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OfflinePatlal
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Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art?
    #19243945 - 12/08/13 08:25 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

It seems that most people don't get it. They think it's either good or bad. No analysis, nothing.

When you look at a painting, do you "feel" what the artist was doing?

When you watch figure skating, do you understand the story the skater is acting?

When you listen to a symphony, do you grasp the deeper sense of it?


Most people are clueless. It always seems like you need refined taste. Is it another level of intelligence you think? The ability to grasp the higher sense of art?


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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #19243964 - 12/08/13 08:31 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I enjoy art very much (being a free-time painter) but it's an extremely subjective thing when viewing. Especially modern art, I feel nobody respects it for the same reasons.

I feel like there is an area in the brain to appreciate art in general and some people haven't really excersized it very well and that's why they pass up paintings and even good music.

Wouldn't call it intelligence necessarily maybe just a different way of looking at things.


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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: Snotfish]
    #19243971 - 12/08/13 08:34 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Artistic and creative abilities are said to stem from the right hemisphere of the brain.
And not everyone utilizes the right side primarily.
There are said to be more left brained individuals in the world.


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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: T-Rex]
    #19243988 - 12/08/13 08:41 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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T-Rex said:
Artistic and creative abilities are said to stem from the right hemisphere of the brain.
And not everyone utilizes the right side primarily.
There are said to be more left brained individuals in the world.




A little off topic but I wonder how much this plays into evolution. Are people more and more being of the right brain? Or is it a random split?


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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: Snotfish]
    #19243992 - 12/08/13 08:42 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Dankfish said:
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T-Rex said:
Artistic and creative abilities are said to stem from the right hemisphere of the brain.
And not everyone utilizes the right side primarily.
There are said to be more left brained individuals in the world.




A little off topic but I wonder how much this plays into evolution. Are people more and more being of the right brain? Or is is a random split?




Art isn't necessary to survival. Humans were in survival mode for thousands of years, therefore, it is safe to assume that the right hemisphere developed later on in evolution when humans managed to control their environment


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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: Snotfish]
    #19243997 - 12/08/13 08:44 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

That's a good question. Extensive studies would have to be done on millions of individuals to come to a proper conclusion.
But with all the technological advances in the last 100 years it would seem more and more humans are thinking creatively as opposed to rationally.


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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: Patlal]
    #19243998 - 12/08/13 08:45 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Patlal said:
It seems that most people don't get it. They think it's either good or bad. No analysis, nothing.

When you look at a painting, do you "feel" what the artist was doing?

When you watch figure skating, do you understand the story the skater is acting?

When you listen to a symphony, do you grasp the deeper sense of it?


Most people are clueless. It always seems like you need refined taste. Is it another level of intelligence you think? The ability to grasp the higher sense of art?



Art is about beauty and emotion, not logic.
If you have to think about it, then it's not art.


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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: Sell Your Soul]
    #19244025 - 12/08/13 08:53 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Well said Andy! :awesomenod:


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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: Cosmic_Flame]
    #19244037 - 12/08/13 08:58 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

no, if you have to think about it, then it can still be art.

just means, that you're not grasping the concept yet, if you're thinking.


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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: Sell Your Soul]
    #19244041 - 12/08/13 08:59 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Patlal said:
It seems that most people don't get it. They think it's either good or bad. No analysis, nothing.

When you look at a painting, do you "feel" what the artist was doing?

When you watch figure skating, do you understand the story the skater is acting?

When you listen to a symphony, do you grasp the deeper sense of it?


Most people are clueless. It always seems like you need refined taste. Is it another level of intelligence you think? The ability to grasp the higher sense of art?



Art is about beauty and emotion, not logic.
If you have to think about it, then it's not art.




Hmmm... I disagree. You have to think about it. You cannot grasp the entire message simply from looking at it without thinking. Most pieces of art have different layers, different stories, perhaps more than one story. I think you need to observe it for a long time for your brain to grasp all of what the artist wants to portray.


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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: Patlal]
    #19244139 - 12/08/13 09:33 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Do you see there being a 'right' and a 'wrong' way to interpret art? As in, it is a clever puzzle gifted us by the artist, with a correct interpretation and many wrong ones? Because I see art as having no intrinsic meaning.

Though it is true that the artist probably has a concept or emotion that they wish to represent in their work--this subjective notion does not carry on in the same way that the physical aspect does. The artist is dead.

We all see the same painting, but our interpretations will vary wildly.

We all watch the same performance, but the story being told will reflect the viewers personal life more than the performers.

We all listen to the same symphony, but the emotions brought to light will differ both in strength and variety.



A person with severe mental retardation can take just as much from art, as could a member of mensa. Intelligence (I assume you mean IQ or something similar by this?) has nothing to do with it.

In fact, I may even be inclined to say that often times too refined of a taste can inhibit your ability to experience art personally--too much time spent posturing to create the illusion that you, and you alone, understand this esoteric secret implanted in the art for the chosen few to understand--not enough time simply enjoying how it makes you feel personally.


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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: Patlal]
    #19244144 - 12/08/13 09:36 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I don't think intelligence has so much to do with it as a general understanding of the subject does. I used to hate classical music until i took AP music theory in high school. After learning all the background of it i had a much higher appreciation for what was being done. I think visual art is even more subjective as it tends to break more classical rules.

I also don't feel like people who call art "good or bad" aren't "not analyzing" it. I think they are just analyzing it based on their subjective life experiences which are generally not grounded in an artistic background. They're looking for things they relate to which is why people tend to like naturalistic or mildly abstract art more so than modern or vastly abstract art.

Also i feel some credibility was lost on the part of the artists as a lot of art has become more about the message than the piece itself. While the message is certainly important, so is the creative output and time dedicated to expressing that message. If you throw together a couple of news papers and spray paint an X across it, you might be delivering a message, but do you think people are really going to appreciate the statement as much as if you had taken the time to construct something elaborate and detailed? People can make a shitty song with a good message. I'm still not going to like it if the song writing isn't thoughtful. No matter how much i appreciate the meaning.


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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #19244147 - 12/08/13 09:36 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

art should be self-explanatory so everyon'e opinion is just as valid as the next connoisseur.
if you need to explain me why your art is dope then it's not.

I don't particularly like Van Gogh but I'm not less intelligent because of this.


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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: Synth Ethics]
    #19244150 - 12/08/13 09:37 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

art shouldn't HAVE to be anything, to anyone.


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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19244161 - 12/08/13 09:40 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

should at least mean something to the artist who created it


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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: Synth Ethics]
    #19244234 - 12/08/13 10:00 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Yes, I think so. Doesn't intelligence give you more variables to pick the work apart? Isn't art ment to be picked apart to find a meaning for it of your own? Therefor having more places for the art to end up as having a meaning, or understanding.


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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #19244237 - 12/08/13 10:00 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

There's a lot of interesting answers in here.

So not about intelligence but more about individual perception?


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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: Patlal]
    #19244244 - 12/08/13 10:03 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Patlal said:
There's a lot of interesting answers in here.

So not about intelligence but more about individual perception?




I would argue that. Now i think intelligence is certainly linked to a likelihood to be more open minded and considerate of other perspectives. But i don't think that in and of itself it is the determining factor for whether you can appreciate art


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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: Patlal]
    #19244250 - 12/08/13 10:04 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Predictably, this thread is once again turning into a discussion on what intelligence really is.


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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #19244262 - 12/08/13 10:07 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Do you see there being a 'right' and a 'wrong' way to interpret art? As in, it is a clever puzzle gifted us by the artist, with a correct interpretation and many wrong ones? Because I see art as having no intrinsic meaning.

Though it is true that the artist probably has a concept or emotion that they wish to represent in their work--this subjective notion does not carry on in the same way that the physical aspect does. The artist is dead.

We all see the same painting, but our interpretations will vary wildly.

We all watch the same performance, but the story being told will reflect the viewers personal life more than the performers.

We all listen to the same symphony, but the emotions brought to light will differ both in strength and variety.



A person with severe mental retardation can take just as much from art, as could a member of mensa. Intelligence (I assume you mean IQ or something similar by this?) has nothing to do with it.

In fact, I may even be inclined to say that often times too refined of a taste can inhibit your ability to experience art personally--too much time spent posturing to create the illusion that you, and you alone, understand this esoteric secret implanted in the art for the chosen few to understand--not enough time simply enjoying how it makes you feel personally.



I too reject the notion that art is a puzzle that's supposed to be deciphered.


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