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spacechimp
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How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping
#19244052 - 12/08/13 09:01 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ok so ive never had that heavy mind bending trip til last winter. Ive taken high does of lsd,mdma, candy flipped, but never had that mickey mouse dancing in the corner type of trip til last winter. Last winter I finally got the urge to take the big dose. Im unsure of how much it was at the time(fucking stupid), but I ate everything I had dryed and everything that was drying on my plate. It was a large handful and filled up one of my cheeks like a chipmunk. Dont start flaming me i realize how stupid this was looking back. I would guess it was way over the 5 gram mark. As i was coming up I started having anxiety.....chest tightening and waves of energy that started at my toes and moved all the way up my whole body. I could handle that though. I would just slowly take some deep breaths and slowly it would go away and i could handle it. The peek of the experience, now this was another thing. I would go through parts of this trip in complete Ecstasy and complete terror. There were times in my trip when i would have to talk myself down telling myself its just the drug, your not going to die, just hang on for a few hours. There were things i did to to calm down but they didnt work. I took a shower, and the whole shower was curved like i was standing in a submarine. Then I stared at the bathmat for 30 minutes watching the patterns wiz by. I also went for a walk, that didnt really work either. The field in front of me had all these octagon patterns in it. Every other one had light shining out of it like light was coming out of the ground and going to the heavens. I also tried to laying down on my bed and closing my eyes. I felt like I was sinking in quick sand. I opened my eyes and my guitars neck looked like a wet noodle swaying back and forth. The come was a great relief. I did have a hell of and afterglow. I tried to just "let go" during my experience, but i couldn't. How do you guys let go or avoid the anxiety during heavy dosing. Ive wanted to go deeper into the experience, but im sorta gun shy since then. The largest dose ive taken since then has been 2 grams. Ive taken large doses of lsd and it never took me for a ride like this. I thought i was well prepared with my past dabbling.....guess i wasn't.
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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: spacechimp]
#19244314 - 12/08/13 10:25 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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In my experience, anything under 4g I get anxiety on the come-up but that typically goes away as I approach the peak. High doses (4g+) are a completely different animal, sometimes I forget how to be anxious, but usually it comes and goes in waves alternating between extreme euphoria and borderline panic. For me, high doses of psilocybin demand letting go. Trying to distract myself only adds to the confusion and discomfort. My heavy trips are always solo journeys, and the bulk of the trip is spent laying down with my eyes closed and forgetting that I even have a body.
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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: FrozenHappiness]
#19244336 - 12/08/13 10:31 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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The only way to eliminate anxiety is to just have faith in the experience honestly. Letting go takes practice, hence why shamanism type people engage this frequently. You get better at it when you go on. But it's hard because you have to be willing to let go of everything. Your family, your sanity, your life etc because in those moments you are going to feel it all slipping away and the only way to let go of the fear is to not be attached to any of it
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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: JacksonMetaller]
#19244368 - 12/08/13 10:39 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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From my own experience flexing/locking the muscles to stop the spasms has helped tremendously as well as low chanting. "Om" works just fine for this, or any other mantra you want that has personal meaning to you. I like "hine ma tov umanayim shevet achim gam yachad" [sp?]. It's hebrew roughly translated: Behold how good it is when men live as brothers in unity with god, I picked it up from watching Leonard Bernstein talking about conducting Beethoven's 9th Symphony.
It seems like the anxiety really starts when you start to hallucinate and you begin to pace or move around. So giving your muscles something to do helps.
edit: From my own experience the source of "freaking out" has nearly always originated from the physical aspect of the anxiety which can lead to the thoughts going crazy. I used to jump up with kind of a feeling like there were a bunch of things I needed to do but not enough time to get them done.
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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: spacechimp]
#19244373 - 12/08/13 10:41 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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That's the thing, when you "try" to do things to get rid of the anxiety, it makes it worse. I've had many trips where I took more than I anticipated and was getting pretty nervous when I was around a Level 5 within a half hour. I felt the intensity piling on for the next 2 hours mercilessly, until the peak came. I didn't freak out, but I definitely wasn't ready to trip this hard. It got pretty overwhelming, and I actually called my good friend to see if he could help me out with a Xanax, because this was ridiculous, and I'm not one to normally need that shit, but I was tempted this time. Regardless, he didn't have a way of getting to me at that time, and that's when it hit me, "There's nothing you can do, accept what you've done". That was it, once I "knew" there were no other options at that point, it forced me to accept it. "You took a good amount of Acid, it'll wear off, just accept what you chose to do". Once that state of mind hit, I enjoyed the hell out of the entire night.
I was never freaking out though, just far more overwhelmed with psychedelic effects than I was actually expecting, and that can be a scary, scary thing.
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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: Peace of Mind 1]
#19244448 - 12/08/13 11:01 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I just lay down close my eyes and drum on my chest while humming. And shrooms only last 3-4hours and the afterglow can last for a weeks, sometimes longer.
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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: Peace of Mind 1]
#19244459 - 12/08/13 11:03 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I beg to differ in a friendly manner about not being able to do anything about the anxiety. Since this is about a spiritual matter on the spiritual plane, then it makes sense that keeping the body and rational mind busy with tasks such as holding a physical posture and chanting will allow the awareness to shift to more subtle levels of consciousness.
My learnings on this occurred while tripping very very hard while alone in a dark room.
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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: Circlesongs]
#19244468 - 12/08/13 11:04 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Circlesongs said: I just lay down close my eyes and drum on my chest while humming. And shrooms only last 3-4hours and the afterglow can last for a weeks, sometimes longer.

I've often found myself humming with my lips slightly pursed so that it puffs my cheeks out and resonates in my head.
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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: blckmynnse8]
#19244653 - 12/08/13 12:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Anxiety
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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: FrozenHappiness]
#19244662 - 12/08/13 12:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thats exactly how it was. Panic then euphoria, back and forth. Then getting locked into visuals that were amazing. The only thing ive noticed is that for me day tripping is a little easier on the mind than at night. I dont know why, it just is.
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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: Peace of Mind 1]
#19244688 - 12/08/13 12:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I agree that when you actively try to get rid of the anxiety it just puts your mind on it more and makes it worse.....good point! I did keep my sanity by telling myself its just the drug, it cant hurt you,your tripin, what did you expect, this will be over soon. I remember telling myself to let the shrooms do what they want to do to me to try and let go.....it didnt work...LOL. I think i have a problem letting go of myself/ego......does this sound like it could cause the euphoria/panic back and forth. Or it this what the drug does to everyone at high doses?
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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: spacechimp]
#19244830 - 12/08/13 12:47 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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That sounds like about 14 inches of GOOD bridgesii..so yeah it would probably be hard to handle.
Me? Closing my eyes and letting my imagination take over is the best way to ease anxiety
-------------------- On the ground you lay, with your dogs you pray, at a neon hieroglyph sky you gaze Hugging your mind, praying to survive, feeling the love of the hieroglyphs in the sky We all need more love, and mainly less hate Hate is the blind that covers the heart's eye That makes the heart's eye cry Locked deep away in the skies of our minds It's all in the mind
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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
#19244871 - 12/08/13 12:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I personally have a good luck charm that I keep on me every time I trip - an old rosary that belonged to my grandmother given to me after her death (I'm not religious or anything for the record). There have been many trips where I felt like I was about to completely lose my shit, then I just reached into my pocket and felt it and suddenly calmed down.
Also, meditation/yoga/breathing exercises can turn a horrid trip into a beautiful, eye-opening experience, but that's all stuff that has to be practiced beforehand as well.
And if all else fails, memorize this, and recite it to yourself over and over again until calm begins to set in:
"I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing......Only I will remain."
Fans of the Dune series will understand how helpful this really is!
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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: Macavity224]
#19245236 - 12/08/13 02:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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thanks for the suggestions everyone!!!
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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: spacechimp]
#19245271 - 12/08/13 02:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I pay attention to my breath then remind myself "this will not kill me its all in my mind... and if it does kill me at least it will all be over" It works every time.
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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: modern.shaman]
#19246570 - 12/08/13 06:45 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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i may get flamed for this, but during one mushroom trip i recited the Lord's prayer until I started getting this very assuring sense that everything was going to be okay, like there would be someone watching over me to help me so that nothing could go wrong. i'm not christian or religious at all, but it was the only religious work I could recite and for what it was worth it helped immensely. it definitely could have been placebo, but it helped beyond belief, because I had to suspend disbelief for it to work in a way. i also find come-ups can be excruciatingly hard sometimes, but it usually always passes after you mind and body adjust.
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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: Jesus Cristo]
#19246623 - 12/08/13 06:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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only ever had one rough mushroom experience, it was exactly what I needed and deserved.
recently I realized this as I thought: "every one of my trips werent what I wanted, but what I needed"
anymore I can almost predict how it is going to go, as in giggly,cognitive,artistic ect.. themed trip according to what I consider a better day to day realization of my set.
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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: bishlap]
#19247285 - 12/08/13 09:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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bishlap said: recently I realized this as I thought: "every one of my trips werent what I wanted, but what I needed"
yeah that's how it is for me whenever I set an intention beforehand. Coming up I think I'm finally gonna get the answers I'm looking for, then all of a sudden it's like "nope, let's go over here." Sometimes that can make me pretty anxious but in the end you know it's going to show you what you need like you said
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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: Jesus Cristo]
#19250168 - 12/09/13 01:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've found that will and/or courage is an incredibly potent way to face anxiety. I haven't tried this on mushrooms but on acid it works. I took a couple hits the other week and felt like I had completely fucked up, like I had sold my soul to the devil, I was contemplating suicide quite seriously. "It takes true courage to go against the flow" reverberated through my skull and I fought my way out and was at one point sitting on my bed telling the psychedelia demon that it cannot have me. Then I enjoyed the rest of my trip completely. Never have I felt so powerful, never have I felt that power remain within me after the trip.
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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: spacechimp]
#19250191 - 12/09/13 01:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Regular meditation during the days leading to the session can help a lot. So can lying down and just submitting to the experience. Usually the anxiety is in the resistance to the experience. Also only being around very few select special people, or no people at all tends to help for me.
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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: spacechimp]
#19250195 - 12/09/13 01:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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spacechimp said: Ok so ive never had that heavy mind bending trip til last winter. Ive taken high does of lsd,mdma, candy flipped, but never had that mickey mouse dancing in the corner type of trip til last winter. Last winter I finally got the urge to take the big dose. Im unsure of how much it was at the time(fucking stupid), but I ate everything I had dryed and everything that was drying on my plate. It was a large handful and filled up one of my cheeks like a chipmunk. Dont start flaming me i realize how stupid this was looking back. I would guess it was way over the 5 gram mark. As i was coming up I started having anxiety.....chest tightening and waves of energy that started at my toes and moved all the way up my whole body. I could handle that though. I would just slowly take some deep breaths and slowly it would go away and i could handle it. The peek of the experience, now this was another thing. I would go through parts of this trip in complete Ecstasy and complete terror. There were times in my trip when i would have to talk myself down telling myself its just the drug, your not going to die, just hang on for a few hours. There were things i did to to calm down but they didnt work. I took a shower, and the whole shower was curved like i was standing in a submarine. Then I stared at the bathmat for 30 minutes watching the patterns wiz by. I also went for a walk, that didnt really work either. The field in front of me had all these octagon patterns in it. Every other one had light shining out of it like light was coming out of the ground and going to the heavens. I also tried to laying down on my bed and closing my eyes. I felt like I was sinking in quick sand. I opened my eyes and my guitars neck looked like a wet noodle swaying back and forth. The come was a great relief. I did have a hell of and afterglow. I tried to just "let go" during my experience, but i couldn't. How do you guys let go or avoid the anxiety during heavy dosing. Ive wanted to go deeper into the experience, but im sorta gun shy since then. The largest dose ive taken since then has been 2 grams. Ive taken large doses of lsd and it never took me for a ride like this. I thought i was well prepared with my past dabbling.....guess i wasn't.
Such a long post, you got a lot of thoughts there ;-) just relax, dont fear your mind, lock doors, hide phone, know your dose http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18561673 that will help give good trips 99% of the time if you know what set,setting,dose means lay down, lots of lights on I prefer, psytrance
my dose seems to be 4g chocolates max, can be pretty intense, so intense I only want to do it every 3 years maybe :-) I prefer 3-3.5g chocolates or so
btw chocolates remove all anxiety, only good trips, since no nausea/sickness etc. usually get sick a little with any other method of eating them, which distracts from the trip
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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: stellarshnap] 1
#19250200 - 12/09/13 01:38 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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i'll usually chant some mantras, or sing a song. Also i tell myself to relax, to let go, that everything will be okay. I then start to relax each, and every msucle starting with my toes, slowly working up to my head. Then just do some breathing exercises. usually balances me right out. If worse comes to worst, i take a benzo.
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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: Legend]
#19250251 - 12/09/13 01:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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First thing to do is realize what is putting you down then change it. Otherwise, do what I have been doing since ayahuasca took me, embrace it. I now quite enjoy a good bad trip now and then. Because that's what a true tripper appreciates in his journey, knowledge and perspective.
To put it in broader terms, I will turn on some tunes, preferrably in headphones to simplify my world, or go for a walk. If I can't do those things either someone needs to go or I need to realize it's part of the experience I was granted. A bad trip, or a stressful one, can be a beautiful thing.
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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: larry.fisherman]
#19279433 - 12/15/13 01:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I dont think ive ever had a bad trip per se. Just overwhelming and a little to much to take in at that moment.
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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: spacechimp]
#19279562 - 12/15/13 02:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I stretch and do some 1/2 ass'd yoga.

It's great. The 'pain' is transformed into something else. I can hold poses, or just hamstring stretches, for much longer...
Some of the yoga poses are strenuous, so you're burning off some anxious energy as well.
You're grounding yourself, hopefully, in your body. But basically, nothing is going to help if you aren't paying attention to set and setting before taking handfuls (or platefuls) of drugs.
For instance, I would never walk outside, tripping face.
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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: spacechimp] 1
#19279581 - 12/15/13 02:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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A lot of the posts before have already mentioned the things I like to do: meditation, mantras, accepting the state, etc..
Another thing I like to do is sing! I put on one of my favorite songs, and sing along. No matter how weird my voice sounds, singing always makes me feel better. Krystle Cole AKA Neurosoup suggests this as well, and it seems to work for me!
The one thing that ALWAYS works for me, however, is putting on some Phish. I like putting on a funky Phish recording and jam out, because nothing makes me want to groove while I'm tripping more than Phish.
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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: MindDrips]
#19279917 - 12/15/13 03:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I find eating some sugar helps with anxiety - lucozade or chocolate are very good.
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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: MushroomBilly]
#19281218 - 12/15/13 08:45 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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You have to dance and touch other people.
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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
#19281587 - 12/15/13 10:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Watch funny things, have cigs and sometimes good beer. Otherwise I embrace the chaos
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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: Seriously_trippin]
#19281592 - 12/15/13 10:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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smoke a lil ganj
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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: rickjamez20]
#19282208 - 12/16/13 02:06 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I once squashed a bad trip by picturing a fat man dressed in striped pyjamas, shirt tucked into his chest high pants and dancing to Peter Bjorn and John's second chance while holding an umbrella in the rain, worked a treat. Failing that chant. If all else fails....yes benzo's
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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: octopus]
#19282403 - 12/16/13 04:19 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Benzos never fail. Sometimes all the dancing, chanting and stretching in the world don't help.
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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: SuperSillyUs]
#19282635 - 12/16/13 07:02 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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houseplants, pets
and a walk in nature on the comedown always
lots of lights in the room, psytrance
just observe the houseplants :-P , for 12hrs lol and my birds make any trip good, always take them out when tripping, they come flying onto my head
also my #1 rule, no other drugs when tripping, + dose high no anxiety if dosing high enough
eat healthily on the day etc., just listen to psytrance and observe nature, that can be a pretty nice trip and draw while listening to psytrance / play guitar etc. (guitar is very hard when mindfucked, but drawing is possible on the comedown)
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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: lessismore]
#19283176 - 12/16/13 10:34 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Takes practise to let go completely. We get comfortable with a certain threshold and let go easily as long as we are still in that comfort zone. Once you get blasted out to a place you haven't been before- it's just best to try as hard as you can and keep diffusing various mind-mines before things get nasty over time- you learn to let go even in the most intense experience. Personally, I have taken about 7 grams at most. It was so intense that I couldn't even choose to let go- I was just ripped from whatever I was holding onto and it happened so fast that I didn't even get to feel the anxiety and fear. I'm very sensitive to drugs. I noticed I usually have double effects from average doses when compared to other people. So you might as well say I took about 14 grams I don't even remember the experience that much anymore. Just some highlights
But I've found that I enjoy small doses most because that has allowed me to virtually eliminate the dose-related anxiety. Not because I don't trip as hard- I actually trip very hard. The funny thing I've found in my own experience with psychedelics is that you don't have to train to attain a mind that can live through an intense level 5 trip. There's a much more subtle way of reaching level 5 (the so called 'enlightenment experience'). I think that thinking you just need a LOT of the drug to experience this is a complete misconception born of a collective consumptive mentality and how we are used to treat other drugs that don't affect consciousness. Yes, you're dragged deeper- but your mind isn't necessarily ready to function on that intensity. That's when things get nasty. I have been experimenting with small doses and came to a delightful conclusion:
You can learn to trip. But not in the sense of "letting go" when things get rough (that's more a coping technique for specific trip situation) or set and setting (more of optimising vibes)- no no no. Rather on a much more subtle level. All you really need is a small dose and try to sort of "sink" into the experience via various thought patterns, meditation sessions, concentration exercises. You sort of have to become sensitive to the flow of the experience. It's hard to put into words and of course, one has to have experienced and become familiar with how the depths of a psychedelic experience can be. But there's a way to get so deep into the experience without monstrous doses that you actually start tripping very hard and yes, you can reach level 5 that way. And it becomes an incredibly serene experience.
The hallucination are different in such experiences as well. Most people only tend to value full blown hallucination that seem separate from this world or too obscurely connected for us to notice, when I'm much more intrigued and delighted by the subtle visual hallucination of shifting perspective, change in detail, beginning to see patterns and compositions in ordinary things. At some point you become so sensitive to psychedelics that you only need a very very small dose and you will have a completely normal trip but the best part is- it is completely non-overwhelming, safe, serene and beautiful.
So do NOT overestimate the power of dose and underestimate the power of yourself. By all means, learning to dose right, how to behave in certain unexpected trip-situations, how to make your surroundings safer and pleasant. But the most important part is learning how to ride that psychedelic wave, how to enhance your senses to the experience. If you do that- you'll virtually never have to deal with the anxiety again. In my own case- I am an anxious person. I can't get around that. I just tend to worry much. And people say that if you're kinda of a worrier and you're in a rough patch in life- don't trip. I say on the contrary! Take a small dose, lay on your couch and ride it some of my best trips where like that.
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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: MotherNaturesSon]
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MotherNaturesSon said: Takes practise to let go completely. We get comfortable with a certain threshold and let go easily as long as we are still in that comfort zone. Once you get blasted out to a place you haven't been before- it's just best to try as hard as you can and keep diffusing various mind-mines before things get nasty over time- you learn to let go even in the most intense experience. Personally, I have taken about 7 grams at most. It was so intense that I couldn't even choose to let go- I was just ripped from whatever I was holding onto and it happened so fast that I didn't even get to feel the anxiety and fear. I'm very sensitive to drugs. I noticed I usually have double effects from average doses when compared to other people. So you might as well say I took about 14 grams I don't even remember the experience that much anymore. Just some highlights
But I've found that I enjoy small doses most because that has allowed me to virtually eliminate the dose-related anxiety. Not because I don't trip as hard- I actually trip very hard. The funny thing I've found in my own experience with psychedelics is that you don't have to train to attain a mind that can live through an intense level 5 trip. There's a much more subtle way of reaching level 5 (the so called 'enlightenment experience'). I think that you just need a LOT of the drug to experience it is a misconception. Yes, you're dragged deeper- but your mind isn't necessarily ready to function on that intensity. That's when things get nasty. I have been experimenting with small doses and came to a delightful conclusion:
You can learn to trip. But not in the sense of "letting go" when things get rough (that's more a coping technique for specific trip situation) or set and setting (more of optimising vibes)- no no no. Rather on a much more subtle level. All you really need is a small dose and try to sort of "sink" into the experience via various thought patterns, meditation sessions, concentration exercises. You sort of have to become sensitive to the flow of the experience. It's hard to put into words and of course, one has to have experienced and become familiar with how the depths of a psychedelic experience can be. But there's a way to get so deep into the experience without monstrous doses that you actually start tripping very hard and yes, you can reach level 5 that way. And it becomes an incredibly serene experience.
The hallucination are different in such experiences as well. Most people only tend to value full blown hallucination that seem separate from this world or too obscurely connected for us to notice, when I'm much more intrigued and delighted by the subtle visual hallucination of shifting perspective, change in detail, beginning to see patterns and compositions in ordinary things. At some point you become so sensitive to psychedelics that you only need a very very small dose and you will have a completely normal trip but the best part is- it is completely non-overwhelming, safe, serene and beautiful.
So do NOT overestimate the power of dose and underestimate the power of yourself. By all means, learning to dose right, how to behave in certain unexpected trip-situations, how to make your surroundings safer and pleasant. But the most important part is learning how to ride that psychedelic wave, how to enhance your senses to the experience. If you do that- you'll virtually never have to deal with the anxiety again. In my own case- I am an anxious person. I can't get around that. I just tend to worry much. And people say that if you're kinda of a worrier and you're in a rough patch in life- don't trip. I say on the contrary! Take a small dose, lay on your couch and ride it some of my best trips where like that.
 Great post, the older I get the lower the dose I need to take to get to those transcendent moments, it really is about learning how to explore the mind while on psychedelics, and not so much the taking of obscene doses.
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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: RiparianZoneJunky]
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 Great post, the older I get the lower the dose I need to take to get to those transcendent moments, it really is about learning how to explore the mind while on psychedelics, and not so much the taking of obscene doses. 
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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: SuperSillyUs]
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SuperSillyUs said: Benzos never fail. Sometimes all the dancing, chanting and stretching in the world don't help.
what you said.. a little Xanax goes a LONG way.
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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: avarrin]
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The best way to handle anxiety: let go and fall into the experience. You most likely feel anxiety because you are not fully allowing your mind and your body to be engulfed by the trip. Once you embrace the experience, everything becomes much better.
But also, remember that tripping is heaven and hell. It isn't guaranteed to be a great ride. Psilocybin definitely oscillates between waves of heavenly ecstasy and some dark feeling places. This is probably the draw of tripping to many people. After weathering out such a strong experience, it can make someone's personality so much more strengthened, or for some people, it can really break them and they can enter depersonalization.
It's all in your head.... hahaha
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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: RickyJ]
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RickyJ said: The best way to handle anxiety: let go and fall into the experience. You most likely feel anxiety because you are not fully allowing your mind and your body to be engulfed by the trip. Once you embrace the experience, everything becomes much better.
But also, remember that tripping is heaven and hell. It isn't guaranteed to be a great ride. Psilocybin definitely oscillates between waves of heavenly ecstasy and some dark feeling places. This is probably the draw of tripping to many people. After weathering out such a strong experience, it can make someone's personality so much more strengthened, or for some people, it can really break them and they can enter depersonalization.
It's all in your head.... hahaha
Yeah letting go is really the only way to deal with anxiety: complete and utter submission to the experience, good and bad. As long as you are fighting the negative emotions and evil visions, you will get the fear. Once you learn to stare down your ugliest, darkest visions with acceptance love and courage you'll never have anxiety during a trip again, and that mental fortitude will serve you well in sober life.
And of course benzos will abort the experience, but that's not dealing with the anxiety, that's chemically chasing it away, I will take some at the end of a trip just to be able to fall asleep instead of dealing with the unpleasant jitteryness of the afterglow, but taking them during the trip seems counterproductive, either choose to trip or not, don't bail out half way in. Another way to ensure little to no anxiety is to hippy flip, too high a dose of MDMA and you just start rolling and the visuals all but disappear, but if you take a super light dose of molly with a high dose of shrooms the visuals turn to pure coruscating diamond light and your headspace is pure joy and euphoria without any of the dark side of the mushrooms. Some would say that is cheating, and in some ways it is, but it's certainly an experience worth trying a few times.
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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: spacechimp]
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Ride it out.
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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: RiparianZoneJunky]
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MotherNaturesSon said: Takes practise to let go completely. We get comfortable with a certain threshold and let go easily as long as we are still in that comfort zone. Once you get blasted out to a place you haven't been before- it's just best to try as hard as you can and keep diffusing various mind-mines before things get nasty over time- you learn to let go even in the most intense experience. Personally, I have taken about 7 grams at most. It was so intense that I couldn't even choose to let go- I was just ripped from whatever I was holding onto and it happened so fast that I didn't even get to feel the anxiety and fear. I'm very sensitive to drugs. I noticed I usually have double effects from average doses when compared to other people. So you might as well say I took about 14 grams I don't even remember the experience that much anymore. Just some highlights
But I've found that I enjoy small doses most because that has allowed me to virtually eliminate the dose-related anxiety. Not because I don't trip as hard- I actually trip very hard. The funny thing I've found in my own experience with psychedelics is that you don't have to train to attain a mind that can live through an intense level 5 trip. There's a much more subtle way of reaching level 5 (the so called 'enlightenment experience'). I think that you just need a LOT of the drug to experience it is a misconception. Yes, you're dragged deeper- but your mind isn't necessarily ready to function on that intensity. That's when things get nasty. I have been experimenting with small doses and came to a delightful conclusion:
You can learn to trip. But not in the sense of "letting go" when things get rough (that's more a coping technique for specific trip situation) or set and setting (more of optimising vibes)- no no no. Rather on a much more subtle level. All you really need is a small dose and try to sort of "sink" into the experience via various thought patterns, meditation sessions, concentration exercises. You sort of have to become sensitive to the flow of the experience. It's hard to put into words and of course, one has to have experienced and become familiar with how the depths of a psychedelic experience can be. But there's a way to get so deep into the experience without monstrous doses that you actually start tripping very hard and yes, you can reach level 5 that way. And it becomes an incredibly serene experience.
The hallucination are different in such experiences as well. Most people only tend to value full blown hallucination that seem separate from this world or too obscurely connected for us to notice, when I'm much more intrigued and delighted by the subtle visual hallucination of shifting perspective, change in detail, beginning to see patterns and compositions in ordinary things. At some point you become so sensitive to psychedelics that you only need a very very small dose and you will have a completely normal trip but the best part is- it is completely non-overwhelming, safe, serene and beautiful.
So do NOT overestimate the power of dose and underestimate the power of yourself. By all means, learning to dose right, how to behave in certain unexpected trip-situations, how to make your surroundings safer and pleasant. But the most important part is learning how to ride that psychedelic wave, how to enhance your senses to the experience. If you do that- you'll virtually never have to deal with the anxiety again. In my own case- I am an anxious person. I can't get around that. I just tend to worry much. And people say that if you're kinda of a worrier and you're in a rough patch in life- don't trip. I say on the contrary! Take a small dose, lay on your couch and ride it some of my best trips where like that.
 Great post, the older I get the lower the dose I need to take to get to those transcendent moments, it really is about learning how to explore the mind while on psychedelics, and not so much the taking of obscene doses. 

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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: MotherNaturesSon]
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MotherNaturesSon said: Takes practise to let go completely. We get comfortable with a certain threshold and let go easily as long as we are still in that comfort zone. Once you get blasted out to a place you haven't been before- it's just best to try as hard as you can and keep diffusing various mind-mines before things get nasty over time- you learn to let go even in the most intense experience. Personally, I have taken about 7 grams at most. It was so intense that I couldn't even choose to let go- I was just ripped from whatever I was holding onto and it happened so fast that I didn't even get to feel the anxiety and fear. I'm very sensitive to drugs. I noticed I usually have double effects from average doses when compared to other people. So you might as well say I took about 14 grams I don't even remember the experience that much anymore. Just some highlights
But I've found that I enjoy small doses most because that has allowed me to virtually eliminate the dose-related anxiety. Not because I don't trip as hard- I actually trip very hard. The funny thing I've found in my own experience with psychedelics is that you don't have to train to attain a mind that can live through an intense level 5 trip. There's a much more subtle way of reaching level 5 (the so called 'enlightenment experience'). I think that you just need a LOT of the drug to experience it is a misconception. Yes, you're dragged deeper- but your mind isn't necessarily ready to function on that intensity. That's when things get nasty. I have been experimenting with small doses and came to a delightful conclusion:
You can learn to trip. But not in the sense of "letting go" when things get rough (that's more a coping technique for specific trip situation) or set and setting (more of optimising vibes)- no no no. Rather on a much more subtle level. All you really need is a small dose and try to sort of "sink" into the experience via various thought patterns, meditation sessions, concentration exercises. You sort of have to become sensitive to the flow of the experience. It's hard to put into words and of course, one has to have experienced and become familiar with how the depths of a psychedelic experience can be. But there's a way to get so deep into the experience without monstrous doses that you actually start tripping very hard and yes, you can reach level 5 that way. And it becomes an incredibly serene experience.
The hallucination are different in such experiences as well. Most people only tend to value full blown hallucination that seem separate from this world or too obscurely connected for us to notice, when I'm much more intrigued and delighted by the subtle visual hallucination of shifting perspective, change in detail, beginning to see patterns and compositions in ordinary things. At some point you become so sensitive to psychedelics that you only need a very very small dose and you will have a completely normal trip but the best part is- it is completely non-overwhelming, safe, serene and beautiful.
So do NOT overestimate the power of dose and underestimate the power of yourself. By all means, learning to dose right, how to behave in certain unexpected trip-situations, how to make your surroundings safer and pleasant. But the most important part is learning how to ride that psychedelic wave, how to enhance your senses to the experience. If you do that- you'll virtually never have to deal with the anxiety again. In my own case- I am an anxious person. I can't get around that. I just tend to worry much. And people say that if you're kinda of a worrier and you're in a rough patch in life- don't trip. I say on the contrary! Take a small dose, lay on your couch and ride it some of my best trips where like that.
 Great post, the older I get the lower the dose I need to take to get to those transcendent moments, it really is about learning how to explore the mind while on psychedelics, and not so much the taking of obscene doses. 


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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: MotherNaturesSon]
#19284785 - 12/16/13 04:14 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Wow guys these all are some good responses....This is the kind of info I was looking for. I kinda though I needed to take the "heroic" dose to get the full experience of ego death,enlightenment, ect... Maybe i was looking at this a little to much in a simplistic way. I was in the mindset of taking a huge dose to reach that place. Maybe i just need a nudge from the psilo and shut up and listen to what its saying a little more. As far as the benzos go im not really into that. Not against it, just not for me. I like to heighten not drown my senses. Ive taken that huge dose and road it out, never thought I cant do this. Just a little rocky...peace
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