to be. Your mind is tainted with fear, and IF you associate your fear with skin color, then you'd be just as ignorant as any sheet-wearing, inbred fucktard who ever lived in the USA. It's about a whole lot of variables, mostly those that I named - socio-economic and educational levels, not melanin content. The low-life who happen to be Black can smell your fear, so you have every reason to be even more fearful. They are all about Muladhara mentally too. Violent criminals are human scum regardless of their color. I've been friends or friendly with Blacks whether they were janitors or PhD CEOs, or anything in between. Fearing psychopaths is normal. Fearing Blacks is just racism. I recommend practicing 'color-blindness' while being cautious around psychopaths.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: deCypher]
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deCypher said: Perhaps it is not the color/race of the person that causes them to rob a 7-11, but their socioeconomic status and/or cultural mores. Perhaps in certain regions, color/race and socioeconomic status + cultural mores are more correlated than in other regions?
Perhaps you are simplifying the situation far too much to justify your racism?
yes! i like where you are going with this.
so if someone doesn't feel safe around a person who is black, who just so happens to fit the stereotype of a felon, are they being racist, or merely cautious?
Depends on the reasoning behind their feeling of not being safe. If they feel this emotion because the person in question fits the stereotype of the felon, then no, this wouldn't imply that they're racist. If, on the other hand, they feel this emotion solely because the person in question is black, then yes, that would be a racist supposition, unless also backed with reasoning that tries to infer that given the correlation between being black and being a felon, that person is probably also a felon.
so acting a different way around people because the color of their skin is racist? does that include the white apologists that go above and beyond to be nice to black people solely because they want to show how "unracist" they are?
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
#19254941 - 12/10/13 11:35 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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SneezingPenis said: I want to make a tv show where you find the most adamantly "unracist" person and have them take a few graveyard shifts at a 7-11 in detroit and see when and how often they put their hand on the shotgun under the cash register...
Perhaps you should have attended Cornell University with my Black wife, where she schooled with other Black Ivy League students, who are today's 'movers and shakers,' attorneys, physicians, CEOs, and all manner of professionals. You want to look at the gutter-level of a financially ruined American city and project that onto what, ALL brown-skinned Americans of a certain socio-economic and educational level? Your mind is in the gutter, identified with the Muladhara chakra - survival, fear, physical violence - the lowest mammalian, limbic system stuff. And which physical organ is the Muladhara chakra associated with? Answer: the asshole. Your physical head may not be in there, but your mind seems to be. Your mind is tainted with fear, and IF you associate your fear with skin color, then you'd be just as ignorant as any sheet-wearing, inbred fucktard who ever lived in the USA. It's about a whole lot of variables, mostly those that I named - socio-economic and educational levels, not melanin content. The low-life who happen to be Black can smell your fear, so you have every reason to be even more fearful. They are all about Muladhara mentally too. Violent criminals are human scum regardless of their color. I've been friends or friendly with Blacks whether they were janitors or PhD CEOs, or anything in between. Fearing psychopaths is normal. Fearing Blacks is just racism. I recommend practicing 'color-blindness' while being cautious around psychopaths.
the attitude that passes as modern day racism isn't generally one on one... meaning nobody thinks "stupid nigger" when they pass a black person in the hallway, or see them in the doctors waiting area. it is when they are in groups or in certain social situations and they are acting stereotypically black. See, your average racist by todays standards aren't hateful of the individual black person, but rather the type of person that black culture is producing. black culture is toxic, lazy, selfish and oblivious. It is when these traits of black culture are expressed by a black person that we think "stupid nigger".
I am considered racist by todays standards, but let me let you in on my thought process, because you are way off. I don't see a black person and think "goddamn nigger". doesn't happen that way. I see a persons demeanor,attitude,style/aesthetic choices and the way they speak and add that all up and THEN see that they are black and say "oh, thats the reason, they never learned how to not be a nigger". if they are well spoken and dressed appropriately nobody thinks "this fuckin nigger".
The person holding up the line at the convenience store scratching off lottery tickets and not moving, pants around his thighs and then buys 2 blount wraps with nickels and pennies and then hops in his 1998 maroon impala with new rims and shaking the windows with shitty bass from a shitty rap song... yeah, that is when people like me just shake their head and think "what a fuckin nigger".
it isn't white people "keeping darky down". it is black people that keep other black people down, by buying into this toxic culture and never learning another way to act. Furthermore, they actually make the idealized black dream to be a hustle. the end game is to never have to work and have everything handed to you for free. Females learn that they need to start making baby daddies as soon as possible, start gettin dem checks. It is only when a black person rises up from that bullshit that they get my respect as an equal of society.
now, I don't go out and subjugate black people. I just try to avoid those types of black people. I don't want to be around them, because it isn't about the color of their skin, but rather a CHOICE that they have made to buy into that toxic black culture and perpetuate it.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Tmethyl] 2
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You are a racist, and as I have zero interest in communicating with haters, this will be my final words with you.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Rahz]
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I'm so sick of hearing people say shit is racist because a black person is involved. Do you people understand how many godamn races of people there are? On a side note I have lived in Southeast Texas my whole life and I have met plenty of white people with disdain toward blacks and plenty of black people who think white people are responsible for the worlds problems. Just go fucking kill yourself already.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: MarkostheGnostic] 2
#19257391 - 12/10/13 08:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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MarkostheGnostic said: You are a racist, and as I have zero interest in communicating with haters, this will be my final words with you. 
Well I see you're using the personalism card. Good play.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Icelander]
#19257510 - 12/10/13 08:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Icelander said:
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MarkostheGnostic said: You are a racist, and as I have zero interest in communicating with haters, this will be my final words with you. 
Well I see you're using the personalism card. Good play. 
Meh, Sneezing explicitly owned up to being racist. IMO he made it personal by using himself in his argument.
The only thing I found amusing was that MtG replied to Tmethyl as opposed to Sneezing, probably not a good mistake to make...
Edit:
Quite personally I may add that I'm glad that I don't have to live near uneducated, racist hicks here in Portland.. and thanks to the ignore feature, I don't have to virtually either. That's directed to no one in particular .
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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Markos, your constant childish outbursts requiring warnings and bans every few months for going on years now are really getting boring. PS&P is for adults to discuss controversial topics without throwing childish temper tantrums and name calling as you have a long history of doing here.
If you are unable to control your behavior without these constant time-outs, you're going to end up permanently banned from the PS&P forum and relegated to OTD with the rest of the members who can't control themselves.
When you come back, how about you demonstrate that you can behave like an adult, eh? Either follow the rules or stay out of threads with controversial topics that make you lose control.
Keep this up and you are on your way to a permaban from PS&P. How this plays out is 100% up to you.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: SneezingPenis] 1
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The person holding up the line at the convenience store scratching off lottery tickets and not moving, pants around his thighs and then buys 2 blount wraps with nickels and pennies and then hops in his 1998 maroon impala with new rims and shaking the windows with shitty bass from a shitty rap song... yeah, that is when people like me just shake their head and think "what a fuckin nigger".
I'm curious. If you see a white guy who is slurring his words at the convenience store dressed in pajamas with a scraggly beard, dirty "wife beater" shirt, and flip-flops buying a single bottle of beer and a pack of cigarettes with nickles and pennies who then hops into his 1998 rusty Celica with a broken radio and a cracked windshield and one of those tiny spare tires on the car, do you shake your head and think "fucking white trailer trash"?
BTW, I don't necessarily disagree with you though I'm not sure I entirely agree either. I also initially judge people I don't know based on what I see because that's all the information I have to work with. If some scary guy (or woman) is walking past my car I lock the doors, but their skin color has little to do with it. How much of a threat I perceive regardless of color is what drives my decision.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Diploid]
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I think we can all agree that both those kinds of people deserve painful deaths by chickens. There are plenty of both where I live. Plenty of chickens too. Anyone else have a chicken fetish?
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Diploid]
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hey don't have the time to reply to all the posts, but if i helps, I would rather Markos be in this discussion. please do not ban him, I want to hear his input on this. Replies coming in about 9 hours.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: SneezingPenis]
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My guess is he is now ignoring you. In any case, you can have his input when he gets back provided he follows the rules. Or if you like, I can move this to OTD and he can call you any name wants without consequences.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Diploid]
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I see WAY too much ego in here. Oh and half of the posters in these forums are smarter than the moderators. *can't wait for instaban cos moderators didn't like what I said* children.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: cheeshcat]
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Oh and totes didn't know racism wasn't a form of hate-speak? These forums are a safe haven for egomaniacs.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: cheeshcat]
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can't wait for instaban cos moderators didn't like what I said
Do you have trouble with reading comprehension?
"Cos" moderators didn't like what you said or cos you broke the rules codified at 3rd grade reading level and broken by the banned member dozens of times after dozens of prior warnings and bans over months and years? Maybe you can tell me next about free speech or some such bullshit as if this is a country instead of a private web site.
Sometimes I actually enjoy it when a noob ignorant of an extensive back-story shows up here indignant that the owners would have the audacity to set and enforce rules as they see fit. But not today.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Diploid]
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nah I don't have a problem with reading comprehension but thanks for the personal attack. I should ban you.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: cheeshcat]
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What personal attack?
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Diploid]
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: cheeshcat]
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That's just a simple question. So you can't point to any personal attack. That's what I thought.
This thread has been derailed enough. Let's get back on topic. If you have anything else off-topic, PM me. Don't post it here.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Diploid]
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All I see is personal attack, personal attack & personal attack. Diploid no comprehendo
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Diploid]
#19258736 - 12/11/13 04:44 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Diploid said: My guess is he is now ignoring you. In any case, you can have his input when he gets back provided he follows the rules. Or if you like, I can move this to OTD and he can call you any name wants without consequences.
Was it against the rules? Sure seems like the OP didn't take it as a personalism or report it as such... For all we know , it seems like being called racist could have been synonymous to being called "awesome" to the OP. Is calling somebody awesome a personalism? Seems like if the OP has no problem, then it could be personal vendetta of the moderator.... or the rules should state "no calling people racist", that would be a small amendment.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: cheeshcat]
#19258801 - 12/11/13 05:26 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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cheeshcat said: I see WAY too much ego in here. Oh and half of the posters in these forums are smarter than the moderators. *can't wait for instaban cos moderators didn't like what I said* children.
Follow the forum rules = no ban every time. Is this difficult for you to understand?
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: CosmicJoke]
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Diploid said: My guess is he is now ignoring you. In any case, you can have his input when he gets back provided he follows the rules. Or if you like, I can move this to OTD and he can call you any name wants without consequences.
Was it against the rules? Sure seems like the OP didn't take it as a personalism or report it as such... For all we know , it seems like being called racist could have been synonymous to being called "awesome" to the OP. Is calling somebody awesome a personalism? Seems like if the OP has no problem, then it could be personal vendetta of the moderator.... or the rules should state "no calling people racist", that would be a small amendment.
It's a personalism dude. Read the forum rules and it will become clear what is allowed. Really you should know this stuff. It applies to everyone. I've been banned for them that's for sure. It has nothing to do with someone perceiving a slight or not.
And consider that maybe the bias is on your end in favor of certain posters. I don't hear you complaining about all other bans here.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Icelander]
#19258853 - 12/11/13 05:59 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Icelander said: It's a personalism dude. Read the forum rules and it will become clear what is allowed. Really you should know this stuff. It applies to everyone. I've been banned for them that's for sure. It has nothing to do with someone perceiving a slight or not.
I have read them, and there's all but one easily quotable paragraph:
"4) Avoid malicious personalisms. We're all human and nobody expects a completely sterile discussion, but please try to keep to the topic, and leave the folks you're talking to personally out of the discussion. A certain level of personal banter is in the grey area while getting to know your fellow posters over time, but keep it well-intentioned and keep it ON-TOPIC. What constitutes malice is left up to the moderator's discretion; if you have any questions, complaints or suggestions please notify a moderator."
Here is a snippet of the post MtG responded to:
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I am considered racist by todays standards, but let me let you in on my thought process, because you are way off. I don't see a black person and think "goddamn nigger". doesn't happen that way. I see a persons demeanor,attitude,style/aesthetic choices and the way they speak and add that all up and THEN see that they are black and say "oh, thats the reason, they never learned how to not be a nigger".
What is the topic? Did SneezingPenis not make himself and his thought processes the topic, and did he not self proclaim himself as a racist by today's standards? Did MtG say anything other than he has nothing more to say to a racist? The OP didn't seem to take it in offense or report it. Clearly it's up to the moderator's discretion, and Diploid used his discretion. That's all there is to it.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: CosmicJoke]
#19258878 - 12/11/13 06:25 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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No he did not proclaim himself a racist, Marko's did. Read what he said again. He said he was "considered" a racist by today's standards. He himself does not consider himself one.
How do you know who reported it or if he took offense btw?
And as the mod pointed out Marko's has a history of personalisms and so his actions seem proper to me.
Just because someone starts a thread does not mean it's about them personally.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Icelander]
#19258902 - 12/11/13 06:42 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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SneezingPenis said: hey don't have the time to reply to all the posts, but if i helps, I would rather Markos be in this discussion. please do not ban him, I want to hear his input on this. Replies coming in about 9 hours.
This is my reason for doubting that the OP reported him or took offense.
MtG might have a history of warnings and bans due to personalisms that were received all from one particular mod that had it in for him as far as I know, or his friends, that's not evidence without specifics .
But back to the topic, the term "nigger" is a contemptuous term used against black / dark skinned people. It's not a term reserved for some people with sagging pants that drive Impalas or buy 40s with penny wrappers (of which I'm sure a reasonable statistic of other races could apply). It's a contemptuous term used against black /dark skinned people. That's why his remark is seen as uniformly racist.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: CosmicJoke]
#19258919 - 12/11/13 06:52 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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How do you know a mod has it in for Marko's??? Frankly for years here there basically, until recently, has been one Mod doing all the moderating. And how do you know all his warnings and bans came from one moderator? You seem to be taking a lot of liberties based on your personal beliefs.
Again I think the bias may be yours.
I use the term nigger at times but do not mean it against black people in general but against a type of behavior exhibited by certain black people.
But you are wasting our time with this. Even if a statement is racist you are directed to condemn the statement rather than the person. Why is this so difficult for you to understand. If we start calling each other names then the next step is OTD or something similar.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Icelander]
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I don't know, I suggested that was not evidence, for as for all I knew it could be the case.
It would be my preference that the a person would believe they had been attacked, reported it to a moderator, at which point the moderator used their discretion. Otherwise, who is to say a name was called or a person had been condemned? That's a matter of discretion, for all we know the OP could have thought "racist" was synonymous with awesome. That was my point. What's so difficult about that to understand?
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: CosmicJoke]
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And it could be that your position is totally full of shit. The fact remains it was a personalism. Marko's knows this or should know it from years of posting here and previous warnings. He could have avoided all of it by wording his objections against the post rather than a specific person. It was his call and he made it. It bit him in the ass. So be it.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said: And it could be that your position is totally full of shit. The fact remains it was a personalism. Marko's knows this or should know it from years of posting here and previous warnings. He could have avoided all of it by wording his objections against the post rather than a specific person. It was his call and he made it. It bit him in the ass. So be it.
Are you certain? The only fact as I see it is that somebody used their discretion and decided it was a personal attack. It seemed to me that the OP might concur that all statements about his character made by MtG were true.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: CosmicJoke]
#19259002 - 12/11/13 07:34 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Doesn't matter if they are true or not or if he agrees that they are or not. I feel like I'm talking to a brick wall. It's a fucking personalism and against forum guidelines. And btw moderators rarely from what I hear act on a post unless someone flags it. So unless you have the inside info that this moderator did it out of a personal bias on his own then all you are doing is stirring up conflict for your own entertainment. Or you have a personal bias in favor of Marko's. (my guess )
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#19259029 - 12/11/13 07:49 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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SneezingPenis said: I want to make a tv show where you find the most adamantly "unracist" person and have them take a few graveyard shifts at a 7-11 in detroit and see when and how often they put their hand on the shotgun under the cash register...
Perhaps it is not the color/race of the person that causes them to rob a 7-11, but their socioeconomic status and/or cultural mores. Perhaps in certain regions, color/race and socioeconomic status + cultural mores are more correlated than in other regions?
Perhaps you are simplifying the situation far too much to justify your racism?
yes! i like where you are going with this.
so if someone doesn't feel safe around a person who is black, who just so happens to fit the stereotype of a felon, are they being racist, or merely cautious?
what I am saying is- how can you tell if a person is racist when there are so many other factors that are "forgivable" to react to?
Humans have something called "statistical commonsense" when assessing a situation, some people like to call this instinct "racism", but it's a basic survival skill at the end of the day, and everyone uses it.
Blacks are more likely to commit any type of violent criminal act, why should my rational thought process eliminate this useful information?
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Icelander]
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I've defended hTx in a thread of yours when you reported him when you accused him of a personalism (I can dig up the posts if you'd like), and he annoys me to no end .
If MtG had told the OP to get fucked and die in a fire, I wouldn't be in disagreement, but as far as I can tell he might just have been telling an undisputed truth (between the two parties in contention).
To me what has transpired is like a lame arbitration based court reality tv show where the two parties don't have a problem with each other that merits a judge, yet the judge wants a piece of action.

Edited: I misstated that Ice reported hTx.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: CosmicJoke]
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I reported him? Did I say that somewhere? (I actually don't remember but you better be telling the truth) So yeah lets see that thread.
Again you are assuming that Diploid is doing this for completely personal reasons. You don't know that AT ALL and so the problem here is YOU. You have a bias and you need to pretend you know things you don't to justify that bias in your mind. (no matter what you are claiming imo)
And if they didn't have a problem with each other why are they in court?
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Icelander]
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The south isn't racist.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: CosmicJoke]
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The only fact as I see it is that somebody used their discretion and decided it was a personal attack.
That's because you are not privy to the back-story with Markos which includes dozens of informal warnings and 11 formal warnings and bans from five separate moderators, most recently for again calling people names which lead to a 21 day day ban recently issued by another moderator.
If not for Markos' long rap sheet of constant rule breaking he probably wouldn't have even been warned, let alone banned. The vast majority of the membership here follows the rules and Markos gets far too many slides. He knows this which is why he continues to misbehave.
BTW, he was banned for a tiny fraction of the time recommended by the automated system which takes his disciplinary history into account. Had I not overridden the system-assigned ban duration, he would not be back for a VERY long time. Fortunately for him, I'm a soft touch.
Can we please get back on-topic now? This is an interesting topic and doesn't merit being derailed by childish name calling and debate about bans. If you take issue with the ban, you can PM me or open a support ticket.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Diploid]
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Diploid said: The person holding up the line at the convenience store scratching off lottery tickets and not moving, pants around his thighs and then buys 2 blount wraps with nickels and pennies and then hops in his 1998 maroon impala with new rims and shaking the windows with shitty bass from a shitty rap song... yeah, that is when people like me just shake their head and think "what a fuckin nigger".
I'm curious. If you see a white guy who is slurring his words at the convenience store dressed in pajamas with a scraggly beard, dirty "wife beater" shirt, and flip-flops buying a single bottle of beer and a pack of cigarettes with nickles and pennies who then hops into his 1998 rusty Celica with a broken radio and a cracked windshield and one of those tiny spare tires on the car, do you shake your head and think "fucking white trailer trash"?
No, i think that guy would probably be fun to hang out with.
but your question raises a good point... why else, other than race, would i react to those similar situations differently? There are really only 2 ways to become racist. 1) you were indoctrinated/raised to believe that black people are scum or 2) you were conditioned to think that way via the majority of experiences you have had in dealing with black people were negative.
I am contemptuous of the black guy in scenario 1 because he fits the bill of an amalgamation of shitty experiences. I am jovial towards the white guy in scenario 2 because he doesn't fit the bill of an amalgamation of shitty experiences. my previous exposures to people that are reflected in the demographics of the people in the 2 scenarios vary greatly, which in turn has shaped my reaction or thoughts regarding those 2 scenarios.
If every time you sat next to a fat person on a bus and it was miserable because they stank, you would try to avoid being around fat people in confined spaces as a personal rule of thumb. You might even go one further and claim that most fat people stink and it sucks having to sit next to them.
this isn't devious logic or advanced psychology here...
Like someone has said earlier, it is a survival mechanism to act a certain way based on previous experiences, why should I feel ashamed of that? if anything, black people should be mad at other black people for giving credence to racism, not shaming people by calling them racists for hesitating to turn the cheek for a 9th and 10th time.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Diploid]
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Diploid said: The only fact as I see it is that somebody used their discretion and decided it was a personal attack.
That's because you are not privy to the back-story with Markos which includes dozens of informal warnings and 11 formal warnings and bans from five separate moderators, most recently for again calling people names which lead to a 21 day day ban recently issued by another moderator.
If not for Markos' long rap sheet of constant rule breaking he probably wouldn't have even been warned, let alone banned. The vast majority of the membership here follows the rules and Markos gets far too many slides. He knows this which is why he continues to misbehave.
BTW, he was banned for a tiny fraction of the time recommended by the automated system which takes his disciplinary history into account. Had I not overridden the system-assigned ban duration, he would not be back for a VERY long time. Fortunately for him, I'm a soft-touch.
Can we please get back on-topic now? This is an interesting topic and doesn't merit being derailed by childish name calling and debate about bans. If you take issue with the ban, you can PM me or open a support ticket.
Considering how I'm viewed by a lot of folk at the shroomery I should have such an impressive rap sheet. But I don't even come close.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: CosmicJoke]
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But back to the topic, the term "nigger" is a contemptuous term used against black / dark skinned people. It's not a term reserved for some people with sagging pants that drive Impalas or buy 40s with penny wrappers (of which I'm sure a reasonable statistic of other races could apply). It's a contemptuous term used against black /dark skinned people. That's why his remark is seen as uniformly racist.
I was recently banned from a forum for using the word "niggardly". that word has zero etymological ties to the word "nigger". Even though this was made abundantly clear and even accepted as fact by the moderators, I was banned because it upset a black person.
nigger is a very interesting word IMO. There are a slew of other racial epithets and contemptuous terms, but the word nigger is like Schedule 1, or defcon 5, while all the others are just varying degrees of "bad". It goes so far as to somehow justify violence. I would like to take a poll and see how many people think it is ok for someone to get punched for calling a black person a nigger. I am willing to bet that an overwhelming majority of people would say that physical violence is a justifiable act in the face of being called a name. I would also bet that no other word would illicit half as many votes for "yes" even though they would mean the exact same thing. Kike? cunt? bitch? faggot? wetback? beaner? slope? how about even non racial slurs? Fuck you? suck my dick? asshole? shithead? retard? mungo?
how does a word like "nigger" break records and sit alone at the top in its own category for defaming, cruelty, and insensitivity? how has that word become so incredibly powerful? words only have the power that you give them, and black people (and the majority of americans for that matter) have the most visceral response to that word. MtG might have been onto something: maybe it is primal and basal when we instinctually retaliate with the first thing that comes to our mind that can cut and do the most damage. I doubt there is a person out there who has been cut off by a back person in traffic and didn't think or mutter "fuckin nigger".
we have even incorporated it into our laws. if you stab a black person and don't say anything, you just get plain old murder 2. if you stab a black person and say "nigger" you get a much worse sentence under hate crime laws. how much sense does that make?
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: SneezingPenis]
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would you call someone a homophobe for using the word "faggot"? would you call someone a racist for using the word "cracker" or "white trash"? would you call someone a nymphomaniac/satyriasis for using the word "fuck"? would you call someone a coprophiliac for using the word "shit"?
why is using the word "nigger" the only word that unconditionally justifies someone being called/labelled a racist?
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#19259900 - 12/11/13 12:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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It's because the niggers don't like it. I'm kidding! Sort of. Really though, Oprah fucking whatever she is big money celebrity, recently claimed people didn't like Obama because he is black. Not because he is only half black. I mean, since when did half black become black? His mom was white. But he could never be half white.
And now, the Redskins should change their name. It's a football team. Cmon'.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Diploid]
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Diploid said: The only fact as I see it is that somebody used their discretion and decided it was a personal attack.
That's because you are not privy to the back-story with Markos which includes dozens of informal warnings and 11 formal warnings and bans from five separate moderators, most recently for again calling people names which lead to a 21 day day ban recently issued by another moderator.
If not for Markos' long rap sheet of constant rule breaking he probably wouldn't have even been warned, let alone banned. The vast majority of the membership here follows the rules and Markos gets far too many slides. He knows this which is why he continues to misbehave.
BTW, he was banned for a tiny fraction of the time recommended by the automated system which takes his disciplinary history into account. Had I not overridden the system-assigned ban duration, he would not be back for a VERY long time. Fortunately for him, I'm a soft-touch.
Can we please get back on-topic now? This is an interesting topic and doesn't merit being derailed by childish name calling and debate about bans. If you take issue with the ban, you can PM me or open a support ticket.
How do I open up a support ticket, officer?
Ha ha. Kidding, of course. You've been mostly quiet lately, are you doing OK?
Honestly a little worried about you when you get too quiet like this.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: LunarEclipse]
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the derisive videos actually bring up a point.
that is david allen coe's x-rated album. mostly just gross songs about fingerbanging and rim jobs, but it has a liberal use of the word nigger in it.
still to this day he gets a lot of flack for it, but his drummer is black and he doesn't seem to mind playing the songs.
if rappers can use it, why is it not "art" to some degree when he uses it? at the very least, it is funny as shit because he kind of makes fun of himself the entire time.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: SneezingPenis]
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But back to the topic, the term "nigger" is a contemptuous term used against black / dark skinned people. It's not a term reserved for some people with sagging pants that drive Impalas or buy 40s with penny wrappers (of which I'm sure a reasonable statistic of other races could apply). It's a contemptuous term used against black /dark skinned people. That's why his remark is seen as uniformly racist.
I was recently banned from a forum for using the word "niggardly". that word has zero etymological ties to the word "nigger". Even though this was made abundantly clear and even accepted as fact by the moderators, I was banned because it upset a black person.
nigger is a very interesting word IMO. There are a slew of other racial epithets and contemptuous terms, but the word nigger is like Schedule 1, or defcon 5, while all the others are just varying degrees of "bad". It goes so far as to somehow justify violence. I would like to take a poll and see how many people think it is ok for someone to get punched for calling a black person a nigger. I am willing to bet that an overwhelming majority of people would say that physical violence is a justifiable act in the face of being called a name. I would also bet that no other word would illicit half as many votes for "yes" even though they would mean the exact same thing. Kike? cunt? bitch? faggot? wetback? beaner? slope? how about even non racial slurs? Fuck you? suck my dick? asshole? shithead? retard? mungo?
how does a word like "nigger" break records and sit alone at the top in its own category for defaming, cruelty, and insensitivity? how has that word become so incredibly powerful? words only have the power that you give them, and black people (and the majority of americans for that matter) have the most visceral response to that word. MtG might have been onto something: maybe it is primal and basal when we instinctually retaliate with the first thing that comes to our mind that can cut and do the most damage. I doubt there is a person out there who has been cut off by a back person in traffic and didn't think or mutter "fuckin nigger".
we have even incorporated it into our laws. if you stab a black person and don't say anything, you just get plain old murder 2. if you stab a black person and say "nigger" you get a much worse sentence under hate crime laws. how much sense does that make?
Oh, perhaps the fact that the word was used disparagingly against a race of people, while they were unjustly enslaved in the United States for a good 250 years, and had to fight for every civil liberty they presently have, gives it some great power. As far as hate crime laws in the United States go, I'm pretty sure they began with the purpose of targeting racially motivated crimes committed by the KKK, and their intent today is to prevent bias related crimes against any social group of people. If a gay couple is walking across a bridge and are attacked and beaten while being called homophobic slurs, it's probably safe to assume they were targeted because they were gay. Now all gay people in that city feel less safe walking the street, because it wasn't just anyone who was targeted, it was specifically gay people. You're honestly arguing against hate crimes now? (don't take that personally, I would never call you brain damaged after all )
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SneezingPenis said: would you call someone a homophobe for using the word "faggot"? would you call someone a racist for using the word "cracker" or "white trash"? would you call someone a nymphomaniac/satyriasis for using the word "fuck"? would you call someone a coprophiliac for using the word "shit"?
why is using the word "nigger" the only word that unconditionally justifies someone being called/labelled a racist?
Yes, yes, no, no. Got anymore questions? Keep em comin'.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: CosmicJoke] 1
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You honestly think it's that cut and dry?
A crime is a crime, your motivation should not be used to increase penalties arbitrarily. Even if I were to scream "I hate fags" out loud as I committed a crime against a homosexual. How could anyone possibly know the real motivation for my actions?
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Juicin]
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Juicin said: You honestly think it's that cut and dry?
A crime is a crime, your motivation should not be used to increase penalties arbitrarily. Even if I were to scream "I hate fags" out loud as I committed a crime against a homosexual. How could anyone possibly know the real motivation for my actions?
Arbitrarily? The penalties are increased for very specific reasons that are outlined in our laws. Nobody ever knows with absolute certainty what somebody's motivations are, ultimately a jury must use their discretion when rendering an impartial verdict.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Juicin]
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Juicin said: You honestly think it's that cut and dry?
A crime is a crime, your motivation should not be used to increase penalties arbitrarily. Even if I were to scream "I hate fags" out loud as I committed a crime against a homosexual. How could anyone possibly know the real motivation for my actions?
Just as there are aggravating factors to consider when meting out punishment, there are also mitigating factors.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: CosmicJoke]
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You could never prove what's in my or anyone elses head. It's just a charge that get's slapped on under a very specific set of circumstances.
I would call that arbitrary
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: LunarEclipse]
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Well I guess that's true, I kind of fucked up my own argument there. But that would be the same charge, higher penalties. So there is a big distinction
But a hate crime makes it a whole new standard to prove, and it's impossible beyond reasonable doubt most of the time. And should be handled at sentencing
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Juicin]
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Juicin said: Well I guess that's true, I kind of fucked up my own argument there. But that would be the same charge, higher penalties. So there is a big distinction
But a hate crime makes it a whole new standard to prove, and it's impossible beyond reasonable doubt most of the time. And should be handled at sentencing
I'm not in favor of hate crime legislation, and agree that sentencing is the time to consider aggravating and mitigating circumstances. For instance, if a guy robbed a gay guy and beat his little faggot ass would that be worse than him scamming some little old lady out of her life savings but had befriended her? Personally I see more hate in the robbing of the little old lady while being a complete phony. The little faggot will get his life back, that poor old lady is a stressed out basket case. She blew her life savings on greed, but didn't even know she was being greedy because "all her friends" were doing it.
But these white collar thieves often get off light because it as a property crime.
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Juicin said: You could never prove what's in my or anyone elses head. It's just a charge that get's slapped on under a very specific set of circumstances.
I would call that arbitrary
I would say arbitrary would be a punishment doled out by a personal whim of a judge who disliked you or having to spin a wheel to determine your punishment. These are specific crimes with specific punishments. What it seems you're saying is that you dislike liability that is based on one's motive, after all, "a crime is a crime". Sounds a bit more 'cut and dry' to me.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: CosmicJoke]
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So rich people should be held to accountable for fraudulent exchanges with them and poor ignorant people?
Where do you draw the line. How do you prove it? The answer for our justice system is cut and dry. There is no such thing as a "hate crime"
It's an arbitrary charge
Just because a crime doesn't come with an obvious motivation doesn't mean we should start throwing on charges that we can't reasonably prove
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Juicin]
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Juicin said: So rich people should be held to accountable for fraudulent exchanges with them and poor ignorant people?
What? Elaborate? As far as I can tell, that came out of nowhere. I don't know what you're talking about, I'd need specifics.
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Where do you draw the line. How do you prove it? The answer for our justice system is cut and dry. There is no such thing as a "hate crime"
It's an arbitrary charge
Just because a crime doesn't come with an obvious motivation doesn't mean we should start throwing on charges that we can't reasonably prove
Whose justice system, the U.S.? I think the laws vary by state as well, in many hate crime charges only apply to specific offenses (assault, battery). Many criminal offenses, including possession of a controlled substance with the intent to deliver, aggravated battery or assault on a police officer, or murder in the first degree, require additional intent elements to be proved beyond a reasonable doubt. This is not unique to hate crime statutes. There are additional evidentiary burdens to prove such crimes have been committed, and they are harder to prosecute, but sometimes they successfully are. I'm glad about this, but then the likelihood of me committing a violent crime is absolutely nil. I say fuck the violent with everything we can use against them.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: CosmicJoke]
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My point was that if a crime has an obvious motivation (profit) all other motivations are put aside. You could say that targeting poor people to defraud them is a hate crime. I have never heard of hate fraud tho. Or picking on predominately black or latino customers. But you would never say that even tho they were trying to defraud minority customers. It was for cash so it's not racist.
The only "hate crimes" are ones that have no obvious motive. So we tag it with one like "hate crime". When really there is a whole clusterfuck of reasons that a person commit does something that would otherwise seem irrational.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Juicin]
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I thought that might have been what you were implying, which is why I stated:
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many hate crime charges only apply to specific offenses (assault, battery)
it does vary by state, but i'm not honestly not sure if defrauding poor people could be considered a hate crime somewhere. not where i live, but it's a big world
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: CosmicJoke]
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For example before the housing bubble popped lenders were targeting Latinos and African American customers and defrauding them by giving them worse rates than they qualified for, sub prime mortgages is the term i think. For what reasons who knows, maybe they're easy marks. But no one asks because it was for profit, thus not a hate crime. Even though people were clearly actively seeking out minorities to defraud. Why wouldn't you lay a hate crime on some one who is profiling their customers based on race then committing fraud? I don't see the difference between that and charging some one with a hate crime because they were part of a specific social group.
There is no reason not to apply this to all crimes, and just start tacking it on everywhere. If "don't fuck with minorities" needs to be a message. But after creating the largest prison industrial complex on the planet, I think we can safely say draconian sentencing is not the answer to our woes. Certainly not making up arbitrary charges to tack on time
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Juicin]
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The purpose of the sentence-enhancing feature is to attach more serious penalties to violent bias-motivated crimes in an effort to demonstrate the seriousness with which we, as a society, address hate violence.
Hate crimes laws punish violent acts, not beliefs or thoughts, even violent thoughts. Hate crime statutes do not punish, nor prohibit in any way, name-calling, verbal abuse or expressions of hatred toward any group even if such statements amount to hate speech. It is only when the perpetrator crosses the line from speech to violent criminal action that hate crime laws might come into effect.
Personally, I'd be quite happy to see reform on 'draconian' laws that imprison victimless drug offenders. However, I'm quite happy to keep violent thugs away far away from me, by any means possible .
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: CosmicJoke]
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No if they were punishing a violent act they wouldn't need to tack "hate" onto it. We already have charges for violent crimes, making it a "hate crime" implies that you have done more than commit a violent crime. Otherwise why the separate charge?
We have some extremely harsh sentencing for all crimes, drug laws included. Life in prison in most places is considered cruel and we hand it out like candy.
Such a slippery slope to go down for no reason.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Juicin]
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Juicin said: So rich people should be held to accountable for fraudulent exchanges with them and poor ignorant people?
Where do you draw the line. How do you prove it? The answer for our justice system is cut and dry. There is no such thing as a "hate crime"
It's an arbitrary charge
Just because a crime doesn't come with an obvious motivation doesn't mean we should start throwing on charges that we can't reasonably prove
Damn man something we can actually agree on. Kudos
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Juicin]
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Juicin said: No if they were punishing a violent act they wouldn't need to tack "hate" onto it. We already have charges for violent crimes, making it a "hate crime" implies that you have done more than commit a violent crime. Otherwise why the separate charge?
We have some extremely harsh sentencing for all crimes,
Of course they're punishing a violent act, I described it as a sentence-enhancing feature to violent crimes, which is why defrauding is not applicable. Higher-level violent felonies already have serious consequences regardless of the offender’s motivation. A murder based on the victim’s race, for example, while certainly a hate crime, would likely not be charged as a hate crime under a penalty-enhancement statute. The criminal penalties for murder are already the most severe, so it would not make sense from a prosecutor’s perspective to also charge the perpetrator with lesser included penalties. This is primarily a charge tacked on to assault and batteries. In my city, in the last three years that I've lived here, the only time a hate crime has made the news is when thugs, who did not even know their victims, attacked their victims based on race or sexual orientation according to all evidence gathered. From every case I've witnessed, all of the thugs can get fucked as far as I'm concerned. I'm happy to see them locked up for as long as conceivably possible.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: CosmicJoke]
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How is some one who is picking people out because of their race any more dangerous than some one who commits the same crimes completely at random? It's an arbitrary charge used for headlines. And I'm no lawyer but I don't want a prosecutor trying to charge me with a thought crime.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Juicin]
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Juicin said: How is some one who is picking people out because of their race any more dangerous than some one who commits the same crimes completely at random? It's an arbitrary charge used for headlines. And I'm no lawyer but I don't want a prosecutor trying to charge me with a thought crime.
What? The person who commits a crime arbitrarily is equally dangerous to everyone. The person who commits a hate crime against a specific minority is more dangerous to that minority group, and may not be dangerous to everyone else. You can be damned certain that any minority group will pay attention to the headlines for that reason alone. If it was mere thought alone, I might concur with you about prosecution, but alas, it's a violent crime with specific features of thought that add up to a hate crime. I don't see this as a stepping stone.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: SneezingPenis]
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The south could never be any more racist than is perfectly natural. All stories are utter bullshit. The institutions perpetuate mountains of utter bullshit. Avalanches of bullshit buried all real perspective at the dawn printed words. Reality could only be something completely different. Don't waste any time looking at sensationalist shit, better to find culture that touches the soul and enjoy. Anything could happen tommorrow, what goes around comes around. If history repeats itself then there will be ethnic cleansing, pray for that singularity. Meanwhile get high or whatever. But might still be an activist. Who knows?
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: CosmicJoke]
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CosmicJoke said: The purpose of the sentence-enhancing feature is to attach more serious penalties to violent bias-motivated crimes in an effort to demonstrate the seriousness with which we, as a society, address hate violence.
Hate crimes laws punish violent acts, not beliefs or thoughts, even violent thoughts. Hate crime statutes do not punish, nor prohibit in any way, name-calling, verbal abuse or expressions of hatred toward any group even if such statements amount to hate speech. It is only when the perpetrator crosses the line from speech to violent criminal action that hate crime laws might come into effect.
Personally, I'd be quite happy to see reform on 'draconian' laws that imprison victimless drug offenders. However, I'm quite happy to keep violent thugs away far away from me, by any means possible .
It's like 3 strikes and you're out, it only serves to add arbitrary time to crime. There are people looking at 25 years for stealing a bicycle because it would be their third strike.
As for victimless drug offenders, some at least steal continuously to support their habits. This is an ongoing problem in my area with meth in particular. Personally I hate tweekers, does that make me a tweeker "racist"?
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Yeah, let's hope it's us white people getting washed away this time, eh? That would be fun.
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Yeah, let's hope it's us white people getting washed away this time, eh? That would be fun.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: SneezingPenis]
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My existence is in direct opposition to every argument you've made in this thread Sneezing. I'm no hypnotized multiculturalist. I know stereotypes exist for a reason. I try to judge every group on it's real merits.
I also put my money where my mouth is. I, a liberal white dude, graduated from an all black high school in Mobile, AL, one of the most segregated cities left in the country. For two years I went to classes, pep rallies and dances with only like 12 non-black students in the entire high school.
I found them to be agreeable, funny, warm people. These were not assimilated proper black people either. They flipped out over fried chicken, like embarrassingly. They were comically afraid of ghosts, and weren't afraid to get raunchy while dancing. But there were all types of people just like in any population. Even if some of them had one or two stereotypical traits they were all unique individuals. There were all levels of every talent or intelligence you could imagine.
Without going to school with them, my contact with white people was kind of limited. The ones I did meet though were invariably ignorant, hateful, and dismissive of black people but I could never figure out a good reason why. The few neutral ones at my school that hadn't yet joined the white flight kept to their own little clique of mostly upperclassmen, a dying breed.
I have also lived in heavily Mexican areas in Texas and California, and heavily East Asian places in California, and I much prefer African Americans. They are like a unique American treasure of a culture. As others have said you can't judge a culture by it's worst members. There are some really vile, ignorant, chaotic white people out there. Have you ever seen Gummo?
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Mr Person]
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The ones I did meet though were invariably ignorant, hateful, and dismissive of black people but I could never figure out a good reason why.
Fear of the unknown most likely. I grew up in a half black school. Most of the blacks hated me because I was white but not all and some of the girls wanted to fuck me. I would have if it wouldn't have cost me my life.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Icelander]
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Well ah, whites have been getting washed for quite some time, someone is having fun. It's so cool for whites to be beaten down. Yay.
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haha. You think?
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Sleepwalker]
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I don't know what that link is stating. I been in the south tons of times and have found nothing but nice people. I am not black but I have been in the deep south with my black friends and other then a random asshole here and there (which is not just in the south)everyone seem to not give a fuck. I prefer the south more to the east coast
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Mr Person]
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Mr Person said: My existence is in direct opposition to every argument you've made in this thread Sneezing. I'm no hypnotized multiculturalist. I know stereotypes exist for a reason. I try to judge every group on it's real merits.
I also put my money where my mouth is. I, a liberal white dude, graduated from an all black high school in Mobile, AL, one of the most segregated cities left in the country. For two years I went to classes, pep rallies and dances with only like 12 non-black students in the entire high school.
I found them to be agreeable, funny, warm people. These were not assimilated proper black people either. They flipped out over fried chicken, like embarrassingly. They were comically afraid of ghosts, and weren't afraid to get raunchy while dancing. But there were all types of people just like in any population. Even if some of them had one or two stereotypical traits they were all unique individuals. There were all levels of every talent or intelligence you could imagine.
Without going to school with them, my contact with white people was kind of limited. The ones I did meet though were invariably ignorant, hateful, and dismissive of black people but I could never figure out a good reason why. The few neutral ones at my school that hadn't yet joined the white flight kept to their own little clique of mostly upperclassmen, a dying breed.
I have also lived in heavily Mexican areas in Texas and California, and heavily East Asian places in California, and I much prefer African Americans. They are like a unique American treasure of a culture. As others have said you can't judge a culture by it's worst members. There are some really vile, ignorant, chaotic white people out there. Have you ever seen Gummo?

i figure one anecdotal story deserves another. I have a friend who used to be vehemently "anti-racist". he would get so incredibly angry if we used the word nigger around him. He would go out of his way to be nice to black people, at some times almost uncomfortably so. he held on to that belief all the way through college at Duke. all the way up to the point in which he moved to Mobile, AL. He is now even more "racist" than I am. Mobile, AL has turned him racist.
btw, Gummo is a fictional movie, not a documentary. that is like me saying, have you ever seen CB4?
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: SneezingPenis]
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SneezingPenis said: btw, Gummo is a fictional movie, not a documentary. that is like me saying, have you ever seen CB4?
That's not strictly true...
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Wikipedia Korine cast the film almost entirely with local non-actors. Old friends were eager to help Korine, such as the two skinhead brothers, skateboarder Mark Gonzales, and little person Bryant Krenshaw.
The film was shot in some of Nashville's poorest neighborhoods. Producer Cary Woods comments, "we're essentially seeing the kind of poverty that we're used to seeing in Third World countries when news crews are covering famines, [but] seeing that in the heart of America." One small home housed fifteen people and several thousand cockroaches. Bugs literally crawled up and down the walls. Korine comments, "we had to take out stuff to be able to put the camera in the room." At times, the crew rebelled against filming in such conditions and Korine was forced to purchase hazmat suits for them to wear. Korine and Escoffier, who thought this was offensive, "wore Speedos and flip-flops just to piss them off."
Korine encouraged improvisation and spontaneity. To achieve this, Korine had to establish a mode of trust. "If an actor is a crack smoker, let him go out between takes, smoke crack, and then come back and throw his refrigerator out the window! Let people feel they can do whatever they want with no consequence." Producer Scott Macaulay commented the improvisational methods yielded deep results for everyone involved. "For a lot of the non-actors, you sensed that it was a very emotional experience for them, and that they were tapping into something important." Korine adds, "I wanted to show what it was like to sniff glue. I didn't want to judge anybody. This is why I have very little interest in working with actors. [Non-actors] can give you what an actor can never give you: pieces of themselves."
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Sleepwalker]
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doesn't really belong as a point in this discussion. Wild and wonderful whites of west virginia would be a better movie to refer to anyway.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#19272370 - 12/13/13 08:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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- the people who like to tout how "unracist" they are, are generally the people who do not live in an area where black people pervade everyday life.
- it is easy to be a Jain behind a mosquito net....
- black culture is toxic, lazy, selfish and oblivious. It is when these traits of black culture are expressed by a black person that we think "stupid nigger".
- I want to make a tv show where you find the most adamantly "unracist" person and have them take a few graveyard shifts at a 7-11 in detroit and see when and how often they put their hand on the shotgun under the cash register...
- I am contemptuous of the black guy in scenario 1 because he fits the bill of an amalgamation of shitty experiences.
- I would like to take a poll and see how many people think it is ok for someone to get punched for calling a black person a nigger. I am willing to bet that an overwhelming majority of people would say that physical violence is a justifiable act in the face of being called a name. I would also bet that no other word would illicit half as many votes for "yes" even though they would mean the exact same thing.
When your entire argument is speculation, what other evidence can I give but anecdotal? At least I had photographic proof of mine.
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well it isn't like racism is some objective science.
I also don't think high school is really part of the point. when i was in high school i wasn't "racist". it is when you own property and have black people devalue your neighborhood with poor upkeep of the standards the community has set forth. when you are a kid in high school shit like that doesn't even cross your mind, you are just glad the token black guy showed up to your kegger.
in high school, black people are cool because they perfectly fit the adolescent mind-set: hip hop music, being oblivious and loud, good at sports and having nice clothes is all that matters. In general, white people grow out of that where as I don't see great numbers of black people really progressing past that point.
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SneezingPenis said: well it isn't like racism is some objective science.
I also don't think high school is really part of the point. when i was in high school i wasn't "racist". it is when you own property and have black people devalue your neighborhood with poor upkeep of the standards the community has set forth. when you are a kid in high school shit like that doesn't even cross your mind, you are just glad the token black guy showed up to your kegger.
in high school, black people are cool because they perfectly fit the adolescent mind-set: hip hop music, being oblivious and loud, good at sports and having nice clothes is all that matters. In general, white people grow out of that where as I don't see great numbers of black people really progressing past that point.
You're overgeneralizing. I did not worship black culture or materialism or athletics in high school. I had piercings and listened to shit like Siouxsie and the Banshees. My existence proves you theory wrong since you apply it to all white people. Of course if you were to start saying "some white people" and "some black people" your whole argument would kind of break down huh?
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Mr Person]
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like i have said before, my problem isn't with black people really, it is with black culture. just so happens that black culture most often expresses itself via black people.
it is a very simple concept. I see someone who is waving the flag of black culture with their attire, mannerisms, and vernacular and I don't wait around to be proven right about their possible niggerdom. I see bill cosby walking down the street talking about pudding and i don't worry about having to be privy to some shitty act of niggerdom.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: SneezingPenis]
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SneezingPenis said: like i have said before, my problem isn't with black people really, it is with black culture. just so happens that black culture most often expresses itself via black people.
it is a very simple concept. I see someone who is waving the flag of black culture with their attire, mannerisms, and vernacular and I don't wait around to be proven right about their possible niggerdom. I see bill cosby walking down the street talking about pudding and i don't worry about having to be privy to some shitty act of niggerdom.
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"Murder one inborn into your every cell It's in your blood and you can't shake it Because you were bred to take it Next stop annihilation They bred the hate right in your fuckin' bones
Whoa oh oh Hate breeders Whoa oh oh"
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where the fuck are all you white niggers from? don't tell me the south
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usulpsychonaut said: Well ah, whites have been getting washed for quite some time
haha. You think?
Just look a little bit harder at history. 99% of white have been as beaten down as everyone else since the dawn of time. This white privilege bullshit is coming from that mass media. I just not dumb enough to even pay any mind to any tv, news papers or radios any more. I have never once in my life received a single privilege for being white. I know this is a fact, it was happening to me. Wealthy people keep the poor down and these days one method they use to keep the poor down is to bleat on endlessly about race. My opinion of all people who buy this shit... fucking morons, this includes Markthegnostic. It was not me who is the most un-evolved and primitive as I see through their lies. Allot of very articulate people are still just fucking morons cause they watched a little too much tele or just swallowed all too much establishment crap at university.
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This is pretty cool. Might have to look her up.
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usulpsychonaut said: Well ah, whites have been getting washed for quite some time
haha. You think?
Just look a little bit harder at history. 99% of white have been as beaten down as everyone else since the dawn of time. This white privilege bullshit is coming from that mass media. I just not dumb enough to even pay any mind to any tv, news papers or radios any more. I have never once in my life received a single privilege for being white. I know this is a fact, it was happening to me. Wealthy people keep the poor down and these days one method they use to keep the poor down is to bleat on endlessly about race. My opinion of all people who buy this shit... fucking morons, this includes Markthegnostic. It was not me who is the most un-evolved and primitive as I see through their lies. Allot of very articulate people are still just fucking morons cause they watched a little too much tele or just swallowed all too much establishment crap at university.
A well articulated response indeed.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: usulpsychonaut]
#19308720 - 12/21/13 04:53 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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You're a fucking kiwi and you're white. What the fuck do you know about being brown?
You think your "abos" got the same shot you do?
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Juicin]
#19309152 - 12/21/13 07:14 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm powerless, broke, got nothing mainstream going for me much like any brown boy. You've been duped. In fact, if the natives don't have benefits that I don't qualify for, where is all that treaty settlement millions going? only to the rich brown boys.
According to Jim Goad southern redneck bars are plenty multi-ethnic.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Icelander]
#19310386 - 12/22/13 02:36 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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usulpsychonaut said: Wealthy people keep the poor down and these days one method they use to keep the poor down is to bleat on endlessly about race. My opinion of all people who buy this shit... fucking morons
Oh really? Perhaps we should take a closer look at your own post history. You bring up race all the time dude.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#19310986 - 12/22/13 08:14 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Because it's in America.
So many black people here, so little problems with them.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Beanhead]
#19311731 - 12/22/13 12:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Beanhead said: Because it's in America.
So many black people here, so little problems with them.
exactly. I do not mean to insult all black people of the world. when i say black culture, I have meant American black culture. I should have clarified.
I have met plenty of black people from all over the other parts of the world and they despise black american culture as much as any vehement racist.
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usulpsychonaut said: Wealthy people keep the poor down and these days one method they use to keep the poor down is to bleat on endlessly about race. My opinion of all people who buy this shit... fucking morons
Oh really? Perhaps we should take a closer look at your own post history. You bring up race all the time dude.
I don't have a problem with racism. I have an evolved race consciousness that is not of the simplistic immature programming that you are stuck in. I can see how it really is and the fact is that throughout history a minority of white people have had the majority of white people in as much of a down and frequently even in a worse situation. There has not been, there is not and there never will be any white privilege for poor whites. These whites have never had and do not have any power. It is very difficult to change the programming.
In NZ the morons in control of education segregate whites from maoris, whites get taught to be ashamed of who they are and told to be completely submissive to all other races, maoris get told how whites oppress them and they should learn their culture and be proud and angry. You call this white privilege? White kids get told to be meek, maori kids get proud and angry, then send them out to play together. Don't smell like a conspiracy to cause white privilege to me.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Sleepwalker]
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first rule of enlightened club is you do not talk about enlightened club...
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So many black people here, so little problems with them.
exactly. I do not mean to insult all black people of the world. when i say black culture, I have meant American black culture. I should have clarified.
I have met plenty of black people from all over the other parts of the world and they despise black american culture as much as any vehement racist.
A few years back I worked with two extremely different black people in sales. One was a man named Al and American-born. His car broke down and I gave him a ride to work everyday for two weeks and we talked about all kinds of stuff. He was very proud of his hatred for Whitey (I am white) and his violent tendencies. After he got his car back, he ignored me and when I found him stealing from my account (long story), he declared that just because I did him a solid did not mean we were friends or that I would get any special treatment.
Later when I quit, he showed up at my door (he had never been there before nor did I give him my address) to threaten me not to talk about his larcenous activities.
The other black, was a lovely and sweet lady from Trinidad. She confided in me, "I don't get American blacks. Why are they so angry?" This woman was raised in abject poverty worse than any American ghetto and had a positive view on life.
At my health club I became good friends with an Ethiopian man of high character and good humor.
So yes, culture and not color.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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yeah, it really has nothing to do with skin color. I treat wiggers the same way. the more a person expresses american black culture, generally, the worse they are as a human being.
I am not racist, I am culturalist.
I think the american black culture is toxic, unprogressive and with the exception of very few things, completely useless and in fact a retarding force for everyone involved and having the misfortune of being in the vicinity of abject niggerdom.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#19312822 - 12/22/13 05:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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SneezingPenis said:I think the american black culture is toxic, unprogressive and with the exception of very few things, completely useless and in fact a retarding force for everyone involved and having the misfortune of being in the vicinity of abject niggerdom.
I believe many of the "racists" in the south are misidentified, living in georgia my whole life many people including myself share the same point of view as you. I would not consider myself a racist.
there is however rampant racism in the south especially in alabama and missisippi its extremely backwoods and the blacks and whites basically live seperate lives from eachother. I think a lot of people would be shockd if they actually saw the scale of racism still going on in the south
I remember buying a truck in Mississippi and the first words the guy said to me was the beginnings of an anti-black rant. thinking back on it I couldnt figure out why he would bring it up but I assume racism is a large part of his life. maybe he's unaware of productive black members of society who contribute far more than his bumpkin ass
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SneezingPenis said: I think the american black culture is toxic, unprogressive and with the exception of very few things, completely useless and in fact a retarding force for everyone involved and having the misfortune of being in the vicinity of abject niggerdom.
I find it odd that you don't worry how your wording might affect black people who do not fit into this category. Every time someone says "words are just words" a little black angel loses it's wings and plummets to earth.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Sleepwalker]
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That's funny. Black people don't go to heaven.
Ok, just kidding, there is no heaven.
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SneezingPenis said: first rule of enlightened club is you do not talk about enlightened club...
I am absolutely, most definitely not enlightened and never will be. I've got home brew, weed and a pile of records though. Including allot of those great entertainers.
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I think the american black culture is toxic, unprogressive and with the exception of very few things, completely useless and in fact a retarding force for everyone involved and having the misfortune of being in the vicinity of abject niggerdom.
Fixed that for you.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Mr Person] 1
#19314472 - 12/23/13 02:15 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#19314737 - 12/23/13 04:57 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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SneezingPenis said: That's funny. Black people don't go to heaven.
Ok, just kidding, there is no heaven.
They go to Florida instead.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Icelander]
#19335168 - 12/28/13 12:38 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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The original post is racist, why isn't this thread locked?
Instead a senior member is permanently banned for pointing it out, wtf?
Shroomery racist much?
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: teknix] 1
#19335393 - 12/28/13 02:33 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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So I guess calling someone an Atheist or an Agnostic should also be considered as an ad hominem?
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: teknix]
#19335864 - 12/28/13 07:31 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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teknix said: The original post is racist, why isn't this thread locked?
Instead a senior member is permanently banned for pointing it out, wtf?
Shroomery racist much?
Maybe because you didn't flag it. Ever think about that? But first explain exactly how it's racist.
also he's not permabanned.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: teknix]
#19336709 - 12/28/13 11:44 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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teknix said: So I guess calling someone an Atheist or an Agnostic should also be considered as an ad hominem?

what is the fundamental difference between calling someone a racist and calling someone a nigger?
I am not one of those people who bemoan the liberal use of "nigger" by black people and whine that "white people can't use it".
but is it not a racist concept to change the contextual meaning of a word based solely on a persons skin color? If it is ok for black people to say nigger, but not ok for white people... why is that not a racist concept?
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#19338160 - 12/28/13 06:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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That is an overgeneralization, or the fallacy of distribution, unless you can prove it.
Edited by teknix (12/28/13 06:37 PM)
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: teknix]
#19338264 - 12/28/13 06:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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teknix said: The original post is racist, why isn't this thread locked?
Instead a senior member is permanently banned for pointing it out, wtf?
Shroomery racist much?
Its not locked because
1. It presents a clear philosophical point for discussion and thus meets this forum's subject matter criteria. 2. Racism isn't against the rules per se in this forum. 3. I don't see any reason to lock it.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: johnm214]
#19338328 - 12/28/13 07:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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It's against forum rules, with exception of OTD.
There is no point or logical reasoning or evidence presented that anything the OP presented is in fact true.
It's only a claim that south is more racist, and being used as an excuse to practice racism.
All he's really claimed is that the south is dumber anyways.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: teknix]
#19338359 - 12/28/13 07:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Where does it say racism is against forum rules? Not saying you are wrong but I'd like to know for sure.
The OP did not seem racist to me. In high school I was beaten up a lot by blacks as I was a loner and an easy target. (school was half black). Overall I didn't like the blacks in my world at that time. Would that make me racist?
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Icelander]
#19338362 - 12/28/13 07:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've heard it said by mods.
I find it hard to believe that the op reported markos for saying he was racist.
That would be similar to me reporting someone for calling me agnostic.
Did you report it icelander? Or did a mod just take it on their own behalf to ban him?
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: teknix]
#19338376 - 12/28/13 07:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Mods say all sorts of incorrect things. Can you show any rules that state it?
Maybe the OP didn't report Marko's. Anyone can flag a post.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Icelander]
#19338380 - 12/28/13 07:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Did you do it?
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: teknix]
#19338392 - 12/28/13 07:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Can't remember actually. I could have. I flag many infractions here. I've flagged Marko's in the past. I usually don't keep track however. I'll bet I've flagged you before. 
Does it matter? Why?
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Icelander]
#19338395 - 12/28/13 07:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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OK, let me get this straight . . It is ok to make racist posts, but not ok to point out peoples ideologies?
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#19338423 - 12/28/13 07:35 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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No and you should know this by now. Personalism are against forum rules.
Had Marko's said, what you are saying is racist, or your post is racist there would be no infraction. This has maybe been pointed out to him a hundred times. He loses his cool and flames or makes personalisms. Maybe it's because he has a huge ego?
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Icelander]
#19338439 - 12/28/13 07:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I know that, define personalism.
I think it requires a derogatory remark, so then the personalism would be in the supposed victim, rather than a by-stander.
For all we know, it is a compliment to sneeze.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: teknix]
#19338468 - 12/28/13 07:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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That's up to the moderator to determine using the context of the discussion. You and I both are likely very sure Marko's was not paying a compliment. I know you like Marko's but he fucked up and he does it alot. Had I been a mod he'd be gone. He's done this way too often for a senior member and should know how to handle himself here. I'd do the same to Diploid if he was doing it.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Icelander]
#19338478 - 12/28/13 07:44 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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or the admins,
SP, do you dislike African Americans?
(Sif it needs to be asked, because he already claimed it)
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: teknix]
#19338518 - 12/28/13 07:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Are you drunk or high by any chance?
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Icelander]
#19338522 - 12/28/13 07:52 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nope.
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#19338543 - 12/28/13 07:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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What a shame. That would have made some sense.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Icelander]
#19338567 - 12/28/13 08:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah, I'm sure you would understand drunken gibberish better than rationality, like it takes a tard to understand a tard. Maybe I should get drunk so I can make some sense to you.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: teknix]
#19338574 - 12/28/13 08:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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OK start now. I'm already high so you'll have to play catch up.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: teknix]
#19339918 - 12/29/13 01:31 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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teknix said: or the admins,
SP, do you dislike African Americans?
(Sif it needs to be asked, because he already claimed it)
I don't dislike black people because they are black. I have stated that in length multiple times in this thread. I dislike most of what black culture represents and perpetuates. It just so happens that a majority of people who represent the toxic aspects of black culture are black people.
If you are asking me if there are any black people i don't like then the answer is yes. If you are asking me if I dislike all black people, then the answer is no.
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and I don't understand why you haven't answered my previous question. Picture a white guy saying the phrase "I hate those niggers". done it? good. Now picture a black guy saying "I hate those niggers".
Can you honestly tell me that without having any other facts presented that the two men in those scenarios have the same demeanor in your mind? or that they meant the exact same thing when they said that phrase?
How is it not a fundamentally racist concept that a white guy saying the word "nigger" has a completely different meaning than a black person saying the word "nigger". if the only difference is race, then it is a fundamentally racist concept to think that white people shouldn't say the word "nigger".
furthermore, do you think this way because you expect less from black people? like how it is ok for the retarded kid in class to shit his pants because he is retarded? and how white people "should know better" or "be above" that shit?
that idea right there is racist to the core. I would go as far to say that the white apologists are the true racists.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#19339969 - 12/29/13 01:48 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm pretty sure I gave a response with claiming it was a distribution fallacy.
Both are wrong, are you saying two wrongs make a right?
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#19340229 - 12/29/13 04:16 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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How is it not a fundamentally racist concept that a white guy saying the word "nigger" has a completely different meaning than a black person saying the word "nigger". if the only difference is race, then it is a fundamentally racist concept to think that white people shouldn't say the word "nigger".
Language between people cannot be simplified to meaning. There is :"name" quality ,a "nature" quality, context, and intended meaning.
"Name" is like dictionary definition.
"Nature" is like etymology
Your assumption is that the usage of an N bomb is always the same.
The modern, American etymology of nigger is that it comes from a word used to refer to slaves.
Niger (place) also has African etymological roots, that it means something closer to holy, or god. Awareness of this etymology has been popularized and used to try to de-stigmatize the word today.
word "Nigger" came from the Khemit term for 'GOD'
It is this awareness that makes it a liberating term, and term of endearment to break a stigmatic word.
People will be naturally aware if your reference of them as "niggers" does not come from a place of endearment. If your etymology is likely the American one, and not likely the older, African, endearing term.
Do you now understand why it is not racist sometimes? A word is not racist, intent is. There are plenty of people of all races who have used the word happily and safely in the presence of black people, as long as the context was right and the the audience was right.
The effect of all language is not measured by simply using it, but It's how you use it, where you use it, when you use it, why you use it, who did you use it to, etc. This goes for all words, not just an N bomb.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Roger Wilco]
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People will be naturally aware if your reference of them as "niggers" does not come from a place of endearment. If your etymology is likely the American one, and not likely the older, African, endearing term.
And that distinction is exactly why it is racist. When you discriminate between two races, you are being racist by definition. That's what the word MEANS. Even your own argument supports SP's assertion. Asserting a difference between two people based on nothing more than the color of their skin is exactly what racist means.
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How is it not a fundamentally racist concept that a white guy saying the word "nigger" has a completely different meaning than a black person saying the word "nigger". if the only difference is race, then it is a fundamentally racist concept to think that white people shouldn't say the word "nigger".
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#19340641 - 12/29/13 08:15 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't dislike black people because they are black. I have stated that in length multiple times in this thread. I dislike most of what black culture represents and perpetuates. It just so happens that a majority of people who represent the toxic aspects of black culture are black people.
If you are asking me if there are any black people i don't like then the answer is yes. If you are asking me if I dislike all black people, then the answer is no.
And how do you know that is what most of black culture represents and perpetuates? Are you really so cosmopolitan to know what black culture is like over the entire world, or is it just your little slice of southern economically depressed black culture and gangster rap pop culture that we're talking about?
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Diploid]
#19340692 - 12/29/13 08:43 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Diploid said: People will be naturally aware if your reference of them as "niggers" does not come from a place of endearment. If your etymology is likely the American one, and not likely the older, African, endearing term.
And that distinction is exactly why it is racist. When you discriminate between two races, you are being racist by definition. That's what the word MEANS. Even your own argument supports SP's assertion. Asserting a difference between two people based on nothing more than the color of their skin is exactly what racist means.
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How is it not a fundamentally racist concept that a white guy saying the word "nigger" has a completely different meaning than a black person saying the word "nigger". if the only difference is race, then it is a fundamentally racist concept to think that white people shouldn't say the word "nigger".
If that's the case I'm going to start using the word "nigger" to rebel against my black oppressors.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: dustinthewind13]
#19340733 - 12/29/13 09:09 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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sticks and stoners.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Icelander]
#19340747 - 12/29/13 09:20 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah. Totally.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: CosmicJoke]
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I don't dislike black people because they are black. I have stated that in length multiple times in this thread. I dislike most of what black culture represents and perpetuates. It just so happens that a majority of people who represent the toxic aspects of black culture are black people.
If you are asking me if there are any black people i don't like then the answer is yes. If you are asking me if I dislike all black people, then the answer is no.
And how do you know that is what most of black culture represents and perpetuates? Are you really so cosmopolitan to know what black culture is like over the entire world, or is it just your little slice of southern economically depressed black culture and gangster rap pop culture that we're talking about?
american black culture... jesus people, read the entire thread.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: teknix]
#19341295 - 12/29/13 12:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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teknix said: I'm pretty sure I gave a response with claiming it was a distribution fallacy.
Both are wrong, are you saying two wrongs make a right?
you will have to explain to me how that is a distribution fallacy.
and wrong or right in ethical terms have no place in this discussion, since we are not discussing whether or not the word nigger is wrong or right. I think you are wading in the middle of a fallacy of assumption.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Diploid]
#19341446 - 12/29/13 01:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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People will be naturally aware if your reference of them as "niggers" does not come from a place of endearment. If your etymology is likely the American one, and not likely the older, African, endearing term.
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And that distinction is exactly why it is racist. When you discriminate between two races, you are being racist by definition.
A distinction is not a discrimination. Black people really are darker than white people. That makes them distinct from each other. I don't know why you assume distinction equates discrimination. If that was true, we couldn't use words like white or black, tall short or wide or thin without being discriminatory.
Racism is a belief set. Race + ism it mean that a person has predetermined beliefs regarding race. Racism can also be an action, If it is action, those actions are based on predetermined notions about race. The understanding that nigger can mean slave,but also can mean god is what makes it different.
A word does not always carry the same meaning.
"Smoke a fag". If you say that to a gay guy, while pressin your tounge on your cheek to imitate a dick in your mouth. this would be offensive to a gay guy.
If you said "smoke a fag" to the gay guy, and handed him a cigarette, it would not be offensive.
Somebody will be able to tell if you are using the African nature of your word, just as somebody would be able to tell the cigarette means fag.
Nigger, likewise has more than one meaning.
Diploid: I took the time to break down words into: definition, etymology, intent, and context. You did not engage my post, but you only re-reinforced your notions that to me seem to imply a word is somehow racist on it's own
The word "Nigger" has a multiple context, etymology, definition, and intent. Could you please debunk this assessment before simply stating that you are unwilling to be accepting of it?
I know color has nothing to do it. I have Black friends that call me their nigga, and I'm white. Nigger is in the eye of the beholder.
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That's what the word MEANS. Even your own argument supports SP's assertion. Asserting a difference between two people based on nothing more than the color of their skin is exactly what racist means.
The capitalization of a word does not make it any more true.
How does my own argument support the assertion? I don't follow. Why don't you comment on my actual argument? Please do comment on the four aspects of words that I've brought up, and then justify how using a term of endearment ,"god", among friends is somehow the same as calling a stranger a "slave"?.
I'm saying that race being "the only difference" is a simplification that we can easily see past. Race is only minimal. Definition, Etymology, Intent, context all will shape the message. Tweaking the values of intent and context can totally change the meaning, and these people actually have a different definition and etymology!
The simple notion that color creates the issue, is too simple.
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american black culture... jesus people, read the entire thread.
Can you even define "american black culture"? Do all Black people in the USA share the same heritage or culture????
No. They don't.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Roger Wilco]
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so you see no distinction between a black person calling a black person a nigger and a white person calling a black person a nigger?
lets say you are in a bar and some black guy is being loud and obnoxious and a black guy says "shut up nigger"... no one bats an eye or even cares that a black guy called another black guy a nigger. BUT it is a huge difference if a white guy told that same loud black guy to "shut up nigger". The first scenario might even evoke a chuckle from a few people, while the second scenario would possibly create some bar room fight or angry mob riot.
the point is that all things being equal other than race creates two different conclusions is fundamentally racism. if those two men had the exact same inflection, intent, context and decibel level when saying "shut up nigger" it would have two completely different meanings to your average person.... which is racist.
i don't know how to walk you through this any slower.
on a side note, this just hit the news....
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A distinction is not a discrimination.
Nope. Those words are synonyms. You're picking at nits to avoid acknowledging that placing two people into two different categories based on their race alone and nothing else is what you do when you distinguish (or discriminate) between the two.
This is what the KKK does when they mentally sift groups of people into white and black. They use skin color to decide which person is "good" and which isn't. There is no difference between the race-based sorting of the group you're doing and the KKK's.
I took the time to break down words into: definition, etymology, intent, and context.
So what? Distinguishing between two people based purely on their race is the definition of racism. Since no one can read minds, intent in impossible to discern. And context changes based on the point of view.
You're blowing fluff to avoid the fact that the word racism means to look two otherwise similar people and assign different meaning to the white one and the black one. That is what racism is and no amount of long-winded obfuscation and hand waving on your part changes that.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Diploid]
#19341564 - 12/29/13 01:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nah, you're missing the element of superiority in the definition of racist and racism.
I can be different from someone and acknowledge those differences without discriminating.
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dis·crim·i·na·tion disˌkriməˈnāSHən/Submit noun 1. the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or things, esp. on the grounds of race, age, or sex.
You can pretend your blanket definitions apply, but that is intellectually dishonest.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Roger Wilco]
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american black culture... jesus people, read the entire thread.
Can you even define "american black culture"? Do all Black people in the USA share the same heritage or culture????
No. They don't.
yes, i can define american black culture. can you tell me a distinction between PNW black american culture and New England black american culture? doubtful. can you tell me a distinction between black american culture and the black culture of various african nations?
see, you have been conditioned to believe that thinking or saying anything bad about black people is a bad thing, and doubly compounded by being such a vile thing as a racist... but you don't know why. why is it not ok to dislike black people. what universal truth can you offer that invalidates my position of disliking a certain demographic? tell me why my "racism" is wrong.
See, the word "nigger" has reached Level: Taboo. It is almost on the level of incest, cannibalism, bestiality and necrophilia. but these things have an actual risk involved: retarded offspring, Kuru, STD's/death by hindquarter kick, or a thousand complications that can arise from fucking dead tissue. but there is no logical reason for "Nigger" to evoke the same response from people that telling them "i fuck my mother" should.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#19341615 - 12/29/13 01:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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When and why would you ever say "nigger" to another person?
It's most often not a positively loaded word, nor is whore, that's why I don't say it.
Sloppy cultures with no manners - "nigga, I fucked this dumb bitch yesterday...".
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: SneezingPenis]
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SneezingPenis said: so you see no distinction between a black person calling a black person a nigger and a white person calling a black person a nigger?
lets say you are in a bar and some black guy is being loud and obnoxious and a black guy says "shut up nigger"... no one bats an eye or even cares that a black guy called another black guy a nigger. BUT it is a huge difference if a white guy told that same loud black guy to "shut up nigger". The first scenario might even evoke a chuckle from a few people, while the second scenario would possibly create some bar room fight or angry mob riot.
the point is that all things being equal other than race creates two different conclusions is fundamentally racism. if those two men had the exact same inflection, intent, context and decibel level when saying "shut up nigger" it would have two completely different meanings to your average person.... which is racist.
The point is, not all things are equal! Never have been, never will be! The American etymology of nigger is that of the slave.
If I was newly in a wheelchair, and another wheelchair'd person called me "Ironside", I would know he would have a conceptual grounding in what it was like to be in my position, so I would not assume him to be ostracizing me.
This is the same when saying nigger, It implies: lower class, dog like, slavery!
If one black person says it to another, there is the intuition that they also have roots and threats of being treated as a second class citizen even today. The common blackness assumes a common conceptual ground of what it would be like to be in each others position, Just like our wheelchaired friends.
When I had long hair, I would say to various male long haired strangers: "cut your hair!" They would turn around looking pissed off or surprised, but then when they saw another long hair giving them a smile, they knew I shared their understanding, and as strangers we had laughs.
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Your presuming that this conversation isn't ending and people aren't submitting to your ideas because they are slow. I personally understand you notions, I just see them as very over simplified; they appear to willfully ignore much of realty. I don't mind taking a broader look.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: liquidlounge]
#19341640 - 12/29/13 01:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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why shouldn't i say "nigger" to someone?
why do you believe that is a rule? how did "do not say nigger if you are white" become a rule?
Do i get to pick some words I can be justifiably pissed about if someone uses them in my presence?
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SneezingPenis said: so you see no distinction between a black person calling a black person a nigger and a white person calling a black person a nigger?
lets say you are in a bar and some black guy is being loud and obnoxious and a black guy says "shut up nigger"... no one bats an eye or even cares that a black guy called another black guy a nigger. BUT it is a huge difference if a white guy told that same loud black guy to "shut up nigger". The first scenario might even evoke a chuckle from a few people, while the second scenario would possibly create some bar room fight or angry mob riot.
the point is that all things being equal other than race creates two different conclusions is fundamentally racism. if those two men had the exact same inflection, intent, context and decibel level when saying "shut up nigger" it would have two completely different meanings to your average person.... which is racist.
The point is, not all things are equal! Never have been, never will be! The American etymology of nigger is that of the slave.
If I was newly in a wheelchair, and another wheelchair'd person called me "Ironside", I would know he would have a conceptual grounding in what it was like to be in my position, so I would not assume him to be ostracizing me.
This is the same when saying nigger, It implies: lower class, dog like, slavery!
If one black person says it to another, there is the intuition that they also have roots and threats of being treated as a second class citizen even today. The common blackness assumes a common conceptual ground of what it would be like to be in each others position, Just like our wheelchaired friends.
When I had long hair, I would say to various male long haired strangers: "cut your hair!" They would turn around looking pissed off or surprised, but then when they saw another long hair giving them a smile, they knew I shared their understanding, and as strangers we had laughs.
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Your presuming that this conversation isn't ending and people aren't submitting to your ideas because they are slow. I personally understand you notions, I just see them as very over simplified; they appear to willfully ignore much of realty. I don't mind taking a broader look.
ok, i think you grasp the concept, but you are unable to connect the two ideas. If you assume that my intent in using the word "nigger" means "slave dog" only because I am white, then that is racism. plain and simple. you have made a distinction/assumption of other things based solely on my skin color. that is no different than me thinking "this black guy on a bike probably stole it". My "logic" in that is that I am extrapolating opinions about this person based solely on the color of their skin. Just as you would be extrapolating opinions about a white person saying nigger based solely on the color of his skin.
that. is. racism.
plain and simple.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#19341728 - 12/29/13 02:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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why shouldn't i say "nigger" to someone?
Why would I not change my facebook status to "SP's mother is a dirty whore!!"
why do you believe that is a rule? how did "do not say nigger if you are white" become a rule?
What rule are you referring to? Why is it offensive to say "your mother is a dumb whore"? Nigger is not a cool word to use in my book, regardless of skin color.
Do i get to pick some words I can be justifiably pissed about if someone uses them in my presence?
You're free to say whatever you want but I would snub you if you called people niggers.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: liquidlounge]
#19341745 - 12/29/13 02:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Why would I not change my facebook status to "SP's mother is a dirty whore!!"
why do you believe that is a rule? how did "do not say nigger if you are white" become a rule?
What rule are you referring to? Why is it offensive to say "your mother is a dumb whore"? Nigger is not a cool word to use in my book, regardless of skin color.
Do i get to pick some words I can be justifiably pissed about if someone uses them in my presence?
You're free to say whatever you want but I would snub you if you called people niggers.
feel free to change your facebook status to whatever you want.
calling my mother a dumb whore is not the same thing as calling someone a nigger. it doesn't elicit the same reaction.
just remember, you do not have the right to not be offended.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#19341752 - 12/29/13 02:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Why do you even want to use the word? What's so good about it anyway?
Oh and btw. I completely agree that you should be allowed to use it. I have white friends that use it around black friends a lot. And no one cares. However, these guys are friends and know that it's not being used with hate. I can see how black people that don't know a certain white guy could get pissed off when they say nigger especially if certain nonverbal cues/ words accompany it. I say go ahead use it whenever you want. The places where i've been in the northeast seem to use it a lot of the time without it causing any problem for black or white people. IME a lot of people have come off more racist when they used the word black in a sentence instead of nigger.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#19341775 - 12/29/13 02:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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yes, i can define american black culture. can you tell me a distinction between PNW black american culture and New England black american culture? doubtful. can you tell me a distinction between black american culture and the black culture of various african nations?
I can not tell you a distinction between false notions of groups. This is because these are not distinct entities. Distinct means well defined, unmistakable. You are just assuming a location and a color make something distinct. They don't. Every person is distinct.
The truth is that every person acts for themselves.People share "cutural roots", but the "culture" is the not even expected to be the same across the hall in the same household. Every person does a part in creating their own culture. There is no room for such absolutism in culture. Every person makes their own values, and their own priorities. Are your attributes the same as your siblings? your cousins? your neighbours? They are not.
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see, you have been conditioned to believe that thinking or saying anything bad about black people is a bad thing, and doubly compounded by being such a vile thing as a racist... but you don't know why. why is it not OK to dislike black people. what universal truth can you offer that invalidates my position of disliking a certain demographic? tell me why my "racism" is wrong.
You cannot assume to know what another persons perspective is. You have not only oversimplified race, but you have oversimplified my perspectives too. This is insane thinking. You cannot presume to know what other people believe, you cannot fill in the blanks, you must communicate with a person and allow them to represent themselves, otherwise you will just be making up, and that is dangerous. It doesn't reflect reality at all when you just make it up.
I partake in the debunking of all generalizations. Feel free to read my other posts, and you will find I make the same points regarding the oversimplification of religion, politics, etc.
We have to use our own minds, all the time. We have to pay attention, and be aware, and as we take in new experiences, logically assess it, and dynamically assimilate the new data.
You are advocating logical assessments be made NOW that are rigid and not dynamic. This will not allow you to properly, honestly dynamically assess new data as it comes in. This is what is wrong with all isms.
Your logical assessments made now will affect the clarity of your attention for taking in new information later. We have the ability to always learn as we age, but we need attention to be able to do so.
You must put your logical assessments secondary to experience and attention.
The making of generalization, will place logic before data and experience, which is illogical.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: SneezingPenis]
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calling my mother a dumb whore is not the same thing as calling someone a nigger. it doesn't elicit the same reaction.
I would say it does depending on who you're directing it towards, try saying that to a muslim or myself 5 years ago.
just remember, you do not have the right to not be offended.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: dustinthewind13]
#19341808 - 12/29/13 02:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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why do you want to use any word? why not just use grunts and gestures?
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#19341840 - 12/29/13 02:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well words are used with a certain purpose. To convey a message. Do you feel like you're missing out if you don't use it?
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yes, i can define american black culture. can you tell me a distinction between PNW black american culture and New England black american culture? doubtful. can you tell me a distinction between black american culture and the black culture of various african nations?
I can not tell you a distinction between false notions of groups. This is because these are not distinct entities. Distinct means well defined, unmistakable. You are just assuming a location and a color make something distinct. They don't. Every person is distinct.
The truth is that every person acts for themselves.People share "cutural roots", but the "culture" is the not even expected to be the same across the hall in the same household. Every person does a part in creating their own culture. There is no room for such absolutism in culture. Every person makes their own values, and their own priorities. Are your attributes the same as your siblings? your cousins? your neighbours? They are not.
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see, you have been conditioned to believe that thinking or saying anything bad about black people is a bad thing, and doubly compounded by being such a vile thing as a racist... but you don't know why. why is it not OK to dislike black people. what universal truth can you offer that invalidates my position of disliking a certain demographic? tell me why my "racism" is wrong.
You cannot assume to know what another persons perspective is. You have not only oversimplified race, but you have oversimplified my perspectives too. This is insane thinking. You cannot presume to know what other people believe, you cannot fill in the blanks, you must communicate with a person and allow them to represent themselves, otherwise you will just be making up, and that is dangerous. It doesn't reflect reality at all when you just make it up.
I partake in the debunking of all generalizations. Feel free to read my other posts, and you will find I make the same points regarding the oversimplification of religion, politics, etc.
We have to use our own minds, all the time. We have to pay attention, and be aware, and as we take in new experiences, logically assess it, and dynamically assimilate the new data.
You are advocating logical assessments be made NOW that are rigid and not dynamic. This will not allow you to properly, honestly dynamically assess new data as it comes in. This is what is wrong with all isms.
Your logical assessments made now will affect the clarity of your attention for taking in new information later. We have the ability to always learn as we age, but we need attention to be able to do so.
You must put your logical assessments secondary to experience and attention.
The making of generalization, will place logic before data and experience, which is illogical.
so you are saying that there is no difference between the culture that Three 6 mafia represents and the culture that haile selassie represented? you are saying that there is no cultural difference between africans and african americans? your entire argument is basically saying that culture doesn't exist.... or at best some fluffy idealistic bullshit about how we all have our own individual culture.
see, this is the problem with this particular forum is that everyone has the luxury of being idealistic when typing up their own resume about how they would act or how they really think... so many of you sit back and talk like "i don't judge people" and "I have no ego", but that is just an idealistic bullshit version of yourself sans reality. when you are presented with a real question you side step it with this bullshit about how righteous and philosophically advanced you are. and the funny thing is you do it on top of laughable suppositions.
so, ok, you are so enlightened that you see no color, and there is no distinction between afrikaan and african american culture... in fact, there is no such thing as culture....
we can keep pulling this conversation into the realm of existentialism and semantics where ultimately nothing is real and all our experiences could very well be false and that no one has a real grasp on reality.... whatever helps you not confront your own racism.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Diploid]
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Diploid said: A distinction is not a discrimination.
Nope. Those words are synonyms. You're picking at nits to avoid acknowledging that placing two people into two different categories based on their race alone and nothing else is what you do when you distinguish (or discriminate) between the two.
The words are synonyms, but only when in Certain context, and when using specific definition and etymology. They have potential to be words distinct from each other. These words certainly do have specific uses: distinction has to do with scrutiny,where as discrimination has to do with separation. It is dishonest to dismiss this, Assume possible synonymy means absolute synonymy is false.
You are avoiding my points, or at least failing to grasp my perspective, I am not nitpicking.
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This is what the KKK does when they mentally sift groups of people into white and black. They use skin color to decide which person is "good" and which isn't. There is no difference between the race-based sorting of the group you're doing and the KKK's.
I'm doing the KKK's sorting. right. I'm not confident you are grasping my messages, I'm not sure you've understood my posts.
I took the time to break down words into: definition, etymology, intent, and context.
So what? Distinguishing between two people based purely on their race is the definition of racism. Since no one can read minds, intent in impossible to discern. And context changes based on the point of view.
You're blowing fluff to avoid the fact that the word racism means to look two otherwise similar people and assign different meaning to the white one and the black one. That is what racism is and no amount of long-winded obfuscation and hand waving on your part changes that.
I'm saying it means something different for every individual; at every usage. If I use a racial epithet around my one black friend, It is different then when I say it to my other black friend. The context and intent change every single usage.
To say it's a white thing, or its a black thing, is wrong. It's a thing that comes of a one tongue at a time, and hits one ear at a time. Each and every time it's new. Some white people are OK saying it to some black people sometimes. Some black people don't ever wanna hear it even from other black people. The whole blanket conceptualization is full of confusion. Make a judgment on a historical example, but don't assume it sets a rule for other sets of circumstances.
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liquidlounge said: calling my mother a dumb whore is not the same thing as calling someone a nigger. it doesn't elicit the same reaction.
I would say it does depending on who you're directing it towards, try saying that to a muslim or myself 5 years ago.
just remember, you do not have the right to not be offended.
Subjective.
i meant collectively. if we were on a crowded bus and I called your mother a whore, maybe you and 2 other people get upset. if i call you a stupid nigger probably 90% of the bus is up in arms and would clap if I got punched out. not the same.
no, you literally do not have the right to not be offended. I am well within my rights to offend the fuck out of you. You being offended is nothing more than yelling out "i am offended!". People think that since they are offended they have the right to act a certain way and do things. It is personal justification. You slash someones tires you did it because you felt justified or that you need to serve up your own justice.
this is why people revel in being offended. they seek it out. it is their own personal loophole for acting like a fucktard.
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Diploid said: A distinction is not a discrimination.
Nope. Those words are synonyms. You're picking at nits to avoid acknowledging that placing two people into two different categories based on their race alone and nothing else is what you do when you distinguish (or discriminate) between the two.
The words are synonyms, but only when in Certain context, and when using specific definition and etymology. They have potential to be words distinct from each other. These words certainly do have specific uses: distinction has to do with scrutiny,where as discrimination has to do with separation. It is dishonest to dismiss this, Assume possible synonymy means absolute synonymy is false.
You are avoiding my points, or at least failing to grasp my perspective, I am not nitpicking.
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This is what the KKK does when they mentally sift groups of people into white and black. They use skin color to decide which person is "good" and which isn't. There is no difference between the race-based sorting of the group you're doing and the KKK's.
I'm doing the KKK's sorting. right. I'm not confident you are grasping my messages, I'm not sure you've understood my posts.
I took the time to break down words into: definition, etymology, intent, and context.
So what? Distinguishing between two people based purely on their race is the definition of racism. Since no one can read minds, intent in impossible to discern. And context changes based on the point of view.
You're blowing fluff to avoid the fact that the word racism means to look two otherwise similar people and assign different meaning to the white one and the black one. That is what racism is and no amount of long-winded obfuscation and hand waving on your part changes that.
I'm saying it means something different for every individual; at every usage. If I use a racial epithet around my one black friend, It is different then when I say it to my other black friend. The context and intent change every single usage.
To say it's a white thing, or its a black thing, is wrong. It's a thing that comes of a one tongue at a time, and hits one ear at a time. Each and every time it's new. Some white people are OK saying it to some black people sometimes. Some black people don't ever wanna hear it even from other black people. The whole blanket conceptualization is full of confusion. Make a judgment on a historical example, but don't assume it sets a rule for other sets of circumstances.
lol, you make a distinction about making distinctions... and then claim that one distinction is justifying an idea into the category of not being racist while the very same logic to distinguish the former is used to justify placing an idea into the category of being racist...
how do you not see your own double standards in your own head?
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#19341964 - 12/29/13 03:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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i meant collectively. if we were on a crowded bus and I called your mother a whore, maybe you and 2 other people get upset. if i call you a stupid nigger probably 90% of the bus is up in arms and would clap if I got punched out. not the same.
Most likely true. Try shouting Albania sucks in downtown Tirana and see what happens.
no, you literally do not have the right to not be offended.
I do not have the right to not be offended. How does this make sense?
If I call a black man "nigger", he has the right to not be offended. What rights are you talking about anyway?
this is why people revel in being offended. they seek it out. it is their own personal loophole for acting like a fucktard.
Some may do.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: liquidlounge]
#19342026 - 12/29/13 03:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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i know it sounds like a double negative but it isn't. because "you have the right to be offended" isn't the same thing".
the point is that there is nothing that can protect you from someone hurting your feelings.
that is another thing i never understood... if you think that someone who uses the word Nigger is just a stupid fuckwad, then why do you care what they think? see, i hate niggerdom because it has pervading effects upon my wellbeing. my tax dollars are used up, my property value goes down, my chances of having violent crime inflicted upon me is increased.
but a bunch of hicks around a fire talking about how much black people stink isn't hurting anyone... no more than any other personal belief. It is how they act upon those beliefs that you should judge or be offended by, otherwise you are just trying to be thought police.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#19342110 - 12/29/13 03:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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so you are saying that there is no difference between the culture that Three 6 mafia represents and the culture that haile selassie represented? you are saying that there is no cultural difference between africans and african americans? your entire argument is basically saying that culture doesn't exist.... or at best some fluffy idealistic bullshit about how we all have our own individual culture.
Cultures are like mosaics. The little tiny parts are the individuals people. This bigger picture is made of all the smaller pieces. The color, flavor, true culture isn't actually found within the collective mosaic, but within all the little pixels. You only find the attributes of individuals, not attributes of cultures when you go into the world an immerse yourself in these mosaics.
This is not fluffy, this is the nature of a collective.
I am stating that we all have individual culture. I am not suggesting the we are not influenced by our cultural heritage, or cultural history. Cultural history does not negate our ability to make choices and thus make our own culture, which is of course what all people do.
This is not fluffy, this is the nature of the individual.
Yes of course we all create our own culture. This is known as free will. We may share culture heritage, history, but that is all. One brother is a jock, one brother is a nerd, one brother is a shroomerite, three brothers mixing their own unique cultural cocktails. Culture exists, but It's not something that can be objectively measured Culture is not rigid or defined. Cultural "norms" changes through time, because people change it.
The supposition that having our own culture is "idealistic bullshit" suggests that the individual is a predetermined automaton that must do what it's culture has already decided. This is not true. There is an element of choice and free will in the experience.
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see, this is the problem with this particular forum is that everyone has the luxury of being idealistic when typing up their own resume about how they would act or how they really think... so many of you sit back and talk like "i don't judge people" and "I have no ego", but that is just an idealistic bullshit version of yourself sans reality. when you are presented with a real question you side step it with this bullshit about how righteous and philosophically advanced you are. and the funny thing is you do it on top of laughable suppositions.
Why are you having a diatribe to critisice all the forum's members in the middle of a response to me? I don't claim to be without ego. I judge actual people for actual actions, not imagined people for generalizations.
What real question did I side step?
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so, ok, you are so enlightened that you see no color, and there is no distinction between afrikaan and african american culture... in fact, there is no such thing as culture....
I did not use the word enlightenment. What are you referring to? I don't follow........ and you accuse me of side stepping..........
Again, culture is not a simple thing that is the same for everyone. It has a heritage component, and individual free will component.
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we can keep pulling this conversation into the realm of existentialism and semantics where ultimately nothing is real and all our experiences could very well be false and that no one has a real grasp on reality.... whatever helps you not confront your own racism.
This is the second time you've ended a post with an ad hominem towards me. Why? Does this make you feel good? Does it help your argument? Do you actually think I have philosophical or active racism that needs confronting?
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Roger Wilco]
#19342132 - 12/29/13 03:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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The culture in the south was centered around using slaves for labor thus were essential to the economy. Basically it was because of Money.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#19342186 - 12/29/13 03:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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the point is that there is nothing that can protect you from someone hurting your feelings.
That's why we have etiquettes and manners to prevent people getting their feelings hurt, it doesn't work well because of words like "nigger". Verbal communication can be just as hurtful as physical violence, even more so in some cases.
if you think that someone who uses the word Nigger is just a stupid fuckwad, then why do you care what they think?
Why care about what religions or Miley Cyrus spread when it affects me through politics?
see, i hate niggerdom because it has pervading effects upon my wellbeing. my tax dollars are used up, my property value goes down, my chances of having violent crime inflicted upon me is increased.
There are many things I hate as well but the root is not "niggerdom", it's a part of a much larger issue, calling it "niggerdom" hardly addresses the main issues in society.
but a bunch of hicks around a fire talking about how much black people stink isn't hurting anyone... no more than any other personal belief. It is how they act upon those beliefs that you should judge or be offended by, otherwise you are just trying to be thought police.
People are free to have their own opinions but it causes hatred, just like mainstream religions, politics, media etc.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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SneezingPenis said: I want to make a tv show where you find the most adamantly "unracist" person and have them take a few graveyard shifts at a 7-11 in detroit and see when and how often they put their hand on the shotgun under the cash register...
Perhaps you should have attended Cornell University with my Black wife, where she schooled with other Black Ivy League students, who are today's 'movers and shakers,' attorneys, physicians, CEOs, and all manner of professionals. You want to look at the gutter-level of a financially ruined American city and project that onto what, ALL brown-skinned Americans of a certain socio-economic and educational level? Your mind is in the gutter, identified with the Muladhara chakra - survival, fear, physical violence - the lowest mammalian, limbic system stuff. And which physical organ is the Muladhara chakra associated with? Answer: the asshole. Your physical head may not be in there, but your mind seems to be. Your mind is tainted with fear, and IF you associate your fear with skin color, then you'd be just as ignorant as any sheet-wearing, inbred fucktard who ever lived in the USA. It's about a whole lot of variables, mostly those that I named - socio-economic and educational levels, not melanin content. The low-life who happen to be Black can smell your fear, so you have every reason to be even more fearful. They are all about Muladhara mentally too. Violent criminals are human scum regardless of their color. I've been friends or friendly with Blacks whether they were janitors or PhD CEOs, or anything in between. Fearing psychopaths is normal. Fearing Blacks is just racism. I recommend practicing 'color-blindness' while being cautious around psychopaths.
Not to mention where these sheet-wearing, inbred fucktards (whites) come from. Brought to America in chains and enslaved, perhaps up to 2 thirds of American whites are descended from white slaves. After the civil war the wealthy elite Yanks/republicans were arming the freed black slaves/financing militant revenge violence by poor blacks on poor whites. The southern wealthy elite democrats organised the poor whites with sheets, crosses and ropes, but these inbred fucktards (whites) never had any more power than the blacks. They stayed poor, broken down, in debt, working from dawn till dusk 7 days a week. Its a little funny how sir higher consciousness non-racist Markos is unconscious of his own hate speech. Sheet wearing inbred fucktards. Poor dumb whites. Would he stand for equally colourful language to describe poor dumb blacks? American laws, media and robot leftists certainly don't. But hate speech on whites is absolutely dandy. Sleepwalker said: Yeah, let's hope it's us white people getting washed away this time, eh? That would be fun.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: usulpsychonaut]
#19354614 - 01/01/14 12:52 PM (10 years, 30 days ago) |
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All that is true and yet black people are still resentful towards poor white people. It's like, hey, my ancestors were poor and never owned slaves so don't give me that guilt trip man.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: ShiVersblood]
#19354829 - 01/01/14 01:55 PM (10 years, 29 days ago) |
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These sheet wearing fucktards are no longer a hate group. http://www.myeasternshoremd.com/news/kent_county/article_1f00b027-8e1f-5436-b131-f7814cb69c56.html They are still poor, harmless, dumb whites, just allot of them dropped the race hate years ago. Populism is the movement that threatened the wealthy elite, racial conflict keeps the poor divided. Part of the problem being that racial conflict is natural, so its easily easily sustained in just the right way to serve the interests of the masters.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: usulpsychonaut]
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usulpsychonaut said: These sheet wearing fucktards are no longer a hate group. http://www.myeasternshoremd.com/news/kent_county/article_1f00b027-8e1f-5436-b131-f7814cb69c56.html They are still poor, harmless, dumb whites, just allot of them dropped the race hate years ago. Populism is the movement that threatened the wealthy elite, racial conflict keeps the poor divided. Part of the problem being that racial conflict is natural, so its easily easily sustained in just the right way to serve the interests of the masters.
Some of the quotes from the Klan leader in that article made me crack up.
“We’ve changed,” Larson said. “We haven’t had any bombings or hangings for years.”
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: deCypher]
#19366636 - 01/04/14 01:52 AM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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SP: first of all good thread man.
We had this discussion earlier in the year in the sports forum about that incognito shit.
Anyway you told me about how you think black culture is toxic, and i got super offended like any good liberal upper middle class white kid would. Then i started hanging around some of the black kids at my college, all of them are great guys face to face. “I’m in school to better my self and be able to support a family some day” you get the point. Anyway i started to realize these kids that were pretty well spoken and well mannered by all accounts, when surrounded by other blacks, and i was the only white guy in the room, would start speaking in the most unintelligible bullshit slang about selling drugs. Basically just acting a completely different manner. They would also kinda harass me, not in a mean way but comments about me being white would increase 10 fold.
It really is like two totally different cultures. The kid i was talking to about finishing professional degrees with hours ago, is suddenly talking about robbing people at gun point. Keep in mind this is in a low crime place where blacks account for >10% of the population and these kids made it to college. I mean they are all still good kids for the most part it was just an eye opening experience. When blacks are outnumbered by whites they act entirely different then they do when the tables are flipped.
This doesn’t totally change my perception on race, but it does make me realize there are people that take shit you hear in rap songs seriously I don’t believe any race is inherently better than another, and i doubt many people do, aside from the complete lost causes. I do see by the way we (me and the kid i was talking about) were brought up we will never be able to fully integrate into the others culture. Im sure he would feel just as out of place if i took him to the country club and was talking golf with my white friends.
and I can safely say i never ever want to live in a poor black neighborhood. Sorry i gave you so much flack for pointing out the obvious just months ago
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: elax420]
#19367202 - 01/04/14 08:22 AM (10 years, 27 days ago) |
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That's a cool dog/cat pack dude
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Icelander] 3
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so after this completely laughable ban, from whatever white apologist who I am sure is too scared to show themselves, I have worked on some more points.
in fact, my ban is an actual living, breathing proof to my point. The reaction to racism is far more damaging than actual racism.
So, you have me, sitting here, making salient points about race and racism, in a forum designed to debate and discuss such things, without breaking any rules.... in fact, i feel pretty confident that I was creating some extremely civil and thoughtful discourse about race and racism, but certain mods have a personal agenda to stop people from communicating ideas about the fundamental problems that racism, and perceived racism create. So.. you have me making an innocent thread, which may offend some people (as much as a thread on the shroomery can possibly do...?) but not flaming people, or stating my opinion in a manner that is obstinate or callous. Then some ridiculous moderator decides that my sentiments are wrong, and they were going to take it upon themselves to be the thought police by banning me for 2 weeks for a feeble, thin, non-existent reason... so what was worse... my calm, coherent, civil discourse discussing race/racism, or a moderator with an ignorant agenda to snuff out any discourse about race/racism?
Much like the dozens of stories about a black kid being shot by a white cop, who later got a slap on the wrist, and then the black community threatens (or commits) a riot, which does billions in damage and injures/kills multiple people.... what is worse: passive racism, or the reaction to perceived racism?
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#19434705 - 01/17/14 07:23 PM (10 years, 13 days ago) |
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I couldn't tell you man and I live in Mississippi of all places  Simply put the mass of people here are just ignorant beyond belief.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#19435615 - 01/17/14 11:03 PM (10 years, 13 days ago) |
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SneezingPenis said: so after this completely laughable ban, from whatever white apologist who I am sure is too scared to show themselves, I have worked on some more points.
in fact, my ban is an actual living, breathing proof to my point. The reaction to racism is far more damaging than actual racism.
So, you have me, sitting here, making salient points about race and racism, in a forum designed to debate and discuss such things, without breaking any rules.... in fact, i feel pretty confident that I was creating some extremely civil and thoughtful discourse about race and racism, but certain mods have a personal agenda to stop people from communicating ideas about the fundamental problems that racism, and perceived racism create. So.. you have me making an innocent thread, which may offend some people (as much as a thread on the shroomery can possibly do...?) but not flaming people, or stating my opinion in a manner that is obstinate or callous. Then some ridiculous moderator decides that my sentiments are wrong, and they were going to take it upon themselves to be the thought police by banning me for 2 weeks for a feeble, thin, non-existent reason... so what was worse... my calm, coherent, civil discourse discussing race/racism, or a moderator with an ignorant agenda to snuff out any discourse about race/racism?
Much like the dozens of stories about a black kid being shot by a white cop, who later got a slap on the wrist, and then the black community threatens (or commits) a riot, which does billions in damage and injures/kills multiple people.... what is worse: passive racism, or the reaction to perceived racism?
Sorry man. Who banned you? For what it's worth I thought you presented your perspective respectfully and without violating any of the forum's rules. The moderator who triggered your ban has some explaining to do IMO.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: deCypher]
#19435659 - 01/17/14 11:17 PM (10 years, 13 days ago) |
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An ADMIN, WiccanSeeker.
When somebody makes a comment like:
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black culture is toxic, lazy, selfish and oblivious. It is when these traits of black culture are expressed by a black person that we think "stupid nigger".
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The person holding up the line at the convenience store scratching off lottery tickets and not moving, pants around his thighs and then buys 2 blount wraps with nickels and pennies and then hops in his 1998 maroon impala with new rims and shaking the windows with shitty bass from a shitty rap song... yeah, that is when people like me just shake their head and think "what a fuckin nigger".
it's easy to see how they're trolling, provoking an emotionally charged response. Had he said "I think some black people's culture is toxic, lazy, selfish, and oblivious, and thus think derogatory comments about those specific people, not because they're black, but because of those specific qualities." I think he wouldn't have been banned - nor would somebody else's ban needed to be reversed for calling him out.
For the second quote, BFD if any of that sullies his mood, nothing specifically mentioned did anyone harm... Oh lord he had to wait in line a bit longer or his ears were de-verginized by a "thump thump", yet he was compelled to illustrate his sentiments with a racially derogative term which offends all black people and likely many minorities...
Keep up the QQing Sneezing, should Wiccan read it again, I won't miss ya.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: CosmicJoke]
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CosmicJoke said: An admin, WiccanSeeker.
When somebody makes a comment like:
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black culture is toxic, lazy, selfish and oblivious. It is when these traits of black culture are expressed by a black person that we think "stupid nigger".
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The person holding up the line at the convenience store scratching off lottery tickets and not moving, pants around his thighs and then buys 2 blount wraps with nickels and pennies and then hops in his 1998 maroon impala with new rims and shaking the windows with shitty bass from a shitty rap song... yeah, that is when people like me just shake their head and think "what a fuckin nigger".
It's easy to see how they're trolling, provoking an emotionally charged response. Had he said "I think some black people's culture is toxic, lazy, selfish, and oblivious, and think derogatory comments about those specific people, not because they're black, but because of those qualities." I think he wouldn't have been banned - nor would have somebody else's ban just needed to be reversed for calling them out.
For the second quote, BFD if any of that sullies your mood, nothing specifically mentioned did anyone harm, yet you used a racially derogative term which offends all black people and likely many minorities...
Keep up the QQing Sneezing, should Wiccan read it again, I won't miss ya.
so it is against forum rules to explain my thought process when directly asked about it? how is that against the rules? in fact, Markos did break the rules... so do you see how simply because you are so irrationally angry (which is fundamentally the "evil" behind racism) about my thoughts, that you feel justified and even smugly righteous in unfairly penalizing someone who has followed all the rules, while simultaneously forgiving someone for acting in direct opposition to the rules? all because they have thoughts that you disagree with.
but thank you wiccan, and cosmic, for elegantly proving almost all my points i have made so far in this thread. You guys are like the christians who spend so much time and effort battling this non-existent cause to "keep christ in christmas". No one, not even atheists, really give 2 shits about whether or not you say "merry christmas" or "happy holidays", but the second someone else says "happy holidays" you have to over-react and demonize that person for using a word, or having "different thoughts".
My "racism" has never harmed anyone. I am willing to bet that you and wiccan seekers' call to arms to squash out any bad thoughts about brown people has done far more damage on a macro and micro level than my aversion to be around a certain type of person. makes me chuckle every time i see someone who hates people for hating people, and when they think they are better than people that think they are better than people. Where does your hypocrisy end? can't tolerate intolerance and anyone who doesn't fly my flag of unconditional unity is my enemy... what happens when you hate the hater? what happens when you bully the bully? what happens when you ostracize the ostracizer? All you did was one-up their alleged lack of progressiveness and become the very thing you were trying to squash.
why is saying "niggers suck" any different than saying "christians suck"? how is one a personal flame, yet the other is expressed in almost every other thread in here? your criteria is irrational, and unfounded. you are worse than any racist could ever be...
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#19435870 - 01/18/14 12:36 AM (10 years, 13 days ago) |
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You'd be wrong, as I had 100% zero influence in WS's decision, though I DID appeal to him to make an amendment to REVISE the guidelines AFTER the decision had been made to CLARIFY the rules. He said the rules were fine, but mods needed to use better discretion.
I'll happily you every last word I've said to him about the matter.
Edit: actually nothing I said was in relation to any disciplinary action towards you, but rather whether MtG should be banned.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: CosmicJoke]
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i couldn't care less about your whining.
what amendments or clarification was done?
if you care so much about this, why don't you actually make real counter-arguments that are relevant to the thread, rather than being indignant? do you honestly not see how in everything you have done so far (in this thread) has done nothing than further prove my points? I might as well be giving a live demonstration on a stage somewhere.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: CosmicJoke]
#19435911 - 01/18/14 12:49 AM (10 years, 13 days ago) |
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Quite personally I may add that I'm glad that I don't have to live near uneducated, racist hicks here in Portland..
so tell me... how was this any less racist than what i said and got banned for?
please explain.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#19435921 - 01/18/14 12:53 AM (10 years, 13 days ago) |
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in fact, i am going to flag that post and request that you be banned for your insulting comments towards white people who find the word "hick" to be derogatory towards them.
not because i actually think wiccan seeker has the ethos in him to act fairly in this matter and deservingly ban you, but because he actually will not ban you, further showing just how far down one has to slide to hang on to their irrational persecution of thoughts.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: SneezingPenis]
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I'll gladly deplore intolerance and bigotry .
As I said, no amendments or clarifications to the rules were made, he said he wishes for the mods to use better discretion when choosing to ban a member.
A counter point to what? You think you need to explain your thought processes explicitly with racially charged terms, as if that doesn't discourage everyone who isn't a straight white male from participating in philosophical discourse? Find a better way to get your point across.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: SneezingPenis]
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Quite personally I may add that I'm glad that I don't have to live near uneducated, racist hicks here in Portland..
so tell me... how was this any less racist than what i said and got banned for?
please explain.

Did I call out a specific race? At best that's a derogatory word to countryside people who are unintelligent and provincial. Try again.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: CosmicJoke]
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you do realize that hick is a racial epithet.
if i asked 10 people what "hick" meant, what do you think all 10 of those people would say? i think we are passed the semantical and etymological arguments of words, otherwise "nigger" would simply mean black with no racial charge one way or the other.
come on cosmic.... you are better than that. stop trying to play dumb. you know that "hick" is a racial epithet, no different than the word "nigger".
explain yourself.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: SneezingPenis]
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if i asked 10 people what "hick" meant, what do you think all 10 of those people would say? i think we are passed the semantical and etymological arguments of words, otherwise "nigger" would simply mean black with no racial charge one way or the other.
come on cosmic.... you are better than that. stop trying to play dumb. you know that "hick" is a racial epithet, no different than the word "nigger".
explain yourself.
Um, no, "nigger" would not simply mean black. are you talking about? It would be a disparaging term that virtually black people would find offensive from a white man. Hardly the same could be said against white people who hear the word 'hick', which implies a lack of culture diversity.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: CosmicJoke]
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wow, you are really fighting reality here.
so you think that it is ok to say hick, but not nigger, because the people that used "nigger" were meaner than the people that used "hick"?
this is not a subjective thing. Hick is a racist term. it is synonymous with meaning "poor white trash", just as nigger is a racist term that means "poor ignorant black".
stop trying to dodge the question with bullshit. you know that there is no difference between the two terms. So far your argument has been "nuh uh" and just flat out denying reality.
I am not arguing with you whether or not hick is a racist term, because it is. I am asking you why you think it is different.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: SneezingPenis]
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and are you basing the "wrongness" of the word "nigger" on how certain people react to it? and if so, who put you in charge of Gallup polling? how do you know that a white person called a hick is always less insulted than a black person being called a nigger?
you literally make no sense right now.
take your lumps like a man. own up and just admit that you are as racist as the next guy.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: SneezingPenis]
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so you think that it is ok to say hick, but not nigger, because the people that used "nigger" were meaner than the people that used "hick"?
this is not a subjective thing. Hick is a racist term. it is synonymous with meaning "poor white trash", just as nigger is a racist term that means "poor ignorant black".
stop trying to dodge the question with bullshit. you know that there is no difference between the two terms. So far your argument has been "nuh uh" and just flat out denying reality.
I am not arguing with you whether or not hick is a racist term, because it is. I am asking you why you think it is different.
I do disagree, because I don't think the term hick is only applicable to white people.. Perhaps that's true in your reality tunnel, but not mine. Basically applied to ignorant, uncultured haters with a complete disregard for cultural diversity. No race applicable.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: CosmicJoke]
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so because you think that a term doesn't mean what it actually means, you have decided that it isn't racist?
in a way, you are completely agreeing with me... because if you go back in this thread and see my points about how "nigger" doesn't mean just a black person, but anyone who expresses black culture, which could easily mean Eminem and other white people.... therefor making it not a racial term.... well, when i use it.
so which is it, are you agreeing with me, or trying to create this personal loophole that allows you to not recognize your own "intolerance"?
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: SneezingPenis]
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SneezingPenis said: so because you think that a term doesn't mean what it actually means, you have decided that it isn't racist?
in a way, you are completely agreeing with me... because if you go back in this thread and see my points about how "nigger" doesn't mean just a black person, but anyone who expresses black culture, which could easily mean Eminem and other white people.... therefor making it not a racial term.... well, when i use it.
so which is it, are you agreeing with me, or trying to create this personal loophole that allows you to not recognize your own "intolerance"?
I don't know much about Eminem frankly, but I know he has an interest in the arts and has experience in both music and drama... The word 'hick' isn't the first word that comes to mind.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: CosmicJoke]
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i wasn't implying that eminem could be considered a hick, but rather a nigger. and that is only since we are using your "free range" definitions loophole.
get back to the point. why is using hick any different than using nigger?
flat out. no bullshit. explain it to me using facts or objective data. not this crap about "well i am not racist because i didn't know that hick was a racist term".
get passed the FACT that hick is a racist term. you are just wrong if you insist that it isn't. that is a fact.
all you need to do now, is agree that "nigger" is also a racist term, and that we both used our respective racial terms in the exact same context.
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SneezingPenis said: i wasn't implying that eminem could be considered a hick, but rather a nigger. and that is only since we are using your "free range" definitions loophole.
get back to the point. why is using hick any different than using nigger?
flat out. no bullshit. explain it to me using facts or objective data. not this crap about "well i am not racist because i didn't know that hick was a racist term".
get passed the FACT that hick is a racist term. you are just wrong if you insist that it isn't. that is a fact.
all you need to do now, is agree that "nigger" is also a racist term, and that we both used our respective racial terms in the exact same context.
Nope, look it the fuck up. Hick: "a person who lives in the country, regarded as being unintelligent or provincial: wondering what a hick from the sticks was doing there | [ as modifier ] : a hick town."
Argue it as a mere matter of semantics as you will, but I was once a poor, white young male, but never lacked the cultural awareness - had access to a $.50 library card. The problem is, the term "nigger" unequivocally offensive to all black people. I found no offense to the term hick being applied to unsophisticated, narrow-minded people, who lacked a basic curiosity about the greater world around them, never saw the term segregating race.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: CosmicJoke]
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Let's try again with the term faggot, are we to say excessively feminine men who sully your mood by acting exceeding flamboyant deserve the term faggot applied to them? Did they do a fucking thing to not live and let live by merely being flamboyant? Would I use the term hick against others who would not live and let live - absofuckinglutely not.
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SneezingPenis said: i wasn't implying that eminem could be considered a hick, but rather a nigger. and that is only since we are using your "free range" definitions loophole.
get back to the point. why is using hick any different than using nigger?
flat out. no bullshit. explain it to me using facts or objective data. not this crap about "well i am not racist because i didn't know that hick was a racist term".
get passed the FACT that hick is a racist term. you are just wrong if you insist that it isn't. that is a fact.
all you need to do now, is agree that "nigger" is also a racist term, and that we both used our respective racial terms in the exact same context.
Nope, look it the fuck up. Hick: "a person who lives in the country, regarded as being unintelligent or provincial: wondering what a hick from the sticks was doing there | [ as modifier ] : a hick town."
Argue it as a mere matter of semantics as you will, but I was once a poor, white young male, but never lacked the cultural awareness - had access to a $.50 library card. The problem is, the term "nigger" unequivocally offensive to all black people. I found no offense to the term hick being applied to unsophisticated, narrow-minded people, who lacked a basic curiosity about the greater world around them, never saw the term segregating race.
and the definition of nigger is: a member of a black skinned race.
you can't have it both ways. either 1) I am not a racist because my use of the word nigger was used in accordance with the actual definition of the word or 2) We are both racist, because the implied, modern meaning of the words we used have racist undertones to them that are widely acknowledged.
Now you are trying to parse intent. You are trying to say that your intent when using the word "hick" meant uneducated/unintelligent, yet mine meant "stupid black fuckshit asshole cuntrag motherfucker".
so why then would you use such redundancy? you said " uneducated, racist hicks". are you telling me that you honestly meant "uneducated, racist uneducated people"?
that would be like me saying "dark skinned nigger"... it would be completely redundant in this parallel universe you have created.
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SneezingPenis said: i wasn't implying that eminem could be considered a hick, but rather a nigger. and that is only since we are using your "free range" definitions loophole.
get back to the point. why is using hick any different than using nigger?
flat out. no bullshit. explain it to me using facts or objective data. not this crap about "well i am not racist because i didn't know that hick was a racist term".
get passed the FACT that hick is a racist term. you are just wrong if you insist that it isn't. that is a fact.
all you need to do now, is agree that "nigger" is also a racist term, and that we both used our respective racial terms in the exact same context.
Nope, look it the fuck up. Hick: "a person who lives in the country, regarded as being unintelligent or provincial: wondering what a hick from the sticks was doing there | [ as modifier ] : a hick town."
Argue it as a mere matter of semantics as you will, but I was once a poor, white young male, but never lacked the cultural awareness - had access to a $.50 library card. The problem is, the term "nigger" unequivocally offensive to all black people. I found no offense to the term hick being applied to unsophisticated, narrow-minded people, who lacked a basic curiosity about the greater world around them, never saw the term segregating race.
and the definition of nigger is: a member of a black skinned race.
you can't have it both ways. either 1) I am not a racist because my use of the word nigger was used in accordance with the actual definition of the word or 2) We are both racist, because the implied, modern meaning of the words we used have racist undertones to them that are widely acknowledged.
Now you are trying to parse intent. You are trying to say that your intent when using the word "hick" meant uneducated/unintelligent, yet mine meant "stupid black fuckshit asshole cuntrag motherfucker".
so why then would you use such redundancy? you said " uneducated, racist hicks". are you telling me that you honestly meant "uneducated, racist uneducated people"?
that would be like me saying "dark skinned nigger"... it would be completely redundant in this parallel universe you have created.
No, I'll accept my redundancy in this case of a noun usage. Utterly redundant. Ya got me in my redundancy.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#19436130 - 01/18/14 02:04 AM (10 years, 13 days ago) |
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and just be honest.
picture a hick. was he white? picture a nigger. was he black?
honestly answer me those questions.
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SneezingPenis said: i wasn't implying that eminem could be considered a hick, but rather a nigger. and that is only since we are using your "free range" definitions loophole.
get back to the point. why is using hick any different than using nigger?
flat out. no bullshit. explain it to me using facts or objective data. not this crap about "well i am not racist because i didn't know that hick was a racist term".
get passed the FACT that hick is a racist term. you are just wrong if you insist that it isn't. that is a fact.
all you need to do now, is agree that "nigger" is also a racist term, and that we both used our respective racial terms in the exact same context.
Nope, look it the fuck up. Hick: "a person who lives in the country, regarded as being unintelligent or provincial: wondering what a hick from the sticks was doing there | [ as modifier ] : a hick town."
Argue it as a mere matter of semantics as you will, but I was once a poor, white young male, but never lacked the cultural awareness - had access to a $.50 library card. The problem is, the term "nigger" unequivocally offensive to all black people. I found no offense to the term hick being applied to unsophisticated, narrow-minded people, who lacked a basic curiosity about the greater world around them, never saw the term segregating race.
and the definition of nigger is: a member of a black skinned race.
you can't have it both ways. either 1) I am not a racist because my use of the word nigger was used in accordance with the actual definition of the word or 2) We are both racist, because the implied, modern meaning of the words we used have racist undertones to them that are widely acknowledged.
Now you are trying to parse intent. You are trying to say that your intent when using the word "hick" meant uneducated/unintelligent, yet mine meant "stupid black fuckshit asshole cuntrag motherfucker".
so why then would you use such redundancy? you said " uneducated, racist hicks". are you telling me that you honestly meant "uneducated, racist uneducated people"?
that would be like me saying "dark skinned nigger"... it would be completely redundant in this parallel universe you have created.
No, I'll accept my redundancy in this case of a noun usage. Utterly redundant. Ya got me in my redundancy.
wow you are really worried about this ban. but you are having a hard time holding onto the notion that I am a racist, while trying to prove that what you said was completely different. you are going to have to give up one.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: CosmicJoke]
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CosmicJoke said: Quite personally I may add that I'm glad that I don't have to live near uneducated, racist hicks here in Portland..
Fucking

Portland has to be one of the worst places in america, i thought this long before i saw shit like this but know it is fact.
You guys are so fucking white as is Why don’t you just prove SP’s point while your at it. Y’all barely even have mexicans.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: SneezingPenis]
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SneezingPenis said: and just be honest.
picture a hick. was he white? picture a nigger. was he black?
honestly answer me those questions.
Sure, let me give you an example of what I would think a hick to be.
Overhearing at a grocery store by someone waiting in line behind a woman speaking on her cellphone in another language, ahead of her was another man. After the woman hangs up, he speaks up.
Man: "I didn't want to say anything while you were on the phone, but you're in America now. You need to speak English."
Woman: "Excuse me?"
Man: *very slow* "If you want to speak Mexican, go back to Meixco. In America, we speak English."
Woman: "Sir, I was speaking Navajo. If you want to speak English, go back to England."
THAT is what I mean by hick, don't give a fuck if it's white, black, you the fuck name it = HICK!
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wow you are really worried about this ban. but you are having a hard time holding onto the notion that I am a racist, while trying to prove that what you said was completely different. you are going to have to give up one.
Haven't had to prove anything, make a valid case for what I've said to be the same. Hick =/= nigger. Refute my last post.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: CosmicJoke]
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they were simple yes or no questions.
you refuse to answer because you know i am right.
hick= derogatory to white people nigger= derogatory to black people
if you have any balls you will ask wiccan seeker to give you a ban.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: CosmicJoke]
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Ive never seen that happen once in my life and i live in a “hick” state with a lot more Mexicans/spanish speakers than portland. Hell even the hicks know survival spanish here.
No one speaks navajo outside of the res and your state doesn’t even have a significant navajo population so come on man.......
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: elax420]
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this entire thread all he has done is try to arbitrate what peoples intent has been.
he defended markos because he "divined" that markos harmless intent when calling me a racist was merely agreeing with me, not meant to be a personal attack.
the sad part is he thinks he is cleverly dodging and weaving, but he just keeps making my points for me with everything he types.
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SneezingPenis said: they were simple yes or no questions.
you refuse to answer because you know i am right.
hick= derogatory to white people nigger= derogatory to black people
if you have any balls you will ask wiccan seeker to give you a ban.
Right, as if philosophy, sociology, and psychology can be reduced to simple "yes and no" questions.
Just because you say hick = derogatory to white people does not mean it to be true Guess what, I'm a fuckin' white person... If that's merely the case, I wear the term proudly.... Meanwhile, this hick does NOT use derogatory terms against other races.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: CosmicJoke]
#19436211 - 01/18/14 02:39 AM (10 years, 13 days ago) |
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so it isn't derogatory to white people, because you are white and don't find it offensive?
would that excuse my use of the word "nigger" if there was a black person out there that didn't find the term to be offensive?
you refuse to answer the yes or no questions because you know I am right. if you say yes to both then there is no difference between what you said and what i said. therefor meaning you should be banned as i was.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#19436213 - 01/18/14 02:41 AM (10 years, 13 days ago) |
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If someone called me a hick it would piss me off 
I don’t know I’m not one to self identify as a hick, nor would i self identify as a nigger if i were black.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#19436220 - 01/18/14 02:43 AM (10 years, 13 days ago) |
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Intentions and attentions just a weaving. I think it racist to call the south, racist.
Just words.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#19436242 - 01/18/14 03:07 AM (10 years, 13 days ago) |
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SneezingPenis said: so it isn't derogatory to white people, because you are white and don't find it offensive?
would that excuse my use of the word "nigger" if there was a black person out there that didn't find the term to be offensive?
you refuse to answer the yes or no questions because you know I am right. if you say yes to both then there is no difference between what you said and what i said. therefor meaning you should be banned as i was.
Can't keep up at this fast pace unfortunately, real life is diverting me.
I only use the term hick to describe some people who are intolerant of other people because of their race, gender, or sexual preference. In absolutely no way, shape, or form do I picture in my mind the hick in question to be white. My answer is quite simply "no". I want the term hick to equally apply the to everyone who is uncultured and insensitive, as the word is not a racially derogative term... Look it up in the fucking dictionary.
For the latter, "NO!" I don't picture ANYONE to be a nigger. I do not use ANY contemptuous terms against people because of their race, gender, or sexual preference.
Edit: Look the term nigger up in the dictionary as well.. Compare and contrast, see which is a racially derogatory term, then come back and cry about semantics.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: hTx]
#19436253 - 01/18/14 03:14 AM (10 years, 13 days ago) |
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hTx said: Intentions and attentions just a weaving. I think it racist to call the south, racist.
Just words.
Though not stated succinctly due to using the category to include itself, I'm still compelled to agree with you in this instance.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: CosmicJoke]
#19436284 - 01/18/14 03:34 AM (10 years, 13 days ago) |
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Back from my excursion, so I'll close my argument for now with this point - to me it's not rejecting socially unacceptable behavior that makes one 'racist', but the quality of that behavior. To call one out for their mannerisms by using derogatory terms in relationship to their race, gender, or sexual preference is untactful behavior. That's qualitatively different from calling one out for being culturally insensitive, in which the term hick is utterly applicable to all in reference regardless of race, gender, or sexual preference.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: CosmicJoke]
#19437749 - 01/18/14 12:46 PM (10 years, 13 days ago) |
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so it is ok to hate people as long as it is for the right reasons, or at least, not just arbitrary reasons?
plus, hick is a derogatory word towards white people.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hick http://www.feastofhateandfear.com/articles/from_aye.html http://gyral.blackshell.com/names.html
just because merriam webster doesn't explicitly say that it is derogatory doesn't mean it isn't.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#19437806 - 01/18/14 01:03 PM (10 years, 13 days ago) |
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No, they're not hating arbitrarily, I think racist, sexist, and homophobic sentiments are formed by those who are fixated on an emotional-territorial level, that of pack status or pecking order. It always perverts the functioning of reasoning, whatever threatens loss of status, and whatever invades one's "space" (including one's ideological "head space"), is a threat to such a person.
Thus, if a poor man has one status prop in his life - "I'm a white man, not a goddam nigger" or "I'm normal, not a goddam faggot" or whatever - any attempt to preach tolerance, common humanity, relativism etc. is not process logically, but through this emotional circuitry, and rejected as an attack on status (ego, social role).
To quote MtG earlier:
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Freakishly dead on.
I take a stand against socially stunted bigotry if that hasn't been made clear. My issue is with those, who as result of their prejudices, treat or view people who like different alcohol, music, clothes and cars, for example, like shit. It's not like I discern a hick or am irritated when somebody buys a budweiser at the checkout, blares country music on their pick up truck, or wears a nascar teeshirt -by all means I celebrate diversity. When such a person lacks that quality, then I see them as a hick. Of course I'd have to get to know them to make such a judgment call.
Edit: Sorry, but your user defined dictionary and compendiums of racial slurs are not credible. Try OneLook, 25 dictionaries, none of which name it as an ethnic slur, thus I feel free to use the word by its defined meaning - in the sense of being provincial (narrow-minded). Surely the term hick can be used as a bigoted slur to discard others for their personal tastes, and if you can prove that was my intent, then I made a mistake, was in the wrong, and truly apologize. I assure you it was not my intent, but to offend those who lack culturally progressive values, like cultural tolerance. It's not that I see people as needing to be worldly, but rather have some inkling of understanding about cultural tolerance, which is a progressive cultural value. That's enough to remove one from being thought of as a hick as I see it. Help me think of a more fitting word to offend them, and I'll use it instead henceforth. I try reasoning with them first, but if it doesn't work because questioning their values is an attack on their status, I'll draw a line in the sand and ostracize them. What else can be done?
Unsurprisingly, no definition of the term nigger described a derogatory term for some people who make rap music like eminem, take too long at the grocery store checkout, and play loud music on their car stereos (which would still be quite bigoted) , but rather a universally derogative term for all black people, and as such racist, so I'm gonna have to go with the Merriam-Webster once again. I have no doubts that somebody on urban dictionary made a response like your definition of nigger and got some up-votes. BFD.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: CosmicJoke]
#19439406 - 01/18/14 07:20 PM (10 years, 12 days ago) |
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Sorry, but your user defined dictionary and compendiums of racial slurs are not credible.
All dictionaries are "user defined". That's why they change with each new year's edition.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Diploid]
#19439447 - 01/18/14 07:33 PM (10 years, 12 days ago) |
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Diploid said: Sorry, but your user defined dictionary and compendiums of racial slurs are not credible.
All dictionaries are "user defined". That's why they change with each new year's edition.
Really? How do I go about amending the Merriam Webster? I assumed a group of lexicologists had been hired to make a verdict on what goes in, had no idea lil' ol' me could.
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Obviously, I see your point that dictionaries are now based on the way words behave in real, natural language. They often have genuine examples of the word in use. Example from Merriam-Webster:
Full Definition of HICK an unsophisticated provincial person Examples of HICK "We felt like a bunch of hicks when we went to the city for the first time."
Things change and they do get updated, but it's my impression that they are vetted by experts in lexicology. They're not like urban dictionary or the encyclopedia wikipedia in the sense that a user can create an entry. That was my point, that I have no reason to take the second definition on urban dictionary seriously because somebody was feeling sassy and made an entry and 2,500 people looking for amusement gave it a thumbs up, while 880 people gave it a thumbs down, on a site where people define expressions like dick sneeze or what have you. 
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: CosmicJoke]
#19440556 - 01/19/14 12:28 AM (10 years, 12 days ago) |
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so then, are you invalidating someones feelings who takes offense at the word hick?
"oh see, i'm not calling you a white uneducated backwoods sister-fucker, im just calling you an uneducated backwoods sister fucker" "oh see, i'm not calling you a nigger in the way that is derogatory, im just denoting that you are in fact a black person"
then we can pull out the oxford english dictionary and have our selfs a laugh montage once we explained what we truly intend the word to mean, not the generally accepted meaning of the word... because that happens all the time.
the three sources i cited all claimed that "hick" was a derogatory term towards white people. It isn't like I am making this up. like i said before, ask 10 people to picture a hick, and 10 people will picture a white guy. Just like if you ask 10 people to picture a nigger, and 10 people will picture a black guy. (or female in both those scenarios).
that makes it inherently a racial term. It has a negative connotation + it elicits the idea of a specific race.
but whatever dude, i know you aren't that stupid, you are just sweating a ban that will never come. You know what you did was the exact same thing i did. but i do believe that you think you are righteous in this. Like you honestly think that the ends justify the means as long as it goes along with whatever illogical criteria you have deluded yourself into thinking exists.
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and if you can prove that was my intent, then I made a mistake,
I have easily proven your intent, but you are in the back of the cop car saying "those aren't my drugs officer, i dont know how they got in my car". yeah, you are on that level of transparent bullshitting.
But could you prove my intent? could you prove that I have ever used the word "nigger" (in this thread) to be derogatory to black people?
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#19440594 - 01/19/14 12:37 AM (10 years, 12 days ago) |
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plus, here is a thread about a WHITE person, who is even pictured in the original post, in which you attribute the word "hick" to. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18597419/fpart/1/vc/1
here you once again use the "redundant" phrase: uncultured hick http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18035317#18035317
and here i believe you are referring to insane clown posse? (2 white guys btw) as hicks... http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18295484#18295484
so what is the score? 3-0 on this forum when using the word hick and referring to white people vs any other race.
good track record...
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#19440656 - 01/19/14 12:54 AM (10 years, 12 days ago) |
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The south WILL rise again!!!!
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#19440782 - 01/19/14 01:36 AM (10 years, 12 days ago) |
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Oh, please, if we're going to play that game, I did a search of the entire shroomery for the keywords racist and hick, and only found the term racist as an adjective to describe the noun hick. You're the first person who has made the argument that using the term hick is racist. I wonder why that is.
My theory is that people who want to justify their racist prejudices have a defense mechanism where they interpret all derogatory comments that relate to such prejudices as racist too. They get to trump such criticisms by exaggerating the directly opposing tendency that promotes social tolerance, by making them out to be no different, as if that dictionary defined term of hick now means something else about race, because the truth about being culturally backwards would produce anxiety and unacceptable emotions.
Look the word nigger up in www.onelookup.com ; You'll get 25 dictionaries, all of which will state that the word nigger is a disparaging term used against black people, I assure you of it. Those same say nothing of race for the term hick, you'd think at least one official dictionary would reference race if there was truth to it. Perhaps in your reality tunnel it's uncommon to use a standard dictionary, but for those of us that value education over urban street slanguage, it holds no such connotation.
Post #1 we have a father who hit and runs with his child in the back seat, repeated DUI offender. Repeated DUIs and hit and runs with children in the car all socially unacceptable, not even comparable to buying a 40 with change and listening to loud rap music. Post #2 we have have people addicted to meth (uncertain of their race) who trash their landlord's houses, making them unsafe for inhabitation, which is also totally socially unacceptable and not even comparable to being disgusted at somebody because they drive an Impala. Post number three we have a band that not only raps with incredibly bigoted, homophobic lyrics but also that science is 'magic' in a country where only 1/3 of high school students take physics. Uncultured hicks, redundant perhaps, but an added adjective for emphasis does not worry me.
Those are my three posts outside of this thread where I've used the word hick.
Curiosity got the best of me and I decided to similarly stalk you and your entire post history to see how you really use such contemptuous terms, of which there are more than several hundred, some real gems I've gotten enough SneezingPenis for one life time, no desire to speak with you further. By all means, if you're so confident that I need to be reprimanded as you had been, take it up with a mod. I'll deal with them, but won't be back to read your response.

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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: CosmicJoke]
#19440875 - 01/19/14 02:06 AM (10 years, 12 days ago) |
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the south is racist because the doctrine of white supremacy was taught to poor farmers by wealthy plantation owners in order to secure public approval of slavery. the "planter aristocracy" had such a hold that they controlled the newspapers as well as what was taught in schools in the antebellum south. this propaganda campaign was so successful that it also motivated southerners to fight in the confederate army. admittedly, this was not the only reason why the south revolted, but white supremacy was definitely a major motivating factor. racism in the south today is a holdover from the civil war.
that and people are naturally inclined to fear and hate what isn't like them.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: millzy]
#19441091 - 01/19/14 04:10 AM (10 years, 12 days ago) |
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so 23 pages....
so far we have:
no answer for why "nigger" is a bad word other than "because it says so in the dictionary". conversely, any word not explicitly labelled as derogatory by a dictionary absolves the user of the term from any liability regarding hurting peoples feelings, as well as absolves the user, regardless of intent, of being guilty of racist tendencies.
no logical explanation as to why: when race is the only difference between 2 people doing something and being thought of differently, is not a racist concept.
nobody objected to my position that anti-racism is far more damaging than actual racism- on a tangible and intangible level.
and wiccan seeker bans people for trying to have civil and honest discourse about race and racism.
that about right?
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#19442398 - 01/19/14 12:43 PM (10 years, 12 days ago) |
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I don't think the word hick specifically refers to white people. I've lived all over the country, including the dirty south, and "hick" has always referred to people who live in rural areas and aren't very knowledgeable about the greater outside world. Here in Southern California, when I think of a hick, he's Mexican.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Mr Person]
#19442614 - 01/19/14 01:35 PM (10 years, 11 days ago) |
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The political correct movement has always operated on a double standard, it's wrong to be critical of everyone except white men.
White men are the enemy of the PC movement, in their minds every problem in the world is because of them, so it's completely OK to call them any derogatory name.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#19450614 - 01/20/14 11:43 PM (10 years, 10 days ago) |
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SneezingPenis said: so it is ok to hate people as long as it is for the right reasons, or at least, not just arbitrary reasons?
Depends, are you pro- hating or anti- hating? 
If you're pro- hating, then all types of hating is OK. If you're anti- hating, then only hating haters is OK. You better not be a hater!
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: dustinthewind13]
#19454768 - 01/21/14 08:31 PM (10 years, 9 days ago) |
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i asked some black friends last night if it was racist to wish a black person "happy MLK day!".
they all said no, regardless of whether or not the person was white.
yeah, just so you all know, I got my buddy jamaal who i run all my racist thoughts across. sometimes he gets upset and sometimes he agrees with me, but we have mutual respect for each other.
I think on some level he enjoys my rants on racism because when he asks me a question like "have you ever called someone a nigger in traffic" (or whatever racial topic we are currently on) i tell him the unabashed truth. I am not proud of being a modern day racist, but rather indifferent to it... I feel the same way about it as my dislike of black olives.
That is what separates me from a true racist, or the latent "white apologist" racist-- I am willing to talk about it openly and unabashedly. See, I have made zero actions in my life that have harmed or subjugated any black people based (in any amount) on racism. Ultimately, you have to wade into the ridiculous to try and chastise me for my thoughts.... and what is the difference between me disliking black olives or black culture?
why does this one issue stick out so much? it is acceptable to dislike almost anyone for any reason, except when it comes to even catching a whiff of being race adjacent... but it goes even further. If i had to grade the following (loose) groups of people on a scale of 1-10 with 10 being the most severe reaction to perceived discrimination it would go:
black people -10 retards-9 jews-8 poor people-6 asians-4 mexicans-3 arabs-2 fat people-1
why does that happen? I suggest we perform a study/test. where we go into randomly picked forums (outside of the shroomery) and casually (not emphatically or vehemently) work in various racial epithets and gauge the various reactions of each word on these groups. I will bet my car that "nigger" gets 10-1 reaction than any other racial slur.
i. keep. asking. it. and still no one has a plausible answer. why does nigger have so much charge on it? chinks made the railroads, gooks fought us in war, pinko's almost fought us, wetbacks/beaners steal our jobs (im just playing devils racist advocate here, these are not my views on such things, but rather a caricature of modern sentiments), jews run the media, jews have all the money, faggots give everyone AIDs and ruin marriage, ragheads and sandniggers always gotta bomb shit, brazillians fart on cakes and canadians are boring (running out of steam here...) but you get my point... it seems that all racial slurs are rooted in equally cringeworthy acts and are still be proselytized just as much, or even more in the case of arabs, yet "nigger" still wears the crown of the ultimate taboo. why?
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#19479929 - 01/27/14 02:50 AM (10 years, 4 days ago) |
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Just had a conversation with my brother about this douchebag that was black. The dude is manipulative and sadistic (and whatnot) and tried to get in touch with my brother for whatever reason I don't know cuz he doesn't know him and never met him (he was probably plotting something against me as he does with everyone else… nobody likes him seriously… but don't get me wrong… I've met a lot of black people that I love more than most white people I know and I know much more white people… i'd suck their dick seriously… but this dude… makes you want to beat him up with a baseball bat… anyway before I get carried away… my brother reminded me of this video… the way I was describing the dude and how I was saying that I have nothing against black people but that this dude gets on my nerve… well he immediately got the association to these two videos… watching this video again made me grasp what you were saying more… but I would in no way consider this black culture… from all the black people I met I can't find any common pattern between them that is considered black culture… they were either douches or not just like any race...
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#19480560 - 01/27/14 09:46 AM (10 years, 4 days ago) |
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SneezingPenis said: so it is ok to hate people as long as it is for the right reasons, or at least, not just arbitrary reasons?
Depends, are you pro- hating or anti- hating? 
If you're pro- hating, then all types of hating is OK. If you're anti- hating, then only hating haters is OK. You better not be a hater! 
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SneezingPenis said: i asked some black friends last night if it was racist to wish a black person "happy MLK day!".
they all said no, regardless of whether or not the person was white.
yeah, just so you all know, I got my buddy jamaal who i run all my racist thoughts across. sometimes he gets upset and sometimes he agrees with me, but we have mutual respect for each other.
I think on some level he enjoys my rants on racism because when he asks me a question like "have you ever called someone a nigger in traffic" (or whatever racial topic we are currently on) i tell him the unabashed truth. I am not proud of being a modern day racist, but rather indifferent to it... I feel the same way about it as my dislike of black olives.
That is what separates me from a true racist, or the latent "white apologist" racist-- I am willing to talk about it openly and unabashedly. See, I have made zero actions in my life that have harmed or subjugated any black people based (in any amount) on racism. Ultimately, you have to wade into the ridiculous to try and chastise me for my thoughts.... and what is the difference between me disliking black olives or black culture?
why does this one issue stick out so much? it is acceptable to dislike almost anyone for any reason, except when it comes to even catching a whiff of being race adjacent... but it goes even further. If i had to grade the following (loose) groups of people on a scale of 1-10 with 10 being the most severe reaction to perceived discrimination it would go:
black people -10 retards-9 jews-8 poor people-6 asians-4 mexicans-3 arabs-2 fat people-1
why does that happen? I suggest we perform a study/test. where we go into randomly picked forums (outside of the shroomery) and casually (not emphatically or vehemently) work in various racial epithets and gauge the various reactions of each word on these groups. I will bet my car that "nigger" gets 10-1 reaction than any other racial slur.
i. keep. asking. it. and still no one has a plausible answer. why does nigger have so much charge on it? chinks made the railroads, gooks fought us in war, pinko's almost fought us, wetbacks/beaners steal our jobs (im just playing devils racist advocate here, these are not my views on such things, but rather a caricature of modern sentiments), jews run the media, jews have all the money, faggots give everyone AIDs and ruin marriage, ragheads and sandniggers always gotta bomb shit, brazillians fart on cakes and canadians are boring (running out of steam here...) but you get my point... it seems that all racial slurs are rooted in equally cringeworthy acts and are still be proselytized just as much, or even more in the case of arabs, yet "nigger" still wears the crown of the ultimate taboo. why?
Everyone is racist imo. Some are honest about it and all the rest are cowards and liars.
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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Icelander] 1
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I'm racist against some homo sapiens yea.
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