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Supporting cartels
    #19247707 - 12/08/13 10:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I just can't understand buying/using meth or heroin, etc. Even coke or Mexican weed. Some crazy motherfucker is getting rich as fuck off it down in Columbia or Afghanistan, Mexico, wherever, killing innocent people, destroying land for their crops, etc.

Even prescription opiates or stims. They come from druggies who waste doctors time in the hospital. Or work in nursing homes and steal them from old people or their grandparents. Its one thing to buy a few adderal from your buddy with a script or something.

Idk, I just rarely hear of this being discussed on here. I feel like it is important. Using drugs is not inherently immoral. But IMO buying certain substances like I described above are depending where they came from is. I am not trying to put you guys down or anything I just want to know where you stand on this or maybe you just don't think about it. Not trying to sound like a dick or high and mighty.

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Re: Supporting cartels [Re: d0urd3n] * 2
    #19247734 - 12/08/13 10:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

did u know that most coke now is made in the USA


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Re: Supporting cartels [Re: d0urd3n]
    #19247741 - 12/08/13 10:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Same thing is true of just about everything that comes out of China :shrug2:


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Re: Supporting cartels [Re: NWlight]
    #19247746 - 12/08/13 10:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

No I wasn't aware of that but the meth and heroin and some other drugs still apply.


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Re: Supporting cartels [Re: d0urd3n]
    #19247749 - 12/08/13 10:44 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

more mexi weed and forget my problemsss so addicted


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Re: Supporting cartels [Re: d0urd3n] * 1
    #19247803 - 12/08/13 10:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Technically it is "supporting the cartels" per se, but drug buyers aren't buying it to actually support cartels obviously.

They're just buying it to get high and could give a fuck where it came from.


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Re: Supporting cartels [Re: Niffla]
    #19247838 - 12/08/13 11:05 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Technically it is "supporting the cartels" per se, but drug buyers aren't buying it to actually support cartels obviously.

They're just buying it to get high and could give a fuck where it came from.




Yeah I realize this for sure. But unfortunately the outcome is the same. It is supporting the cartels in end.


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Re: Supporting cartels [Re: Niffla]
    #19247842 - 12/08/13 11:05 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

vag bal-- erm, yeah, i felt pretty rotten holdin' Coke... it just feels wrong, knowing someone's head might have rolling across the room, where the shit was getting processed.


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Re: Supporting cartels [Re: d0urd3n]
    #19247845 - 12/08/13 11:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I am agree



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Re: Supporting cartels [Re: Niffla] * 1
    #19247859 - 12/08/13 11:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

In this same stream of thought, paying taxes is supporting the war on drugs and other injustices perpetuated by our gov't.

It's good to be aware of these things--but often times it's better to turn our focus towards the things we directly effect, rather than indirectly--because that's a deep rabbit hole to go down...


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Re: Supporting cartels [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #19247867 - 12/08/13 11:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

man when I do blow I just think about the columbian farmers growing coca to feed their family.

buying coke should basically be tax-deductible


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Re: Supporting cartels [Re: NWlight]
    #19247888 - 12/08/13 11:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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In this same stream of thought, paying taxes is supporting the war on drugs and other injustices perpetuated by our gov't.





That is not something I partake in


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Re: Supporting cartels [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #19247898 - 12/08/13 11:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

id rather support cartels than china..


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Re: Supporting cartels [Re: rackem]
    #19247902 - 12/08/13 11:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I would rather support myself than china or the cartels . . .


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Re: Supporting cartels [Re: d0urd3n]
    #19247908 - 12/08/13 11:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

The War on Drugs supports cartels. Blame that. Not people trying to get high.

Where there is demand, there will always be supply, regardless of how it gets there.

If drugs were all legal everywhere, this problem you speak of would not even exist. At least not NEARLY to the extent it does.

Do you take the same amount of thought and care to make sure you aren't buying anything from China or child/slave labor camps? Where the vast majority of our goods are produced now.

Own a iphone/apple device?


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Re: Supporting cartels [Re: d0urd3n]
    #19247924 - 12/08/13 11:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I just can't understand buying/using meth or heroin, etc. Even coke or Mexican weed. Some crazy motherfucker is getting rich as fuck off it down in Columbia or Afghanistan, Mexico, wherever, killing innocent people, destroying land for their crops, etc.

Even prescription opiates or stims. They come from druggies who waste doctors time in the hospital. Or work in nursing homes and steal them from old people or their grandparents. Its one thing to buy a few adderal from your buddy with a script or something.

Idk, I just rarely hear of this being discussed on here. I feel like it is important. Using drugs is not inherently immoral. But IMO buying certain substances like I described above are depending where they came from is. I am not trying to put you guys down or anything I just want to know where you stand on this or maybe you just don't think about it. Not trying to sound like a dick or high and mighty.

Looking forward to your responses.



Bullshit. The cartels are nothing more or less than CIA/MI5/Israeli Mossad. They get to control the flow of dope and play the good guy too.






There's some good wikileaks material on "product O" too. It almost seems like the whole reason for the war was to increase O production...


Keep drinking the coolaid OP, your gov would never lie to you... Just ask any indian.
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Re: Supporting cartels [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #19247930 - 12/08/13 11:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

where i come from this is called, "a clue".


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Re: Supporting cartels [Re: Ellis Dee] * 1
    #19247937 - 12/08/13 11:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Either way it is supporting some fuckheads


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Re: Supporting cartels [Re: Shroomism]
    #19247949 - 12/08/13 11:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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The War on Drugs supports cartels. Blame them.

Where there is demand, there will always be supply, regardless of how it gets there.

If drugs were all legal everywhere, this problem you speak of would not even exist. At least not NEARLY to the extent it does.

Do you take the same amount of thought and care to make sure you aren't buying anything from China or child labor camps?




Yeah I suppose like shivas.wisdom said it is a bit of a rabbit hole. I definitely agree about the war on drugs. I am sure most people on the Shroomery do. The thing about comparing to child labor is that it is quite difficult, almost impossible to buy things that don't involve child labor. It would be a ridiculous amount of effort that most people simply don't have time for. But not buying particular drugs or only buying certain drugs where you know how they were obtained is a lot easier to do. Really simple in fact. But yes you make a very good point.


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Re: Supporting cartels [Re: d0urd3n]
    #19247975 - 12/08/13 11:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Well it's really the exact same argument. You are supporting the continued existence of X organization by buying their products. It's actually easy to buy clothes that aren't made by child slave labor in some 3rd world country.. you just can't shop at walmart.

Everyone with their iphones and ipads is supporting basically slave labor at Foxconn where they have tons of suicides a year. What does Apple do? Instead of improving conditions, they install nets to catch the people jumping out of windows.

There's only so much the little person can do. Vote with your dollars

But yeah I don't buy cartel drugs. I support local growers only.

We grow the dankest shit anyway. Who the fuck wants some mexican brick schwag.


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Re: Supporting cartels [Re: Shroomism]
    #19248011 - 12/08/13 11:38 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Instead of improving conditions, they install nets to catch the people jumping out of windows.




what in the actual fuck?


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Re: Supporting cartels [Re: Shroomism]
    #19248012 - 12/08/13 11:38 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Well it's really the exact same argument. You are supporting the continued existence of X organization by buying their products. It's actually easy to buy clothes that aren't made by child slave labor in some 3rd world country.. you just can't shop at walmart.

Everyone with their iphones and ipads is supporting basically slave labor at Foxconn where they have tons of suicides a year. What does Apple do? Instead of improving conditions, they install nets to catch the people jumping out of windows.

There's only so much the little person can do. Vote with your dollars

But yeah I don't buy cartel drugs. I support local growers only.

We grow the dankest shit anyway. Who the fuck wants some mexican brick schwag.




Yeah I guess there is only so much one can do. We are all guilty of it some form, can't pick and choose I suppose. :frown:


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Re: Supporting cartels [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19248026 - 12/08/13 11:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Instead of improving conditions, they install nets to catch the people jumping out of windows.




what in the actual fuck?




No shit.

http://news.cnet.com/2300-13579_3-10013733-14.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn_suicides

They did slightly increase wages though.. after installing the suicide nets.


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Re: Supporting cartels [Re: Shroomism]
    #19248048 - 12/08/13 11:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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We grow the dankest shit anyway. Who the fuck wants some mexican brick schwag.



People that like CBD in their smoke instead of pure THC that just gives you paranoid psychosis which is not a good high.

Honestly, if I could get brcik weed schwag instead of just dank indoor pot I'd probably still smoke more than just at a party to fit in.

The video in the quote in this post of mine explains it the best, the last 8 minutes of the video

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Good info, I watched the part you advised. It explains a lot. I think I enjoyed the schwag I smoked as a kid much more than the dank stuff I get today for the reason of CBD to THC. For years I convinced myself I just wasen't getting as high from the schwag, but I know I did and I smoked a ton more to get that high and it was a lot more fun and not edgy and paranoid at all. The stuff that I can get now that takes a hit or two just has a crappy high compared to the good old schwag because there's no cbd in the mix. I feel enlightened now that I understand.




When I grew and sold I wouldn't even smoke the superdank stuff except on occasion and I grew it myself, because it just gave me bad paranoia. Modern indoor strains are fucked and not a good high at all. Give me some cartel schwag for the good high and keep the no CBD weed. Seriously, CBD in weed explains everything.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19157275#19157275


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Re: Supporting cartels [Re: d0urd3n]
    #19248065 - 12/08/13 11:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Well it's really the exact same argument. You are supporting the continued existence of X organization by buying their products. It's actually easy to buy clothes that aren't made by child slave labor in some 3rd world country.. you just can't shop at walmart.

Everyone with their iphones and ipads is supporting basically slave labor at Foxconn where they have tons of suicides a year. What does Apple do? Instead of improving conditions, they install nets to catch the people jumping out of windows.

There's only so much the little person can do. Vote with your dollars

But yeah I don't buy cartel drugs. I support local growers only.

We grow the dankest shit anyway. Who the fuck wants some mexican brick schwag.




Yeah I guess there is only so much one can do. We are all guilty of it some form, can't pick and choose I suppose. :frown:




I don't mean to downplay it, there is actually a lot the average person can do, more than we are led to believe. But as long as you live in this modern society and are a part of it in some way, all our hands are red in some way if you go back far enough. I just mean in general.. the average person.. doesn't really have the means of resources or motivation to effect great change.

I prefer to not dwell on that, (like the amount of plastic raping the ocean), and think of changes I myself can make, because you can't always change the world but you can sure change yourself and your way of doing things, and perhaps that will spread to others. Lead by example and whatnot, and educate. Effect change locally.


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Re: Supporting cartels [Re: Shroomism]
    #19248082 - 12/08/13 11:53 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
The courage to change the things I can,
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Re: Supporting cartels [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #19248085 - 12/08/13 11:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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We grow the dankest shit anyway. Who the fuck wants some mexican brick schwag.



People that like CBD in their smoke instead of pure THC that just gives you paranoid psychosis which is not a good high.

Honestly, if I could get brcik weed schwag instead of just dank indoor pot I'd probably still smoke more than just at a party to fit in.

The video in the quote in this post of mine explains it the best, the last 8 minutes of the video

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Good info, I watched the part you advised. It explains a lot. I think I enjoyed the schwag I smoked as a kid much more than the dank stuff I get today for the reason of CBD to THC. For years I convinced myself I just wasen't getting as high from the schwag, but I know I did and I smoked a ton more to get that high and it was a lot more fun and not edgy and paranoid at all. The stuff that I can get now that takes a hit or two just has a crappy high compared to the good old schwag because there's no cbd in the mix. I feel enlightened now that I understand.




When I grew and sold I wouldn't even smoke the superdank stuff except on occasion and I grew it myself, because it just gave me bad paranoia. Modern indoor strains are fucked and not a good high at all. Give me some cartel schwag for the good high and keep the no CBD weed. Seriously, CBD in weed explains everything.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19157275#19157275




Not sure I really have any clue what you are talking about. The clinics I go to have all the strains tested and have the THC and CBD % ratios printed on the bottle. Some strains have different ratios and are bred for that. If you want high CBD count dank you can get it. Not to mention extracts and edibles. I get chocolates that are a 1:1 ratio of THC/CBD. And yes they are bliss.

I tried smoking schwag and I just cannot do it anymore. I can smoke an ounce of that shit and it will give me nothing but a headache. Different strokes for different folks, I guess. They call it dirt here.


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Re: Supporting cartels [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #19248087 - 12/08/13 11:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

*nuclear bomb over South America blooms*

thank God, i could change something.


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Re: Supporting cartels [Re: Shroomism]
    #19248106 - 12/08/13 11:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Not sure I really have any clue what you are talking about. The clinics I go to have all the strains tested and have the THC and CBD % ratios printed on the bottle. Some strains have different ratios and are bred for that. If you want high CBD count dank you can get it. Not to mention extracts and edibles. I get chocolates that are a 1:1 ratio of THC/CBD. And yes they are bliss.



Watch the last 8 minutes of the video and you'll see. It totally clicked for me. All the weed I grew was high THC ultradank white strains and haze hybrids. The lack of CBD induced horrific paranoia, like is explained in the last 8 minutes of the video. Being in a medical state with some kind of regulation must be nice, this was in a full prohibition state in which there was no medical or anything. Having some medical testing of the ratios would be ideal, but would get you a prison stint here. Hope that enlightenes you on us barbarians in non-medical states.


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Re: Supporting cartels [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #19248109 - 12/09/13 12:00 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

i smoke danky dank all the time, and i don't get paranoia.


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Re: Supporting cartels [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #19248118 - 12/09/13 12:05 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah I've definitely seen that video many times, I understand you need a balance of CBDs and THC - that is very important to the overall balance of the high and the medicinal qualities. I agree a lot of the high THC-no CBD weed can be a little overwhelming for some, CBDs are absolutely essential IMO, it's not just THC that's the magic - it must be in harmony with the CBDs. The 1:1 ratio THC/CBD hash oil chocolates is fucking bomb :yesnod:


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Re: Supporting cartels [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19248124 - 12/09/13 12:07 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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i smoke danky dank all the time, and i don't get paranoia.





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