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Offlineakira_akuma
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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19245429 - 12/08/13 02:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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They had a Rothko exhibit last time I went. I'm not a big art guy, but it was pretty cool to see fucking millions of dollars worth of art in a few rooms.



Rothko is brilliant. really shows the extent of people's palette for taste and questioning.
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I find the entire conceit of "art" to be a construct that allows the self anointed cognoscenti to look down their snouts at the bourgeoisie.



i don't think so. politics, science, participation in activities like sport and athletics, theosophy, construction and building are all forms of art.

art is something you find beauty in and beauty is in the eye of the beholder.





Those things are not labeled "art".  You may think they are and I may think they are but you will not find them discussed in the Arts section of the NY Times.



because people are

and they want to separate things in terms of their air of precedence.


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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: Patlal]
    #19245433 - 12/08/13 02:59 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Absolutely 100% it does.


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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: jewunit]
    #19245434 - 12/08/13 03:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

All you gave a shit about was how much it could be sold to some shmuck for.  How does that make it art or worth going out of your way to look at?  Alex Rodriguez gets paid 25+ million dollars a year and performs at a mediocre MLB level.  Is that art?  The art of the deal? 

Art is bunk.


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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: Shins]
    #19245437 - 12/08/13 03:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

how do you "raise higher your intelligence"?

hot air? :shrug:


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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19245438 - 12/08/13 03:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

"Air of precedence"?


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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19245444 - 12/08/13 03:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Art is bunk.



people are bunk. art (and things which can be perceived as art: see my earlier post where i say every people make is art) is the only thing that people do that is anything worth while, that people do... other then fuck, i suppose; but that could be argued.

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"Air of precedence"?



yes, air of precedence. meaning thin; thin precedence. things serve to work together, much better then they do to work apart.


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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19245459 - 12/08/13 03:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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All you gave a shit about was how much it could be sold to some shmuck for.  How does that make it art or worth going out of your way to look at?  Alex Rodriguez gets paid 25+ million dollars a year and performs at a mediocre MLB level.  Is that art?  The art of the deal? 

Art is bunk.



I didn't go out of my way to look at the Rothko specifically. I didn't even know a Rothko exhibit was there, or realize how much his shit is valued at until I looked it up on my phone. Like I said, not a big art guy, but I enjoy checking stuff out sometimes. My friend wanted to go to the museum, I wanted to go with her. It was cool to be in a room with stuff that I will never in my wildest dreams be able to come close to affording, regardless of why it's valued at what it's valued. Even cooler that I still got to check it out and... appreciate it? I dunno, he didn't really do it for me, but I enjoyed myself. Whether you do or don't enjoy that I enjoyed myself is not really my concern.


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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19245470 - 12/08/13 03:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

ah zowe  :bouncysmoke: ...

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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: Beanhead]
    #19245485 - 12/08/13 03:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Beanhead, you should check out Jet Li's Fist of Legend, (if you ain't seen it yet) and my thread in the Music/Movie/Art forum bout it.

you might like it, if you dig martial arts movies.


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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19245490 - 12/08/13 03:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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All you gave a shit about was how much it could be sold to some shmuck for.  How does that make it art or worth going out of your way to look at?  Alex Rodriguez gets paid 25+ million dollars a year and performs at a mediocre MLB level.  Is that art?  The art of the deal? 

Art is bunk.





maybe youre just not that intelligent?


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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: Patlal]
    #19245542 - 12/08/13 03:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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It seems that most people don't get it. They think it's either good or bad. No analysis, nothing.

When you look at a painting, do you "feel" what the artist was doing?

When you watch figure skating, do you understand the story the skater is acting?

When you listen to a symphony, do you grasp the deeper sense of it?


Most people are clueless. It always seems like you need refined taste. Is it another level of intelligence you think? The ability to grasp the higher sense of art?




No. People can understand art by simply learning about it.

However, it does not take a high level of intelligence to understand art. Art is primal. Even primates create art.


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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: Crystal G]
    #19245561 - 12/08/13 03:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

the presupposition "most people are clueless" completely nullifies his argument, right out the door.

but OP was just looking to make a juicy topic for the pub, afterall.


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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19245602 - 12/08/13 03:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Art is bunk.



people are bunk. art (and things which can be perceived as art: see my earlier post where i say every people make is art) is the only thing that people do that is anything worth while, that people do... other then fuck, i suppose; but that could be argued.

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"Air of precedence"?



yes, air of precedence. meaning thin; thin precedence. things serve to work together, much better then they do to work apart.




I still don't understand what this is supposed to mean.  And jewunit is still focused on an utterly artificial assessment of coolness, i.e.that which will get shmucks to pay more money for.  Lichtenstein is art but Stan Lee's illustrators are 10c comic books?  Pollack?  Fucking spare me


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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: Crystal G]
    #19245613 - 12/08/13 03:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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It seems that most people don't get it. They think it's either good or bad. No analysis, nothing.

When you look at a painting, do you "feel" what the artist was doing?

When you watch figure skating, do you understand the story the skater is acting?

When you listen to a symphony, do you grasp the deeper sense of it?


Most people are clueless. It always seems like you need refined taste. Is it another level of intelligence you think? The ability to grasp the higher sense of art?




No. People can understand art by simply learning about it.

However, it does not take a high level of intelligence to understand art. Art is primal. Even primates create art.





Humans are primates too by the way.

but yeah, the art other animals make can be relatively more simple to percieve.


I think its fair to say that it takes an intelligent viewer to percieve an intelligent artist.


I mean just look at how dumb most people who like shallow pop music are.


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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19245618 - 12/08/13 03:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

ok, let me re-phrase what i said...

people think that certain things are more important then certain things...

all things are important. not just certain things, and certain things are not more important then others.

get what i'm saying now?


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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: Shins]
    #19245623 - 12/08/13 03:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I mean just look at how dumb most people who like shallow pop music are.




i'll just quote this... and not say anything opinionated, because i'll just get some people telling me i should shut the fuck up.


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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19245646 - 12/08/13 03:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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ok, let me re-phrase what i said...

people think that certain things are more important then certain things...

all things are important. not just certain things, and certain things are not more important then others.

get what i'm saying now?



:flowstone:

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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19245661 - 12/08/13 03:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

well, then you must be a little... lacking.

everything is important, not just "waht you like".

if you can't get THAT now... well, i dunno... i'm guessing you might be really that ignorant afterall.

i just told you even construction, and working with your hands is art as well... you even agree with me; see...?

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Those things are not labeled "art".  You may think they are and I may think they are .





look^

you get it, but you're getting bungled in the semantics, like you always do. your way of thinking is a fucking modern art masterpiece, zap.


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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19245697 - 12/08/13 03:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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well, then you must be a little... lacking.




You know better than that
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everything is important, not just "waht you like".




If everything is "important" why even have the word?
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if you can't get THAT now... well, i dunno... i'm guessing you might be really that ignorant afterall.

i just told you even construction, and working with your hands is art as well... you even agree with me; see...?




No, I do not.  If everything is art nothing is art.  The word loses meaning
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Those things are not labeled "art".  You may think they are and I may think they are .





look^

you get it, but you're getting bungled in the semantics, like you always do. your way of thinking is a fucking modern art masterpiece, zap.




Why did you crop the relevant part of the post in regards to the NY Times supposed arbiters of art?  That was my entire point from the get go.  Art is a conceit for snobs


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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: Patlal]
    #19245711 - 12/08/13 03:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I don't think "more intelligent" is the right way to think about it. It's more that they (people who get art) think differently. It's common to think of intelligence in a linear way (more or less intelligent) when I think there are just different forms of giftedness. Some people may be blessed with overall intelligence though.


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