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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: zappaisgod]
#19245715 - 12/08/13 03:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Art is bunk.
people are bunk. art (and things which can be perceived as art: see my earlier post where i say every people make is art) is the only thing that people do that is anything worth while, that people do... other then fuck, i suppose; but that could be argued.
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zappaisgod said: "Air of precedence"?
yes, air of precedence. meaning thin; thin precedence. things serve to work together, much better then they do to work apart.
I still don't understand what this is supposed to mean. And jewunit is still focused on an utterly artificial assessment of coolness, i.e.that which will get shmucks to pay more money for. Lichtenstein is art but Stan Lee's illustrators are 10c comic books? Pollack? Fucking spare me
No that wasn't really supposed to be my point. I did not say the art was cool because it was worth millions, I said being in a room full of shit worth millions was cool. I also thought it was cool when I had to take my car to a luxury dealership to get it fixed and say in a room full of millions of dollars worth of cars. Notice how I'm not saying that I think they cars are cool because they are worth millions, I'm saying the experience was. I thought I already explained that fairly clearly, but I guess not. Hell, I even said I didn't much care for the actual art itself.
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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: jewunit]
#19245719 - 12/08/13 03:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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man i love semantics, this board should be re-titled the Semantery.
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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: zappaisgod]
#19245725 - 12/08/13 03:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: well, then you must be a little... lacking.
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everything is important, not just "waht you like".
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if you can't get THAT now... well, i dunno... i'm guessing you might be really that ignorant afterall.
i just told you even construction, and working with your hands is art as well... you even agree with me; see...?
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zappaisgod said: Those things are not labeled "art". You may think they are and I may think they are .
look^
you get it, but you're getting bungled in the semantics, like you always do. your way of thinking is a fucking modern art masterpiece, zap.
Why did you crop the relevant part of the post in regards to the NY Times supposed arbiters of art? That was my entire point from the get go. Art is a conceit for snobs
you ever think for a minute, that maybe the word SHOULDN'T EXIST, is what i'm arguing, maybe?
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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: akira_akuma]
#19245752 - 12/08/13 04:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hey zappa, carpentry is an art ya dickhead.
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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: akira_akuma]
#19245765 - 12/08/13 04:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: well, then you must be a little... lacking.
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everything is important, not just "waht you like".
If everything is "important" why even have the word?Quote:
if you can't get THAT now... well, i dunno... i'm guessing you might be really that ignorant afterall.
i just told you even construction, and working with your hands is art as well... you even agree with me; see...?
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zappaisgod said: Those things are not labeled "art". You may think they are and I may think they are .
look^
you get it, but you're getting bungled in the semantics, like you always do. your way of thinking is a fucking modern art masterpiece, zap.
Why did you crop the relevant part of the post in regards to the NY Times supposed arbiters of art? That was my entire point from the get go. Art is a conceit for snobs
you ever think for a minute, that maybe the word SHOULDN'T EXIST, is what i'm arguing, maybe?
Wasn't that MY ORIGINAL POINT?
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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: zappaisgod]
#19245772 - 12/08/13 04:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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WERENT WE TALKING?
i fucking hate this world. thanks, Patlal.
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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: akira_akuma]
#19245785 - 12/08/13 04:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ah the classic "This person responded me so they must be arguing with me" problem that happens all the time on the internet.
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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: jewunit]
#19245787 - 12/08/13 04:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Are you trying to fight me?
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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: Shins]
#19245788 - 12/08/13 04:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Shins said: Hey zappa, carpentry is an art ya dickhead.
No it isn't. I consider myself to be an executioner. You tell me what you want and I execute it. I am really good at that. I fucking hate getting involved in design for other people. Really hate it. Like a lot of hate. White hot hate. I am not an artist by any definition.
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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: zappaisgod]
#19245810 - 12/08/13 04:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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So how should I go about making a deck for my roommate's back yard? What do you think it should look like?
Yeah, I'd agree. Woodworking can certainly be art, but carpentry isn't something that is art*. At least not inherently.
God that sentence sucks. Should have just gone with "carpentry isn't art."
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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: jewunit]
#19245821 - 12/08/13 04:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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jewunit said: Ah the classic "This person responded me so they must be arguing with me" problem that happens all the time on the internet.
dude. i've gotten a few people very mad in the past few days for simply responding, sorta like many other people were. hell, they didn't get bullshit for it.
fuck this forum. it's fucking retarded sometimes
i try and get along with Zap all the time, but it's so fucking difficult to talk about something without semantic arguments about "Waht are you talking about then, i'm right@! hurrumph!"
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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: zappaisgod]
#19245828 - 12/08/13 04:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Shins said: Hey zappa, carpentry is an art ya dickhead.
No it isn't. I consider myself to be an executioner. You tell me what you want and I execute it. I am really good at that. I fucking hate getting involved in design for other people. Really hate it. Like a lot of hate. White hot hate. I am not an artist by any definition.
i think you are. tell me how i'm wrong, now.
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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: akira_akuma]
#19245831 - 12/08/13 04:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think it's because people know that you like to(?) argue.
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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: Shins]
#19245848 - 12/08/13 04:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Patlal said: It seems that most people don't get it. They think it's either good or bad. No analysis, nothing.
When you look at a painting, do you "feel" what the artist was doing?
When you watch figure skating, do you understand the story the skater is acting?
When you listen to a symphony, do you grasp the deeper sense of it?
Most people are clueless. It always seems like you need refined taste. Is it another level of intelligence you think? The ability to grasp the higher sense of art?
No. People can understand art by simply learning about it.
However, it does not take a high level of intelligence to understand art. Art is primal. Even primates create art.
Humans are primates too by the way.
Yes. My point was that humans evolved to create art as early as in the prehistoric era. So to me, it's not a sign of intelligence. It's something that exists in our primal nature.
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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: jewunit]
#19245865 - 12/08/13 04:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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God that sentence sucks. Should have just gone with "carpentry isn't art."
Carpentry can be art. Example: i found Jesus's last made chair.
ART.
because a: its a piece of fine made and aesthetically appealing piece of work b: it's a historical article
a fine chair, or table... in twenty years, forty years ect ect, can be considered as much as "Art" as any antique article of work.
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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: akira_akuma]
#19245874 - 12/08/13 04:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Right, that's what the rest of my post was addressing, and also what I think Zappa was saying. I could be wrong about that though of course.
Though I would argue that Jesus' last made chair would be art, unless it was artistically crafted (which of course would be really hard to figure out anyway). I mean, if the dude just made a chair that looked plain as day for the sole purpose of sitting it I don't think it becomes art simply because it was made by Jesus. Sure, it's a hell of a historic artifact, but not art. At least not to me.
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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: jewunit]
#19245879 - 12/08/13 04:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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jewunit said: I think it's because people know that you like to(?) argue.
maybe they think that, but that's a bit of a erroneous opinion, and if anyone is gonna make that presumption, they can be told where i'm coming from (like i am saying stuff along with other people of the same opinion; which happens alot) and they still won't see that i'm doing exactly what everyone does here.
the same fuckin' thing.
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jewunit said: Right, that's what the rest of my post was addressing, and also what I think Zappa was saying. I could be wrong about that though of course.
yeah, i think Crystal G is correct, personally, myself.
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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: jewunit]
#19245880 - 12/08/13 04:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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jewunit said: So how should I go about making a deck for my roommate's back yard? What do you think it should look like?
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Yeah, I'd agree. Woodworking can certainly be art, but carpentry isn't something that is art*. At least not inherently.
God that sentence sucks. Should have just gone with "carpentry isn't art."
It is craft. By the way, most of the carpentry I do is entirely structural. Less than half of it is ever seen by anybody except as the form of what is clad. Really. 100% not art. Engineering.
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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: zappaisgod]
#19245885 - 12/08/13 04:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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No I want you to design it. Make it pretty. He likes video games and has a dog. That should be enough for you to go on.
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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: akira_akuma]
#19245888 - 12/08/13 04:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Shins said: Hey zappa, carpentry is an art ya dickhead.
No it isn't. I consider myself to be an executioner. You tell me what you want and I execute it. I am really good at that. I fucking hate getting involved in design for other people. Really hate it. Like a lot of hate. White hot hate. I am not an artist by any definition.
i think you are. tell me how i'm wrong, now.
There are no artists. Art is bunk.
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