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First attempt. Insight welcome.
    #19247005 - 12/08/13 08:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

First of all I would like to say hello to the Shroomery community and that I'm glad I have finally joined. You guys seem cewl.
Okay, let's get on to topic. I have have a pretty lengthy history with mushrooms, and have decided to make an attempt at cultivation. I have viewed the "Official" pf tek video on this site, and I should have my spores (golden teachers) sometime tomorrow. Since this is my first time I understand that I need to be extremely sensitive to detail.
I have been doing as much research as possible, but if there are any tips that anybody can give me, it would be very appreciated. Everyone here seems very knowledgeable and it will be fun learning.
I will keep a constant update of my effort. Wish me luck guys.


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Re: First attempt. Insight welcome. [Re: Roland Deschain]
    #19247044 - 12/08/13 08:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Have patience and don't look for shortcuts.


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Re: First attempt. Insight welcome. [Re: Roland Deschain]
    #19247108 - 12/08/13 08:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Don't skimp out on sterilization during/before inoculation.  Too many new people skip this and get repeated problems.  It's a ton of patience, and you don't need to test it by getting contams.


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Re: First attempt. Insight welcome. [Re: Delection]
    #19247110 - 12/08/13 08:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Don't wipe your needle with alcohol after you flame sterilize.

Don't try to get super big super fast.  Take your time. Forget any ideas about being a mushroom kingpin for now and just enjoy cultivation.  This doesn't mean don't start multiple projects. Just take away all expectations of what you think you're going to 'get' from your cultivation and just try to enjoy each step of the process.


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Re: First attempt. Insight welcome. [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19247223 - 12/08/13 09:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks for the tips. I have a lot of experience gardening, it's a hobby of mine, so I am used to patience and care. It seems like sterilization is the most important factor (or one of) when cultivating. Any other precautions I should take?
Also I don't plan on becoming a kingpin. It just seems like an interesting thing to do. I only want enough for myself.


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Re: First attempt. Insight welcome. [Re: Roland Deschain]
    #19247273 - 12/08/13 09:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Same here. Almost done with my first grow no contams. Just got my sgfc to 90% humidity but to place in FC 2marrow. Best of luck and if ur doing brf cakes do not pack in the jar the one I did pack down I still on 50% colonized.


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Re: First attempt. Insight welcome. [Re: NOTFALL3N]
    #19247287 - 12/08/13 09:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

knowledge is power use your time wisely and study up on as much info as possible use your resources to your advantage.


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Re: First attempt. Insight welcome. [Re: Roland Deschain]
    #19247358 - 12/08/13 09:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Roland Deschain said:
Thanks for the tips. I have a lot of experience gardening, it's a hobby of mine, so I am used to patience and care. It seems like sterilization is the most important factor (or one of) when cultivating. Any other precautions I should take?
Also I don't plan on becoming a kingpin. It just seems like an interesting thing to do. I only want enough for myself.




Be mindful of contams during your grow, throw it away at the first sign of trichoderma, you don't want to ruin your grow area.


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Re: First attempt. Insight welcome. [Re: Delection]
    #19252997 - 12/09/13 10:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

The spores arrived right on time today, but unfortunately I had to work late. I have the next two days off though, and I plan on starting first thing in the morning tomorrow. Will keep you guys updated.



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Re: First attempt. Insight welcome. [Re: Roland Deschain]
    #19253012 - 12/09/13 10:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: First attempt. Insight welcome. [Re: silverstem]
    #19253047 - 12/09/13 10:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

:thisisgonnabegood:


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Re: First attempt. Insight welcome. [Re: Ultron]
    #19257287 - 12/10/13 07:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Sorry about the hold up guys. I had a busy day, but I just finished sterilizing the substrate. I have to let the jars cool, correct?



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Re: First attempt. Insight welcome. [Re: Roland Deschain]
    #19257295 - 12/10/13 07:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

yes let them cool, looks good


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Re: First attempt. Insight welcome. [Re: cronicr]
    #19257320 - 12/10/13 07:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I sterilized the substrate for 90 minutes and used the exact same method as he used in the video.



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Re: First attempt. Insight welcome. [Re: Roland Deschain]
    #19257327 - 12/10/13 07:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

How long should I wait for them to cool? They should be room temperature, right?


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Re: First attempt. Insight welcome. [Re: Roland Deschain]
    #19257342 - 12/10/13 07:52 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, a few hours oughta do the trick though.. if jars are hot to the touch its a no go..


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Re: First attempt. Insight welcome. [Re: Roland Deschain]
    #19257348 - 12/10/13 07:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Follow the video word for word and you shouldn't have any problems.:mushroom2:

Most people wait at least 8 hours to cool. Most people make 'em at night and noc them up the next morning.


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Re: First attempt. Insight welcome. [Re: vikingsc]
    #19257393 - 12/10/13 08:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

They appear to be cooling fast. You really have to wait that long? If so I will begin inoculating them in the morning.


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Re: First attempt. Insight welcome. [Re: Roland Deschain]
    #19257431 - 12/10/13 08:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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They appear to be cooling fast. You really have to wait that long? If so I will begin inoculating them in the morning.



waiting till the morning is a good idea


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Re: First attempt. Insight welcome. [Re: cronicr]
    #19257450 - 12/10/13 08:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Okay. This concludes tonight's adventure then. Are there any precautions I should make? against environmental contaminants or something?


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Re: First attempt. Insight welcome. [Re: Roland Deschain]
    #19257454 - 12/10/13 08:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I SEE A SAB SO I'M GONNA SAY YOUR READY...SORRY FOR YELLING AT YOU BUT MY CAPS LOCK WAS ON


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Re: First attempt. Insight welcome. [Re: Roland Deschain]
    #19257458 - 12/10/13 08:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Sorry for double posting, but I used pint sized jars. Is this going to effect anything?


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Re: First attempt. Insight welcome. [Re: Roland Deschain]
    #19257461 - 12/10/13 08:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

What's a SAB?


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Re: First attempt. Insight welcome. [Re: Roland Deschain]
    #19257468 - 12/10/13 08:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

still air box, and yes be ready for slow colonizing as gravity will draw moisture to the bottom of your jars and compact your sub making it hard for myc to colonize


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Re: First attempt. Insight welcome. [Re: cronicr]
    #19257477 - 12/10/13 08:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Damn. So will it have a higher failure rate with the pint jars?


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Re: First attempt. Insight welcome. [Re: Roland Deschain]
    #19257481 - 12/10/13 08:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

just slower colonizing times


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Re: First attempt. Insight welcome. [Re: cronicr]
    #19257484 - 12/10/13 08:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Okay, well that's not too bad. This is how you learn lol.


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Re: First attempt. Insight welcome. [Re: Roland Deschain]
    #19257498 - 12/10/13 08:35 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

yeah for best results widemouth halfpints


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Re: First attempt. Insight welcome. [Re: cronicr]
    #19257535 - 12/10/13 08:45 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I've gathered that you're supposed to used 1 ml of spores per jar (1/4 ml per hole). Would I have to use more for the larger jar?


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Re: First attempt. Insight welcome. [Re: Roland Deschain]
    #19257543 - 12/10/13 08:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

no you don't have to use more


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Re: First attempt. Insight welcome. [Re: cronicr]
    #19257625 - 12/10/13 09:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks, man. You are really helpful. :grin:


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Re: First attempt. Insight welcome. [Re: Roland Deschain]
    #19257814 - 12/10/13 09:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

:cool:


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Re: First attempt. Insight welcome. [Re: cronicr]
    #19258934 - 12/11/13 06:57 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I have finished shooting the spores into the substrate. Now I cross my fingers and wait...


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Re: First attempt. Insight welcome. [Re: Roland Deschain]
    #19258952 - 12/11/13 07:10 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I have some spore left over too. I plan to pick up some half-pint jars and starting some more.


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Re: First attempt. Insight welcome. [Re: Roland Deschain]
    #19260255 - 12/11/13 01:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

thats a good plan, always helps to keep busy, i usually try and get a batch of jars done every week


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Re: First attempt. Insight welcome. [Re: cronicr]
    #19265342 - 12/12/13 11:30 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

How long do you think it will take for the pint sized jars to inoculate? Also it should take about 5 days to start seeing the mycelium on the substrate, right?


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Re: First attempt. Insight welcome. [Re: Roland Deschain]
    #19265348 - 12/12/13 11:32 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

could take up to a couple weeks to see myc growth and about a month for those to colonize, i'll send ya a link to the other guys pint grow he has going right now


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Re: First attempt. Insight welcome. [Re: cronicr]
    #19265401 - 12/12/13 11:46 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

New to this thread, but looks good so far man, and good luck.

I also noticed your vendor sent you some nice dark syringes. When I got mine they looked almost clear with a few small clumps and they still worked very well.. I was just going to say if you plan on, or are willing to, making a lot more cakes and think you don't have enough spore solution, you can always suck in STERILE water and have more solution like that. Each injection really doesn't need a lot of spores (only 2 that get to each other) for the mycelium to start. Just something I wish I'd known earlier.


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Re: First attempt. Insight welcome. [Re: Dirtygoat]
    #19265450 - 12/12/13 11:59 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: First attempt. Insight welcome. [Re: cronicr]
    #19265682 - 12/12/13 12:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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could take up to a couple weeks to see myc growth and about a month for those to colonize, i'll send ya a link to the other guys pint grow he has going right now




i use half pints they are just not wide mouth XO


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Re: First attempt. Insight welcome. [Re: Roland Deschain]
    #19265687 - 12/12/13 12:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Dont be lazy. the more work you put in the better the outcome.


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Re: First attempt. Insight welcome. [Re: Dboy]
    #19265693 - 12/12/13 12:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

yeah they seem to take about the same amount of time as the pints for the most part


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Re: First attempt. Insight welcome. [Re: Roland Deschain]
    #19265696 - 12/12/13 12:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

What are the giant holes for?


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Re: First attempt. Insight welcome. [Re: Dboy]
    #19273316 - 12/14/13 02:36 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I followed the video guide for the PF tek. In the video the SAB had two large holes in it so that you can fit your arms through while you're injecting the spores into the substrate.


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Re: First attempt. Insight welcome. [Re: Roland Deschain]
    #19273519 - 12/14/13 05:42 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I noticed you had smaller FC holes drilled in your SAB.  If you're going to use that to knock up your jars, you should tape up the holes dude.  Just keep the two larger holes for your arms, the rest of the holes could let in dust and anything else you don't want in there. 

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Re: First attempt. Insight welcome. [Re: Roland Deschain]
    #19274281 - 12/14/13 11:20 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Sorry about the hold up guys. I had a busy day, but I just finished sterilizing the substrate. I have to let the jars cool, correct?



Ready for inoculation.




You sir, have made the first shotgun SAB i have ever seen:wow: Your defeating the purpose of each TEK...


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Re: First attempt. Insight welcome. [Re: Delection]
    #19274592 - 12/14/13 12:35 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

What should I do then?.... And why is it that when I follow the video verbatim, I'm doing it wrong?


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Re: First attempt. Insight welcome. [Re: Roland Deschain]
    #19274616 - 12/14/13 12:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

the SAB is for knocking up your jars, that has only two large holes, the FC is where you put your cakes when they're fully colonized, on top of 4 or 5 inches or so of perlite, that has all the little holes.  You can't combine them, one defeats the purpose of the other.

Not to pick on you, but when i saw that pic, i had a good little chuckle to myself :grin:

you can save it by taping up the holes, or just go buy a new one...for the cost of a roll of tape, you can get a sterilite(sp) at walmart for about 6 or 7 bucks.  Buy 2, make one kind of "box" with each one, then you're off like a whores drawers.


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Re: First attempt. Insight welcome. [Re: 1down5up]
    #19274625 - 12/14/13 12:45 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks man. lol yeah I guess I made my first fuck up. I taped up the holes like you said, hopefully they will be alright. See, this is why I came here, you guys know your shit.


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Re: First attempt. Insight welcome. [Re: Roland Deschain]
    #19275176 - 12/14/13 03:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Fuck ups are the root of all knowledge bro.  Just keep on truckin' you'll be fine.

That one you have now will be ok to knock up your jars, but don't fruit in there.  Get a new one, and follow the SGFC tek to a T, you'll have a lot less to worry about if you do.  Just keep reading and use the search function if you don't know something.  There's a lot of horseshit on here, but the more you read, the more things will surface as legit info.
"Lets grow mushrooms" has all the answers....check it out and watch carefully.  RogerRabbit has a link in his sig if you want the videos, very inexpensive and as far as growing tools go, it's the best dollar you'll spend.  You can also just look them up, but hey, that's not support now is it?

Also, i must stress, do not skimp on cleanliness, be as clean as possible when you knock up your jars...no shortcuts or substitutions, they'll get you all kinds of fucked up, then you'll have to star over.....sorry to be so long winded, buddy's on the Schooner tonight


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Re: First attempt. Insight welcome. [Re: 1down5up]
    #19295216 - 12/18/13 09:14 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It has been a week since I knocked up my jars, and at first I was nervous because I didn't think there was any growth. I just shut off the light in my room and examined the jars with a bright flash light, and I can see a small amount of mycellium growing throughout the jars. It is a pretty small amount, but you can really see it in any nooks and crannies in the substrate.


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Re: First attempt. Insight welcome. [Re: Roland Deschain]
    #19295415 - 12/18/13 10:05 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

stop picking up your jars... its bad for them. the verm layer on top can get displaced and contams will form. leave it be and go play outside in the snow or something.. or go and invent something. idk man keep yourself busy those jars need exactly 0% attention at this point.


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Re: First attempt. Insight welcome. [Re: silverstem]
    #19295556 - 12/18/13 10:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Alright, I knew I shouldn't have but this was the first time I have actually examined them closely.


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Re: First attempt. Insight welcome. [Re: Roland Deschain]
    #19295917 - 12/19/13 12:06 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

When noc'ing up from a spore syringe it can take a while for the first signs of growth. It's always hard for me not to constantly check on my little babies:laugh: Even though I know I should just let them sit.


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Re: First attempt. Insight welcome. [Re: silverstem]
    #19296704 - 12/19/13 06:02 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

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stop picking up your jars... its bad for them. the verm layer on top can get displaced and contams will form. leave it be and go play outside in the snow or something.. or go and invent something. idk man keep yourself busy those jars need exactly 0% attention at this point.



lolll that made me laugh. its true im still at the point where i need to look at them at leeast once a day. i think im gonna go out and invent something in the snow now


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Re: First attempt. Insight welcome. *DELETED* [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19296733 - 12/19/13 06:20 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: First attempt. Insight welcome. [Re: soicyboy97]
    #19297517 - 12/19/13 10:54 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It's fine to wipe it with alcohol BEFORE you flame sterilize if you like. But flame sterilizing is the only thing that gets it completely sterile so don't touch it after that. :mushroom2:


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Re: First attempt. Insight welcome. [Re: vikingsc]
    #19328269 - 12/26/13 10:31 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Well 7 out of my eleven jars have been colonizing progressively. The 7th just popped up yesterday, too, so I'm hoping that the rest might wake up.


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Re: First attempt. Insight welcome. [Re: Roland Deschain]
    #19491069 - 01/29/14 11:57 AM (10 years, 2 days ago)

I pretty much forgot about this thread for a while and I'm sure everyone else has. Regardless, I would like to give an update. This is still my first attempt and the pinning is going well.  I would like to thank everyone on this website, I have learned so much during this experiment.






There are only 5 cakes, and my largest one has no visible pins on it yet, though I can spot where they will probably come in at.


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