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The Earth's Conscious
    #19249874 - 12/09/13 12:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

So after a dose of mescaline I was thinking about the planet and how interesting the stages of life are. It's crazy to think what might have drove molecules to become attracted to each other to form RNA/DNA and amino acids. I find that profound in its own right. Maybe since there are moles upon moles upon moles of atoms on the planet it isn't that unlikely, but what process made them form the intricate structure of a helix/double helix?

But what if it was our planet's way of stabilizing/protecting itself? What if the planet somehow knew what it was doing and manifested consciousness into these complex molecular arrangements? What if we are the consciousness of our planet?

I don't know if I believe it, but it certainly makes me want to appreciate this world more.


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Re: The Earth's Conscious [Re: LittleDaddy]
    #19250056 - 12/09/13 01:05 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Even more interesting is that almost 100% of life on earth uses the L- isomer of amino acids when the D- isomer is just as available and useful for the same life purpose.

I don't see why the earth would need to create consciousness. Actually, I think it would be much better off without conscious beings.


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Re: The Earth's Conscious [Re: K1ngSp4de]
    #19250129 - 12/09/13 01:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Even more interesting is that almost 100% of life on earth uses the L- isomer of amino acids when the D- isomer is just as available and useful for the same life purpose.

I don't see why the earth would need to create consciousness. Actually, I think it would be much better off without conscious beings.




Maybe I'll get to that in my bio 212 class.

I see what you're saying and this is why I don't agree with the revelation, but I think that we may start benefiting the planet in the future. Things are taking a turn for the better - slowly but surely.


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Re: The Earth's Conscious [Re: LittleDaddy]
    #19250132 - 12/09/13 01:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

constant in concept is the reason of superiority or the way .. that is how objective matters a lot in terms of superiority ..
what is constant is real physically, what is real is relating different constant value of being then reality of plural beings fact, what is common cannot be of any being there, why superiority is the answer then to conceive a relation which reality share would be a reality of each still constant being with that superior point up concept, that would become more the present constant and less still, while what is not common share with that present become less constant and more free... so it is always like that, and it is true .. that is how truth is first before existence, all is hundred percent completely known while nothing moving, or what is moving is less known then what is still not aware of being clear

then existence is freedom value from constancy end .. that is how plural freedom exist .. and freedom is always a superior point in concept of being ..

but that is why too we say, where are truth rights of being existing first ?? because freedom is not only out of constancy end fact,  something totally new, or add to truth of the place known well.. but freedom or existence is also the constant beings ends .. so it is the right of what is already there constant thing the right of true superiority.. like it doesn't seem right, that you run to have fun everywhere as having nothing to do because all is done already .. when what contribute for the end free fact  by being still right must stay without being free happy too ...

you don't think of those things but it is all known from ways before .. I mean it looks like it is meant that you cannot care about those stuffs because it is all and any from ever to always more the only matter source.. the ethics of being of seeing of meaning the ethics of present in making something else rights.. all and any out of truth values..

when truth is based on the best concepts possible, like superiority and being free .. then any and all is abstract ethics ways

how everyone seem the opposite especially gods ?? that is why I say it must be meant to throw in garbage all what cant make anything right

but then we are included in that garbage.. it is sad to be now and disgusting..


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Re: The Earth's Conscious [Re: LittleDaddy]
    #19250148 - 12/09/13 01:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I think the entire Universe is conscious. It's what I call God. In Hinduism, It's known as Brahman.

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In Hinduism, Brahman (ब्रह्मन् brahman) is "the unchanging reality amidst and beyond the world", which "cannot be exactly defined". It has been described in Sanskrit as Sat-cit-ānanda (being-consciousness-bliss) and as the highest reality.

According to Advaita, a liberated human being (jivanmukta) has realised Brahman as his or her own True Self.





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Re: The Earth's Conscious [Re: Space Elf]
    #19250304 - 12/09/13 02:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I think the entire Universe is conscious. It's what I call God. In Hinduism, It's known as Brahman.

this is a lie.. it is impossible what is constant is not conscious only freedom is conscious because freedom exist in concept, so actualizing a relative free sense is conscious realizations of else rights ..

that is how what is still is abused like a thing inferiority that can be possessed

the universe is still reality so never conscious realizations

being objective is not being an object thing

being objective is free else right realizations, which always end with free positive add sense while the object stay still the same, even if more surrounded by plural else freedoms or free wills

that is how the universe will die one day for sure.. but freedom will always exist it is the existing true matter


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Re: The Earth's Conscious [Re: absols]
    #19250339 - 12/09/13 02:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It's a lie? When I said "I think," I was lying? I really don't think that? What do I think?


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Re: The Earth's Conscious [Re: Space Elf]
    #19250461 - 12/09/13 02:38 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

try listening to Pink Floyd :-)

they might have the answer :wink:


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Re: The Earth's Conscious [Re: LittleDaddy]
    #19251058 - 12/09/13 04:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Interesting, thought-provoking OP.

I'm really intrigued about the apparent complexity of the universe.  I mean...  why is it that complex?  Or... is it really very simple but my complicated brain is misreading it as "complicated"?

What purpose is served in nature by life possessing the (apparently) super-complicated chemical/molecular structure it has? 

(A free trip to Bermuda to anyone who provides definitive answers to the above.)


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Re: The Earth's Conscious [Re: all this beauty]
    #19251250 - 12/09/13 05:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Interesting, thought-provoking OP.

I'm really intrigued about the apparent complexity of the universe.  I mean...  why is it that complex?  Or... is it really very simple but my complicated brain is misreading it as "complicated"?

What purpose is served in nature by life possessing the (apparently) super-complicated chemical/molecular structure it has? 

(A free trip to Bermuda to anyone who provides definitive answers to the above.)




I find that complexity is irrelevant to nature.

It's incredible how things work the way they do because of these chemical structures. What's I find even more astounding is that consciousness can manifest itself in these chemical structures.

\I think consciousness is kind of like the lifestream in Final Fantasy 7 if you will haha. I think the nonphysical universe is composed of consciousness and that is what dictates the physical realm. That maybe this collection of consciousness is God and that God is therefore all of us when we become enlightened.

As for the purpose.. I don't know. Maybe to compose a universe of complete good.


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Re: The Earth's Conscious [Re: LittleDaddy]
    #19251647 - 12/09/13 06:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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As for the purpose.. I don't know. Maybe to compose a universe of complete good.



Seems that way to me, too.

Detecting "benevolence" in the universe is a no-no among some thinkers in this department, you know.  I've been threatened with banishment from certain Daoist internet forums for even suggesting that the way of things (the Dao) is biased in the direction of benevolence.  The "Unbiased, Neutral, Impartial, and Essentially-Uncaring Universe" is a sort of basic tenet of faith for some Eastern metaphysicians.

Well...  fuck that, I say. 

I have no interest in living in that kind of universe.  :wink:


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Re: The Earth's Conscious [Re: all this beauty]
    #19251667 - 12/09/13 06:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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As for the purpose.. I don't know. Maybe to compose a universe of complete good.



Seems that way to me, too.

Detecting "benevolence" in the universe is a no-no among some thinkers in this department, you know.  I've been threatened with banishment from certain Daoist internet forums for even suggesting that the way of things (the Dao) is biased in the direction of benevolence.  The "Unbiased, Neutral, Impartial, and Essentially-Uncaring Universe" is a sort of basic tenet of faith for some Eastern metaphysicians.

Well...  fuck that, I say. 

I have no interest in living in that kind of universe.  :wink:




Why do you think the Universe is biased towards benevolence?

Both benevolence and malevolence are just concepts that we, as humans, apply onto an uncaring world IMO.


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Re: The Earth's Conscious [Re: deCypher]
    #19251833 - 12/09/13 06:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Why do you think the Universe is biased towards benevolence?

Both benevolence and malevolence are just concepts that we, as humans, apply onto an uncaring world IMO.



A valid perspective.  As a matter of fact, if you visit any of the Daoist internet forums out there, you'll find that that's the prevailing perspective.

It doesn't resonate with me, however.  It doesn't sing to my heart.

The game, as I see it, is rigged in the direction of benevolence.  Everything that occurs is rigged in the direction of benevolence.

My sufferings define and give shape to my joys.  Without the former, I would not know the latter.

The sufferings of the world define and give shape to the joys of the world.  You know the immense pleasure of being loving and charitable only because there is misery and suffering in the world.  Without the one, you would not know the other.

You withhold water from a plant, and it wilts.  But your natural inclination, your natural "bias," is to not withhold water.  Your natural bias is in the direction of benevolence.

This is not to diminish the horrors of the world.  They are many and they are real. 

But still, I think, there is this bias toward benevolence.


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Re: The Earth's Conscious [Re: all this beauty]
    #19252118 - 12/09/13 07:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Why do you think the Universe is biased towards benevolence?

Both benevolence and malevolence are just concepts that we, as humans, apply onto an uncaring world IMO.



A valid perspective.  As a matter of fact, if you visit any of the Daoist internet forums out there, you'll find that that's the prevailing perspective.

It doesn't resonate with me, however.  It doesn't sing to my heart.

The game, as I see it, is rigged in the direction of benevolence.  Everything that occurs is rigged in the direction of benevolence.

My sufferings define and give shape to my joys.  Without the former, I would not know the latter.

The sufferings of the world define and give shape to the joys of the world.  You know the immense pleasure of being loving and charitable only because there is misery and suffering in the world.  Without the one, you would not know the other.

You withhold water from a plant, and it wilts.  But your natural inclination, your natural "bias," is to not withhold water.  Your natural bias is in the direction of benevolence.

This is not to diminish the horrors of the world.  They are many and they are real. 

But still, I think, there is this bias toward benevolence.




Maybe that is the task of life, then - to suffer and to realize how to prosper in spite of it. Then to take the happiness you have gained into your consciousness that is not bound to the body.

That may not be a good way of saying it... maybe to suffer until one realizes true happiness through compassion and wisdom.


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Re: The Earth's Conscious [Re: LittleDaddy]
    #19252231 - 12/09/13 08:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Even more interesting is that almost 100% of life on earth uses the L- isomer of amino acids when the D- isomer is just as available and useful for the same life purpose.

I don't see why the earth would need to create consciousness. Actually, I think it would be much better off without conscious beings.




Maybe I'll get to that in my bio 212 class.

I see what you're saying and this is why I don't agree with the revelation, but I think that we may start benefiting the planet in the future. Things are taking a turn for the better - slowly but surely.





I think you are totally wrong and things are getting really bad due to the sum total human actions.


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Re: The Earth's Conscious [Re: all this beauty]
    #19252278 - 12/09/13 08:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Why do you think the Universe is biased towards benevolence?

Both benevolence and malevolence are just concepts that we, as humans, apply onto an uncaring world IMO.



It doesn't resonate with me, however.  It doesn't sing to my heart.




Possibly, but I've always been in favor of searching for the truth, no matter how unpleasant it may be or how much it rubs me the wrong way.  :shrug:

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The game, as I see it, is rigged in the direction of benevolence.  Everything that occurs is rigged in the direction of benevolence.




What do you mean by 'rigged in the direction of benevolence' here?  Everything that occurs inevitably does so for the greater good of all?

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My sufferings define and give shape to my joys.  Without the former, I would not know the latter.

The sufferings of the world define and give shape to the joys of the world.  You know the immense pleasure of being loving and charitable only because there is misery and suffering in the world.  Without the one, you would not know the other.




Sure, but so do too the joys of the world define and give shape to its sufferings.  We only know the horrible agony of suffering and pain when contrasted with our previous state of happiness.  Basically, both sides of the coin define and support each other; this doesn't necessarily mean the coin is weighted.  :lol:

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You withhold water from a plant, and it wilts.  But your natural inclination, your natural "bias," is to not withhold water.  Your natural bias is in the direction of benevolence.




Whose natural bias?  Mine personally?  That of every human being?  Plenty of people out there have the natural inclination to rip the plant from the ground and shred it to bits just because they can.  Maybe the majority of humanity tilts in favor of benevolence, but I doubt it.  At any rate not every human shares this supposed natural bias.  :shrug2:

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This is not to diminish the horrors of the world.  They are many and they are real. 

But still, I think, there is this bias toward benevolence.




I'd like to believe there is.  But sadly I just don't think anything innately exists in the physical fabric of the Universe that gives a damn about us.

All life is suffering.
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Re: The Earth's Conscious [Re: Icelander]
    #19252299 - 12/09/13 08:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Even more interesting is that almost 100% of life on earth uses the L- isomer of amino acids when the D- isomer is just as available and useful for the same life purpose.

I don't see why the earth would need to create consciousness. Actually, I think it would be much better off without conscious beings.




Maybe I'll get to that in my bio 212 class.

I see what you're saying and this is why I don't agree with the revelation, but I think that we may start benefiting the planet in the future. Things are taking a turn for the better - slowly but surely.





I think you are totally wrong and things are getting really bad due to the sum total human actions.




Not just wrong, but totally wrong.

That's why the US forest size is increasing, carbon emissions are decreasing, and global warming is in headlines everywhere and everyone is at least aware of it. Once we run out of the fossil fuel supplies then it'll force carbon emissions to decrease.


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Re: The Earth's Conscious [Re: all this beauty]
    #19253786 - 12/10/13 02:49 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Interesting, thought-provoking OP.

I'm really intrigued about the apparent complexity of the universe.  I mean...  why is it that complex?  Or... is it really very simple but my complicated brain is misreading it as "complicated"?

What purpose is served in nature by life possessing the (apparently) super-complicated chemical/molecular structure it has? 

(A free trip to Bermuda to anyone who provides definitive answers to the above.)




To a child a cat is a natural thing, to a physicist a cat is an enormously complicated system

I like my cats real ;-)

just observe and enjoy ;P

sometimes thoughts can add too much abstraction
figuring it all out will never happen, before that is possible we would need to know ourselves fully
but that isnt possible either it seems, as soon as you put thoughts on the state you are off the state
and even if we had a theory of everything, we would need to empirically prove it :-P
which is not going to happen, we would have to test -it all-

science is about making predictions and testing those predictions
so we will probably never get a theory of everything, we cant know everything and verify everything

any insect, animal or plant can surprise me
try studying ants, or animals by observing them, same with plants in nature

I like to notice that we still only know 5% of the known universe (check nasa graphs)
the rest is dark energy/dark matter = no good idea what it is


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Re: The Earth's Conscious [Re: lessismore]
    #19254166 - 12/10/13 07:13 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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figuring it all out will never happen, before that is possible we would need to know ourselves fully
but that isnt possible either it seems, as soon as you put thoughts on the state you are off the state




Well, if one realizes "emptiness" and rids the false perspective they have of a constantly fluctuating "self" then one can fully understand.


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Re: The Earth's Conscious [Re: deCypher]
    #19254345 - 12/10/13 08:34 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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The game, as I see it, is rigged in the direction of benevolence.  Everything that occurs is rigged in the direction of benevolence.




What do you mean by 'rigged in the direction of benevolence' here?  Everything that occurs inevitably does so for the greater good of all?



Something like that.

No "accidents."  No "randomness."  The "direction" is always towards the greater good.  Toward beneficence.

It happens at a snail's pace.  So slowly, I think, that we misread the way things work (the Dao) as neutral, uncaring, impartial.

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My sufferings define and give shape to my joys.  Without the former, I would not know the latter.

The sufferings of the world define and give shape to the joys of the world.  You know the immense pleasure of being loving and charitable only because there is misery and suffering in the world.  Without the one, you would not know the other.




Sure, but so do too the joys of the world define and give shape to its sufferings.  We only know the horrible agony of suffering and pain when contrasted with our previous state of happiness.  Basically, both sides of the coin define and support each other; this doesn't necessarily mean the coin is weighted.  :lol:



I think the coin is weighted.  This makes me a terrible Daoist, I know.  And probably a lousy Buddhist. 

I'm not a theist, though -- so I wouldn't / couldn't even begin to guess how or why the coin is weighted as it is.

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You withhold water from a plant, and it wilts.  But your natural inclination, your natural "bias," is to not withhold water.  Your natural bias is in the direction of benevolence.




Whose natural bias?  Mine personally?  That of every human being?  Plenty of people out there have the natural inclination to rip the plant from the ground and shred it to bits just because they can.  Maybe the majority of humanity tilts in favor of benevolence, but I doubt it.  At any rate not every human shares this supposed natural bias.  :shrug2:



I think the natural human tendency is to do what is most useful and sustaining. 

As we age, our brains, our consciousnesses, whatever, take on bad habits -- and we make bad judgments. 

If I mug you in the street, I'm making a terrible, terrible mistake in judgment.  I'm much better off in the world having you as friend rather than enemy.  My natural human tendency is to treat you with respect and kindness because that's the optimal behavior for me as a human being.

When we act in a natural, uncontrived way (Philosophical Daoists refer to this as the "uncarved block"), we naturally do what is most optimal.  We treat each other and the environment with honor and respect.


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Re: The Earth's Conscious [Re: LittleDaddy]
    #19254887 - 12/10/13 11:19 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Even more interesting is that almost 100% of life on earth uses the L- isomer of amino acids when the D- isomer is just as available and useful for the same life purpose.

I don't see why the earth would need to create consciousness. Actually, I think it would be much better off without conscious beings.




Maybe I'll get to that in my bio 212 class.

I see what you're saying and this is why I don't agree with the revelation, but I think that we may start benefiting the planet in the future. Things are taking a turn for the better - slowly but surely.





I think you are totally wrong and things are getting really bad due to the sum total human actions.




Not just wrong, but totally wrong.

That's why the US forest size is increasing, carbon emissions are decreasing, and global warming is in headlines everywhere and everyone is at least aware of it. Once we run out of the fossil fuel supplies then it'll force carbon emissions to decrease.





Carbon emissions are decreasing????  World wide?  Hardly. 

Anyway for each one of those paltry little illusions of awakening I'll give dozens of pieces of evidence of man's callous destructiveness. 

People recycle too. And then drive to the corner market to get more things to recycle. :lol:


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Re: The Earth's Conscious [Re: Icelander]
    #19255001 - 12/10/13 11:47 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Carbon emissions are decreasing????  World wide?  Hardly. 

Anyway for each one of those paltry little illusions of awakening I'll give dozens of pieces of evidence of man's callous destructiveness. 

People recycle too. And then drive to the corner market to get more things to recycle. :lol:




In 2009 carbon emissions decreased globally. I can't find any data on more recent years, so I won't be able to argue that.

Things are getting better. I didn't say things are where they're supposed to be.


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    #19255973 - 12/10/13 03:38 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I can link you to a different story.
http://news.yahoo.com/global-carbon-emissions-rise-record-2013-report-001008033.html:haha:
Global carbon emissions rise to new record in 2013 - report


LONDON (Reuters) - Global carbon dioxide emissions from burning fossil fuels will rise to a record 36 billion tonnes this year, a report by 49 researchers from 10 countries said, showing the failure of governments to rein in the main greenhouse gas blamed for global warming.

The report by the Global Carbon Project, which compiles data from research institutes worldwide each year, was published in the journal Earth Systems Data Discussions on Tuesday.

Its 2013 estimate represents a 2.1 percent gain versus 2012 and a 61 percent increase since 1990, the baseline year for the U.N.'s Kyoto Protocol, the only global agreement that places binding limits on national CO2 emission levels.

Obviously things are not getting better. :lol:


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Re: The Earth's Conscious [Re: LittleDaddy]
    #19262374 - 12/11/13 07:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

In reply to the original post, this sounds a lot like the theory of the "Noosphere."  Basically it states that all consciousness, from humans, animals, even plants -- that of Earth itself -- is linked into a collective, unified consciousness that underlies or envelops the entire biosphere.  Many mystics and psychonauts have reported tuning into this network, and sensing a unity that exists at a more fundamental level than the everyday, one which comprises all the consciousness of Earth.  For example, you could be at a (good) party and observe that all of the partygoers are behaving according to a rhythm that is somehow common to everyone and is normally beneath the surface.  Everyone is him- or herself, but there is a current guiding everyone's activity, and all are in some kind of active union.  It is very difficult to describe, and hard to see.

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    #19263257 - 12/11/13 10:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I can link you to a different story.
http://news.yahoo.com/global-carbon-emissions-rise-record-2013-report-001008033.html:haha:
Global carbon emissions rise to new record in 2013 - report


LONDON (Reuters) - Global carbon dioxide emissions from burning fossil fuels will rise to a record 36 billion tonnes this year, a report by 49 researchers from 10 countries said, showing the failure of governments to rein in the main greenhouse gas blamed for global warming.

The report by the Global Carbon Project, which compiles data from research institutes worldwide each year, was published in the journal Earth Systems Data Discussions on Tuesday.

Its 2013 estimate represents a 2.1 percent gain versus 2012 and a 61 percent increase since 1990, the baseline year for the U.N.'s Kyoto Protocol, the only global agreement that places binding limits on national CO2 emission levels.

Obviously things are not getting better. :lol:




Well, I suppose I'm wrong on the carbon emissions aspect and that you've won this argument, but let's let the future play-out and see where it goes.


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Re: The Earth's Conscious [Re: LittleDaddy]
    #19263292 - 12/11/13 10:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

If the planet truly created these complex organisms to 'protect itself', I bet she regrets it now. Fucking we humans are the single most destructive force on the planet!

Either way, while I do believe science can explain most of the biological factors of the planet, the reasons as to why will remain a mystery, but i do believe it is the powerful forces of nature!


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    #19263331 - 12/11/13 10:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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In reply to the original post, this sounds a lot like the theory of the "Noosphere."  Basically it states that all consciousness, from humans, animals, even plants -- that of Earth itself -- is linked into a collective, unified consciousness that underlies or envelops the entire biosphere.  Many mystics and psychonauts have reported tuning into this network, and sensing a unity that exists at a more fundamental level than the everyday, one which comprises all the consciousness of Earth.  For example, you could be at a (good) party and observe that all of the partygoers are behaving according to a rhythm that is somehow common to everyone and is normally beneath the surface.  Everyone is him- or herself, but there is a current guiding everyone's activity, and all are in some kind of active union.  It is very difficult to describe, and hard to see.

But that is what I thought of when I read the post.





Hmmm. I'm curious. I'll look into that and probably post a thread eventually about some of it. Thank you very much.

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If the planet truly created these complex organisms to 'protect itself', I bet she regrets it now. Fucking we humans are the single most destructive force on the planet!

Either way, while I do believe science can explain most of the biological factors of the planet, the reasons as to why will remain a mystery, but i do believe it is the powerful forces of nature!




Well, when you think about it... are we bad to the planet? Or are we just bad to the environment that thrives on the planet like Icelander has proven?

True, I think many questions will remain unanswered until we come into full contact with our consciousness - whether that be through death or enlightenment.


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    #19264200 - 12/12/13 03:35 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I can link you to a different story.
http://news.yahoo.com/global-carbon-emissions-rise-record-2013-report-001008033.html:haha:
Global carbon emissions rise to new record in 2013 - report


LONDON (Reuters) - Global carbon dioxide emissions from burning fossil fuels will rise to a record 36 billion tonnes this year, a report by 49 researchers from 10 countries said, showing the failure of governments to rein in the main greenhouse gas blamed for global warming.

The report by the Global Carbon Project, which compiles data from research institutes worldwide each year, was published in the journal Earth Systems Data Discussions on Tuesday.

Its 2013 estimate represents a 2.1 percent gain versus 2012 and a 61 percent increase since 1990, the baseline year for the U.N.'s Kyoto Protocol, the only global agreement that places binding limits on national CO2 emission levels.

Obviously things are not getting better. :lol:




Well, I suppose I'm wrong on the carbon emissions aspect and that you've won this argument, but let's let the future play-out and see where it goes.




I know how that's going to turn out too.  We are both going to be dead. :haha:


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Re: The Earth's Conscious [Re: Icelander]
    #19264599 - 12/12/13 07:38 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

haha. death has always been confirmed anyways.


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    #19264738 - 12/12/13 08:18 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

thank god


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    #19265050 - 12/12/13 09:53 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I think its the concept of survival of the fittest, and that life on earth exists because our planet is the most balanced in our solar system, and perhaps galaxy?

You see it everywhere, from nuclear fusion in stars to cellular adaptation.

I don't think we're destroying our planet, it might seem like we are heading that direction but everyone learns from mistakes, to me it seems lke we are still in a learning process finding our ways to generate clean energy, and they've found some pretty groundbreaking methods recently (solar panels, graphene, nuclear fusion, etc)

So as long as we dont end up in a nuclear war i think we have a pretty balanced relationship with earth ahead of us :thumbup:


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    #19265107 - 12/12/13 10:09 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

>>So as long as we dont end up in a nuclear war i think we have a pretty balanced relationship with earth ahead of us<<

Right on the money.


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    #19265164 - 12/12/13 10:31 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I think its the concept of survival of the fittest, and that life on earth exists because our planet is the most balanced in our solar system, and perhaps galaxy?

You see it everywhere, from nuclear fusion in stars to cellular adaptation.

I don't think we're destroying our planet, it might seem like we are heading that direction but everyone learns from mistakes, to me it seems lke we are still in a learning process finding our ways to generate clean energy, and they've found some pretty groundbreaking methods recently (solar panels, graphene, nuclear fusion, etc)

So as long as we dont end up in a nuclear war i think we have a pretty balanced relationship with earth ahead of us :thumbup:





Based on what evidence?  Our past actions. :lol:  Nuke war is only one possibility and it's not unlikely imo that we could easily include that with others like environmental degradation.


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Re: The Earth's Conscious [Re: Icelander]
    #19265202 - 12/12/13 10:49 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

We can't see the future.

Aside from the power sources you mentioned, wave energy is a possibility in Oregon.


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    #19265206 - 12/12/13 10:50 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I think its the concept of survival of the fittest, and that life on earth exists because our planet is the most balanced in our solar system, and perhaps galaxy?

You see it everywhere, from nuclear fusion in stars to cellular adaptation.

I don't think we're destroying our planet, it might seem like we are heading that direction but everyone learns from mistakes, to me it seems lke we are still in a learning process finding our ways to generate clean energy, and they've found some pretty groundbreaking methods recently (solar panels, graphene, nuclear fusion, etc)

So as long as we dont end up in a nuclear war i think we have a pretty balanced relationship with earth ahead of us :thumbup:





Based on what evidence?  Our past actions. :lol:  Nuke war is only one possibility and it's not unlikely imo that we could easily include that with others like environmental degradation.




Yes, our past actions.

I can't predict the future but looking at past epochs I think we both have equal reasons for what we think about our future.

We havent only been polluting our planet, like I said we're on the search for alternative energy sources and we've already found pretty decent ones which are becoming more and more common


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    #19265246 - 12/12/13 11:04 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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We can't see the future.

Aside from the power sources you mentioned, wave energy is a possibility in Oregon.




Interesting, I'm curious as to how effecient this method is in relation to wind energy, it seems to me that the added weight of water would account for a much bigger force than wind would


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    #19265314 - 12/12/13 11:21 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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We can't see the future.

Aside from the power sources you mentioned, wave energy is a possibility in Oregon.




There are all sorts of "possibilities" and they've been around for awhile.  The reason they are being advanced at a snails pace is that most people don't give a rats ass unless it can come in cheaper than gasoline which it can't.  If we really wanted clean energy we'd have had it long ago. 

But hey when I was a kid I believed in the goodness of mankind myself so I totally understand your position.


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    #19265320 - 12/12/13 11:23 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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We can't see the future.

Aside from the power sources you mentioned, wave energy is a possibility in Oregon.




There are all sorts of "possibilities" and they've been around for awhile.  The reason they are being advanced at a snails pace is that most people don't give a rats ass unless it can come in cheaper than gasoline which it can't.  If we really wanted clean energy we'd have had it long ago. 

But hey when I was a kid I believed in the goodness of mankind myself so I totally understand your position.




lol, your pessimism is funny.


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    #19265623 - 12/12/13 12:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

unlike your optimism :monkeydance:

I would rather call myself skeptical at least much of the time.


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    #19266063 - 12/12/13 02:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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unlike your optimism :monkeydance:

I would rather call myself skeptical at least much of the time.




Sometimes we can take skepticism too far.


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    #19266383 - 12/12/13 03:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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all this beauty said:
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As for the purpose.. I don't know. Maybe to compose a universe of complete good.



Seems that way to me, too.

Detecting "benevolence" in the universe is a no-no among some thinkers in this department, you know.  I've been threatened with banishment from certain Daoist internet forums for even suggesting that the way of things (the Dao) is biased in the direction of benevolence.  The "Unbiased, Neutral, Impartial, and Essentially-Uncaring Universe" is a sort of basic tenet of faith for some Eastern metaphysicians.

Well...  fuck that, I say. 

I have no interest in living in that kind of universe.  :wink:




Why do you think the Universe is biased towards benevolence?

Both benevolence and malevolence are just concepts that we, as humans, apply onto an uncaring world IMO.



That's an easy one. We were brought up in a specific context, which fed our bringing up :smile:
Conscious beings realize this constellation as benevolence.


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Re: The Earth's Conscious [Re: Icelander]
    #19266518 - 12/12/13 03:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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We can't see the future.

Aside from the power sources you mentioned, wave energy is a possibility in Oregon.




The reason they are being advanced at a snails pace is that most people don't give a rats ass unless it can come in cheaper than gasoline which it can't.  If we really wanted clean energy we'd have had it long ago.





Which it can't?

Energy sources like wind, solar, wave, etc. are all free energy sources unlike the search and processing of fossil fuels like you named, maybe not as efficient as fossil fuel but definitely at no cost. And as far as I know the three I mentioned are clean energy sources.

I dont think you have to only look down upon the human race and what we've done.

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    #19266965 - 12/12/13 05:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Very well said. I appreciate that input ^

We seem to get caught up talking shit on ourselves when we are learning and making advances, not as fast as possible because of greed, by what is money and value anyways? just something we throw onto an object.


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    #19267009 - 12/12/13 05:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

the earths consciousness must be pretty pissed off to create humans:shrug:


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    #19268078 - 12/12/13 09:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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unlike your optimism :monkeydance:

I would rather call myself skeptical at least much of the time.




Sometimes we can take skepticism too far.




You can never take skepticism too far imo.  And who's this "we" you're referring to? I don't have a problem here.


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the earths consciousness must be pretty pissed off to create humans:shrug:



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    #19269063 - 12/13/13 01:46 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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unlike your optimism :monkeydance:

I would rather call myself skeptical at least much of the time.




Sometimes we can take skepticism too far.




You can never take skepticism too far imo.  And who's this "we" you're referring to? I don't have a problem here.




I'm yet to hear a positive word from you :smile:

I think he's implying that you're only looking at the negative side of things rather than being rational, which I would call pessimism

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    #19269077 - 12/13/13 01:51 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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In reply to the original post, this sounds a lot like the theory of the "Noosphere."  Basically it states that all consciousness, from humans, animals, even plants -- that of Earth itself -- is linked into a collective, unified consciousness that underlies or envelops the entire biosphere.  Many mystics and psychonauts have reported tuning into this network, and sensing a unity that exists at a more fundamental level than the everyday, one which comprises all the consciousness of Earth.  For example, you could be at a (good) party and observe that all of the partygoers are behaving according to a rhythm that is somehow common to everyone and is normally beneath the surface.  Everyone is him- or herself, but there is a current guiding everyone's activity, and all are in some kind of active union.  It is very difficult to describe, and hard to see.

But that is what I thought of when I read the post.



This theme seems to permeate my psychedelic experiences during the heavier dosages. 
Consciousness, this ineffable side effect of existence, does seem to run far outside ourselves.  The feeling always ends up going unmentioned while among a group of trippers for me.  Talking about it out loud only serves to cheapen it it some way personally.
The idea that the earth is somehow tied together consciously echoes in some of the ayahuasceros maps of hyperspace. 
It almost makes you wonder if there are other planets' consciousness' out there.:zoom:


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unlike your optimism :monkeydance:

I would rather call myself skeptical at least much of the time.




Sometimes we can take skepticism too far.




You can never take skepticism too far imo.  And who's this "we" you're referring to? I don't have a problem here.




I'm yet to hear a positive word from you :smile:





Icelander is a good guy; you just gotta get to know him. He's a true hippie, from the psychedelic era. He knows a lot about mysticism and 'enlightenment.' I've seen that side of him before.


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    #19269227 - 12/13/13 03:02 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Icelander is a good guy; you just gotta get to know him. He's a true hippie, from the psychedelic era. He knows a lot about mysticism and 'enlightenment.' I've seen that side of him before.




You are probably right, I have only been around for a couple of days.
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    #19269233 - 12/13/13 03:06 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Hehe, don't worry about it, buddy! :grin: It took me a longgggg time to realize that about Icelander. :lol: Knowing Icelander, he's probably gonna come in here and deny what I just told you. :lol:


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    #19270278 - 12/13/13 11:15 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You hit in right on the nail Psychaesthetics about what I was saying about Icelander. And I have yet to see that side of him as well, but his information refuted mine, so I'm thankful for that.

TheGreenArrow, I find that any dose I undergo the more I feel this myself. Maybe these substances make you feel this consciousness and if we were to take another living planet's psychedelics we could feel its consciousness... pretty weird thought. haha or maybe psychedelics are geared to make us feel closer to nature. either way, I'm on board!  :etjesus:


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