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Re: Chromatic VS Diatonic Instruments [Re: memes]
#19261656 - 12/11/13 05:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Shweet. Got any pics?
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Re: Chromatic VS Diatonic Instruments [Re: psi]
#19261692 - 12/11/13 05:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah, we'd like to see pics. Haha.
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Re: Chromatic VS Diatonic Instruments [Re: psi]
#19261702 - 12/11/13 05:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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just the quick one i snapped on my cell at the shop
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Re: Chromatic VS Diatonic Instruments [Re: memes]
#19261781 - 12/11/13 06:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Cool man that looks awesome.
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GreyMorph said: So what would be the key differences between an Irish flute and that Vivaldi that guy makes? Just the timbre and what it's made out of? That's what I don't get, there is no information out there to compare simple system flutes...
I was reading the description of that Vivaldi one and it says it's tuned in harmonic minor, which is not a mode of the western diatonic scale. It's the same as Aeolian (aka natural minor) except the seventh note of the scale is a semitone higher. Say it was A harmonic minor, instead of ABCDEFGA it would go ABCDEFG#A. The gap from the F to the G# is a tone and a half. I guess the question is what other notes are doable outside that scale. If G natural (in the example) is doable somehow then you could play Western modes.
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Re: Chromatic VS Diatonic Instruments [Re: psi]
#19261869 - 12/11/13 06:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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the whole "7th, flat dimished 6th, key of G to the C power" shit makes me go crazy. ive been playing music since 7th grade, am 27 now, and still havent taken the time to decipher all that shit.
i can make music. i know what sounds good. my ear is strong. my brain must not be.
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Re: Chromatic VS Diatonic Instruments [Re: psi]
#19262908 - 12/11/13 09:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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psi said: Cool man that looks awesome.
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GreyMorph said: So what would be the key differences between an Irish flute and that Vivaldi that guy makes? Just the timbre and what it's made out of? That's what I don't get, there is no information out there to compare simple system flutes...
I was reading the description of that Vivaldi one and it says it's tuned in harmonic minor, which is not a mode of the western diatonic scale. It's the same as Aeolian (aka natural minor) except the seventh note of the scale is a semitone higher. Say it was A harmonic minor, instead of ABCDEFGA it would go ABCDEFG#A. The gap from the F to the G# is a tone and a half. I guess the question is what other notes are doable outside that scale. If G natural (in the example) is doable somehow then you could play Western modes.
Thanks. I guess I'll just start out on a traditional Irish flute until I gain more experience and then maybe ill branch out to different varieties of flutes or maybe ill add keys, we will see in a few years, haha. I'm going to be starting a small instrument collection in the mean time. Of traditional instruments. Ill start with basic models then as my experience grows ill have to treat myself to handmade instruments like the Vivaldi and yes, that guy who makes them is looney but he's cool in my book, he makes a great flute from what I can tell.
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Re: Chromatic VS Diatonic Instruments [Re: memes]
#19265127 - 12/12/13 10:18 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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memes said: the whole "7th, flat dimished 6th, key of G to the C power" shit makes me go crazy. ive been playing music since 7th grade, am 27 now, and still havent taken the time to decipher all that shit.
i can make music. i know what sounds good. my ear is strong. my brain must not be.

Yeah there's a fairly steep learning curve with a lot of the terminology, I found I had to convert the information to numbers and fretboard patterns to make sense of it when I was doing a lot of reading on theory. A lot I've forgotten since from lack of use. People who are really good with the theory can look at a complex chord name and know which obscure scale goes with it, but other people just have an intuitive sense of which notes go with which chords without knowing the terms.
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Re: Chromatic VS Diatonic Instruments [Re: psi]
#19265427 - 12/12/13 11:53 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I wish I had that gift, haha.
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Re: Chromatic VS Diatonic Instruments [Re: GreySatyr]
#20246734 - 07/09/14 08:52 AM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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Basically, a diatonic instrument only has the notes of the scale it is tuned to. So, for example, a diatonic C harmonica, only has the notes contained in the c major scale. There are no "wrong" notes on a diatonic instrument, any note you play, will sound at least kinda right, because all the notes you CAN play are appropriate to the scale.
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Re: Chromatic VS Diatonic Instruments [Re: DiezenPDX]
#20246783 - 07/09/14 09:07 AM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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DiezenPDX said: Basically, a diatonic instrument only has the notes of the scale it is tuned to. So, for example, a diatonic C harmonica, only has the notes contained in the c major scale. There are no "wrong" notes on a diatonic instrument, any note you play, will sound at least kinda right, because all the notes you CAN play are appropriate to the scale.
A diatonic C harmonica also contains a G scale. This is achieved by playing what is known as cross-harp.
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All of the notes in G major are also in C except the F#.
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Re: Chromatic VS Diatonic Instruments [Re: psi]
#20247032 - 07/09/14 10:17 AM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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psi said: All of the notes in G major are also in C except the F#.
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Yeah the "circle of fifths" is handy for keeping track of those relationships, when two notes are right next to each other in the circle of fifths then their major scales will differ by only one note. The F scale is the other major scale that has all but one note in common with C, with a B flat instead of a B.
C G D A E B F#/Gb C#/Db G#/Ab D#/Eb A#/Bb F C
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