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My first try at smoking DMT
    #19249161 - 12/09/13 08:41 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Okay guys, you're probably gonna laugh at me, because this is a little bit embarrassing, but I need your help.
Just tried to freebase DMT, I haven't smoked anything for years (last time was 4 years ago). So I got myself some of it and was planning on smoking about 40mg.
So the smell of DMT was already terrible, maybe because it reminded me of the last time I smoked, where I got really ill and felt absolutely horrible. I checked a few guides on how to smoke it (I used a small freebase meth pipe) and then I tried it out. I held the lighter under the pipe about an inch away and waited for it vaporize. When I thought it was enough I put the pipe into my mouth and started inhaling. I'm not sure if I inhaled it too quickly, but I can tell you, it was the worst feeling ever. It tasted absolutely horrible, was harsh as fuck, and I couldn't breath for a few seconds. I put the pipe away and went to the bathroom with horrible pain in the bronchia and in my throat and had to drink a few glasses. Swallowing was accompanied by agonizing pain. WTF. I said to myself: "Fuck this drug, I'll just throw it away and rather take LSD." It was a horrible experience.
Well, now I'm feeling a little better (I didn't panic, as I'm good at handling anxiety), but I still have some pain.
I'm not interested in just throwing away 80 bucks and a probably great experience, but at the same time, the smell and thought of that taste will probably induce some nightmares in the next few days.
Can you give me some advice on what I probably did wrong and should've done better? It can't be this hard..

Thanks in advance!


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Re: My first try at smoking DMT [Re: smegmabitchup]
    #19249174 - 12/09/13 08:49 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

DMT is the worst tasting drug I have tried (with the exception of snorting K..). It's the tax you pay to get through the gate.

I actually quite enjoy it now, my brain has made the association with that nasty sulphur-ish type taste and waves of pure empathy and joy..

You can just stick it in a normal pipe with a little weed/hash and smoke normally, always got me and everyone I have smoked with super fucking high.. I'm sure some purist will jump in and tell me that I am wrong, but don't overthink it, just hit that shit 2-4 times and hold.

Not sure about the pain.. could be some badly extracted stuff with solvents etc still in it? I imagine solvents would evaporate quickly regardless of how it was made, but you never know. Do you know anybody else who has hit the same batch??

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Re: My first try at smoking DMT [Re: smegmabitchup]
    #19249178 - 12/09/13 08:52 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

you probably burned it. You need to heat it slower, and vaporize it.

Don't be embarassed, I have tried to smoke DMT around 8 times. At least 4 of the times I vomited (still not sure why) and the rest I didn't smoke enough to get more than a head change.

Definitely don't give up. Maybe this is the DMT telling you you're not quite ready. Because it is the biggest step you can take in that realm, there's no going back.

I'm just gonna try ayahuasca before i try smoking it again. I figure thats a better way to start.


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Re: My first try at smoking DMT [Re: egodeathflux]
    #19249180 - 12/09/13 08:52 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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egodeathflux said:
It's the tax you pay to get through the gate.



Well put. :P

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Not sure about the pain.. could be some badly extracted stuff with solvents etc still in it? I imagine solvents would evaporate quickly regardless of how it was made, but you never know. Do you know anybody else who has hit the same batch??

:popcorn:



Yes I do, they said it was the greatest and most potent DMT they ever smoked. Some said the specific product I used isn't as harsh as other DMT they've tried in the past.

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you probably burned it. You need to heat it slower, and vaporize it.



I definitely burned it, as there is some black residue left behind (and some brown residue, which has the color of cooked brown heroin)


Edited by smegmabitchup (12/09/13 08:58 AM)


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Re: My first try at smoking DMT [Re: smegmabitchup]
    #19249185 - 12/09/13 08:54 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

oil burners are terribly harsh, vaped deems may not taste good but properly vaped is amazingly smooth.

I suggest a machine

wiki.dmt-nexus.me/The_Machine

or the ash/deem/ash layering  as you feather the lighter.


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Re: My first try at smoking DMT [Re: bishlap]
    #19249280 - 12/09/13 09:33 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Always a bit harsh but have never had the problems you are describing
I kinda like the smell and taste but it is a bit harsh

Are you sure it was DMT?

Perhaps you are just ultra sensitive....  Might try sandwich with some herb? Or just move to oral dosage?


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Re: My first try at smoking DMT [Re: HarryL]
    #19249313 - 12/09/13 09:43 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Perhaps you are just ultra sensitive....



I probably am as I grew a dislike for smoking in the past few years. As I said earlier, a few years ago I smoked on an occasional basis, cigarettes and shisha (shisha sucks, IMO). After having the worst bronchitis in my life, smoking just made me really nauseous, so I stopped. Now when I'm exposed to cigarette smoke for a longer period of time (a few hours in a certain environment), I start to feel ill again. Maybe this added to the horrible experience.


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Re: My first try at smoking DMT [Re: smegmabitchup]
    #19249322 - 12/09/13 09:47 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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smegmabitchup said:
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HarryL said:
Perhaps you are just ultra sensitive....



I probably am as I grew a dislike for smoking in the past few years. As I said earlier, a few years ago I smoked on an occasional basis, cigarettes and shisha (shisha sucks, IMO). After having the worst bronchitis in my life, smoking just made me really nauseous, so I stopped. Now when I'm exposed to cigarette smoke for a longer period of time (a few hours in a certain environment), I start to feel ill again. Maybe this added to the horrible experience.



you don't like shisha? that blows my mind.

Its the smoothest smoke I've ever had, when used in a hookah. huh


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Re: My first try at smoking DMT [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #19249327 - 12/09/13 09:49 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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rbalzer said:
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HarryL said:
Perhaps you are just ultra sensitive....



I probably am as I grew a dislike for smoking in the past few years. As I said earlier, a few years ago I smoked on an occasional basis, cigarettes and shisha (shisha sucks, IMO). After having the worst bronchitis in my life, smoking just made me really nauseous, so I stopped. Now when I'm exposed to cigarette smoke for a longer period of time (a few hours in a certain environment), I start to feel ill again. Maybe this added to the horrible experience.



you don't like shisha? that blows my mind.

Its the smoothest smoke I've ever had, when used in a hookah. huh



No, I never really enjoyed it that much and after the bronchitis, I felt really nauseous that I had to walk out of the dental office and postpone the appointment.^^

Does anybody of you guys have experience with snorting or ingesting DMT orally?


Edited by smegmabitchup (12/09/13 10:22 AM)


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Re: My first try at smoking DMT [Re: smegmabitchup]
    #19249413 - 12/09/13 10:22 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I've never experienced anything like this.  It's very possible your DMT could have had lye in it from the extraction process.  This would not be hard at all to have happen.  Many times have I had to stop a pull because some lye got in the extraction pipette.  I'm sure there are tons of people out there who would think nothing of it and proceed, thinking its no big deal or just out of pure laziness.

You may have smoked some lye man...  That would be terrible.  I'm not saying you did for sure but its 100% possible and not at all unlikely.  I would wash that stuff and try again because those side effects you had really shouldn't have happened.


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Re: My first try at smoking DMT [Re: Shpongle1]
    #19249444 - 12/09/13 10:32 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I've never experienced anything like this.  It's very possible your DMT could have had lye in it from the extraction process.  This would not be hard at all to have happen.  Many times have I had to stop a pull because some lye got in the extraction pipette.  I'm sure there are tons of people out there who would think nothing of it and proceed, thinking its no big deal or just out of pure laziness.

You may have smoked some lye man...  That would be terrible.  I'm not saying you did for sure but its 100% possible and not at all unlikely.  I would wash that stuff and try again because those side effects you had really shouldn't have happened.



I googled some of the symptoms, some of them apply. Do I have to worry? I'm feeling good actually, even though my throat is still swollen, hurts and my bronchia are still affected by it (pain and coughing).


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Re: My first try at smoking DMT [Re: smegmabitchup]
    #19249450 - 12/09/13 10:34 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

sadly out of the few times i've smoked dmt it never worked for me, but the times it actually did work for me was when i was on a 10 strip, now that was groovy!


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Re: My first try at smoking DMT [Re: smegmabitchup]
    #19249454 - 12/09/13 10:35 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I really hope the heat would like destroy the poisonous properties of the lye.


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Re: My first try at smoking DMT [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #19249678 - 12/09/13 11:31 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Copied and pasted from a different forum:

"If you have any lye contamination in your final product, which is possible if you don’t do all the steps right, then it is going to REALLY BURN if you inhale it.

It’s true that you can’t smoke lye, but you can inhale it. Try this (if you’re really stupid and want to get a really bad chemical burn): put some powder lye in your pipe and suck on the pipe. Don’t even use a flame. Some of that lye dust is going to get in your mouth, your lungs, etc. If you inhale enough you’re going to get one hell of a chemical burn and you may have to be hospitalized.

Lye is not something to play around with. It can cause damage to your mouth, lungs, eyes, skin, etc. You can get permanent eye damage if some gets on your eyes. That is really dangerous stuff. SWIM saw a guy melt part of his hand by accidentally spilling some concentrated lye solution on his hand. He has a permanent scar from it."


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Re: My first try at smoking DMT [Re: Shpongle1]
    #19249837 - 12/09/13 12:14 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It's orally active only taken with an  MAOI

Many folks in here have done this...


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Re: My first try at smoking DMT [Re: egodeathflux]
    #19249905 - 12/09/13 12:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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DMT is the worst tasting drug I have tried (with the exception of snorting K..). It's the tax you pay to get through the gate.






Oh god, just reading that reminded me of that awful taste after a massive line of K.  It's like a little elf is taking a shit down the back of your throat.
Fuck I can taste the K and it's been over 5 years since I used it.  Such pure K though... I miss it, but not really.


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Re: My first try at smoking DMT [Re: shroomy stan]
    #19250064 - 12/09/13 01:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

When I tried dmt the smoke was actually incredibly smooth. I had the deems sandwiched between tobacco in a pipe. If you use a water pipe it'll be all the more smooth.


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Re: My first try at smoking DMT [Re: HarryL]
    #19250441 - 12/09/13 02:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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It's orally active only taken with an  MAOI

Many folks in here have done this...




Who said anything about taking DMT orally?


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Re: My first try at smoking DMT [Re: Shpongle1]
    #19251059 - 12/09/13 04:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Quote:

HarryL said:
It's orally active only taken with an  MAOI

Many folks in here have done this...




Who said anything about taking DMT orally?



I asked if it was worth doing instead of smoking it. :wink:

Little update: I just slept for a few hours and as it turns out, I catched a nice tonsillitis. My tonsils were inflamed a little when I smoked that DMT, maybe that made it feel worse than it actually was. :P


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Re: My first try at smoking DMT [Re: smegmabitchup]
    #19251666 - 12/09/13 06:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Damn, well it sounds miserable.  I would still think about washing it before you try it again. I snorted DMT for the first time ever the other night. You wanna talk about a burn... Phew!!!  I don't know why, but I'm thinking about trying that again tonight, despite the agony I was in after doing it.


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Re: My first try at smoking DMT [Re: Shpongle1]
    #19251888 - 12/09/13 06:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Damn, well it sounds miserable.  I would still think about washing it before you try it again. I snorted DMT for the first time ever the other night. You wanna talk about a burn... Phew!!!  I don't know why, but I'm thinking about trying that again tonight, despite the agony I was in after doing it.



Well I just contacted my dealer, let's see what he has to say^^ I'll try it again as soon as my throat feels better, if I have a similar experience, I'm just gonna ingest it via MAOI.


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Re: My first try at smoking DMT [Re: smegmabitchup]
    #19251900 - 12/09/13 06:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Quote:

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Damn, well it sounds miserable.  I would still think about washing it before you try it again. I snorted DMT for the first time ever the other night. You wanna talk about a burn... Phew!!!  I don't know why, but I'm thinking about trying that again tonight, despite the agony I was in after doing it.



Well I just contacted my dealer, let's see what he has to say^^ I'll try it again as soon as my throat feels better, if I have a similar experience, I'm just gonna ingest it via MAOI.



Beware if you take anti depressants. They can have deadly interactions with MAOI's. Theres also a diet you have to stick to for I think a day after you ingest, for certain foods can also interact with the MAOI and result in death.

But if you read up on it, you should be fine!


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Re: My first try at smoking DMT [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #19254716 - 12/10/13 10:39 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Quote:

smegmabitchup said:
Quote:

Shpongle1 said:
Damn, well it sounds miserable.  I would still think about washing it before you try it again. I snorted DMT for the first time ever the other night. You wanna talk about a burn... Phew!!!  I don't know why, but I'm thinking about trying that again tonight, despite the agony I was in after doing it.



Well I just contacted my dealer, let's see what he has to say^^ I'll try it again as soon as my throat feels better, if I have a similar experience, I'm just gonna ingest it via MAOI.



Beware if you take anti depressants. They can have deadly interactions with MAOI's. Theres also a diet you have to stick to for I think a day after you ingest, for certain foods can also interact with the MAOI and result in death.

But if you read up on it, you should be fine!




Avoid any alcohol as well.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAOI_inhibitor

Give that a THOROUGH and repeated read if you are not familiar with the associated risks. Really not something to be taken lightly or without the proper knowledge and preparation.

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Re: My first try at smoking DMT [Re: egodeathflux]
    #19254743 - 12/10/13 10:46 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Quote:

rbalzer said:
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smegmabitchup said:
Quote:

Shpongle1 said:
Damn, well it sounds miserable.  I would still think about washing it before you try it again. I snorted DMT for the first time ever the other night. You wanna talk about a burn... Phew!!!  I don't know why, but I'm thinking about trying that again tonight, despite the agony I was in after doing it.



Well I just contacted my dealer, let's see what he has to say^^ I'll try it again as soon as my throat feels better, if I have a similar experience, I'm just gonna ingest it via MAOI.



Beware if you take anti depressants. They can have deadly interactions with MAOI's. Theres also a diet you have to stick to for I think a day after you ingest, for certain foods can also interact with the MAOI and result in death.

But if you read up on it, you should be fine!




Avoid any alcohol as well.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAOI_inhibitor

Give that a THOROUGH and repeated read if you are not familiar with the associated risks. Really not something to be taken lightly or without the proper knowledge and preparation.

:peace:



for real. I've heard stories of people who KNEW that there was danger, but still ate whatever the hell they wanted.

I think they survived but fuckkk what tards


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Re: My first try at smoking DMT [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #19254921 - 12/10/13 11:30 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I don't actually recall hearing of anyone losing their life that was definitively connected to a bad reaction, though the stories of shamans burying tourists in the jungle and whatnot after rituals turn sour are common enough.

Certainly no laughing matter. I have only used MAOI's with mushrooms, usually just smoking some Rue mixed with hashish during the first hour or shortly before dosing.

**Actually just remembered how nice smoking powdered Rue and hashish is during a peak - extended duration, immediate lift/alteration of visuals and so forth.

It is powdered for a reason, those seeds pop and explode around the room if smoked whole, found that one out the amusing, slightly-charred-eyebrow way.

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Re: My first try at smoking DMT [Re: egodeathflux]
    #19254975 - 12/10/13 11:42 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I don't actually recall hearing of anyone losing their life that was definitively connected to a bad reaction, though the stories of shamans burying tourists in the jungle and whatnot after rituals turn sour are common enough.

Certainly no laughing matter. I have only used MAOI's with mushrooms, usually just smoking some Rue mixed with hashish during the first hour or shortly before dosing.

**Actually just remembered how nice smoking powdered Rue and hashish is during a peak - extended duration, immediate lift/alteration of visuals and so forth.

It is powdered for a reason, those seeds pop and explode around the room if smoked whole, found that one out the amusing, slightly-charred-eyebrow way.

:lolsy:



haha oh man, that explosion while tripping would be interesting.

Still never added my rue to anything, but have it waiting for when I'm ready!


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Re: My first try at smoking DMT [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #19255026 - 12/10/13 11:53 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Smoking even small amounts as I mentioned/suggested has quite a remarkable effect. Never had to use more than a gram or so I don't think. Got the idea after hearing Mckenna talk about "vegetable television" when smoking Caapi during trips in the Amazon. :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:


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Re: My first try at smoking DMT [Re: egodeathflux]
    #19258844 - 12/11/13 05:56 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Little update: I noticed a weird eczema on my feet one day after consumption. They were little red dots. They are now gone. Were they caused by the DMT and substances involved (lye or whatever)?


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Re: My first try at smoking DMT [Re: smegmabitchup]
    #19259194 - 12/11/13 08:58 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

dieta isn't absolutely necessary when dealing with these RIMA type MOAIs.

I would suggest sticking to it to keep from getting a wicked headache but it's doubtful that it would cause death if you didn't.

pharmaceutical moais are an entirely different story.


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