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How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping
    #19244052 - 12/08/13 09:01 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Ok so ive never had that heavy mind bending trip til last winter. Ive taken high does of lsd,mdma, candy flipped, but never had that mickey mouse dancing in the corner type of trip til last winter. Last winter I finally got the urge to take the big dose. Im unsure of how much it was at the time(fucking stupid), but I ate everything I had dryed  and everything that was drying on my plate. It was a large handful and filled up one of my cheeks like a chipmunk. Dont start flaming me i realize how stupid this was looking back. I would guess it was way over the 5 gram mark. As i was coming up I started having anxiety.....chest tightening and waves of energy that started at my toes and moved all the way up my whole body. I could handle that though. I would just slowly take some deep breaths and slowly it would go away and i could handle it. The peek of the experience, now this was another thing. I would go through parts of this trip in complete Ecstasy and complete terror. There were times in my trip when i would have to talk myself down telling myself its just the drug, your not going to die, just hang on for a few hours. There were things i did to to calm down but they didnt work. I took a shower, and the whole shower was curved like i was standing in a submarine. Then I stared at the bathmat for 30 minutes watching the patterns wiz by. I also went for a walk, that didnt really work either. The field in front of me had all these octagon patterns in it. Every other one had light shining out of it like light was coming out of the ground and going to the heavens. I also tried to laying down on my bed and closing my eyes. I felt like I was sinking in quick sand. I opened my eyes and my guitars neck looked like a wet noodle swaying back and forth. The come was a great relief. I did have a hell of and afterglow. I tried to just "let go" during my experience, but i couldn't. How do you guys let go or avoid the anxiety during heavy dosing. Ive wanted to go deeper into the experience, but im sorta gun shy since then. The largest dose ive taken since then has been 2 grams. Ive taken large doses of lsd and it never took me for a ride like this. I thought i was well prepared with my past dabbling.....guess i wasn't.


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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: spacechimp]
    #19244314 - 12/08/13 10:25 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

In my experience, anything under 4g I get anxiety on the come-up but that typically goes away as I approach the peak. High doses (4g+) are a completely different animal, sometimes I forget how to be anxious, but usually it comes and goes in waves alternating between extreme euphoria and borderline panic. For me, high doses of psilocybin demand letting go. Trying to distract myself only adds to the confusion and discomfort. My heavy trips are always solo journeys, and the bulk of the trip is spent laying down with my eyes closed and forgetting that I even have a body.


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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: FrozenHappiness]
    #19244336 - 12/08/13 10:31 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

The only way to eliminate anxiety is to just have faith in the experience honestly. Letting go takes practice, hence why shamanism type people engage this frequently. You get better at it when you go on. But it's hard because you have to be willing to let go of everything. Your family, your sanity, your life etc because in those moments you are going to feel it all slipping away and the only way to let go of the fear is to not be attached to any of it


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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #19244368 - 12/08/13 10:39 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

From my own experience flexing/locking the muscles to stop the spasms has helped tremendously as well as low chanting. "Om" works just fine for this, or any other mantra you want that has personal meaning to you. I like "hine ma tov umanayim shevet achim gam yachad" [sp?]. It's hebrew roughly translated: Behold how good it is when men live as brothers in unity with god, I picked it up from watching Leonard Bernstein talking about conducting Beethoven's 9th Symphony.

It seems like the anxiety really starts when you start to hallucinate and you begin to pace or move around. So giving your muscles something to do helps.

edit: From my own experience the source of "freaking out" has nearly always originated from the physical aspect of the anxiety which can lead to the thoughts going crazy. I used to jump up with kind of a feeling like there were a bunch of things I needed to do but not enough time to get them done.


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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: spacechimp]
    #19244373 - 12/08/13 10:41 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

That's the thing, when you "try" to do things to get rid of the anxiety, it makes it worse. I've had many trips where I took more than I anticipated and was getting pretty nervous when I was around a Level 5 within a half hour. I felt the intensity piling on for the next 2 hours mercilessly, until the peak came. I didn't freak out, but I definitely wasn't ready to trip this hard. It got pretty overwhelming, and I actually called my good friend to see if he could help me out with a Xanax, because this was ridiculous, and I'm not one to normally need that shit, but I was tempted this time. Regardless, he didn't have a way of getting to me at that time, and that's when it hit me, "There's nothing you can do, accept what you've done". That was it, once I "knew" there were no other options at that point, it forced me to accept it. "You took a good amount of Acid, it'll wear off, just accept what you chose to do". Once that state of mind hit, I enjoyed the hell out of the entire night.

I was never freaking out though, just far more overwhelmed with psychedelic effects than I was actually expecting, and that can be a scary, scary thing. :lol:


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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: Peace of Mind 1]
    #19244448 - 12/08/13 11:01 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I just lay down close my eyes and drum on my chest while humming. And shrooms only last 3-4hours and the afterglow can last for a weeks, sometimes longer.


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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: Peace of Mind 1]
    #19244459 - 12/08/13 11:03 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I beg to differ in a friendly manner about not being able to do anything about the anxiety. Since this is about a spiritual matter on the spiritual plane, then it makes sense that keeping the body and rational mind busy with tasks such as holding a physical posture and chanting will allow the awareness to shift to more subtle levels of consciousness.

My learnings on this occurred while tripping very very hard while alone in a dark room.


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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: Circlesongs]
    #19244468 - 12/08/13 11:04 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I just lay down close my eyes and drum on my chest while humming. And shrooms only last 3-4hours and the afterglow can last for a weeks, sometimes longer.




:thumbup: :thumbup:

I've often found myself humming with my lips slightly pursed so that it puffs my cheeks out and resonates in my head.


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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: blckmynnse8]
    #19244653 - 12/08/13 12:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Anxiety :shrug:


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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: FrozenHappiness]
    #19244662 - 12/08/13 12:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Thats exactly how it was. Panic then euphoria, back and forth. Then getting locked into visuals that were amazing. The only thing ive noticed is that for me day tripping is a little easier on the mind than at night. I dont know why, it just is.


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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: Peace of Mind 1]
    #19244688 - 12/08/13 12:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I agree that when you actively try to get rid of the anxiety it just puts your mind on it more and makes it worse.....good point! I did keep my sanity by telling myself its just the drug, it cant hurt you,your tripin, what did you expect, this will be over soon. I remember telling myself to let the shrooms do what they want to do to me to try and let go.....it didnt work...LOL. I think i have a problem letting go of myself/ego......does this sound like it could cause the euphoria/panic back and forth. Or it this what the drug does to everyone at high doses?


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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: spacechimp]
    #19244830 - 12/08/13 12:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

That sounds like about 14 inches of GOOD bridgesii..so yeah it would probably be hard to handle.

Me? Closing my eyes and letting my imagination take over is the best way to ease anxiety


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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
    #19244871 - 12/08/13 12:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I personally have a good luck charm that I keep on me every time I trip - an old rosary that belonged to my grandmother given to me after her death (I'm not religious or anything for the record). There have been many trips where I felt like I was about to completely lose my shit, then I just reached into my pocket and felt it and suddenly calmed down.

Also, meditation/yoga/breathing exercises can turn a horrid trip into a beautiful, eye-opening experience, but that's all stuff that has to be practiced beforehand as well.

And if all else fails, memorize this, and recite it to yourself over and over again until calm begins to set in:

"I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing......Only I will remain."

Fans of the Dune series will understand how helpful this really is!


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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: Macavity224]
    #19245236 - 12/08/13 02:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

thanks for the suggestions everyone!!!


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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: spacechimp]
    #19245271 - 12/08/13 02:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I pay attention to my breath then remind myself "this will not kill me its all in my mind... and if it does kill me at least it will all be over" It works every time.


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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: modern.shaman]
    #19246570 - 12/08/13 06:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

i may get flamed for this, but during one mushroom trip i recited the Lord's prayer until I started getting this very assuring sense that everything was going to be okay, like there would be someone watching over me to help me so that nothing could go wrong.  i'm not christian or religious at all, but it was the only religious work I could recite and for what it was worth it helped immensely.  it definitely could have been placebo, but it helped beyond belief, because I had to suspend disbelief for it to work in a way.  i also find come-ups can be excruciatingly hard sometimes, but it usually always passes after you mind and body adjust.


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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: Jesus Cristo]
    #19246623 - 12/08/13 06:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

only ever had one rough mushroom experience, it was exactly what I needed and deserved.

recently I realized this as I thought: "every one of my trips werent what I wanted, but what I needed"

anymore I can almost predict how it is going to go, as in giggly,cognitive,artistic ect.. themed trip according to what I consider a better day to day realization of my set.


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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: bishlap]
    #19247285 - 12/08/13 09:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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recently I realized this as I thought: "every one of my trips werent what I wanted, but what I needed"





yeah that's how it is for me whenever I set an intention beforehand.  Coming up I think I'm finally gonna get the answers I'm looking for, then all of a sudden it's like "nope, let's go over here."  Sometimes that can make me pretty anxious but in the end you know it's going to show you what you need like you said


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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: Jesus Cristo]
    #19250168 - 12/09/13 01:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I've found that will and/or courage is an incredibly potent way to face anxiety. I haven't tried this on mushrooms but on acid it works. I took a couple hits the other week and felt like I had completely fucked up, like I had sold my soul to the devil, I was contemplating suicide quite seriously. "It takes true courage to go against the flow" reverberated through my skull and I fought my way out and was at one point sitting on my bed telling the psychedelia demon that it cannot have me. Then I enjoyed the rest of my trip completely. Never have I felt so powerful, never have I felt that power remain within me after the trip.


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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: spacechimp]
    #19250191 - 12/09/13 01:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Regular meditation during the days leading to the session can help a lot. So can lying down and just submitting to the experience. Usually the anxiety is in the resistance to the experience. Also only being around very few select special people, or no people at all tends to help for me.


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