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FBI can secretly activate laptop cameras without the indicator light
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FBI can secretly activate laptop cameras without the indicator light Casey Chan Dec 7, 2013, 07.30 AM IST
Scary. Insane. Ridiculous. Invasive. Wrong. The Washington Post reports that the FBI has had the ability to secretly activate a computer's camera "without triggering the light that lets users know it is recording" for years now. What in the hell is going on? What kind of world do we live in?
Marcus Thomas, the former assistant director of the FBI's Operational Technology Division, told the Post that that sort of creepy spy laptop recording is "mainly" used in terrorism cases or the "most serious" of criminal investigations. That doesn't really make it less crazy (or any better) since the very idea of the FBI being able to watch you through your computer is absolutely disturbing.
The whole Post piece about the FBI's search for a bomb threat suspect is worth reading. It shows how far the FBI will go with its use of malware to spy on people and reveals the occasional brain dead mistakes the FBI makes to screw themselves over (like a typo of an e-mail address that the FBI wanted to keep tabs on). Good to know these completely competent folks are watching over us by any means necessary. [Washington Post]
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FBI’s search for ‘Mo,’ suspect in bomb threats, highlights use of malware for surveillance
By Craig Timberg and Ellen Nakashima The man who called himself “Mo” had dark hair, a foreign accent and — if the pictures he e-mailed to federal investigators could be believed — an Iranian military uniform. When he made a series of threats to detonate bombs at universities and airports across a wide swath of the United States last year, police had to scramble every time.
Mo remained elusive for months, communicating via e-mail, video chat and an Internet-based phone service without revealing his true identity or location, court documents show. So with no house to search or telephone to tap, investigators turned to a new kind of surveillance tool delivered over the Internet.
The FBI’s elite hacker team designed a piece of malicious software that was to be delivered secretly when Mo signed on to his Yahoo e-mail account, from any computer anywhere in the world, according to the documents. The goal of the software was to gather a range of information — Web sites he had visited and indicators of the location of the computer — that would allow investigators to find Mo and tie him to the bomb threats.
Such high-tech search tools, which the FBI calls “network investigative techniques,” have been used when authorities struggle to track suspects who are adept at covering their tracks online. The most powerful FBI surveillance software can covertly download files, photographs and stored e-mails, or even gather real-time images by activating cameras connected to computers, say court documents and people familiar with this technology.
Online surveillance pushes the boundaries of the constitution's limits on searches and seizures by gathering a broad range of information, some of it without direct connection to any crime. Critics compare it to a physical search in which the entire contents of a home are seized, not just those items suspected to offer evidence of a particular offense.
A federal magistrate in Denver approved sending surveillance software to Mo’s computer last year. Not all such requests are welcomed by the courts: An FBI plan to send surveillance software to a suspect in a different case — one that involved activating a suspect’s built-in computer camera — was rejected by a federal magistrate in Houston, who ruled that it was “extremely intrusive” and could violate the Fourth Amendment.
“You can’t just go on a fishing expedition,” said Laura K. Donohue, a Georgetown University law professor who reviewed three recent court rulings on FBI surveillance software, including one involving Mo. “There needs to be a nexus between the crime being alleged and the material to be seized. What they are doing here, though, is collecting everything.”
The FBI and Justice Department declined to comment on the case or the surveillance techniques used in pursuit of Mo.
But court documents related to the investigation, created when the FBI requested a search warrant before sending the surveillance software across the Internet to Mo, have offered a rare window into the bureau’s tools for tracking suspects through an online landscape replete with places to hide.
The case also shows the limits of the surveillance software, which have not yielded Mo’s arrest, and the legal complexities created when the location of a subject is unknown.
“The suspect could be down the street or on the other side of the planet,” said Jason M. Weinstein, a former deputy assistant attorney general in the Justice Department’s criminal division who is now a partner at Steptoe & Johnson. He said he had no direct knowledge of the investigation of Mo. The case, however, “raises the broader question of whether the rules that exist now are adequate to address the problem.”
Mystery caller
The first known call from Mo came in July 2012, two days after a troubled man with dyed orange hair had gunned down 12 people in a movie theater in the Denver suburb of Aurora, Colo., court documents show. Mo told the county sheriff’s office there that he was a friend of the alleged killer and wanted him freed. If the sheriff refused, Mo said, he would blow up a building full of potential victims.
Mo and a deputy sheriff ended up speaking by phone for three hours while also communicating for much of that time through e-mail. That left investigators with several leads, including a phone number and a working address on Gmail, the Web-based e-mail service from Google.
Yet Mo’s true identity remained a mystery. The number turned out to be for Google Voice, an Internet-based service that allows users to make phone calls from their computers. When authorities made an emergency request to Google for information from his account with the company, they learned that Mo had used an online tool called a “virtual proxy” to mask identifying information about the computer he was using. The name registered for the Google account, meanwhile, was “Soozan vf.”
There was no obvious reference to Iran, even though a set of pictures Mo later e-mailed to investigators appeared to show an olive-skinned man in his late 20s, wearing what court documents described as an “Iranian tan camouflaged military uniform.”
Over several months, Mo allegedly threatened to detonate bombs at a county jail, a DoubleTree hotel, the University of Denver, the University of Texas, San Antonio International Airport, Washington-Dulles International Airport, Virginia Commonwealth University and other heavily used public facilities across the country, court documents show.
Though no bombs were ever found, during his rash of threats Mo began using an ominous new e-mail address: “texan.slayer@yahoo.com.” He also gave investigators a plausible full name for himself — Mohammed Arian Far — whose initials roughly fit a name he had used when registering his Google account: “mmmmaaaaffff.”
The account information, gathered after the approval of a search warrant in September 2012, listed a birthday that suggested Mo was 27 years old, fitting the estimates investigators made based on the pictures he had sent them. The field for country said “Iran.” The computer IP address used when Mo had signed up for the account in 2009 suggested he was in Tehran, the capital, at the time. But it wasn’t clear where in the city he lived, or even if he was still there.
Phishing for a suspect
The FBI team works much like other hackers, using security weaknesses in computer programs to gain control of users’ machines. The most common delivery mechanism, say people familiar with the technology, is a simple phishing attack — a link slipped into an e-mail, typically labeled in a misleading way.
When the user hits the link, it connects to a computer at FBI offices in Quantico, Va., and downloads the malicious software, often called “malware” because it operates covertly, typically to spy on or otherwise exploit the owner of a computer. As in some traditional searches, subjects typically are notified only after evidence is gathered from their property.
“We have transitioned into a world where law enforcement is hacking into people’s computers, and we have never had public debate,” said Christopher Soghoian, principal technologist for the American Civil Liberties Union. “Judges are having to make up these powers as they go along.”
Former U.S. officials say the FBI uses the technique sparingly, in part to keep public references to its online surveillance tools to a minimum. There was news coverage about them in 2007, when Wired reported that the FBI had sent surveillance software to the owner of a MySpace account linked to bomb threats against a Washington state high school.
The FBI has been able to covertly activate a computer’s camera — without triggering the light that lets users know it is recording — for several years, and has used that technique mainly in terrorism cases or the most serious criminal investigations, said Marcus Thomas, former assistant director of the FBI’s Operational Technology Division in Quantico, now on the advisory board of Subsentio, a firm that helps telecommunications carriers comply with federal wiretap statutes.
The FBI’s technology continues to advance as users move away from traditional computers and become more savvy about disguising their locations and identities. “Because of encryption and because targets are increasingly using mobile devices, law enforcement is realizing that more and more they’re going to have to be on the device — or in the cloud,” Thomas said, referring to remote storage services. “There’s the realization out there that they’re going to have to use these types of tools more and more.”
The ability to remotely activate video feeds was among the issues cited in a case in Houston, where federal magistrate Judge Stephen W. Smith rejected a search warrant request from the FBI in April. In that case, first reported by the Wall Street Journal, Smith ruled that the use of such technology in a bank fraud case was “extremely intrusive” and ran the risk of accidentally capturing information of people not under suspicion of any crime.
Smith also said that a magistrate’s court based in Texas lacked jurisdiction to approve a search of a computer whose location was unknown. He wrote that such surveillance software may violate the Fourth Amendment’s limits on unwarranted searches and seizures.
Yet another federal magistrate judge, in Austin, approved the FBI’s request to conduct a “one-time limited search” — not involving the computer’s camera — by sending surveillance software to the e-mail account of a federal fugitive in December 2012.
In that case, investigators had evidence that the man, who allegedly had taken the identity of a soldier serving in Iraq, was living at a hotel in San Antonio, just more than an hour’s drive from Austin. The FBI’s surveillance software returned a detailed inventory of the fugitive’s computer, including the chips used, the amount of space on his hard drive and a list of dozens of programs loaded onto it. He was later arrested, convicted and sentenced to five years in prison for financial fraud and identity theft.
“Technology is evolving and law enforcement is struggling to keep up,” said Brian L. Owsley, a retired federal magistrate judge from Texas who was not involved in either case. “It’s a cat-and-mouse game.”
Still searching
Even though investigators suspected that Mo was in Iran, the uncertainty around his identity and location complicated the case. Had he turned out to be a U.S. citizen or a foreigner living within the country, a search conducted without a warrant could have jeopardized his prosecution.
Federal magistrate Judge Kathleen M. Tafoya approved the FBI’s search warrant request on Dec. 11, 2012, nearly five months after the first threatening call from Mo. The order gave the FBI two weeks to attempt to activate surveillance software sent to the texan.slayer@yahoo.com e-mail address. All investigators needed, it seemed, was for Mo to sign on to his account and, almost instantaneously, the software would start reporting information back to Quantico.
The logistical hurdles proved to be even more complex than the legal ones. The first search warrant request botched the Yahoo e-mail address for Mo, mixing up a single letter and prompting the submission of a corrected request. A software update to a program the surveillance software was planning to target, meanwhile, raised fears of a malfunction, forcing the FBI to refashion its malicious software before sending it to Mo’s computer.
The warrant authorizes an “Internet web link” that would download the surveillance software to Mo’s computer when he signed on to his Yahoo account. (Yahoo, when questioned by The Washington Post, issued a statement saying it had no knowledge of the case and did not assist in any way.)
The surveillance software was sent across the Internet on Dec. 14, 2012 — three days after the warrant was issued — but the FBI’s program didn’t function properly, according to a court document submitted in February,
“The program hidden in the link sent to texan.slayer@yahoo.com never actually executed as designed,” a federal agent reported in a handwritten note to the court.
But, it said, Mo’s computer did send a request for information to the FBI computer, revealing two new IP addresses in the process. Both suggested that, as of last December, Mo was still in Tehran. http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/2013/12/06/352ba174-5397-11e3-9e2c-e1d01116fd98_story.html
http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/page/business/fbi-files-colorado-search-warrant-request/641/
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Re: FBI can secretly activate laptop cameras without the indicator light [Re: snoot] 4
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That's why you put tape over it.
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Re: FBI can secretly activate laptop cameras without the indicator light [Re: Shroomism]
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Re: FBI can secretly activate laptop cameras without the indicator light [Re: snoot]
#19248153 - 12/09/13 12:15 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've got a sticky note on mine. lol
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Re: FBI can secretly activate laptop cameras without the indicator light [Re: NWlight]
#19248165 - 12/09/13 12:18 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: FBI can secretly activate laptop cameras without the indicator light [Re: snoot]
#19248174 - 12/09/13 12:20 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yep, the world of today is just like in 1984.
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Re: FBI can secretly activate laptop cameras without the indicator light [Re: Niffla]
#19248176 - 12/09/13 12:21 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Take that, FBI!
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#19248177 - 12/09/13 12:21 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ellis Dee said: Yep, the world of today is just like in 1984. 
They practically use 1984 as a reference manual
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Re: FBI can secretly activate laptop cameras without the indicator light [Re: Shroomism]
#19248178 - 12/09/13 12:22 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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piece of tape > feds
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Re: FBI can secretly activate laptop cameras without the indicator light [Re: Ellis Dee]
#19248180 - 12/09/13 12:22 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Duh. So can hackers. I saw it done by a hacker 10 years ago in person. They had full access to the computer too.
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Re: FBI can secretly activate laptop cameras without the indicator light [Re: Niffla]
#19248185 - 12/09/13 12:23 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: FBI can secretly activate laptop cameras without the indicator light [Re: Shins] 1
#19248187 - 12/09/13 12:24 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have a cover for mine too.
they can listen with your microphone too.
and they can do it all on your cell phone too.
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Re: FBI can secretly activate laptop cameras without the indicator light [Re: snoot] 1
#19248207 - 12/09/13 12:28 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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am i the only one that started having a go at my webcam?
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#19248217 - 12/09/13 12:30 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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that autistic kid was fuckin onto something like five years back this kid would go on about hes being watched people gave him shit for puttin tape over it but he insisted autistic kid 1 nemmies 0 fuck
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Re: FBI can secretly activate laptop cameras without the indicator light [Re: thelanzii]
#19248221 - 12/09/13 12:31 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: FBI can secretly activate laptop cameras without the indicator light [Re: thelanzii]
#19248227 - 12/09/13 12:33 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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adios civil liberties..
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#19248244 - 12/09/13 12:38 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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lol the FBI likes to watch dudes jack off.
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#19248251 - 12/09/13 12:41 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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thoughts said: lol the FBI likes to watch dudes jack off.
wonder if they ever caught bin laden stroking it on his acer
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Re: FBI can secretly activate laptop cameras without the indicator light [Re: thoughts]
#19248252 - 12/09/13 12:41 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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actually though mine on my monitor points straight at my junk
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Re: FBI can secretly activate laptop cameras without the indicator light [Re: thoughts]
#19248266 - 12/09/13 12:46 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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thoughts said: lol the FBI likes to watch dudes jack off.
Turning it into a joke does nothing but make light of your non-existant freedoms. I hope it makes you more comfortable with tyranny to think of it as mere voyeurism instead of the outrage that it is. Posts like this make me think people get exactly what they deserve. Its only unfortunate that those of us who love freedom get the same tyranny as the undeserving who don't deserve, want, or even care about freedom.
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#19248270 - 12/09/13 12:47 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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i don't have to worry about the feds messing with me, mine don't have a camera
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Re: FBI can secretly activate laptop cameras without the indicator light [Re: Ellis Dee]
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Freedom sux bro.
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Re: FBI can secretly activate laptop cameras without the indicator light [Re: Ellis Dee]
#19248294 - 12/09/13 12:55 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I say we start a revolution, if other people will join me I will gladly put my life on the line to protect our freedoms, and I'm not joking either. Unfortunately though everyone I seriously ask about this either takes it as a joke, or bullshits about it and never does shit.
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Re: FBI can secretly activate laptop cameras without the indicator light [Re: TrentBoyett]
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there wont' be revolution until the govt stops being able to pay people welfare.
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Re: FBI can secretly activate laptop cameras without the indicator light [Re: thelanzii]
#19248303 - 12/09/13 12:57 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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i actually had a virus hit my laptop once. when i booted up it would lock my pc and would show a pic of me from my cam that i didnt take and a large page of text and government seals that said i commeted "illegal activities" and that i had to send a specific amount of money to a random account.
i had to boot my pc in safe mode with command and run system restore from CMD promt to get my pc to load and erase the virus.
tin foil hat or not any professional hacker can do this, i know personally. and i keep something covering any cam hooked to my pc ever since.
leave one pc without a good firewall and look what happens. thats what i get i guss.
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Re: FBI can secretly activate laptop cameras without the indicator light [Re: thoughts]
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thoughts said: Freedom sux bro.
Well you're fortunate to live in a country that doesn't have any then. Its nice to have found such a pleasant alternative in mass incarceration for prohibition offenses, false flag terrorism to make the populace fearful and compliant, unwarranted electronic spying on an almost unimaginable scale, and such.
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Re: FBI can secretly activate laptop cameras without the indicator light [Re: Ellis Dee]
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thoughts said: lol the FBI likes to watch dudes jack off.
Turning it into a joke does nothing but make light of your non-existant freedoms. I hope it makes you more comfortable with tyranny to think of it as mere voyeurism instead of the outrage that it is. Posts like this make me think people get exactly what they deserve. Its only unfortunate that those of us who love freedom get the same tyranny as the undeserving who don't deserve, want, or even care about freedom.

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Re: FBI can secretly activate laptop cameras without the indicator light [Re: innerspeaker1967]
#19248352 - 12/09/13 01:14 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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innerspeaker1967 said: am i the only one that started having a go at my webcam?

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i actually had a virus hit my laptop once. when i booted up it would lock my pc and would show a pic of me from my cam that i didnt take and a large page of text and government seals that said i commeted "illegal activities" and that i had to send a specific amount of money to a random account.
i had to boot my pc in safe mode with command and run system restore from CMD promt to get my pc to load and erase the virus.
tin foil hat or not any professional hacker can do this, i know personally. and i keep something covering any cam hooked to my pc ever since.
leave one pc without a good firewall and look what happens. thats what i get i guss.
haha, that's a cool virus, but obvious though.
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Re: FBI can secretly activate laptop cameras without the indicator light [Re: evileye001]
#19248580 - 12/09/13 02:50 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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i actually had a virus hit my laptop once. when i booted up it would lock my pc and would show a pic of me from my cam that i didnt take and a large page of text and government seals that said i commeted "illegal activities" and that i had to send a specific amount of money to a random account.
i had to boot my pc in safe mode with command and run system restore from CMD promt to get my pc to load and erase the virus.
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I had that one too, i also restarted in safe mode and did system restore. And i cover my cam with tape now too. It is pretty obvious that police would not ask you for money, or tell you they are investigating you. Not to mention the porn i was looking at was legal. Some guy in UK got that one and freaked, went to police station and just gave them his laptop full of zoo porn, dumb ass. The technology has been around some time. During Beslan school massacre (2004) the russians were able to do this. I wonder how many people are being spied on thru their webcams now? I remember seeing a program that could turn on anyones webcam on your yahoo friends list. Here is article that might make you want to grab the tape. http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/03/rat-breeders-meet-the-men-who-spy-on-women-through-their-webcams/
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Re: FBI can secretly activate laptop cameras without the indicator light [Re: my3rdeye]
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Re: FBI can secretly activate laptop cameras without the indicator light [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL] 1
#19248754 - 12/09/13 04:12 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I wouldn't be suprised if the NSA is spying through every single webcam? microphone and cellphone 24/7 archiving it all.
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Re: FBI can secretly activate laptop cameras without the indicator light [Re: Shins]
#19248818 - 12/09/13 05:18 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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None of this is surprising anymore. If I found out they had a camera in my house, in my shower even, it wouldn't shock me. I just hope they enjoy gazing upon my naked body.
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Re: FBI can secretly activate laptop cameras without the indicator light [Re: Quawonk]
#19248904 - 12/09/13 06:26 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I feelo sorry for those poor psychiatrists out there.
15 years ago they could say to a paranoid schizophrenic "nah its all in your head." now they have to google to see whether their patient is delusional or actually onto something.
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Re: FBI can secretly activate laptop cameras without the indicator light [Re: snoot]
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There's a camera on my phone... I always put it down faced down so the camera sees nothing when I'm not using it.
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Re: FBI can secretly activate laptop cameras without the indicator light [Re: thirtygoats]
#19250227 - 12/09/13 01:45 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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most phones now have one on both sides. sad.
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Re: FBI can secretly activate laptop cameras without the indicator light [Re: NWlight]
#19250263 - 12/09/13 01:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Come on people, just come forth and confess your sins and wrongdoings to the great lord that is our government. Also feel free holding your christmas list in front of the webcam.
Holy fuck i didn't even think of the south park episode till after the santa comment, but damn that episode nailed it on the head.
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Re: FBI can secretly activate laptop cameras without the indicator light [Re: LuSiD enthusiast] 1
#19250340 - 12/09/13 02:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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MY BODY IS READY.
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Re: FBI can secretly activate laptop cameras without the indicator light [Re: millzy]
#19250544 - 12/09/13 03:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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And to think that Americans pump the chest and cry out shit like, "we have the most freedom" "We have liberty" and all that stuff.
Do you guys realize how idiotic it sounds when you say shit like that?
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Re: FBI can secretly activate laptop cameras without the indicator light [Re: Patlal]
#19250553 - 12/09/13 03:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I put a smiley face sticker over mine
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Re: FBI can secretly activate laptop cameras without the indicator light [Re: Patlal]
#19250557 - 12/09/13 03:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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WHAT KIND OF WORLD DO WE LIVE IN?
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Re: FBI can secretly activate laptop cameras without the indicator light [Re: E_Z]
#19250565 - 12/09/13 03:05 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Also, you guys do realize that the FBI also figured out a way to make the camera see through the post-its/pieces of tape?
They thought of everything man
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Re: FBI can secretly activate laptop cameras without the indicator light [Re: Mad_Larkin]
#19250570 - 12/09/13 03:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Mad_Larkin said: WHAT KIND OF WORLD DO WE LIVE IN?
You're in the UK. You'll be fine
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Re: FBI can secretly activate laptop cameras without the indicator light [Re: Patlal]
#19250620 - 12/09/13 03:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: FBI can secretly activate laptop cameras without the indicator light [Re: Shins]
#19250645 - 12/09/13 03:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
Shins said: I have a cover for mine too.
they can listen with your microphone too.
and they can do it all on your cell phone too.
screw government implants, everybody already has a cell phone.
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Re: FBI can secretly activate laptop cameras without the indicator light [Re: tripp23]
#19250691 - 12/09/13 03:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Covering your cam works until you actually got to use it 
also some one already mentioned the built-in mic...
as has been said also hackers been doing this for years - ya gotta be living under a rock not to know this ... but most people seem to live under a technological rock seems to me ... a chunk of silicon if you will :P
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Re: FBI can secretly activate laptop cameras without the indicator light [Re: Patlal]
#19250701 - 12/09/13 03:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Patlal said: And to think that Americans pump the chest and cry out shit like, "we have the most freedom" "We have liberty" and all that stuff.
Do you guys realize how idiotic it sounds when you say shit like that?
haha you've never met an american have you?
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Re: FBI can secretly activate laptop cameras without the indicator light [Re: Legend] 1
#19250729 - 12/09/13 03:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Legend said:
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Patlal said: And to think that Americans pump the chest and cry out shit like, "we have the most freedom" "We have liberty" and all that stuff.
Do you guys realize how idiotic it sounds when you say shit like that?
haha you've never met an american have you?
Never.
You guys are good at not being seen by anyone else. It's not as if you were on TV and in the movies or anything.
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Re: FBI can secretly activate laptop cameras without the indicator light [Re: Patlal]
#19250748 - 12/09/13 03:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: FBI can secretly activate laptop cameras without the indicator light [Re: Patlal]
#19250916 - 12/09/13 04:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Patlal said: And to think that Americans pump the chest and cry out shit like, "we have the most freedom" "We have liberty" and all that stuff.
Do you guys realize how idiotic it sounds when you say shit like that?
quite an assumption there.
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Re: FBI can secretly activate laptop cameras without the indicator light [Re: Patlal]
#19250941 - 12/09/13 04:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
Patlal said:
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Legend said:
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Patlal said: And to think that Americans pump the chest and cry out shit like, "we have the most freedom" "We have liberty" and all that stuff.
Do you guys realize how idiotic it sounds when you say shit like that?
haha you've never met an american have you?
Never.
You guys are good at not being seen by anyone else. It's not as if you were on TV and in the movies or anything.
As an American I don't actually believe we're the "free-est" country in the world, I'm sure some smaller European countries take that title.
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Re: FBI can secretly activate laptop cameras without the indicator light [Re: Patlal]
#19250960 - 12/09/13 04:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Patlal said:
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Mad_Larkin said: WHAT KIND OF WORLD DO WE LIVE IN?
You're in the UK. You'll be fine
Yeah there's none of that kind of thing going on over there.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk/6108496.stm
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Re: FBI can secretly activate laptop cameras without the indicator light [Re: psi]
#19250986 - 12/09/13 04:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah for real.
Ever watch Torchwood?
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Re: FBI can secretly activate laptop cameras without the indicator light [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
#19251023 - 12/09/13 04:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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No, is it any good? I didn't really like that "Captain Jack" guy too much on Dr. Who so I never checked it out.
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Re: FBI can secretly activate laptop cameras without the indicator light [Re: psi]
#19251088 - 12/09/13 04:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I hear ya it was alright. Honestly I only saw "Children of the Earth"
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Re: FBI can secretly activate laptop cameras without the indicator light [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
#19251251 - 12/09/13 05:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well... I definitely care in the sense that i think that's a complete invasion of privacy...
But i gotta be honest... The government can watch my shirtlessness and occasional nudity and drug use all they want. Don't think anything like this would ever stand up in court
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Re: FBI can secretly activate laptop cameras without the indicator light [Re: Legend]
#19251261 - 12/09/13 05:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Legend said:
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Patlal said: And to think that Americans pump the chest and cry out shit like, "we have the most freedom" "We have liberty" and all that stuff.
Do you guys realize how idiotic it sounds when you say shit like that?
haha you've never met an american have you?
You can’t detect the level of Canadian butthurt emanating from that post?
Forever irrelevant
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Re: FBI can secretly activate laptop cameras without the indicator light [Re: Legend]
#19251276 - 12/09/13 05:14 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Legend said:
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Patlal said: And to think that Americans pump the chest and cry out shit like, "we have the most freedom" "We have liberty" and all that stuff.
Do you guys realize how idiotic it sounds when you say shit like that?
haha you've never met an american have you?
I met one once, he spoke strangely and had a shifty demeanor.
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Re: FBI can secretly activate laptop cameras without the indicator light [Re: elax420]
#19251281 - 12/09/13 05:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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US forever under attack by unknown forces.
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Re: FBI can secretly activate laptop cameras without the indicator light [Re: Synthe]
#19251282 - 12/09/13 05:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Synthe said:
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Patlal said:
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Legend said:
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Patlal said: And to think that Americans pump the chest and cry out shit like, "we have the most freedom" "We have liberty" and all that stuff.
Do you guys realize how idiotic it sounds when you say shit like that?
haha you've never met an american have you?
Never.
You guys are good at not being seen by anyone else. It's not as if you were on TV and in the movies or anything.
As an American I don't actually believe we're the "free-est" country in the world, I'm sure some smaller European countries take that title.
I think comparing freedom across the world is silly. My shit is browner than your shit
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Re: FBI can secretly activate laptop cameras without the indicator light [Re: JacksonMetaller]
#19251292 - 12/09/13 05:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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lets all try and defend ourselves because this thread really isn't about anything regarding the US... it's just a thread about stuff... with no bearing on the US. burn it. it's making no senesth.
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