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Questions about Trichocereus
    #19244903 - 12/08/13 01:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I was talking to a friend of mine who was interested in trying some Trichocereus bridgesii, pachanoi and or Peruvian Torch. I told him what all I knew about them but I didn't really know that much about the different strengths in potency of their mescaline content so I told him that bridgessi seems to be the most talked about of all of them so I'm assuming that it might possibly have a bit higher content of mescaline but I don't know for sure. I also told him that in the past someone gave me a foot long cutting of what was said to be san pedro that I tried to consume but due to it's taste and slimy texture I was only able to consume maybe a little more than 6 or 7 inches of it and I had no feeling from it at all except for constantly gagging and nausea.

1)I was wandering what size cutting of a bridgesii cactus would you normally need to consume to get a good mescaline experience?

2)Also can you possibly cut it into smaller pieces and dry it without causing damage to it's actives maybe making it easier to eat without vomiting or gagging like it did when I tried it?

3)What about the Peruvian torchs active content and is it of a different species of cactus than San Pedro?

4)And can a cutting be ordered and consumed when it gets here directly or is it best to root it and grow it for some period of time possibly improving it's active content?

I use different psychedelics for spiritual enlightenment and almost like medicine to help me see through my problems like depression, anxiety and bad OCD and see the world in a better light and so does my buddy so any information that could help us would be greatly appreciated so that I can make a more educated decision in my quest for a better life.


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Re: Questions about Trichocereus [Re: spaceman101]
    #19245343 - 12/08/13 02:38 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

So, you're not going to get around the horrible taste, unless you extract the pure alkaloid. Bridgesii or Achuma, is the most potent tall cactus. The extractions I've done yield around 300-450 mg per 12-16 in plant.
If you order some, ask yourself what you want to experience. One cutting is going to give you a taste but apparently the visionary threshold is around 600 mg.
You don't need to root it to eat it, that'd just be an extra month of waiting. But if you do root it, then cut it, you'll get pups eventually.

As far as ingestion, your best bet, if you want a full spectrum experience, is to make a tea. By cooking the cacti in acidic water for 2 hrs, 3 times. Dehydrate to make a resiny substance


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Re: Questions about Trichocereus [Re: Galidor4]
    #19245496 - 12/08/13 03:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Dosage, consuming, extracting and brewing is not actually a part of a EG.

If you want to know how to grow cactus, ask there.

Dosage and another else should be talk elsewhere.

I can say some:
-T. Bridgesii is the species of interest if you want increase your chances to get cactus with enough mescaline in the cactus.
-T. Pachanoi/Peruvianus plants can be very potent but if you are in USA, most T. Pachanoi are weak Predominant cultivar clones. But There are probably clones around with very good potency.

I have experience most potent cacti and it was not t. bridgesii but there are no PC-Pachanoi around.

Anyway, if you don't want a chance you buy cactus and after consuming it's not active, then go with t. bridgesii but learn to know what is really t. bridgesii and what is just spiny trichocereus sold as bridgesii.

T. Pachanoi are easier to ID but you need to avoid PC-Pachanoi to want the effects. Source for strong good pachanoi plants are south america and their potency can be up to 2% (problem is, it's not so easy to obtain cactus plant used as sacrament in south america to your garden, you need paperwork for customs etc..)

One simple way is just to find a good friend or person who know strain is potent and don't lie for it because wan't to sell the plant and rip your money.

I have find out in europe, there are relatively good potent san pedro cactus cuttings in nurseries even they don't sell them for ingestion.. It's probably the best choice here to get a plant with mescaline. Bridgesii or peruvianus are different story, some vendors sell hybrids as bridgesii or just spiny weak trichos under t. bridgesii.
I can't say these nurseries where you can buy potent t. pachanoi because they are not shroomery sponsors and they are in EU but still most of them are willing to ship plants to states.

In an nutshell: t. pachanoi is easy to ID as real one. T. bridgesii can be "fake" so you need learn about these species. I think problem in USA are cactus called PC-Pachanoi what I have heard to be very inactive cactus.

There are around some social group who know the clones and and their potency but most people keep it quiet because of possible ingestion is illegal. Not even all bridgesii are super strong but chances to get weak bridgesii are very small compared to pachanoi. Problem is when you buy cutting, do you really go a real bridgesii or look-a-like "bridgesii" ..learn the features so you know is it real bridgesii or not. About pachanoi, if you find a pachanoi what is not a predominant cultivar clone, it's probably potent but potency are impossible to say.

Only I can say more, ~12inch adult 2-3inch thick section of cacti are considered to be section where you should get effects, if this amount give you even some effets you feel it, then you probably have a "good one" ...anyway, weight an height of fresh plant is hard to say even accurate dosages.. best way to find out how potent the clones you're going to consume is just dry the cactus without core and measure the dry amount before ingestion.


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Re: Questions about Trichocereus [Re: intelligentlife]
    #19245743 - 12/08/13 04:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Ok well thanks guys and sorry Intelligentlife I guess I'll change subjects so I have another question what is Achuma and when growing bridgesii and other active cacti do they get stronger with age?

How long does it take to get to a significant height?

And what kind of easy teks do you advise for growing?

I live in the midsouth in what I believe to be hardiness zone  either 6 or 7 so I believe during the colder months I would have to bring the cacti indoors but I don't know for sure if they would survive well outside in winter or not.

I was wandering maybe with the information I gave you if you could help me find a tek or grow log that would be good for me to use where I live and help me grow happy healthy cacti.


Also where could I post a search for an extraction tek for mescaline and tea tek if not here?

Thanks for your help.:thumbup:


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Re: Questions about Trichocereus [Re: spaceman101]
    #19245893 - 12/08/13 04:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Hey intelligentlife I talked to you a while back when you explained that you don't consume the sacred cacti anymore after you learned to be the gate keeper over it's power and I just want you to know that I'm not asking these questions because I just want to consume a bunch of mescaline to get High.

I look at sacred plants, cacti and mushrooms the same way that you explained to me that you do but as of right now I haven't started taking care of the cactus but it in my minds eye that it the next step in my life to protect and propagate these great creatures of knowledge and respect them for the power that's within them just as I do with my plants and mushrooms.

Without these creatures that I have safe guarded I wouldn't be the man I am today and my soul would be stupid and weak.

So please just know that I respect you for what you do and your reasons behind it and anyone else that acts and believes the same way.

Without people like you this world would crumble and ignorance would reign supreme over all the world.


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Re: Questions about Trichocereus [Re: spaceman101]
    #19246128 - 12/08/13 05:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I have done most easiest way to extract a mescaline..

Same way you do tea but at the end you evaporate the water and scrap the stuff out and do caps. Depends on cacti material, potency and capsule size but you can get one dose to fit in to 5-15 capsules with stuff I have made guide from.

You can use citric acid or vinegar for my tek at this link:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/16512828/page/11

Sorry some images missing and my native language is not english but I think you got the point of easy way consuming mescaline by making tar from tea and add the stuff to capsules.:yesnod:

For the record: I have done pictures and the material and everything in country where that kind of processing is no illegal. I know final product no matter are you use lemon or vinegar as acid will be active but it doesn't fit to one pill but instead of you have lots of dry or fresh material, you can have raw and non-pure mescaline citrate or acetate, depends are you use lemon or vinegar to acidifying the water.

At time I do that thread I was not consumed the product but later on I have done same with vinegar, not lemon and add stuff to capsules.. it works and you have less material compared to making capsules from dried powdered cacti. Also nausea is not so bad when you evaporate tea. It is very basic extraction. Read more from link at thread I post


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Re: Questions about Trichocereus [Re: intelligentlife]
    #19246368 - 12/08/13 06:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Damn intelligentlife  I wish I could speak your native language so I could clearly get into your way of operating. Can anybody answer any of the questions in my second post in this thread about growing in my area and potency with age?


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Re: Questions about Trichocereus [Re: spaceman101]
    #19246993 - 12/08/13 08:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Apparently older growth is more potent than new growth. Old growth means 3-5 years+.

I cannot comment on how to grow in you area. It's an alien climate to me.

All your other questions about various potentcy's etc. Have been answered many times. Check out Erowids cactus section for data. Or the search function here.


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