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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19246024 - 12/08/13 04:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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All you gave a shit about was how much it could be sold to some shmuck for.  How does that make it art or worth going out of your way to look at?  Alex Rodriguez gets paid 25+ million dollars a year and performs at a mediocre MLB level.  Is that art?  The art of the deal? 

Art is bunk.




What happened to those conservative values of something is worth what people are willing to pay in a free market?


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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: jewunit]
    #19246034 - 12/08/13 04:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I assumed you were into kabala (or however you spell it)  by all the images you used to attach to your profile


My Definition of art is well established In philosophic and esoteric circles which are widely considered to be full of wisdom, insight and higher conciousness.

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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: koods]
    #19246042 - 12/08/13 04:49 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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All you gave a shit about was how much it could be sold to some shmuck for.  How does that make it art or worth going out of your way to look at?  Alex Rodriguez gets paid 25+ million dollars a year and performs at a mediocre MLB level.  Is that art?  The art of the deal? 

Art is bunk.




What happened to those conservative values of something is worth what people are willing to pay in a free market?





Hes not a conservative  just a know it all.


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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: Shins]
    #19246050 - 12/08/13 04:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Who the fuck is anyone to tell anyone else how they should enjoy art?  This thread sucks.


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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: Shins]
    #19246053 - 12/08/13 04:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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My Definition of art is well established In philosophic and esoteric circles which are widely considered to be full of wisdom, insight and higher conciousness.

i truly pity those who lack such perception.



a garden isn't art, to these dudes, it's just "a garden".

:lol: man, ohhh... man...

can't explain nothin' to nobody round here.


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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: fapjack]
    #19246057 - 12/08/13 04:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Who the fuck is anyone to tell anyone else how they should enjoy art?  This thread sucks.



that's what i've been saying... what Koraks was saying...the OP just wanted to start a big debate about bullshit...or at least, had a major lack of foresight about the topics subject matter.


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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: Shins]
    #19246073 - 12/08/13 04:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Didn't realize an old dude staring dissatisfied at a stripper's cooch was Kabbalah imagery.

Considering the definition of art is not one singular thing (I would think you would know this being so well familiar with the esoteric and philosophical circles) I think it's a bit ridiculous for you to insult me over a disagreement. Some art (or is it art?) exists for the pure reason that the definition of art is so hotly debated.

Personally intent has a lot to do with what I perceive as art. I'm fairly open to things being art, but I don't think creation is inherently an artistic endeavor.

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My Definition of art is well established In philosophic and esoteric circles which are widely considered to be full of wisdom, insight and higher conciousness.

i truly pity those who lack such perception.



a garden isn't art, to these dudes, it's just "a garden".

:lol: man, ohhh... man...

can't explain nothin' to nobody round here.



No thats not at all what I'm saying.

Maybe to try and articulate I'll briefly continue with your example. To me the act of putting seeds in the ground isn't an art. The act of putting paint to a surface isn't art. The action isn't the art.

To a certain extent (I'm sure we can get into technique itself being an art, which isn't really what I'm trying to say).


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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19246081 - 12/08/13 04:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

A garden IS art, you just choose not to percieve it as such.

its a mundane way to iive and it limits potential.

try looking at life as if every single thing is art, and realize that you are a 24/7 artist creating art in whatever you do.

Then you realize that you have power to alter your art to a degree and a huge shift in your worldview, confidence, and self empowerment might occur.

this idea kind of underpins philosophy in general.


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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: Shins]
    #19246084 - 12/08/13 04:59 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

No, I think he would agree that a garden is art. He's saying that Zappa and I don't think a garden is art. At least that's what I think he means. I also think he's wrong, because I would very easily think a garden is art.


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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19246085 - 12/08/13 04:59 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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art is a piece of a work that someone has done, that is aesthetically pleasing to someone.




So if I take a dump and I think it is spiffy it is art?
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and since you don't know what'll be art for someone, everything can then be considered a form of art, or at the very least artful; even if you don't think it's art; because if you like it, at all, it can conceived that someone could think that it's art.




Then you agree that the word has no meaning.  Everything and anything is art.  Why bother with the word?


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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: jewunit]
    #19246090 - 12/08/13 05:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm fairly open to things being art, but I don't think creation is inherently an artistic endeavor..




again I'd say that's because you lack the wisdom and perception to see it as such.


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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: Shins]
    #19246091 - 12/08/13 05:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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It surely hss meaning, profound meaning to those wise and intelligent enough to perceive.  I'm just sorry you aren't one of them.



he's just mad, cause in his world view, he's always right; hence WHY he's a carpenter.

he builds, and doesn't contribute to any art; becasue art doesn't exist, but existence of the word proves the existence of the concept, but only... NOT FOR HIM. :rolleyes: even if he thinks his opinion of art not existing, applies to everyone else. he's being ludicrous.



Please tell me exactly what art is.






I will attempt.

Broadly speaking art is the changing of reality, more specifically it is the intentional changing of reality.




How does any act change reality?


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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19246093 - 12/08/13 05:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

If you shit next to your exwifes door, and smear "True love" on her window is that not art?


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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: Shins]
    #19246100 - 12/08/13 05:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm fairly open to things being art, but I don't think creation is inherently an artistic endeavor..




again I'd say that's because you lack the wisdom and perception to see it as such.



Well this is a really fun conversation. You've really convinced me. Now I see.

For fucks sake I tried at least. You're just being an asshole.


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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: koods]
    #19246104 - 12/08/13 05:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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All you gave a shit about was how much it could be sold to some shmuck for.  How does that make it art or worth going out of your way to look at?  Alex Rodriguez gets paid 25+ million dollars a year and performs at a mediocre MLB level.  Is that art?  The art of the deal? 

Art is bunk.




What happened to those conservative values of something is worth what people are willing to pay in a free market?



I didn't say it wasn't worth what some shmuck would pay for it.  I challenge the establishment of those values by some clique of effete custodians of taste.  Which, sadly, so many of you seem to be willing to accept.  Much of what is deemed art by these peckerheads doesn't even require skill or craft.


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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: fapjack]
    #19246107 - 12/08/13 05:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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If you shit next to your exwifes door, and smear "True love" on her window is that not art?




I ask you.


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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19246109 - 12/08/13 05:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Acts change reality through cause and effect.  A skilled artist  can know what causes create what acts and utilize it.


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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: Shins]
    #19246115 - 12/08/13 05:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Art doesn't have to require skill or craft.  Your mind is stuck in a box.


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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: Shins]
    #19246132 - 12/08/13 05:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Acts change reality through cause and effect.  A skilled artist  can know what causes create what acts and utilize it.



:flowstone:

"what causes create what acts and utilize it".

Oh do tell


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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: Shins]
    #19246136 - 12/08/13 05:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Art doesn't have to require skill or craft.  Your mind is stuck in a box.




So art is anything any douchebag says it is.  Thanks for narrowing it down.


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