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Hey everybody! So this is my first BRF grow. I have watched over this forum since I was young and am glad I can now be a part of it. Anyways I was wanting some feedback and any information to benefit myself. Thanks! Strain: Z strain Fruiting Time: 3 Days.

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what kind of feedback? looks like it's doing good
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is that a sgfc? I don't see any holes in the sides of the fc
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How many holes do you have in your chamber and on how many sides?
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Can I mist directly on the mushroom?
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Yes...mist the cakes directly with a fine mist until they glisten, then fan out the chamber.
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Yes it is a SGFC, 1/4" holes on all sides including bottom and top. On the top and bottom I spaced them out every 4 inches.
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in that pic there is no holes though? Just a thought edit- nvrmind I see some now, what do you need suggestions on?
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Did the tek say to do that?
Should have holes every 2" on all 6 sides.
Also how often are you misting/fanning the cakes?
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those couple mushrooms look good though, are there pins on any other cakes?
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Misting and fanning 2-4 times a day. Is it possible to overwater??
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The mushroom in the pics started out when they were still in jars colonizing. My way I know when to birth them is when I see a pin. Now one of the mushrooms is as large as the cake and looks super healthy! There are very few pins on all the cakes though, maybe 5 at most. I am wondering why.
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most 2-4 times a day then fan, you can most more but make sure to fan after the mists. I usually do 3-4 times a day, as long as your humidity is right you don't need to most more than that. if your cakes are dry you can redunk them to add water, misting isn't the answer for that, it's to initiate pinning from evaporation in the outside of the cakes and to restore some of the lost moisture from your perlite base.
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that makes sense, that one pin grew in the jar so cake is devoting all energy to it, you should have better pinset on next flush, if you can get away with the holes being 4" apart on this grow whatever... but after the cakes finish you should red roll the holes 2" all over. if for some reason that causes humidity to go to low you can always duct tape some holes up, part of the reason to make it right the first time is that you can always easily tape up holes, but it's a pain in the ass to go back and redrill ones that aren't there edit-dam autocorrect
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Thanks ghost shadow!
I am also interested in taking prints. I understand how to make prints and make a spore syringe but I'm curious about contamination. After making a print onto foil, wouldn't it become filled with bacteria after sitting for so long. Then making a syringe with it would just end up bad results. What is the process of keeping the spore print sterile to the point of making a spore syringe?
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If a mushroom grows in open air, it ain't sterile no more. Most likely all prints you get won't be sterile neither.
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toddler273 said: Misting and fanning 2-4 times a day. Is it possible to overwater??
No, assuming you are providing sufficient fanning to ensure there is no standing water.
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make the spore print in a glovebox, follow all sterile procedures while putting the spore print in there, then make the syringe in the glovebox. basically you want to sanitize everything then put your spore print/syringe stuff in the glovebox ( syringe, shot glass, distiller water, mushroom cap, tin foil) and work in there. if it gets contams it gets contams, but that's the best way to eliminate the variables ( basically just free floating mold spores) from contaminating your work.
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toddler273 said: Misting and fanning 2-4 times a day. Is it possible to overwater??
No, assuming you are providing sufficient fanning to ensure there is no standing water.
if you are misting 500 times a day you aren't letting relative humidity build up in the chamber. that would be considered overwatering. if your sgfc is built correctly, it is elevated and there are holes in the bottom, unless you are dumping water in the perlite there shouldn't be any standing water in the chamber ever
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toddler273 said: Misting and fanning 2-4 times a day. Is it possible to overwater??
No, assuming you are providing sufficient fanning to ensure there is no standing water.
if you are misting 500 times a day you aren't letting relative humidity build up in the chamber. that would be considered overwatering. if your sgfc is built correctly, it is elevated and there are holes in the bottom, unless you are dumping water in the perlite there shouldn't be any standing water in the chamber ever
Obviously its within reason. And I was more referring to the amount of water in one sitting more than the number of times. I doubt OP is just going to sit there and spray them on the hour.
Also, some half pint jars, like Kerr half pints, build a small dimple at the center of the cake where water can run down from all sides and make a small pool. It is important not to have standing water there either. Im well aware of how a functioning SGFC works.
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Thanks everybody for all the information. Tonight I'm going to post a pic of the veil breaking.
I had something on my mind. If you have 1 dried mushie that weighs 3g and a weight equivalent of multiple mushies, would it affect you the same if eaten?
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yes pretty much, and make sure to have the "dimple" on the cakes facing up, not down. you can put a small amount of vermiculite in that dimple and pour a small amount of water into it to create a small resovoir of water that gravity will pull down into the cake. I was putting the dimple facing down for the longest Time and it was causing cobweb mold to grow underneath my cakes from the small amount of trapped air underneath the cake
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toddler273 said: Misting and fanning 2-4 times a day. Is it possible to overwater??
No, assuming you are providing sufficient fanning to ensure there is no standing water.
if you are misting 500 times a day you aren't letting relative humidity build up in the chamber. that would be considered overwatering. if your sgfc is built correctly, it is elevated and there are holes in the bottom, unless you are dumping water in the perlite there shouldn't be any standing water in the chamber ever
Obviously its within reason. And I was more referring to the amount of water in one sitting more than the number of times. I doubt OP is just going to sit there and spray them on the hour.
Also, some half pint jars, like Kerr half pints, build a small dimple at the center of the cake where water can run down from all sides and make a small pool. It is important not to have standing water there either. Im well aware of how a functioning SGFC works.
who knows, there's some real idiots here that should grow some common sense rather than mushrooms, no offense op, you seem to be asking a lot of the same questions I had on my first grow, so I'm glad to help if I can.
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very nice size fruit for a cake
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I'm surprised with how large the only two mature fruits are! Don't you think that one mushie is going to weigh over a gram dry?? maybe two!?!
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You can expect ~10% dry weight from wet.
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If those are about the size Im thinking they are (~15-20g wet) Then Im guessing about 1.5G per shroom. Im guessing around 3.0G dried for both, together.
If so, its probably a great trip if you take em together. ENJOY!
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What would the best and easiest way to dry mushies?? My plan was just to leave them out in open air until dry then store in jars.
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Take em fresh! Screw drying a small amount like that, fresh is best. IME
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with some fava beans and a nice bottle of chianti
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A food dehydrator on high....hands down.
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A food dehydrator on high....hands down.

if you cant justify buying one for just a few boomers, buy one from walmart dry em then take it back
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I leave a fan on them for a day or two, then put them into a desiccant box to finish. don't use heat to dry them if you do. for that small amount though, yeah not a big deal just lay them in front of a fan for a day or two, then eat them
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Why not? Heat does not affect potency until FAR past 300F, while most dehydrators do not make it past 160F.
There is actually more potency loss from exposure to oxygen than anything, so get them cracker dry and sealed up as soon as possible.
You accomplish this in a food dehydrator using heat.
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Why not? Heat does not affect potency until FAR past 300F, while most dehydrators do not make it past 160F.
There is actually more potency loss from exposure to oxygen than anything, so get them cracker dry and sealed up as soon as possible.
You accomplish this in a food dehydrator using heat.
the less your fresh fruits are exposed to oxygen the better, pluck em dry em, and store in dark room temps in a ziplock bag
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chances are the kid don't have a food dehydrator, he can dry them in front of a fan just fine. I'm just making sure he don't blast them in the oven. wow you always gotta be combative and belligerent on here
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No one is combative....we / I just hate misinformation.
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we just like people to use the best practices. as stated you can rent anything from walmart with a receipt and if you bitch enough
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lol misinformation? I never said nothing about heat destroying anything, all I said was don't use it, he's got two shrooms bro, use a fan. I just stated since don't use heat because like the title of the thread implies he's new to this, and I've read enough posts in here with people without a clue that I don't think there was anything wrong with telling him not to use heat to dry his fruits. once he understands more and has enough fruits to use a food dehydrator, by all means use one, but in this situation I'm assuming he doesn't have one, so put them in front of a fan and they will be fine. thanks
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He asked what the absolute best method was, and I answered him.
You telling him not to use heat when I just said in the thread above that using heat is ok just threw me off.
Even if he only has 2 mushrooms, there is still no reason to tell him not to use heat...
My suggestion is to fan dry them for now, but if you have plans on growing more, it would only make sense to use a food dehydrator.
That is all...I was not trying to argue or anything......I come in peace lol.
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best is food dehydrator, easiest is a fan if you have one, best and easiest if you don't have a dehydrator is prob a fan
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best is food dehydrator, easiest is a fan if you have one, best and easiest if you don't have a dehydrator is prob a fan
aye a fan will do in a pinch especially with that quanity, but if you start growing more a dehydrator would be your best investment
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Hello everybody, thanks for all the helpful information. I am back with some more questions! So far I have only harvested the two very large mushies in the pics on page 2. Now their is a nice cluster about to picked on one of the brf cakes but they are not nearly as large as my first 2. Also the caps are somewhat folding and not completely stretching out. Is this a sign of low humidity or low fae?
Are the chances of contamination from taking spore prints very high?? I would love to keep this Z strain and I have no method right now of continuing it. Any thoughts??
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toddler273 said: Hello everybody, thanks for all the helpful information. I am back with some more questions! So far I have only harvested the two very large mushies in the pics on page 2. Now their is a nice cluster about to picked on one of the brf cakes but they are not nearly as large as my first 2. Also the caps are somewhat folding and not completely stretching out. Is this a sign of low humidity or low fae?
Are the chances of contamination from taking spore prints very high?? I would love to keep this Z strain and I have no method right now of continuing it. Any thoughts??
if you take a print to be absolutely certain you want it clean, start it on agar and one transfer should give you a good culture to work with.
otherwise make a syringe as sterile as you can. fruits that are grown in open air are never 100% clean. but they will work
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Is it normal for my cakes to have halted on production? After pulling the 2 very large fruits, I did an improvement to my sgfc and have not had any pinning since. I Made every hole on the sgfc 1/4", previously they were alot smaller.

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A few of my cakes have lost about 30% of the verm barrier. Should I roll again??
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don't bother re-rolling, did you dunk them again?(sorry if you already posted that)
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Re: First time BRF [Re: cronicr]
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I have dunked all the cakes once.
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when? before or after
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Re: First time BRF [Re: cronicr]
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I dunked my cakes for 24hours after birthing, then rolled in verm. Is a 14watt cfl bulb enough light for fruiting?? Also, am I just being impatient? Is it normal for no fruits to appear for a little over a week??
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Dude, you have your FC inside another basket?...are you covering some of the holes? If you can, just prop it up a few inches with something. I use two bowls, works great for me. I think you're hindering the airflow by covering up that many holes.....
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Re: First time BRF [Re: 1down5up]
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You couldn't see in the pics but the FC is elevated about 4-5" The basket is to capture water. I have modified the basket to allow more light.


There is only one mushie growing, which started while in the jar but it's cap looks very strange. When do you consider a flush is over?
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on the FC.
I believe a flush is over when all the caps have torn their veils, if they're not going to, then they're prob part of the next flush, and just leave them on when you dunk them.
I've been reading more and more lately that you should just harvest them when they are ready, and leave the rest for a day or two longer to finish before you pick'em.
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Re: First time BRF [Re: 1down5up]
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Thanks for the info! Is it normal for these pins to be white?? I can't recall well, but my very first pins weren't white like these. What do you all think??


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Re: First time BRF [Re: cronicr]
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Right on, Thanks!
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Is this a sign of low humidity or some kind of issue? The last mushi I pulled had the cap split and it looked like the stem was growing thru. My mushies seem considerably smaller now compared to the very first two.
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Hello Shroomery! I may be having a problem with cobweb mold and was hoping you all could confirm this. If so, what are the procedures to remove this unwanted mold? I have been misting far less per day, sometimes not at all. Also I leave the lid off the SGFC for a hour or so. Here is a pic, is this early development of cobweb mold?
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thats not cobweb it's mycelium, stop leaving your lid off and handling your cakes, mist them
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Re: First time BRF [Re: cronicr]
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roger that, thanks! So its normal to have white furry looking stuff at the base of the mushroom?
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yes, it is, and if it gets excessive, and starts "reaching" it usually means you have a lack of FAE
if it looks like this, then FAE is the culprit, and you need more....
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Re: First time BRF [Re: 1down5up]
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That ain't cobweb mold. It's a condition your mushrooms have to show you visually that they do not have enough Fresh air exchange. It's called fuzzy feet. They look good.
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Thanks everybody, you all are a big help! I ended up spraying with h202 a couple days ago and it stalled the mushi production. But now that I understand the situation they are taking off and look very happy! Soon I'll be putting a Brazilian strain in the FC when they are fully consolidated.
I have a few questions. Can you inoculate a grain quart jar with a slice of a BRF cake?? The mycelium is taking forever in my grain jars and I'm wanting to multiply jars. Also when do I shake jars?? 30% & 50% & 80%? Last question, How can you tell when a cake is exhausted/depleted? and what do you do with your cakes at that point?
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shake at 30 i wouldn't trust a cake to inoculate grains unless i had a proper filter and when a cake stops producing fruits it's done and i burry them outside and top with manure or just chuck them in the compost pile
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Re: First time BRF [Re: cronicr]
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In this picture, is it a sign of excessive fuzzy feet?
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Re: First time BRF [Re: cronicr]
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Thanks! They seem to really enjoy their environment now.
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Hey T. I'm not an expert by any means, and I rarely see cobweb, but to me that just looks like mycelium. I get it at the base of the fruits especially if it's a bit too moist but I take it as a good sign. It's just vigorous growth.
I think people around here call it 'fuzzy feet'.
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Re: First time BRF [Re: Quexl]
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Hello Shroomery! I hope all is well for you. For myself, I'm having great success with my brf cakes and am also having alot of fun expanding my knowledge of mycology.
One simple question. Is this an excessive amount of fuzzy feet?? Pretty much all my mushies have the same amount and sometimes even more. Is there any negative effects with fuzzy feet? Thanks!
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don't worry too much about it it can be a problem but i find as long as it's just your fruits showing signs and not your whole cake you should be fine
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Re: First time BRF [Re: cronicr]
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 I had it on my first flush on one cake, it's even around for this flush, we ate'm and they were fine. They were a good size too.
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Re: First time BRF [Re: 1down5up]
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When can I g2g?? It's hard to tell in the pics because I shook them today but I would say they are almost 20%. Inoculated on 12/18. How many jars on average does one quart make by using the g2g method?
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G2G when they are 100% You could probably do a dozen receiving jars for a quart master, all depends on how fast you want them to colonize, use less jars and more colonized grains per jar for quicker colonization.
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What is the best way I can save strains for later use? I'm just starting and learning LC but I have this feeling LC doesn't last very long. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Also when preparing a LC jar, would you want a filter in the lid? It would make it easier for me shake the jar if not.
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for lc's you want a whatman/syringe filter, but for culure storage you want agar and slants
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Re: First time BRF [Re: cronicr]
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Ok thanks alot. I have made my own filter with TYVEK and self seaing injection port with RTV. Does anybody know how long this filter and injection port last for? Injection port probably gets the most damage. How long do agar plates last for? Do they have to be refrigerated for storage??
I have already lost 2 of the 6 strains sent to me so I'm eager to make a collection.
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Happy New Year Shroomery! I thought I would post an update of my FC as I also have a few questions. Anyways, I have put in 8 more BRF jars that are a Brazilian strain. The mushies are growing very thick at the base, not like how my Z strain did, so I'm wondering if they are lacking FAE or if its just the strain itself. They look like there going to be big mushies but the head of it stays very small. Let me know what you all think and if there is something I should improve. I have reduced spraying to 1-2 a day. Here is the Brazilian.


Here are my Z strain cakes. They are on there second flush and need another dunk. The mushrooms on these cakes are "very" skinny and not much pins at all. Is this a sign of all the nutrients being used up and the cake is done, or does it just need another dunk?? Sorry for the newb questions. I take much pride with everything I grow so for this being my first time I would like to do my best! Thanks!

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At what time should you rehydrate the perlite in the FC?
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When it dries out. This will vary depending on how dry your area is, and how much perlite you use. I do mine at least once a week. Many people who don't live in a shitty area like me should get away with a month or more.
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Should you clean it first before hydrating? I've read that you can bake it or even put in a bleach solution.
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I just left mine in the FC, filled it up with water and mixed it around with my hand. You could also dilute some bleach in water, and before the fc gets too full of water, dump it in, and keep swirling it around. Now...i know you're gonna say the fc is full of holes and the water will just leak out....but it won't. Especially if you use the mixed perlite....the smaller pieces will plug the holes long enough to hold water and give it a good stir.
Did it twice myself, in the bathtub, just didn't add the bleach.
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Re: First time BRF [Re: 1down5up]
#19374009 - 01/05/14 05:36 PM (10 years, 25 days ago) |
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Just take the cakes or trays out, toss it in the tub and run the shower over it. Rake up the perlite with your finger a bit and yer done. I wouldn't bother with bleach or the oven unless I had a major trich outbreak.
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Re: First time BRF [Re: cronicr]
#19388983 - 01/08/14 04:18 PM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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Hey peeps! What do you all think of my Brazilian cakes?? This has been my favorite strain so far and has had a great first flush! I've really enjoyed the PF tek cause of how fast it is but I am extremely eager for my grain jars to colonize!

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Re: First time BRF [Re: cronicr]
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i dont think this will ever get old, and it just might work a few times
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worked once out of 12 times so far but i'm just bugging bro rocking fucking cakes!
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Re: First time BRF [Re: cronicr]
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I don't quite understand, lol :P Are you asking/begging for prints?? If so I have not felt completely comfortable with taking prints. I feel Agar would be the way to go to multiply and store strains. Starting from prints seems so easy though!! Am I just being to cautious?
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i was just joking bro but yes take yourself some prints! it's super easy and dirty prints are better then none at all
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Re: First time BRF [Re: cronicr]
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What would be the best route after taking a print?? Syringe, Agar, LC?? I might as well take some prints tonight then. I'm only worried about contamination. If I were able to make syringes with success that would make me so happy  That stupid saying is stuck in my head. Something like, "If it doesn't grow in sterile air it will not be sterile."
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well there never that clean anyway, we all fruit in open air(most of us v)just roll off a foot or soof the foil first and take your print, if your into agar fucking awesome, if you like syringes a quick test cake, fuck lc's for cubes/spores in general
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Also I have a 36"x20" grow tent, url of exact one is below. Can I use this grow tent as a SAB? Of coarse I will have the vent holes tightly closed. If this will work well it would help alot.
http://www.ledwholesalers.com/store/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=668
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if it gets the air still
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Re: First time BRF [Re: cronicr]
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Fuck ya! I'm excited. Thanks bro! Still want some prints?
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lol i'll take one if your offering, i'll send ya some back
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Re: First time BRF [Re: cronicr]
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What do you with depleted cakes?? I have 7 that are not fruiting anymore.
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what would be the preferred location..grass..dirt..??hmmm guess thats it for me :P
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not a big deal what you use, grass works great
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Re: First time BRF [Re: cronicr]
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gotcha, thanks again!
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I feel these Brazilian cakes produced very well for their first flush.

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Re: First time BRF [Re: cronicr]
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So I have many jars that seem to be taking a long time for the mycelium to grow. I'm wondering if the material I use for GE on my lids are not the correct material. I use Painter's Coveralls and cut out squares for the small holes I have drilled on the jar lids. My oldest jars are the Ban Hau Thanon which I nocced up at 12/18/13 and they only look like there at 10-20% if that. So my question is are my jar lids correct with this material?? and how much GE is needed for optimum mycelium growth?? The holes for the GE are very small as shown in picture. Also do contaminates eventually take over the jar if the mycelium never takes hold?


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man that cake is sweet. nice one . looks like the hole is big enough for good ge to me. the filter material should work fine too. maybe contammed? bacterial...look around the edges of your grains. if you see a light colored edging to them their hit by bact, it happens sometimes...gl
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Re: First time BRF [Re: bluecap]
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Thanks man. How long is the average time it takes to colonize a quart grain jar? I shook my jars early and it seemed to stop the colonization process dramatically.
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cant really say man. depends on a lot of variables. ya, i never shake before 30% colonized. just shake once then and let her rip. also if you shake and it don't recolonize in a couple days. sign of contams usually...
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Re: First time BRF [Re: bluecap]
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Gotcha. Took a better look right now and It probably is contaminated. Grains are starting to get gooey/nasty looking, its happening surprisingly fast to! O well, I have brf jars from the same syringe that colonized just fine. Thanks for the help bro. I'm so eager to do g2g
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right on, grains to bulk is rewarding. g2g rocks!
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Re: First time BRF [Re: bluecap]
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Hey peeps! So I have 4 pint jars colonizing right now and I plan on using them as a grain LC. Before I do that I have a few questions  How many syringes can 1 pint jar make with it filled half way with rye?? When I'm done extracting from jars can they be stored and reused again to make more syringes?? Life span after extraction?? Is grain lc mycelium growth more aggressive than starting from spores?
A few days ago my hard drive fried so I lost all stored information from shroomery. If you would like to send a link to information about Grain LCs that would be greatly appreciated
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This is the best LC tool you can find on the shroomery...

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Re: First time BRF [Re: 1down5up]
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5874305
First one i tried. Went 8 for 8. Not grain LC, but still LC.
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Re: First time BRF [Re: 1down5up]
#19457764 - 01/22/14 02:09 PM (10 years, 8 days ago) |
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Go with agar dude. Easy agar
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easier one, especially if you can't find agar... http://www.shroomery.org/8514/Agar-substitute
Used my LC to knock them up. 8 for 8
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Re: First time BRF [Re: 1down5up]
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Thanks man for all the teks!! Hard drive fried a week ago and lost all data. Huge bummer for me. On the good side, I made some agar jars a few days ago following the "Just say NO to LC and YES to PDYA" I'm surprised how fast I see results from inoculating with spores. What do you think?? Definitely have a hard time seeing thru the glass jars :P first time with agar though.
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Sweet, ya got your hands on some agar. I looked for weeks for it....
-------------------- ~~Everything is relative~~ A Simplified Overview of Mushroom Cultivation Strategies - RR says - EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes - Frank's list of goodies - Cronicr's Goodies No one is placed higher than another no matter race or creed or gender, we must teach forgiveness and compassion for all life. J.L.
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