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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: teknix]
    #19339918 - 12/29/13 01:31 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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SP, do you dislike African Americans?

(Sif it needs to be asked, because he already claimed it)




I don't dislike black people because they are black. I have stated that in length multiple times in this thread. I dislike most of what black culture represents and perpetuates. It just so happens that a majority of people who represent the toxic aspects of black culture are black people.

If you are asking me if there are any black people i don't like then the answer is yes. If you are asking me if I dislike all black people, then the answer is no.

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and I don't understand why you haven't answered my previous question. Picture a white guy saying the phrase "I hate those niggers".
done it? good.
Now picture a black guy saying "I hate those niggers".

Can you honestly tell me that without having any other facts presented that the two men in those scenarios have the same demeanor in your mind? or that they meant the exact same thing when they said that phrase?

How is it not a fundamentally racist concept that a white guy saying the word "nigger" has a completely different meaning than a black person saying the word "nigger". if the only difference is race, then it is a fundamentally racist concept to think that white people shouldn't say the word "nigger".

furthermore, do you think this way because you expect less from black people? like how it is ok for the retarded kid in class to shit his pants because he is retarded? and how white people "should know better" or "be above" that shit?

that idea right there is racist to the core. I would go as far to say that the white apologists are the true racists.


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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #19339969 - 12/29/13 01:48 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I'm pretty sure I gave a response with claiming it was a distribution fallacy.

Both are wrong, are you saying two wrongs make a right?


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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #19340229 - 12/29/13 04:16 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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How is it not a fundamentally racist concept that a white guy saying the word "nigger" has a completely different meaning than a black person saying the word "nigger". if the only difference is race, then it is a fundamentally racist concept to think that white people shouldn't say the word "nigger".






Language between people cannot be simplified to meaning. There is :"name" quality ,a "nature" quality, context, and intended meaning.

"Name" is like dictionary definition.

"Nature" is like etymology

Your assumption is that the usage of an N bomb is always the same.

The modern, American etymology of nigger is that it comes from a word used to refer to slaves.

Niger (place) also has African etymological roots, that it means something closer to holy, or god. Awareness of this etymology has been popularized and used to try to de-stigmatize the word today.

word "Nigger" came from the Khemit term for 'GOD'

It is this awareness that makes it a liberating term, and term of endearment to break a stigmatic word.

People will be naturally aware if your reference of them as "niggers" does not come from a place of endearment. If your etymology is likely the American one, and not likely the older, African, endearing term.

Do you now understand why it is not racist sometimes? A word is not racist, intent is. There are plenty of people of all races who have used the word happily and safely in the presence of black people, as long as the context was right and the the audience was right.

The effect of all language is not measured by simply using it, but It's how you use it, where you use it, when you use it, why you use it, who did you use it to, etc. This goes for all words, not just an N bomb.


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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Roger Wilco]
    #19340337 - 12/29/13 05:35 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

People will be naturally aware if your reference of them as "niggers" does not come from a place of endearment. If your etymology is likely the American one, and not likely the older, African, endearing term.

And that distinction is exactly why it is racist. When you discriminate between two races, you are being racist by definition. That's what the word MEANS. Even your own argument supports SP's assertion. Asserting a difference between two people based on nothing more than the color of their skin is exactly what racist means.

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How is it not a fundamentally racist concept that a white guy saying the word "nigger" has a completely different meaning than a black person saying the word "nigger". if the only difference is race, then it is a fundamentally racist concept to think that white people shouldn't say the word "nigger".




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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: SneezingPenis] * 1
    #19340641 - 12/29/13 08:15 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I don't dislike black people because they are black. I have stated that in length multiple times in this thread. I dislike most of what black culture represents and perpetuates. It just so happens that a majority of people who represent the toxic aspects of black culture are black people.

If you are asking me if there are any black people i don't like then the answer is yes. If you are asking me if I dislike all black people, then the answer is no.






And how do you know that is what most of black culture represents and perpetuates?  Are you really so cosmopolitan to know what black culture is like over the entire world, or is it just your little slice of southern economically depressed black culture and gangster rap pop culture that we're talking about?


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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Diploid]
    #19340692 - 12/29/13 08:43 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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People will be naturally aware if your reference of them as "niggers" does not come from a place of endearment. If your etymology is likely the American one, and not likely the older, African, endearing term.

And that distinction is exactly why it is racist. When you discriminate between two races, you are being racist by definition. That's what the word MEANS. Even your own argument supports SP's assertion. Asserting a difference between two people based on nothing more than the color of their skin is exactly what racist means.

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How is it not a fundamentally racist concept that a white guy saying the word "nigger" has a completely different meaning than a black person saying the word "nigger". if the only difference is race, then it is a fundamentally racist concept to think that white people shouldn't say the word "nigger".







If that's the case I'm going to start using the word "nigger" to rebel against my black oppressors. :courtjester:


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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: dustinthewind13]
    #19340733 - 12/29/13 09:09 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

sticks and stoners. :nicesmile:


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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Icelander]
    #19340747 - 12/29/13 09:20 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah. Totally.  :beatup:


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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #19341197 - 12/29/13 11:54 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I don't dislike black people because they are black. I have stated that in length multiple times in this thread. I dislike most of what black culture represents and perpetuates. It just so happens that a majority of people who represent the toxic aspects of black culture are black people.

If you are asking me if there are any black people i don't like then the answer is yes. If you are asking me if I dislike all black people, then the answer is no.






And how do you know that is what most of black culture represents and perpetuates?  Are you really so cosmopolitan to know what black culture is like over the entire world, or is it just your little slice of southern economically depressed black culture and gangster rap pop culture that we're talking about?




american black culture... jesus people, read the entire thread.


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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: teknix]
    #19341295 - 12/29/13 12:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm pretty sure I gave a response with claiming it was a distribution fallacy.

Both are wrong, are you saying two wrongs make a right?




you will have to explain to me how that is a distribution fallacy.

and wrong or right in ethical terms have no place in this discussion, since we are not discussing whether or not the word nigger is wrong or right.
I think you are wading in the middle of a fallacy of assumption.


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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Diploid]
    #19341446 - 12/29/13 01:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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People will be naturally aware if your reference of them as "niggers" does not come from a place of endearment. If your etymology is likely the American one, and not likely the older, African, endearing term.





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And that distinction is exactly why it is racist. When you discriminate between two races, you are being racist by definition.






A distinction is not a discrimination. Black people really are darker than white people. That makes them distinct from each other. I don't know why you assume distinction equates discrimination. If that was true, we couldn't use words like white or black, tall short or  wide or thin without being discriminatory.

Racism is a belief set. Race + ism it mean that a person has predetermined beliefs regarding race. Racism can also be an action, If it is action, those actions are based on predetermined notions about race. The understanding that nigger can mean slave,but also can mean god is what makes it different.

A word does not always carry the same meaning.

"Smoke a fag". If you say that to a gay guy, while pressin your tounge on your cheek to imitate a dick in your mouth. this would be offensive to a gay guy.

If you said "smoke a fag" to the gay guy, and handed him a cigarette, it would not be offensive.

Somebody will be able to tell if you are using the African nature of your word, just as somebody would be able to tell the cigarette means fag.

Nigger, likewise has more than one meaning.

Diploid: I took the time to break down words into: definition, etymology, intent, and context. You did not engage my post, but you only re-reinforced your notions that to me seem to imply a word is somehow racist on it's own

The word "Nigger" has a multiple context, etymology, definition, and intent.  Could you please debunk this assessment before simply stating that you are unwilling to be accepting of it?

I know color has nothing to do it. I have Black friends that call me their nigga, and I'm white. Nigger is in the eye of the beholder.

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That's what the word MEANS. Even your own argument supports SP's assertion. Asserting a difference between two people based on nothing more than the color of their skin is exactly what racist means.






The capitalization of a word does not make it any more true.

How does my own argument support the assertion? I don't follow. Why don't you comment on my actual argument? Please do comment on the four aspects of words that I've brought up, and then justify how using a term of endearment ,"god", among friends is somehow the same as calling a stranger a "slave"?.

I'm saying that race being "the only difference" is a simplification that we can easily see past. Race is only minimal. Definition, Etymology, Intent, context all will shape the message. Tweaking the values of intent and context can totally change the meaning, and these people actually have a different definition and etymology!

The simple notion that color creates the issue, is too simple.


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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: SneezingPenis] * 1
    #19341504 - 12/29/13 01:14 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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american black culture... jesus people, read the entire thread.




Can you even define "american black culture"? Do all Black people in the USA share the same heritage or culture????

No. They don't.


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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Roger Wilco]
    #19341530 - 12/29/13 01:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

so you see no distinction between a black person calling a black person a nigger and a white person calling a black person a nigger?

lets say you are in a bar and some black guy is being loud and obnoxious and a black guy says "shut up nigger"... no one bats an eye or even cares that a black guy called another black guy a nigger. BUT it is a huge difference if a white guy told that same loud black guy to "shut up nigger".
The first scenario might even evoke a chuckle from a few people, while the second scenario would possibly create some bar room fight or angry mob riot.

the point is that all things being equal other than race creates two different conclusions is fundamentally racism.
if those two men had the exact same inflection, intent, context and decibel level when saying "shut up nigger" it would have two completely different meanings to your average person.... which is racist.

i don't know how to walk you through this any slower.

on a side note, this just hit the news....

http://www.forharriet.com/2013/12/dear-ani-difranco-supporters-you-cannot.html


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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Roger Wilco] * 2
    #19341546 - 12/29/13 01:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

A distinction is not a discrimination.

Nope. Those words are synonyms. You're picking at nits to avoid acknowledging that placing two people into two different categories based on their race alone and nothing else is what you do when you distinguish (or discriminate) between the two.

This is what the KKK does when they mentally sift groups of people into white and black. They use skin color to decide which person is "good" and which isn't. There is no difference between the race-based sorting of the group you're doing and the KKK's.

I took the time to break down words into: definition, etymology, intent, and context.

So what? Distinguishing between two people based purely on their race is the definition of racism. Since no one can read minds, intent in impossible to discern. And context changes based on the point of view.

You're blowing fluff to avoid the fact that the word racism means to look two otherwise similar people and assign different meaning to the white one and the black one. That is what racism is and no amount of long-winded obfuscation and hand waving on your part changes that.


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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Diploid]
    #19341564 - 12/29/13 01:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Nah, you're missing the element of superiority in the definition of racist and racism.

I can be different from someone and acknowledge those differences without discriminating.

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the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or things, esp. on the grounds of race, age, or sex.






You can pretend your blanket definitions apply, but that is intellectually dishonest.


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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: Roger Wilco]
    #19341571 - 12/29/13 01:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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american black culture... jesus people, read the entire thread.




Can you even define "american black culture"? Do all Black people in the USA share the same heritage or culture????

No. They don't.




yes, i can define american black culture. can you tell me a distinction between PNW black american culture and New England black american culture? doubtful.
can you tell me a distinction between black american culture and the black culture of various african nations?

see, you have been conditioned to believe that thinking or saying anything bad about black people is a bad thing, and doubly compounded by being such a vile thing as a racist... but you don't know why. why is it not ok to dislike black people. what universal truth can you offer that invalidates my position of disliking a certain demographic? tell me why my "racism" is wrong.

See, the word "nigger" has reached Level: Taboo. It is almost on the level of incest, cannibalism, bestiality and necrophilia. but these things have an actual risk involved: retarded offspring, Kuru, STD's/death by hindquarter kick, or a thousand complications that can arise from fucking dead tissue.
but there is no logical reason for "Nigger" to evoke the same response from people that telling them "i fuck my mother" should.


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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #19341615 - 12/29/13 01:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

When and why would you ever say "nigger" to another person?

It's most often not a positively loaded word, nor is whore, that's why I don't say it.

Sloppy cultures with no manners - "nigga, I fucked this dumb bitch yesterday...".


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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #19341623 - 12/29/13 01:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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so you see no distinction between a black person calling a black person a nigger and a white person calling a black person a nigger?

lets say you are in a bar and some black guy is being loud and obnoxious and a black guy says "shut up nigger"... no one bats an eye or even cares that a black guy called another black guy a nigger. BUT it is a huge difference if a white guy told that same loud black guy to "shut up nigger".
The first scenario might even evoke a chuckle from a few people, while the second scenario would possibly create some bar room fight or angry mob riot.

the point is that all things being equal other than race creates two different conclusions is fundamentally racism.
if those two men had the exact same inflection, intent, context and decibel level when saying "shut up nigger" it would have two completely different meanings to your average person.... which is racist.





The point is, not all things are equal! Never have been, never will be! The American etymology of nigger is that of the slave.

If I was newly in a wheelchair, and another wheelchair'd person called me "Ironside", I would know he would have a conceptual grounding in what it was like to be in my position, so I would not assume him to be ostracizing me.

This is the same when saying nigger, It implies: lower class, dog like, slavery!

If one black person says it to another, there is the intuition that they also have roots and threats of being treated as a second class citizen even today. The common blackness assumes a common conceptual ground of what it would be like to be in each others position, Just like our wheelchaired friends.

When I had long hair, I would say to various male long haired strangers: "cut your hair!" They would turn around looking pissed off or surprised, but then when they saw another long hair giving them a smile, they knew I shared their understanding, and as strangers we had laughs.






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i don't know how to walk you through this any slower.





Your presuming that this conversation isn't ending and people aren't submitting to your ideas because they are slow. I personally understand you notions, I just see them as very over simplified; they appear to willfully ignore much of realty. I don't mind taking a broader look.


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Re: have you ever wondered why the south is racist? [Re: liquidlounge]
    #19341640 - 12/29/13 01:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

why shouldn't i say "nigger" to someone?

why do you believe that is a rule? how did "do not say nigger if you are white" become a rule?

Do i get to pick some words I can be justifiably pissed about if someone uses them in my presence?


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    #19341696 - 12/29/13 02:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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so you see no distinction between a black person calling a black person a nigger and a white person calling a black person a nigger?

lets say you are in a bar and some black guy is being loud and obnoxious and a black guy says "shut up nigger"... no one bats an eye or even cares that a black guy called another black guy a nigger. BUT it is a huge difference if a white guy told that same loud black guy to "shut up nigger".
The first scenario might even evoke a chuckle from a few people, while the second scenario would possibly create some bar room fight or angry mob riot.

the point is that all things being equal other than race creates two different conclusions is fundamentally racism.
if those two men had the exact same inflection, intent, context and decibel level when saying "shut up nigger" it would have two completely different meanings to your average person.... which is racist.





The point is, not all things are equal! Never have been, never will be! The American etymology of nigger is that of the slave.

If I was newly in a wheelchair, and another wheelchair'd person called me "Ironside", I would know he would have a conceptual grounding in what it was like to be in my position, so I would not assume him to be ostracizing me.

This is the same when saying nigger, It implies: lower class, dog like, slavery!

If one black person says it to another, there is the intuition that they also have roots and threats of being treated as a second class citizen even today. The common blackness assumes a common conceptual ground of what it would be like to be in each others position, Just like our wheelchaired friends.

When I had long hair, I would say to various male long haired strangers: "cut your hair!" They would turn around looking pissed off or surprised, but then when they saw another long hair giving them a smile, they knew I shared their understanding, and as strangers we had laughs.






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i don't know how to walk you through this any slower.





Your presuming that this conversation isn't ending and people aren't submitting to your ideas because they are slow. I personally understand you notions, I just see them as very over simplified; they appear to willfully ignore much of realty. I don't mind taking a broader look.




ok, i think you grasp the concept, but you are unable to connect the two ideas.
If you assume that my intent in using the word "nigger" means "slave dog" only because I am white, then that is racism. plain and simple. you have made a distinction/assumption of other things based solely on my skin color.
that is no different than me thinking "this black guy on a bike probably stole it". My "logic" in that is that I am extrapolating opinions about this person based solely on the color of their skin. Just as you would be extrapolating opinions about a white person saying nigger based solely on the color of his skin.

that. is. racism.

plain and simple.


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