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redrocket
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whats wrong with my peyotes? pics
#19249644 - 12/09/13 11:23 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hey guys, two days ago i bought a bunch of peyote clusters over the internet for a great price but they are all shrunken and flat. It's full winter here so i'm afraid to water them. They feel normal, not soft. Are they having a winter sleep, should i put them in bigger pots? Help me out please, i'm a total noob with cacti.





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Re: whats wrong with my peyotes? pics [Re: redrocket]
#19249709 - 12/09/13 11:39 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Wow their beautiful although I can see what look to be some issues but I don't know much about growing cacti I'm still learning. So how old are they and how did you take care of them to get them that big?
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Magicman69
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Re: whats wrong with my peyotes? pics [Re: spaceman101]
#19249774 - 12/09/13 11:55 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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He said he bought them two days ago online.
Edited by Magicman69 (12/09/13 11:57 AM)
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Re: whats wrong with my peyotes? pics [Re: redrocket]
#19249871 - 12/09/13 12:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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They look normal to me for plants that haven't been watered in a while. If they're in a cool location without supplemental lighting then don't water them until it gets warm again, cold and damp conditions invite rot. They look like they're in a peat heavy mix which is not ideal for keeping them from having wet feet.
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intelligentlife
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Re: whats wrong with my peyotes? pics [Re: psi]
#19250905 - 12/09/13 04:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Do not do anything before first warm spring days. No need to repot nor water.
I don't see anything wrong of them. nice caespitose plants. 
If temps are about +20C you can spray VERY SMALL amount of water to their skin but not much, very very very small mist of water is not killing them at dormancy, I do same just for sake to keep mites away, they hate moist.
Anyway, don't panic and do anything, let them be at their pots. That size cactus can be without water many months more, wait till hot spring or summer day comes, then water small amount first and later on give them a good amount of water two-three weeks later after first wake up watering.
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Do you worry about water sitting in the cracks and folds causing rust or rot while in dormancy?
Nice group OP
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redrocket
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Ok thanks everybody. This morning i accidently knocked over two, they fell on the ground and a parts of the roots were ripped off goddamnit, i'm so clumsy sometimes, hope they will be ok. Right now i have them in front of a window with much light above the heater. Is that a good place or are they better off in a colder room? They might look big on the photos but the pots are only 3.3 inch.
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Re: whats wrong with my peyotes? pics [Re: redrocket]
#19253895 - 12/10/13 04:34 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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redrocket said: Ok thanks everybody. This morning i accidently knocked over two, they fell on the ground and a parts of the roots were ripped off goddamnit, i'm so clumsy sometimes, hope they will be ok. Right now i have them in front of a window with much light above the heater. Is that a good place or are they better off in a colder room? They might look big on the photos but the pots are only 3.3 inch.
Get them away from heat source, they don't need it. If you can move them to +10C temps with dry roots they do fine over winter without any care.
Just remember when you move lohps, they can sometimes freak out a bit from environmental changes like every cacti and it can be seen from skin.. Sometimes they're fine.
Anyway, do not keep them near heat radiator, it's bad combination if you have winter light from window and heat radiator below them! you will see the bad results later, excess heat from below can cause air dry so much you touch the skin it just cracking and breaking. Trust me I have experience what happens when use that size lohps at place where is excess heat from below and air around is cooler and dryer. Skin will crack from touch if they are in that kind of environment long time.
Move them away from heat source, I have my own lophs at corner of living room what is cold sometimes, it will have light from grow lights used for trichos but lights are 2,5-3meter away from lophs. They have no heat source around.
Turn the heat radiator if it have temperature adjusting somewhere +13-15C so it doesn't cause problems and dry the air too much around.
Like usually I would share picture to you what excess heat from below cause to skin when skin has been touched. I find out bottom heat combined to cooler air windowsill caused dry air so much when you add even small pressure to skin of loph it will crack open. After I got them away from heat source, skin was ok to touch and doesn't crack open, even they are dry area plants, they need minimal air humidity what is always outdoors someway and usually at night time it rises even at desert to 90% air humidity.
Wintering cactus indoors are problematic in places where is excess heat and not enough humidity to even cactus. Loph skin is very delecant if not treat right.
Edited by intelligentlife (12/10/13 04:41 AM)
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redrocket
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Hey intelligent life, thanks, i also bought a bunch of potted san pedro clones of about 30+ cm long, should i get them away from the heat source too? The store where i bought them said they grow faster if i put them near the heating by the window and water them every two weeks during winter, then colder room with no watering.
Edited by redrocket (12/10/13 08:33 AM)
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Re: whats wrong with my peyotes? pics [Re: redrocket]
#19255199 - 12/10/13 12:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Especially if you can't offer strong light to cactus, spring or summer sun, do not keep san pedro near heat.. It grows ugly very fast and you have to cut the etiolated section away cause when summer comes, the slim winter growth can't hold the heavy new top.
Never keep cacti near heat source at winter if you can't offer them good light... and I mean really good light..
Keep them with low or not water at all and let them shrink.. When spring comes, start watering slowly and second or third water time when plants has been used to strong spring light, give them much of water at once.
Now keep them as cool as possible somewhere at +10-15C so you don't need lights for them. Near +10C cactus will not grow and go hibernation and actually don't need light. IF you can't offer so low temps, just keep them dehydrated and away from heat, they grow ugly in heat with poor light at winter.
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anne halonium
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buy em, transplant em , water, em, maybe fert em. then they shrink and get soft.
reason? PH change and salt levels in the new medium. ( reverse osmosis)
all ya can do is wait and see. till they acclimatize, water and or ferts, will make them worse.
also, you can bank , when buying lophs, they will always send the riskiest specimens first. they know most buying them, cant spot issues. besides, they know what i know, most will die, or eaten in a few months anyway.
let em sit , they might survive.
ill suggest straight up, your light is too low by several factors also.
expect, to see mites shortly also.
ill wish ya luck on these...... ( even though, i believe if ya didnt grow em from seed, ya shouldnt have em)
if ya want alot of lophs fast, use a tek for growing em fast. mail order lophs, rarely works out.
clones from one seed, about a year old. in about a 3 inch container......

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Re: whats wrong with my peyotes? pics [Re: anne halonium] 2
#19255678 - 12/10/13 02:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Once again you deliver some solid and helpful advice but then decide to derail yourself with nonsensical bs:
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( even though, i believe if ya didnt grow em from seed, ya shouldnt have em)
I love dropping hundreds of seeds down as much as the next grower but that is just one ridiculous statement right there. Lophs and other species wouldn't be nearly as accessible to the people interested in cultivating them if we all followed that absurd belief of yours.
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mail order lophs, rarely works out.
Followed by yet another ridiculous statement. Sometimes it's best to bite your tongue instead of letting things like that slip out on a public forum. Mail order cacti work out just fine the vast majority of the time. If it didn't, we'd see scores of negative feedback overshadowing all of the positive feedback on popular auction sites as well as other vendor sites. In my own experience selling, I've had well over a thousand successful transactions and I can count 2 problems out of all of those that I was able to rectify with the customer.
As I said you've got extensive knowledge on cacti and I hope to continue hearing and learning from you. I just wish you'd cut the crap out sometimes so the signal is better received without all that unneeded noise.
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anne halonium
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Re: whats wrong with my peyotes? pics [Re: SuperD]
#19255739 - 12/10/13 02:44 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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" they" as in some vendors. over the yrs, ive seen alot of mail order lophs. peeps write me all the time saying " thier lophs are dying" its always , PH, over care, mites, and worms, and fungi infections. they dont die of cancer, and the growers dont send choice speicimens first.......
am i saying venodors are BAD....NO! im saying some vendors send their weakest first. and most vendors realize, they aint going to botanical conservatories.
color on those indicates greenhouse grow. he doesnt have those in a greenhouse.
was trying to be helpful, for the lophs sake. since were swapping opinions ......... i rank mail order lophs , about the same as mail order rhino horn.
as with all bio forms, learn to do it right and prosper. no shortcuts, to a serious grow.
dont feel alone. lots of peeps are mail order loph growers. id be shocked , if half the lophs we see here, had a baby picture.
you better believe, i have baby pics, of all mine.
you guys are lucky to have forums. before 1990 , we/ everyone, had to just fuck up alone, and ,figure it out with science books.
in the new age, ya just click the mouse, cherry pick info, and insult the messenger. ironically, about overnight air lophs.
i love it, its way better than before. now peeps can have a full blown scale grow, faster than ya can sprout a loph seed.
all the luck. if ya leave em alone a while , they may survive. but ,then of course youll have to start growing them.
common sense says, if 10% of the mail order lophs survived, we would see 10x as many as we do.
look peeps, what i lack in tact, and pics i try and make up for in hard tested info. i am absolultey a crash test dummie for grow teks. i will not always, be pretty, but ,your gonna learn sumpin fer sure.
once again, make no mistake whos side im on. i want those lophs to live long, and prosper.
should be obvious to to all, im about as charming, as joan rivers on acid, pot and booze, on a bad day. even i can see that, i have a mirror.
im here, to get peeps growing . by all means , exceed me , and teach others how ya did it. the points are for the crop and skill, never for charm.
Edited by anne halonium (12/10/13 03:02 PM)
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Re: whats wrong with my peyotes? pics [Re: anne halonium]
#19255809 - 12/10/13 03:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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i rank mail order lophs , about the same as mail order rhino horn.
Lol. You've have a great point here if most lophs sold online were poached from the wild. Most are not, however.
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dont feel alone. lots of peeps are mail order loph growers. id be shocked , if half the lophs we see here, had a baby picture
If you browsed this forum as often as you spouted nonsense, you'd see pics I've posted of some of my seedlings. You can do the work of checking yourself, I'm not reposting my pics dozens of times like you seem to do. I didn't start out growing from seed - I began that after obtaining my first few specimens. I'm not even sure my interest in this hobby would have flourished if it weren't for obtaining already-grown specimens beforehand.
And what is wrong with being a mail order loph grower again? You never explicitly stated the problem you have with this. You just put out this elitist attitude with your statements without justifying them in any way whatsoever. If more people want to become interested in growing but don't want to take the time to sow seed, what's the problem there? You should be happy that more and more people are wanting to get into cultivation regardless of how they start their collection.
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common sense says, if 10% of the mail order lophs survived, we would see 10x as many as we do.
Common sense dictates that not every person who purchases lophs or other species is interested in spamming photos of them on forums like this. But you know what they say about common sense, don't you?
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anne halonium
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Re: whats wrong with my peyotes? pics [Re: SuperD]
#19255827 - 12/10/13 03:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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your kidding.
i know my lophs, a good percent were grown in asia and europe. so, in essence, id suggest MOST we see here, are insta mail trophys........
got baby pics? i can assure ya, the " from seed" peeps do.
i suppose, if mail ordered all mine , id be an expert also.
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Edited by anne halonium (12/10/13 03:10 PM)
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Re: whats wrong with my peyotes? pics [Re: anne halonium] 1
#19255945 - 12/10/13 03:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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i know my lophs
Of course you do. As do many, many others. You aren't a special snowflake, sorry.
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a good percent were grown in asia and europe. so, in essence, id suggest MOST we see here, are insta mail trophys
Yet again, repeating the same nonsense without any reason as to why this bothers you so much. I'm pleased every time I see someone post a 'mail order trophy' as you say. That just means I've got someone else to chat about cacti with if I were so inclined.
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got baby pics? i can assure ya, the " from seed" peeps do.
I can also assure you that for every person that posts pics of their seedlings, there are scores more that simply don't. You make it sound as if it's impossible to grow anything without extensive documented proof being attached along with it. Hilarious. Most of what is in my collection is not posted online for one reason or another, as is the case for the majority of growers I know.
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i suppose, if mail ordered all mine , id be an expert also.
I'm not sure what mail ordering has to do with being an expert. But yes, you're right. Many pros do order specimens through the mail in order to expand their collection quicker. Mail ordering adult specimens also allows one to get a head start at cross pollinating with other cacti in their collection.
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Re: whats wrong with my peyotes? pics [Re: anne halonium] 1
#19256064 - 12/10/13 03:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Do you speak about EU, USA or Canada mail order lophs?
I know EU have many nurseries selling hard grown good quality lophs, price is not cheap but quality is.
Ofc some plants suffer from over care, people use too strong pesticides directly, water too much, sudden environmental changes or so..
But anyway, in EU have growers buy their plants as 1-3inch size, and grow them long.
It's not 100% truth all lophs will die when they are sent to another location. Some of them will suffer from environmental changes, they can go bad looking, they need time to grow up a new epidermis to place where they are planted and care.
It's true someone will eat lophs buy'd over internet, someone panic when they starts to get mites or skin suffers from pesticides or just because too dramatic environmental changes. Someone are hasty and panic when they don't know what happens even it's purely because old plant needs to adapt to new soil, light and environment.. Old plants will not tolerate easily transplanting and new sudden changes. But they get over it, look ugly some time and later on grow good on their new environment.
If you say all mail buy'd lophs will be die sooner or later, you are wrong.. I know people who have lophophora on it's own root in my country, buy'd at 80's as small cactus and still alive. Back then there was very easy to obtain this species without mail order.
Anyway, Some of nurseries are very familiar with people and they know their long term customers and will offer the best ones when asked, offer advice to cultivation and talk lots of how they are take care of before.
But one thing I agree is there are lots of people buy cheap lophs and eat them... Some don't know anything about a cacti and buy very small lophs and then eat them without effects at all, then blame a ornament plant seller because the plants was not psychoactive or so... These stories has been heard. Most people over treat their lophs and kill them later. Some understand big plants is not so tolerant to environmental changes and therefor epidermis can be turn ugly.
Anyway, years later when (or if) the mail buy'd loph is alive, it has been used to new environment an has grown new epidermis.
No need to be always so critical even you know the facts. There are still good vendors (in EU) and they sell quality plants what can be grown to very old or buy older plant and keep it alive. It's a fact when buy a plant from nursery where is shitloads of plants together, there are no doubt bugs don't arrive with plants or some of them are in bad shape because of fast mass shipping there are not much time to inspect every plant what are sent. But there it's possible to do reclamation and send plant back and have money back also.
I don't know USA and Canada lophs markets, EU is ok and there is well known good vendors selling lophs with another cacti but these what are specialized to lophs and trichs really sell good quality plants possible to care and grow long time.
I someway understand your argument about "mail order trophy" ..anyway you should really understand some people grow ALL species of cacti, they buy small and big specimens, not just lophs... I don't really get the negative text coming all the time. There are lots of collectors around cultivating their cacti and lophs are just a small part of the collection of cacti. If someone else is not collecting pereskiopsis and lophs and only them and do shitloads of grafts your posts are just negative shit... I don't say you'r doing bad way your things but you should really understand some people just don't care most of your critic. Everyone do their own thing, someone start with "mail order trophy" and someone starts from seed. Who cares? People want to collect cacti.. Why you need to judge everything when people ask advice? Especially when someone ask about lophs you start talking grafting and nothing else, everything else for you is bullshit and not worth anything.. Give advice and don't judge all the time, if someone ask how to care bunch of lophs over winter, there is no help you start bragging about your skills and judge person who just ask advice how to care the plants. C'mon..
About things you want see seedlings from this or that and bla bla.. You don't seem to understand some people will never even take much photos from their plants, some of them just don't care of it much, they just have a collection of plants, not worth of bragging and showing them around internet if no one has not asked the picture from plant.
Also, there is nothing wrong to buy already living cactus and start growing it in case of possible propagating the new plants, grow them more and sell forwards and so on.. There is so much of people who are just not do things way you do. Someone trade or sell plants, grow them for a while. Some of people buy these "trophy lophs" and propagate them and keep cuttings and sell the main head forwards to another collector.
There are so big area of different things along ornamental collectors you should not be so critical to lophophora subject.. You have your own way, my have my own way and everyone have their own way to care, trade, sell, buy, grow and collect cacti.
Edited by intelligentlife (12/10/13 04:24 PM)
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Re: whats wrong with my peyotes? pics [Re: anne halonium] 1
#19256449 - 12/10/13 05:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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im here, to get peeps growing . by all means , exceed me , and teach others how ya did it. the points are for the crop and skill, never for charm.
You're not here to get anyone started growing by the pretentious tone of your posts. You've got the cultivation skills, but you're completely lacking the social skills to go with it. No wonder you opted out of ratings so soon after joining our community. You don't take kindly to any threat against that large ego of yours, and seeing a chain of 1 and 0 shroom ratings certainly is a death blow to your psyche. You thought you were clever for opting out of ratings but everyone knows why someone opts out, you included.
Just so you know, the points are for crop, skill, and charm. Nobody wants to hear anything you have to say when you come off as a complete know-it-all asshole. That's just the way the world and the people within it work. You'd have a much larger following if you worked on all three aspects instead of only the first two.
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Re: whats wrong with my peyotes? pics [Re: SuperD] 2
#19257304 - 12/10/13 07:44 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Alright my green fingered friends, time to tone it down and return to the topic at hand.
Chill
Breathe
Relax and go and chop up a cactus!
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Re: whats wrong with my peyotes? pics [Re: karode13]
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