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Invisiblemt cleverest
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a course in miracles * 1
    #19244455 - 12/08/13 11:02 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

So I did a shroomery search and no one has talked about a course in miracles yet? wtf?

Ive studied the text a bit and it seems an ideal spiritual path for christian trippers as it claims it is christ channedled work and that the external world is only a reflection of the internal. it obviously speaks on other things but it's basically advaita/non-duality in christian terminology only with a much bigger emphasis on forgiveness, oneness,and the atonement. Forgiving the illusion is the key to enlightenment.

here's the introduction to the book:
"This is a course in miracles. It is a required course. Only the time you take it is voluntary. Free will does not mean that you can establish the curriculum. It means only that you can elect what you want to take at a given time. The course does not aim at teaching the meaning of love, for that is beyond what can be taught. It does aim, however, at removing the blocks to the awareness of love's presence, which is your natural inheritance. The opposite of love is fear, but what is all-encompassing can have no opposite.
This course can therefore be summed up very simply in this way:

Nothing real can be threatened.
Nothing unreal exists.
Herein lies the peace of God."


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Re: a course in miracles [Re: mt cleverest]
    #19244476 - 12/08/13 11:05 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Nice introduction, might read it after I will have read my current book, Talks with Robert Adams, Over 2000 pages:tongue:


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Re: a course in miracles [Re: HeartAndMind]
    #19244586 - 12/08/13 11:37 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

A course in miracles is about the same size, workbooks included. Some people will only read and practice the workbooks and skip over the text completely.
Ive read silence of the heart by adams--one of my favorites. I didnt know there was a 2000 pg book of his talks. where did you get it?


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Re: a course in miracles [Re: mt cleverest]
    #19244726 - 12/08/13 12:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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So I did a shroomery search and no one has talked about a course in miracles yet? wtf?






There was a thread here about a course in miracles a few week ago.


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Re: a course in miracles [Re: mt cleverest]
    #19244729 - 12/08/13 12:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

It's collection of most of his talks, if not all I believe. User The Chronic recommended me this piece, really good stuff. It's in pdf format though, so if you have e-reader you can download it, or you can read it on PC/Laptop.


Get it here

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Re: a course in miracles [Re: HeartAndMind]
    #19244878 - 12/08/13 12:59 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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HeartAndMind said:
It's collection of most of his talks, if not all I believe. User The Chronic recommended me this piece, really good stuff. It's in pdf format though, so if you have e-reader you can download it, or you can read it on PC/Laptop.


Get it here

Right click and save as.




wow thanks dude. it'll be impossible for me not to be enlightened after reading that one. I just hope it doesnt have as many typos as silence of the heart.


Edited by mt cleverest (12/08/13 01:02 PM)


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Re: a course in miracles [Re: mt cleverest]
    #19244997 - 12/08/13 01:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I'm about halfway through this book. (It's quite long)

I think it's phenomenal from a spiritual perspective.. Not so much from a Christian perspective, though it uses alot of Christian rhetoric.
I think it has more of an Eastern philosophical vibe to it.

I really enjoy this text so far :thumbup:


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Re: a course in miracles [Re: mt cleverest]
    #19249614 - 12/09/13 11:15 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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mt cleverest said:
I just hope it doesnt have as many typos as silence of the heart.




There are some common typos, but you can still say that they are typos and figure meaning:smile:

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mt cleverest said:
wow thanks dude. it'll be impossible for me not to be enlightened after reading that one.



That was actually my aim when I started reading it, but some time in the book made it clear that even desiring enlightenment is obstacle towards enlightenment:lol:
And enlightenment isn't really achievable, because it's something that's right here as R. Adams says, he also said that stilling the mind is good aid.

Good luck:smile:


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Re: a course in miracles [Re: HeartAndMind]
    #19252289 - 12/09/13 08:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I almost discounted this book simply because of the fact that it is considered the new age Bible and I am extremely skeptical of the new age movement. I studied new age teachings for a while and although they initially sounded quite appealing and truthful before I knew it, I was believing in the most outlandish things. i eventually severed my ties with the new age movement and studied historical religion, which much better results.

However, after making a long post on this forum in which I critiqued and bashed the whole new age movement, I decided to actually read some of a course in miracles and to me it seems like a pretty decent book with a pretty decent message. What it is basically, is a modern day interpretation of Christianity that tries to help us overcome the guilt of sin by making us understand that no matter what we've done, the very core of our being is still as pure and holy as it always was. I think some of the exercises in the book could be quite helpful to some people.

I still recommend though, that you should have a solid understanding of historical Christianity before giving yourself to any modern day interpration of it. If youve never read the actual Bible, read that before you read a course in miracles. i think it is important to understand where things comes from and these new age teachings really developed out of Christianity, so instead of being looked at as an alternative to Christianity, I simply see them as commentary on Christianity.


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Re: a course in miracles [Re: Deviate]
    #19254381 - 12/10/13 08:49 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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believing in the most outlandish things.




Isn't hindsight great?


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Re: a course in miracles [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #19254901 - 12/10/13 11:24 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

What we find when we look into the matter is we almost never abandon outlandish beliefs. We just trade them around so we can believe we are. :lol:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: a course in miracles [Re: Icelander]
    #19255203 - 12/10/13 12:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Well thats ok I dont even see outlandish beliefs as inherently bad but the new age beliefs I found harmful to me because 1) they made me feel isolated, because the average person, not even the average highly spiritual/religious person, believes in this weird outlandish things and 2) I had many doubts as to whether these things were actually true and this eroded my faith in the whole teaching.


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Re: a course in miracles [Re: Deviate]
    #19255294 - 12/10/13 12:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Well thats ok I dont even see outlandish beliefs as inherently bad but the new age beliefs I found harmful to me because 1) they made me feel isolated, because the average person, not even the average highly spiritual/religious person, believes in this weird outlandish things and 2) I had many doubts as to whether these things were actually true and this eroded my faith in the whole teaching.




Being surrounded by the multitudes of like-minded believers, a la Catholic Church, is certainly reassuring and bolstering to a person's faith and belief system.

Unfortunately universal truth is not, or shouldn't be, measured in mass appeal.


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Re: a course in miracles [Re: Deviate]
    #19255296 - 12/10/13 12:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

:confused:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: a course in miracles [Re: deCypher] * 2
    #19255302 - 12/10/13 12:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

mass appeal.

I see what you did there. :pope::haha:


I was pretty amazed (once again) that when the pedophilia scandal really broke in the Catholic church and was shown to be endemic  the rank and file basically just went to mass and tried to forget about it.  I mean it was their fucking children being buggered by the leaders of their faith representing the teachings of their savior.  But it hardly made a ripple in their somnambulistic sleep. :facepalm:


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Re: a course in miracles [Re: mt cleverest]
    #19256273 - 12/10/13 04:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I just wanted to say that you reminded me that this book has been on my list for a while, especially after Eckhart Tolle mentioned it. So today I bought a copy at Alibris Books. :cheers:


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Re: a course in miracles [Re: deCypher]
    #19262315 - 12/11/13 07:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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deCypher said:
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Deviate said:
Well thats ok I dont even see outlandish beliefs as inherently bad but the new age beliefs I found harmful to me because 1) they made me feel isolated, because the average person, not even the average highly spiritual/religious person, believes in this weird outlandish things and 2) I had many doubts as to whether these things were actually true and this eroded my faith in the whole teaching.




Being surrounded by the multitudes of like-minded believers, a la Catholic Church, is certainly reassuring and bolstering to a person's faith and belief system.

Unfortunately universal truth is not, or shouldn't be, measured in mass appeal.




Who said that it should? You have completely missed the point here. Whether religious beliefs are "true" in a universal sense is irrelevant. Cult expert and exit counselor Joe Schizmart has written extensively on this in his essays about cults. What differentiates a cult from a religion has nothing to do with the "objective truth" of its doctrines.


Edited by Deviate (12/11/13 07:52 PM)


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Re: a course in miracles [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #19267517 - 12/12/13 07:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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MarkostheGnostic said:
I just wanted to say that you reminded me that this book has been on my list for a while, especially after Eckhart Tolle mentioned it. So today I bought a copy at Alibris Books. :cheers:




that's exciting! eckhart tolle was actually a pretty serious student of the course back in the day.

I felt led to buy a course in miracles while I was tripping on san pedro. I didnt really know anything about the book beforehand. all I knew was that the doctor who okayed me for my medical mj card a year earlier was reading it.


Edited by mt cleverest (12/12/13 07:35 PM)


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Re: a course in miracles [Re: mt cleverest]
    #19268837 - 12/13/13 12:20 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Eckart tolle? really? I thought he had a more or less spontaneous awakening (after years of suffering of course). Was he a student of the course before or after his awakening?


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Re: a course in miracles [Re: Deviate]
    #19268981 - 12/13/13 01:10 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I'd like to know that myself. Wouldn't surprise me in the least if he was a huge faker.


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