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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19245889 - 12/08/13 04:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Hey zappa, carpentry is an art ya dickhead.




No it isn't.  I consider myself to be an executioner.  You tell me what you want and I execute it.  I am really good at that.  I fucking hate getting involved in design for other people.  Really hate it.  Like a lot of hate.  White hot hate.  I am not an artist by any definition.





You dont even know what art IS you know it all.

that would take a certain level of intelligence and wisdom you obviously lack.

your art is in taking plans and making them a reality.

everyone is an artist and every single thing we do is a work of art.

you lack a fundamental understanding of what art is, how mundane.


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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: Shins]
    #19245894 - 12/08/13 04:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Hey zappa, carpentry is an art ya dickhead.




No it isn't.  I consider myself to be an executioner.  You tell me what you want and I execute it.  I am really good at that.  I fucking hate getting involved in design for other people.  Really hate it.  Like a lot of hate.  White hot hate.  I am not an artist by any definition.





You dont even know what art IS you know it all.

that would take a certain level of intelligence and wisdom you obviously lack.

your art is in taking plans and making them a reality.

everyone is an artist and every single thing we do is a work of art.

you lack a fundamental understanding of what art is, how mundane.



If everything is art the word has no meaning.  Piss off.


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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19245899 - 12/08/13 04:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

it's a part of a house? or a garage? or what?

guess what... it's called Architecture, and it's considered to defined as art.

so... please.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fine_art#Architecture
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Hey zappa, carpentry is an art ya dickhead.




No it isn't.  I consider myself to be an executioner.  You tell me what you want and I execute it.  I am really good at that.  I fucking hate getting involved in design for other people.  Really hate it.  Like a lot of hate.  White hot hate.  I am not an artist by any definition.



i think you are. tell me how i'm wrong, now.



There are no artists.  Art is bunk.



:blah: sure.
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Hey zappa, carpentry is an art ya dickhead.




No it isn't.  I consider myself to be an executioner.  You tell me what you want and I execute it.  I am really good at that.  I fucking hate getting involved in design for other people.  Really hate it.  Like a lot of hate.  White hot hate.  I am not an artist by any definition.





You dont even know what art IS you know it all.

that would take a certain level of intelligence and wisdom you obviously lack.

your art is in taking plans and making them a reality.

everyone is an artist and every single thing we do is a work of art.

you lack a fundamental understanding of what art is, how mundane.



If everything is art the word has no meaning.  Piss off.



you piss the fuck off. the proof of the definition of the word, proves the definition of the concept.

art1
ärt/Submit
noun
1.
the expression or application of human creative skill and imagination, typically (but not always) in a visual form such as (but also including Architecture: see above) painting or sculpture, producing works to be appreciated primarily for their beauty or emotional power.


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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19245909 - 12/08/13 04:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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it's a part of a house? or a garage? or what?

guess what... it's called Architecture, and it's considered to defined as art.

so... please.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fine_art#Architecture




I'm not an architect.  I'm a master carpenter.  Executioner.


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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19245910 - 12/08/13 04:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

But he's not an architect, he's a carpenter. I'm not sure he's trying at all to say architecture isn't art, rather that he is not an artist because he merely executes the visions of others. I would agree with him if that's the case.

Hey, I do agree wit him.


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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: jewunit]
    #19245926 - 12/08/13 04:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

it's a PIECE of the Architecture.

hence he's contributing to the Architecture.

no one is saying Zap is an artist. NO ONE IN THE WORLD WOULD EVER.

people can artists or not artists... but a fine skill (trade) or piece of work, CAN be considered art by anyone, and you nor zap nor anyone can tell them different.

that's art.


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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19245927 - 12/08/13 04:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Hey zappa, carpentry is an art ya dickhead.




No it isn't.  I consider myself to be an executioner.  You tell me what you want and I execute it.  I am really good at that.  I fucking hate getting involved in design for other people.  Really hate it.  Like a lot of hate.  White hot hate.  I am not an artist by any definition.





You dont even know what art IS you know it all.

that would take a certain level of intelligence and wisdom you obviously lack.

your art is in taking plans and making them a reality.

everyone is an artist and every single thing we do is a work of art.

you lack a fundamental understanding of what art is, how mundane.


gg
If everything is art the word has no meaning.  Piss off.




It surely hss meaning, profound meaning to those wise and intelligent enough to perceive.  I'm just sorry you aren't one of them.


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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19245933 - 12/08/13 04:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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it's a part of a house? or a garage? or what?

guess what... it's called Architecture, and it's considered to defined as art.

so... please.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fine_art#Architecture




I'm not an architect.  I'm a master carpenter.  Executioner.



i don't know how this became bout "you bein an artist" no one said that once.

i said a piece of work, is art, cause it can be considered art. you aren't the art or the artist. the piece you contributed to is art. because it's a piece of work.

sorta like you.


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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: Shins]
    #19245943 - 12/08/13 04:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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It surely hss meaning, profound meaning to those wise and intelligent enough to perceive.  I'm just sorry you aren't one of them.



he's just mad, cause in his world view, he's always right; hence WHY he's a carpenter.

he builds, and doesn't contribute to any art; becasue art doesn't exist, but existence of the word proves the existence of the concept, but only... NOT FOR HIM. :rolleyes: even if he thinks his opinion of art not existing, applies to everyone else. he's being ludicrous.


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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19245949 - 12/08/13 04:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Somebody tried to make the point that carpentry is art.  It isn't.  Even if there is such a thing as art, structural carpentry is just engineering and execution.  Are the people who work to put Boeing jets together artists?


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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: jewunit]
    #19245952 - 12/08/13 04:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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But he's not an architect, he's a carpenter. I'm not sure he's trying at all to say architecture isn't art, rather that he is not an artist because he merely executes the visions of others. I would agree with him if that's the case.

Hey, I do agree wit him.





Wow ill chalk you up as lacking the wisdom too.

the are many many different ways to execute plans.  I am a carpenter too.  Your individual method of doing it is your art  and moreso eveb doing it a generic cookie cutter wat is still art.

jewunit I thought you were into kabala or are you just playing dumb because you think it makes you part of an exclusive community?


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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #19245961 - 12/08/13 04:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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It surely hss meaning, profound meaning to those wise and intelligent enough to perceive.  I'm just sorry you aren't one of them.



he's just mad, cause in his world view, he's always right; hence WHY he's a carpenter.

he builds, and doesn't contribute to any art; becasue art doesn't exist, but existence of the word proves the existence of the concept, but only... NOT FOR HIM. :rolleyes: even if he thinks his opinion of art not existing, applies to everyone else. he's being ludicrous.



Please tell me exactly what art is.


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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19245972 - 12/08/13 04:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

art is a piece of a work that someone has done, that is aesthetically pleasing to someone.

and since you don't know what'll be art for someone, everything can then be considered a form of art, or at the very least artful; even if you don't think it's art; because if you like it, at all, it can conceived that someone could think that it's art.


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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19245981 - 12/08/13 04:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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, structural carpentry is just engineering and execution.?




thats an art dumbfuck.

An the finished product is a work of art

you should really consider it.  Its a profound and enlightening ealization to become aware of your art and your lifes work not to mention the greater potential and self empowerment such a realization brings to yourself.


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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19245984 - 12/08/13 04:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Somebody tried to make the point that carpentry is art.  It isn't.  Even if there is such a thing as art, structural carpentry is just engineering and execution.  Are the people who work to put Boeing jets together artists?



some might think the Boeing jet is a work of art. no one is talking about artists... you just can't grasp the concept here... it's not about who made it... it's about who thinks one thing or another is art.

ever heard of Duchamp? (i don't why i bother but i'll try)



this is art^

he found a discarded fountain, and called it art, hence it's art.

that's how art works, which is seemingly very contradictory to your beliefs. sorry.


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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: Shins]
    #19245989 - 12/08/13 04:38 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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, structural carpentry is just engineering and execution.?




thats an art dumbfuck.

An the finished product is a work of art

you should really consider it.  Its a profound and enlightening ealization to become aware of your art and your lifes work not to mention the greater potential and self empowerment such a realization brings to yourself.



he'd rather that art just not exist, so he can continue being "the best"; so everything can be an engineered mechanical (and structurally sound) mess. :facepalm:@Zappa this is the same guy (and only guy apparently) on here that likes GG, but... he can't grasp the concept of art. why... why world? why?


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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #19245997 - 12/08/13 04:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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It seems that most people don't get it. They think it's either good or bad. No analysis, nothing.

When you look at a painting, do you "feel" what the artist was doing?

When you watch figure skating, do you understand the story the skater is acting?

When you listen to a symphony, do you grasp the deeper sense of it?


Most people are clueless. It always seems like you need refined taste. Is it another level of intelligence you think? The ability to grasp the higher sense of art?




I know plenty of stupid artists, I don't think an appreciation of art works like that at all.  You are doing a good job making yourself look pompous though.


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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19245998 - 12/08/13 04:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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It surely hss meaning, profound meaning to those wise and intelligent enough to perceive.  I'm just sorry you aren't one of them.



he's just mad, cause in his world view, he's always right; hence WHY he's a carpenter.

he builds, and doesn't contribute to any art; becasue art doesn't exist, but existence of the word proves the existence of the concept, but only... NOT FOR HIM. :rolleyes: even if he thinks his opinion of art not existing, applies to everyone else. he's being ludicrous.



Please tell me exactly what art is.






I will attempt.

Broadly speaking art is the changing of reality, more specifically it is the intentional changing of reality.


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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: Shins]
    #19245999 - 12/08/13 04:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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But he's not an architect, he's a carpenter. I'm not sure he's trying at all to say architecture isn't art, rather that he is not an artist because he merely executes the visions of others. I would agree with him if that's the case.

Hey, I do agree wit him.





Wow ill chalk you up as lacking the wisdom too.



Well that seems a bit over the top. Because I disagree with you about what makes something art or someone an artist I lack wisdom? I don't see why you're being so defensive about this yet so insulting to those who disagree with you.
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Shins said:jewunit I thought you were into kabala or are you just playing dumb because you think it makes you part of an exclusive community?



Uhh, no. What?


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Re: Does it take a higher level of intelligence to understand art? [Re: jewunit]
    #19246011 - 12/08/13 04:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

he's mad for everyone being the same way all the time, and he's just sick of it. his posting style has changed drastically, and has been made a cynical ass (no offence) because of the repeated insults of people.

plus, i just showed Zaphow art works. read above. it's not about the artist... it's NEVER about the artist (again why..., back to the point of the OP [fucker] art isn't intellectual; or at least, it certainly doesn't have to be. period)

it's not about the artist. it's about what someone (anyone) can find as aesthetically pleasing. that is the definition of art.


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